Possible New Version Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Optimus Prime in 2019
Thursday, February 22nd, 2018 4:58AM CST
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In the image below, we can see differences in the shoulder and ab grill compared to the previous figure, of which we've also included an image below for comparison. Check it out, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub discussion!
Coming to Transformers 35th Anniversary.
There's new design plan reveal Masterpiece Optimus Prime, shoulder and core pack are updated and new. Is there a possibility of seeing MP Optimus Prime 3.0?
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Posted by SpikeyTigertron on February 22nd, 2018 @ 5:29am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on February 22nd, 2018 @ 5:31am CST
Posted by Cyberpath on February 22nd, 2018 @ 6:57am CST
If this this is indeed Convoy v3 it's probably done to make him even more compatible with MP-36 Megatron in terms of likeness to the animated character as well as pushing the articulation further. (And this character sells nicely, no?)
Posted by Emerje on February 22nd, 2018 @ 6:58am CST
Can't wait!
Emerje
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 7:24am CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on February 22nd, 2018 @ 7:32am CST
Posted by Cyberpath on February 22nd, 2018 @ 7:41am CST
Emerje wrote:Well then, that confirms a new animated style Optimus Prime that we've been theorizing for a few years. The stacks coming down to his elbows gives it away for sure.
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Can't wait!
Emerje
That's also a toy-accurate thing. But yeah, it definitely has Sunbow esthetics.
If this is for real, then I hope that for his head/face sculpt Takara would use the specific TOEI Animation art-style from episodes such as --
Autobot Spike / The Immobilizer / Day of the Machines / The Quest for Survival / Dinobot Island, part 2 / etc.
It's what I wanted for an MP Megatron and I got it.
I'm most looking forward to having a Prime figure that can finally store all his wheels. It would be neat if they take inspiration from the transformation sequence from Dinobot Island, part 2...
It features a similar mechanism to MP-22' boots (one panel has "truck wheels" the other "robot" wheels -- Prime would have one of them with zero wheels.)
Posted by Rated X on February 22nd, 2018 @ 7:42am CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 7:48am CST
Rated X wrote:Petty ass changes. Who cares about the smoke stacks enough to drop another $150 ??? Stop milking the cartoon accurate cow with petty changes. (like this recent wave of MP repaints with all spark blue painted windows) Get to work on some real MP stuff like doing Blitzwing, Astrotrain, and Reflecto, then blow us all away with an MP Devastator. At least you can actually finish the season 1-2 Decepticons without worrying about licensing. Do it !!!
It looks like they're shrinking his abdomen, from a rectangular grill to a square one, that would likely mean it's an entirely new mold, but I agree with the sentiment
Posted by Relic0037 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 8:19am CST
Posted by shocksound96 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 10:31am CST
Posted by Evil Eye on February 22nd, 2018 @ 10:46am CST
The problem is, of course, that somewhere along the line Takara must have forgotten where their brains were and changed the MP mission statement from "The best possible toys of the characters" to "MAKE IT EXACTLY LIKE THE ON-SCREEN DEPICTION". Hence the move from idealized, more detailed designs to literal interpretations of the bland character models, chronic overengineering, and really weird choices like using grey instead of silver and making changes to the decos of perfectly good figures that make their vehicle modes less accurate.
Posted by Sigma Magnus on February 22nd, 2018 @ 11:16am CST
Posted by NTESHFT on February 22nd, 2018 @ 11:17am CST
Posted by Mindmaster on February 22nd, 2018 @ 2:13pm CST
Posted by Relic0037 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 2:27pm CST
NTESHFT wrote:If this is true, I'm gonna swoop him up. My MP 10 I have now has an issue.....in bot mode, his chest wont close all the way up. It's got something to do with the bumper/ matrix holder. It will close up in truck mode though.
I have a similar issue. My MP-10's chest closes almost all of the way, but doesn't quite stay shut. My 10B Nemesis Prime doesn't seem to have that problem. I don't keep a Matrix in the chest of either one, so that has nothing to do with it.
Despite all this, I probably won't get a new version of Optimus, unless Takara can do something to blow me away:
Posted by Relic0037 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 2:31pm CST
Mindmaster wrote:I’m fine with MP-10. If they’re revisiting previous characters, I’d rather see a better Rodimus Prime than a cartoon-accurate Optimus.
Agreed. Now that we got a Masterpiece that is just Hot Rod, it would be nice for them to go back & redo Rodimus without having to force in that extra mode.
Posted by shajaki on February 22nd, 2018 @ 4:40pm CST
What I don't get is how people can look at MP-10 and not see that it can't be improved upon. He is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but imagine if he were even better. More cartoon styled (to fit with 36), better posability, and maybe a better looking truck mode? Why not?
And to those who are happy with their MP-10's, don't buy it. Won't hurt you none.
Posted by Evil Eye on February 22nd, 2018 @ 5:15pm CST
MP-10 could maybe be improved on a bit, but let's be real, the 3.0 won't be an improvement. It'll be lacking detail, be over-complicated, look hideously ugly from any angle other than straight on, take the cartoon literalism way too far, give him dull grey instead of silver, have badly drawn Autobot insignias and will cost a fortune. And that's assuming it doesn't break.
Posted by Relic0037 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 5:45pm CST
shajaki wrote:I'm not shocked or distraught over this, it was an eventuality. Though I wouldn't have bet so soon.
What I don't get is how people can look at MP-10 and not see that it can't be improved upon. He is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but imagine if he were even better. More cartoon styled (to fit with 36), better posability, and maybe a better looking truck mode? Why not?
And to those who are happy with their MP-10's, don't buy it. Won't hurt you none.
I think some of the fans that have responded negatively on this forum would rather have Takara devote their resources to giving us new figures featuring new characters (Jazz, Hound, Blaster, etc) or revisit Masterpieces that were really terrible like Rodimus Prime, rather than redoing characters like Optimus that came out pretty good the first time.
I'm not sure that any Masterpiece has been 100% percent perfect, but many of them were close enough. I really like my Soundwave, but I don't like the fact that his index fingers love to pop off & some cassettes seem to get jammed up inside his chest. These problems aren't enough to make me want to purchase a new version of him.
The best reason for these new versions of previously visited bots is for fans new to the Masterpiece line to have more options. Hopefully, that doesn't come at the cost of other Transformers that the fans have had on their wish lists for years.
Posted by megatronus on February 22nd, 2018 @ 6:09pm CST
Black Hat wrote:Blather & dribble, trolling & spittle.
Do you even have any of the Masterpieces you've trashed so confidently?
Posted by Acesmcgee on February 22nd, 2018 @ 6:19pm CST
Posted by steals_your_goats on February 22nd, 2018 @ 6:19pm CST
On one hand I'm interested to see how they can improve on the already great MP-10. Real grill abs, wheels that fold in, maybe less dead eyes and a slightly better truck mode?
On the other hand I'm trying to go for a complete post MP-10 collection and this new Optimus throws a wrench into everything. I don't need 2 Optimus primes so what do I do? Get rid of Mp-10? That throws off my entire collection and makes me start at Mp-11. But then what happens when they reboot the seeker mold? I replace 11 and the repaints with the new ones and now I'm starting at 12. And if I decide to skip the new ones that leaves holes in the collection. What to do, what to do.
Posted by Evil Eye on February 22nd, 2018 @ 6:28pm CST
megatronus wrote:Black Hat wrote:Blather & dribble, trolling & spittle.
Do you even have any of the Masterpieces you've trashed so confidently?
Well, you got me there. I can't say I have actual hands-on experience, no. Most of my complaints admittedly come from (highly subjective) aesthetic qualms- any commentary on actual physical qualities comes from either observation (MP-36 is DEFINITELY one hell of a complex beastie) or in-hand reports, mostly from Seibertron itself actually. But no, in answer to your question I don't actually possess these figures myself.
I dunno. There's something about these newer MPs that just doesn't quite sit right with me. Some still look "right" (Hot Rod and Grapple for example, which is odd as Inferno I find rather bland) but a lot of the more recent outings, whilst certainly impressive from an engineering standpoint and not without merit, just seem...off somehow. I get I'm in the minority here and I mean nobody any disrespect, but I'd be lying if I said I was 100% on-board with the sudden shift in direction Takara have taken with the MP line.
Now, with Prime himself, because he's a comparatively easy one to do (He's a rectangular-featured robot dude who turns into a boxy freight truck) a theoretical new MP shouldn't be as complex as Megatron, whose mere concept necessitates a lot of complex engineering. So hopefully he'll turn out well.
I will say though, if we don't get a "one last hurrah" redeco/retool of MP-10 done like the initial G2 Prime release (complete with missile launchers, soundbox and lettering on the trailer) I will be mildly perturbed.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on February 22nd, 2018 @ 8:39pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 22nd, 2018 @ 9:41pm CST
SpikeyTigertron wrote:Other than the 7-11 exclusive.... have we gotten Magnus white redeco of MP-10 yet?
We have not.
Posted by Cyberpath on February 23rd, 2018 @ 2:50am CST
Relic0037 wrote:NTESHFT wrote:If this is true, I'm gonna swoop him up. My MP 10 I have now has an issue.....in bot mode, his chest wont close all the way up. It's got something to do with the bumper/ matrix holder. It will close up in truck mode though.
I have a similar issue. My MP-10's chest closes almost all of the way, but doesn't quite stay shut. My 10B Nemesis Prime doesn't seem to have that problem. I don't keep a Matrix in the chest of either one, so that has nothing to do with it.
Despite all this, I probably won't get a new version of Optimus, unless Takara can do something to blow me away:
Try pushing in the top of the robot grill as much as you can. It will create a small gap between his behind and back but the windows will stay closed.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 28th, 2018 @ 6:35am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on February 28th, 2018 @ 8:05am CST
Because then that wouldn't be Convoy, it would be MP Super Ginrai.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not just bring out MP Powermaster Prime, that being the last G1 Prime design, instead of repeating an earlier edition? It's not like MP-10 is hard to come by, anywhere...
The last G1 Convoy design for Japan was Star Convoy.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 28th, 2018 @ 8:08am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Because then that wouldn't be Convoy, it would be MP Super Ginrai.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not just bring out MP Powermaster Prime, that being the last G1 Prime design, instead of repeating an earlier edition? It's not like MP-10 is hard to come by, anywhere...
The last G1 Convoy design for Japan was Star Convoy.
That said, the G1 comic used the Powermaster design for Prime himself. Albeit an extremely downsized version.
Posted by Sabrblade on February 28th, 2018 @ 8:11am CST
That doesn't matter to Japan. The cartoons were the dominate continuity over there.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Because then that wouldn't be Convoy, it would be MP Super Ginrai.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not just bring out MP Powermaster Prime, that being the last G1 Prime design, instead of repeating an earlier edition? It's not like MP-10 is hard to come by, anywhere...
The last G1 Convoy design for Japan was Star Convoy.
That said, the G1 comic used the Powermaster design for Prime himself. Albeit an extremely downsized version.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 28th, 2018 @ 8:18am CST
Posted by william-james88 on February 28th, 2018 @ 8:29am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 28th, 2018 @ 8:34am CST
william-james88 wrote:MPs have to sell. Another MP Convoy is sure to sell and unlike other figures, they have a good basis to improve upon (just like MP10 compared to MP 01), which helps alleviate design costs I am sure.
Indeed. Likewise by potentially withholding MP Powermaster Prime until they are into The Takara Series releases, they will guarantee at least one top seller among the line.
It's a shame they are avoiding MP Gestalts, as I'm sure there is a MP Motormaster retool within this refining Prime mold.
As an aside I am considering a Prime for my brother for Christmas this year, is MP-10 the one I should go for?
Posted by william-james88 on February 28th, 2018 @ 10:28am CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As an aside I am considering a Prime for my brother for Christmas this year, is MP-10 the one I should go for?
He is a great toy. It all depends on your budget. I made a list of the best Primes out there (for now)
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/34002/
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 28th, 2018 @ 1:13pm CST
william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As an aside I am considering a Prime for my brother for Christmas this year, is MP-10 the one I should go for?
He is a great toy. It all depends on your budget. I made a list of the best Primes out there (for now)
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/34002/
Thanks. Just checked through the list. MP-10 it is
As an exclusive collector of the MP line (and newest edition City Bots) 'Budget' isn't a word that applies in my lexicon.
Posted by Emerje on February 28th, 2018 @ 3:30pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's a shame they are avoiding MP Gestalts, as I'm sure there is a MP Motormaster retool within this refining Prime mold.
It would be impossible to make a Motormaster out of Prime since MM is basically a transforming trailer with truck feet. The way Takara Tomy does scale and accuracy a MP MM would likely be the same size as Combiner Wars Devastator so that the truck modes would be in scale. This is why they aren't doing MP Combiners. There are some scale things they don't mind messing with in alt mode like Bumblebee (tiny VW Beetle), but most combiners would be hard for them to overlook.
There is a possibility of MP Ginrai/PM Prime happening eventually since he's still an Autobot leader and in the fan poll that got us Star Saber he came in third place. Fans have surely been heard and I don't think Legends Super Ginrai is going to hold fans over forever.
Emerje
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on February 28th, 2018 @ 3:37pm CST
The altmode scaling (much like those that don't accept Mass Displacement) is something I really don't get.
For example, Motormaster isn't a regular truck that transforms into a robot. He is an Alien robot that uses the imprint of an Earth vehicle (truck) to disguise his Robot body. They are not supposed to be exactly replicated real vehicles, they are merely supposed to look the part. So trying to scale them to their real life counterparts is meaningless.
Posted by Emerje on February 28th, 2018 @ 3:59pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To be fair, I think Takara are going more for Bot Mode scale accuracy than altmode, hence tiny VW Beetle.
The altmode scaling (much like those that don't accept Mass Displacement) is something I really don't get.
For example, Motormaster isn't a regular truck that transforms into a robot. He is an Alien robot that uses the imprint of an Earth vehicle (truck) to disguise his Robot body. They are not supposed to be exactly replicated real vehicles, they are merely supposed to look the part. So trying to scale them to their real life counterparts is meaningless.
They allow for a small margin of scale differences in the vehicle modes in Masterpiece, but they definitely would not allow a super small truck that's the same style as Optimus Prime just so the bot modes would be of similar size. That sort of thing is left to Generations, it's impossible in Masterpiece. Best you can hope for is Hasbro someday making a cartoon style Generations Leader class Motormaster in the distant future.
Emerje
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 1st, 2018 @ 8:02am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on March 1st, 2018 @ 8:36am CST
Dai Atlas, Autobot Supreme Commander and Powered Master, from 1990's Transformers: Zone. Successor of Star Saber and predecessor of Sky Garry (temporarily) and Star Convoy.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:As an aside, in the fan poll list, who is number 4? The only one I don't recognise on sight...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 1st, 2018 @ 8:52am CST
Posted by Relic0037 on March 1st, 2018 @ 5:11pm CST
Emerje wrote:There is a possibility of MP Ginrai/PM Prime happening eventually since he's still an Autobot leader and in the fan poll that got us Star Saber he came in third place. Fans have surely been heard and I don't think Legends Super Ginrai is going to hold fans over forever.
Emerje
Never mind the fact that he came in dead last in the poll, it still seems hard to believe there was a chance we could have seen a Masterpiece Fort Max. I wonder how they planned on pulling that off & how much he would have cost. I imagine he would have had to be around the size of Titans Return/Takara Legends Fort Max.
Posted by william-james88 on March 1st, 2018 @ 5:40pm CST
Posted by Emerje on March 1st, 2018 @ 6:00pm CST
william-james88 wrote:I cannot believe they voted for a masterpiece energon prime over a masterpiece fortress maximus
Chalk that up to bad timing. It was late 2013 and Encore Fort Max JUST came out back in March for $300. I think people were both content with their reissue and fearful of what such a thing would cost.
I'm curious how an updated poll removing Star Saber and Optimus Primal would turn out. Would Armada Prime take the number 1 spot? Would the recent reimagining of God Ginrai and Fort Max or the upcoming Encore God Fire Convoy effect their positions? Would Leo Convoy and Big Convoy rank higher because of the MP Beast Wars lineup? I really want to know!
Emerje
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 2nd, 2018 @ 9:53am CST
william-james88 wrote:I cannot believe they voted for a masterpiece energon prime over a masterpiece fortress maximus
I can only imagine Japan must have some attachment to the Unicron Trilogy, that I at least, never did.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 2nd, 2018 @ 9:55am CST
Posted by william-james88 on March 2nd, 2018 @ 10:27am CST
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:So, since MP-40 is now out in the wild, how long until we get the announcement for MP-42? I imagine it must be soon, considering I think we knew about Dinobot around the time MP-38 was hitting everyone and everyone was gearing up for Sunstreaker
Well, after MP 40 and 41 we have all the redecos which wont use up a new number, like Prowl and Shadow Panther. So we do have the next 3 releases revealed already
Posted by Emerje on March 2nd, 2018 @ 10:11pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet who would replace Primal and Star Saber in the poll?
Why replace them? Fewer options mean better chances for the rest. If they did replace them I would guess they could do Transmetal Optimus Primal (wouldn't be much different from the original, just bigger and with articulated hands).
Emerje
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 3rd, 2018 @ 9:11am CST