Original Beast Wars Optimus Primal, Megatron, Cheetor and Rattrap Reissues Revealed

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Zeedust wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:And I thought Transmetal Rattrap being used for BW 10th instead of the original Basic was nothing more than logistics, really. Putting a Basic figure in a line set as "Deluxe only", yeah no.

Yeah, that was my assumption as well.

They pulled the original Terrorsaur mold out of mothballs for use in AoE, so we know at least one of the first-wave basic-class BW molds was available for use in a 2014 toyline. The BW 10th anniversary toyline was 2006. I'm skeptical about the idea that Rattrap's mold was unusable by then when Terrosaur's, which got reused far more, was still good 8 years later.

Yeah, the Terrorsaur mold showing up in AOE came as a shock to everyone, as it too was believed to have been lost like the Rattrap, Insecticon, and Armordillo molds.

Wait, what? I just had to check this and wow. That has got to be the most random redeco ever. A 20 year old mold used as something in a main toyline...

It wasn't a main toyline.

It was a Walmart exclusive to be exact, packaged with a RotF Legion Bumblebee. And well, dinos sell, so any available was used. Look at Grimlock, he got Prime Legion Rippersnapper (multiple times!), FoC Grimlock and Energon Cruellock(!) used.

Actually, the BW springloaded Basics may not be lost, but undesireable to be used due some of the mechanisms, the (supposed) force necessary to trigger them and how little fingers can get stuck inside them. I have Iguanus, Armordillo and BW Neo Hydra within reach and I can see kids getting their fingers hurt. Compare them to the current One-Step Changers, you'll see what I mean

Dead Metal wrote:So the wiki got it wrong when it states that it's an AOE release? Ok.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:So the wiki got it wrong when it states that it's an AOE release? Ok.

What are you talking about? It was released in AOE. Just not in the main toyline, but in a Walmart-exclusive AOE subline. That's what Will and JelZe meant.

Evil Eye wrote:I was hoping we might be getting Transmetal reissues, given the originals are amazing toys (mostly) and that they'd be sufficiently different from the Kingdom stuff for people to justify buying both. As it stands, this seems...poorly thought out, given that there are now better figures of the same designs available (particularly egregious with Rattrap, whose Core is much cheaper than this reissue).

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I was hoping we might be getting Transmetal reissues, given the originals are amazing toys (mostly) and that they'd be sufficiently different from the Kingdom stuff for people to justify buying both. As it stands, this seems...poorly thought out, given that there are now better figures of the same designs available (particularly egregious with Rattrap, whose Core is much cheaper than this reissue).

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. I already have all the Kingdom toys available (sans Megatron because my retailer keeps delaying his release), and I'll still be buying these simply for the sake of my inner 11 year old, lol.

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:I was hoping we might be getting Transmetal reissues, given the originals are amazing toys (mostly) and that they'd be sufficiently different from the Kingdom stuff for people to justify buying both. As it stands, this seems...poorly thought out, given that there are now better figures of the same designs available (particularly egregious with Rattrap, whose Core is much cheaper than this reissue).

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. I already have all the Kingdom toys available (sans Megatron because my retailer keeps delaying his release), and I'll still be buying these simply for the sake of my inner 11 year old, lol.

The thing is, this is Hasbro competing with itself since every one of these reissues so far completely overlap with the Kingdom offerings 100%.

By contrast, the Transmetals would have offered something ufficiently different, giving people good reason to buy from both lines, while also still capitalizing on people's nostalgia. As is, these are just more expensive alternatives to the Kingdom figures.

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:these being the exact figures I had in my hands as an 11 year old kid

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:these being the exact figures I had in my hands as an 11 year old kid

With different or less paint, though.

Primal's missing all the red on his chestplate, for instance.

Same with all the silver missing from Megatron's helmet.

Sabrblade wrote:The thing is, this is Hasbro competing with itself since every one of these reissues so far completely overlap with the Kingdom offerings 100%.

Sabrblade wrote:

TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:these being the exact figures I had in my hands as an 11 year old kid

With different or less paint, though.

Primal's missing all the red on his chestplate, for instance.

Same with all the silver missing from Megatron's helmet.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The thing is, this is Hasbro competing with itself since every one of these reissues so far completely overlap with the Kingdom offerings 100%.

The Soundwave reissue overlapped, as did Starscream and Optimus Prime.

william-james88 wrote:Well it looks like some rumours were wrong. We are getting reissues from the Beast Wars era but they are not transmetals, they are the original toys from 1996. And they seem to be original through and through with the original headsculpts and original packaging too, which will be amazing to see in stores. My fondest toysrus memory is seeing all these beast wars toys on pegs covering an end display and this definitely brings me back. With these being reissues and part of Walmart's collector con on 3/15, it's a smart bet that these are Walmart exclusives. The colours are slightly different than the original releases though. The deluxes will be $19.99 and the Leaders will be $39.99, no word yet on Rattrap. Check out Rattap, Cheetor, Optimus Primal and Megatron below! Here is where this story was first posted: https://www.ign.com/articles/new-transf ... lease-date

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The thing is, this is Hasbro competing with itself since every one of these reissues so far completely overlap with the Kingdom offerings 100%.

The Soundwave reissue overlapped, as did Starscream and Optimus Prime.

Not when they all had sufficiently different altmode designs and engineering from the contemporary Siege toys.

Plus, let's not kid ourselves, here. The G1 toys are worlds more different from the Generations toys of today compared to the original Beast Wars molds that have much of the same quality and spirit as today's Generations toys.

Dead Metal wrote:It doesn't really matter. Beast Wars is now 25 years old. Reissues were a no brainer. And as pointed out there are plenty of G1 reissues that get released alongside modern incarnations.
These appeal to people like me who grew up with Beast Wars.

The modernised ones grab your attention, and then the nostalgia attack of these will hit you in the face and pull you in.

I hope these will also get oldschool European packaging, gotta love yourself some Bio Combat.

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:It doesn't really matter. Beast Wars is now 25 years old. Reissues were a no brainer. And as pointed out there are plenty of G1 reissues that get released alongside modern incarnations.
These appeal to people like me who grew up with Beast Wars.

The modernised ones grab your attention, and then the nostalgia attack of these will hit you in the face and pull you in.

I hope these will also get oldschool European packaging, gotta love yourself some Bio Combat.

That is not what we were talking about. I've nothing against the idea of BW reissues. I'm a BW kid. Heck, look at my Maximal avatar and faction.

What we were discussing was the validity of whether or not the Transmetals would have been a better option for the BW reissues. I argue they would since they wouldn't have been as redundant as the Season 1 toys when compared to the offerings of the Kingdom line, and would have even finally given us a GPS-free Transmetal Megatron, something that people who were never able to get the 1999 GPS-free Takara version have been wanting for years.

Dead Metal wrote:It makes more sense like this. 25 anniversary of the original line, so we get updates and reissues.

Dead Metal wrote:This year we can get a Classics Optimus Primal, a reisdyof the original and I believe the MP was also reissued.

Mever got an original Primal, so I'm stocked to get another chance.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The chosen reissues are completely redundant. Megs and Cheetor couldn't be anymore inferior to the Kingdom ones. Meanwhile, although classic Gorilla Primal was one of the best of the original line. To have either the Kingdom one or the MP, you're frankly wasting your money on him.

Sabrblade wrote:Plus, let's not kid ourselves, here. The G1 toys are worlds more different from the Generations toys of today compared to the original Beast Wars molds that have much of the same quality and spirit as today's Generations toys.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Whereas these guys getting reissues would be infinitely more appealing to the collectors they are trying to reach.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Barney Megatron is a bad figure. Arguably the worst Predacon design of the original line. Mostly due to his gimmick and bizarre colour palette. The fact that the Kingdom one has two actual arms, makes him better by default.

The chosen '96 figures only really hold up with nostalgia goggles on. The ones from that initial line that still genuinely impress were unfortunately not show characters.

Just reusing the same Primal visual design they have been churning out again since PoTP, is both lazy and far too safe. Since they are already using the Season One designs again in Kingdom. There is nothing special about them to mark the anniversary by showing the same things. Two and a half decades removed.

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Whereas these guys getting reissues would be infinitely more appealing to the collectors they are trying to reach.

Overcracker wrote:While I agree Transmetal Re-issues would have been great.

Its the 25th anniversary of the Beast wars launch. Re-issuing figures from 2 years into the Beast wars line, seems unlikely.

Maybe in 2023 for the Transmetal 25th anniversary.

blackeyedprime wrote:Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun,

Sabrblade wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun,

Note that the original Cheetor uses 3mm fist holes and pegs, Kingdom Cheetor has 5mm so he can't hold the original's weapons.

Overcracker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Cheetor might sell just for those who want his gun,

Note that the original Cheetor uses 3mm fist holes and pegs, Kingdom Cheetor has 5mm so he can't hold the original's weapons.

Yup. Kingdom Cheetor can't hold those guns.

He can however hold Masterpiece Cheetor's tail gun quite well.

GrangerPerry wrote:Or a states release for the first time of ravage would be nice

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Barney Megatron is a bad figure. Arguably the worst Predacon design of the original line.

Dragma Kerp wrote:I hope those reissues are not walmart exclusive T_T

Sabrblade wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:Or a states release for the first time of ravage would be nice

Unfortunately, back during the 10th Anniversary line, Hasbro went looking for that mold and either couldn't find it or it was lost beyond recovery.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:Or a states release for the first time of ravage would be nice

Unfortunately, back during the 10th Anniversary line, Hasbro went looking for that mold and either couldn't find it or it was lost beyond recovery.

I hear that but no one ever presents evidence of this. Was that said in an interview or at a show somewhere? I thought they didn't put Rattrap because he didn't fit the price point.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:Or a states release for the first time of ravage would be nice

Unfortunately, back during the 10th Anniversary line, Hasbro went looking for that mold and either couldn't find it or it was lost beyond recovery.

I hear that but no one ever presents evidence of this. Was that said in an interview or at a show somewhere? I thought they didn't put Rattrap because he didn't fit the price point.

I heard about Ravage second-hand.