Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall
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Beast Wars fans are in for a treat later this fall with the impending release of MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow, known as Blackarachnia to most western fans. Recent trade show sightings have fans in awe of her screen-accurate robot mode, while seemingly leaving a lot to be desired of the beast mode. Forum member Sabrblade has made us aware that Takara Tomy Mall now has a listing up for MP-46 along with 9 new photos to show off both robot and beast mode in conjunction with some of the included accessories, like the energy spider web and base, her signature crossbow weapon, a visor Blackarachnia used on the original show, and even an alternate facial expression. Surprising no one, MP-46 seems to be exceptionally poseable, the recent norm for the Masterpiece series in general. Masterpiece Blackwidow/Blackarachnia is priced at 16,200 Yen on Takara Tomy Mall and schedule to be released in "Late November 2019." Take a look for yourselves below at these new pictures of infamous femme fatale of the Beast Wars series.
What do these latest images make you think of the latest Masterpiece offering for the Beast Wars series of Transformers history? Have the new pictures of a seemingly more correctly transformed beast mode changed your mind on the overall quality of the figure? Let us know in the comments below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest news on all things Transformers!
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Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021443)
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:16pm CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:16pm CDT
16200 yen = $147.79. They can get the fuck out of here with that price.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021444)
Posted by Malicron on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:22pm CDT
Posted by Malicron on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:22pm CDT
Man, they really didn't try at all when it came to the beast mode, did they?
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021445)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:28pm CDT
Indeed. So much for thinking there was mistransformation with the previous images
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:28pm CDT
Malicron wrote:Man, they really didn't try at all when it came to the beast mode, did they?
Indeed. So much for thinking there was mistransformation with the previous images
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021447)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:38pm CDT
There was some mistransformation, but as I wrote, it was never gonna be enough to change people's minds over paying $130-$150 for this.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:38pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Malicron wrote:Man, they really didn't try at all when it came to the beast mode, did they?
Indeed. So much for thinking there was mistransformation with the previous images
There was some mistransformation, but as I wrote, it was never gonna be enough to change people's minds over paying $130-$150 for this.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021449)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:42pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:42pm CDT
The thing that irritates me, it's not the price. It is the fact that I accept imperfect Beast Modes with the Maximals. They were mostly shellformers anyway. The Predacon bug modes, however were not. If they could achieve that way back in 1996/7/8, it is unacceptable to leave most of her gold legs visible on what should be a solid black abdomen. All it would take is some little black panels, stored discreetly within the backpack. They couldn't even bother to do that...
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021452)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:51pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:51pm CDT
Thing is, Blackarachnia didn't have any backpack in the show. Her back was lean and skinny.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021453)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CDT
I am with you on the dissapointment and I know where you are coming from but I do take issue with the text I bolded. It's apple and oranges because the toys came first back then. So of course it was fine. But then the character designer based her model on a stripper and made the character look nothing like the toy.
Now, we are basing the toy on the show model, which we can all agree is a rather peculiar one.
The better comparison, if you want to make one would be how different the toy looks to the show model between then and now. This toy is inifitely better in that respect.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote: If they could achieve that way back in 1996/7/8, it is unacceptable to leave most of her gold legs visible on what should be a solid black abdomen.
I am with you on the dissapointment and I know where you are coming from but I do take issue with the text I bolded. It's apple and oranges because the toys came first back then. So of course it was fine. But then the character designer based her model on a stripper and made the character look nothing like the toy.
Now, we are basing the toy on the show model, which we can all agree is a rather peculiar one.
The better comparison, if you want to make one would be how different the toy looks to the show model between then and now. This toy is inifitely better in that respect.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021454)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CDT
So was Dinobot's. I was specifically talking about the mini backpack on the MP figure. The numerous mini panels that Megatron's backpack stores, show that they have the know-how to do it, but chose not to.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, Blackarachnia didn't have any backpack in the show. Her back was lean and skinny.
So was Dinobot's. I was specifically talking about the mini backpack on the MP figure. The numerous mini panels that Megatron's backpack stores, show that they have the know-how to do it, but chose not to.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021456)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:56pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:56pm CDT
Dinobot wasn't a stick in the show. He had muscle and bulk. BA's back curved inward, even.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, Blackarachnia didn't have any backpack in the show. Her back was lean and skinny.
So was Dinobot's.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021458)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:57pm CDT
I was generalising the difference in aesthetic in Beast Modes, back then. Less so for individual characters. There was always some "cheetor" visible in his Beast Mode, as with the rest of the Maximals. Waspinator, Scorponok, Tarantulas etc Typically their bot legs were only visible if you turned the toy upside down.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:57pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote: If they could achieve that way back in 1996/7/8, it is unacceptable to leave most of her gold legs visible on what should be a solid black abdomen.
I am with you on the dissapointment and I know where you are coming from but I do take issue with the text I bolded. It's apple and oranges because the toys came first back then. So of course it was fine. But then the character designer based her model on a stripper and made the character look nothing like the toy.
Now, we are basing the toy on the show model, which we can all agree is a rather peculiar one.
The better comparison, if you want to make one would be hod different the toy looks to the show model between then and now. This toy is inifitely better in that respect.
I was generalising the difference in aesthetic in Beast Modes, back then. Less so for individual characters. There was always some "cheetor" visible in his Beast Mode, as with the rest of the Maximals. Waspinator, Scorponok, Tarantulas etc Typically their bot legs were only visible if you turned the toy upside down.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021459)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CDT
True..
But it didn't look like that in the show either.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Dinobot wasn't a stick in the show. He had muscle and bulk. BA's back curved inward, even.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Thing is, Blackarachnia didn't have any backpack in the show. Her back was lean and skinny.
So was Dinobot's.
True..
But it didn't look like that in the show either.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021461)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:00pm CDT
Posted by Black Bumblebee on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:00pm CDT
Maybe the toy should have just come with a black balloon to put her back in spider mode, as that's pretty much all it was--a big, black, circle with a red hour glass.
Don't get me wrong, I love the bot mode on Blackarachnia, and I'm sure that she will have great possibility. But this is supposed to be a Masterpiece figure. If they couldn't engineer her properly to look like how she looked on the show... then they probably should have just put out a robot mode action figure and done an MP figure of someone else.
As it stands, I think that the Takara recolor of Animated Blackarachnia works better
Don't get me wrong, I love the bot mode on Blackarachnia, and I'm sure that she will have great possibility. But this is supposed to be a Masterpiece figure. If they couldn't engineer her properly to look like how she looked on the show... then they probably should have just put out a robot mode action figure and done an MP figure of someone else.
As it stands, I think that the Takara recolor of Animated Blackarachnia works better
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021462)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:02pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:02pm CDT
I think, as it stands, her Beast Mode makes her potentially the weakest of the MP Beast Wars designs so far. Including Shadow Panther, that isn't even a Panther...
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021463)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:02pm CDT
So what? Are you saying you would rather have that and compromise the robot mode? I dont understand what you are complaining about. Those original toys still exist if this one isn't doing it for you.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:02pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Waspinator, Scorponok, Tarantulas etc Typically their bot legs were only visible if you turned the toy upside down.
So what? Are you saying you would rather have that and compromise the robot mode? I dont understand what you are complaining about. Those original toys still exist if this one isn't doing it for you.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021464)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:06pm CDT
But there is no such thing as a panther species, it's just a toy deco homage.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:06pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, as it stands, her Beast Mode makes her potentially the weakest of the MP Beast Wars designs so far. Including Shadow Panther, that isn't even a Panther...
But there is no such thing as a panther species, it's just a toy deco homage.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021465)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CDT
When sat on your desk, they were designed to form a seamless Beast Mode. Everything pegged in to form a uniform alt-mode.
Maybe a G1 example would make it a bit clearer the point (not "complaint") I am making. Imagine G1 Prime's cab. Looks like a truck, yes?. Now open the chest, flip his head over and pop his hands out, so they are visible in truck mode. Now, he doesn't look like a believable truck.
The initial mode was the Predacon Beast Modes. The latter example, both the Maximals (initial and MP versions) and now Blackarachnia.
Nor would it have been a "compromise" to make minor panels fold out from the small backpack the MP figure clearly has, to conceal the gold in her legs. Again, Megatron's flush, intergrated backpack says so.
I don't care about the character herself. I've never liked Blackarachnia. The whole sexualized design was quite repellent to me, even back in the day.
I am concerned what her lacklustre Beast Mode says about the future of this line. The figures to come should be the easiest to conceive in fully integrated Beast and Bot modes, this is supposed to be the MP line, after all.
If you wouldn't excuse MP Prowl's legs hanging out of his car mode, don't make excuses for them here.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Waspinator, Scorponok, Tarantulas etc Typically their bot legs were only visible if you turned the toy upside down.
So what? Are you saying you would rather have that and compromise the robot mode? I dont understand what you are complaining about. Those original toys still exist if this one isn't doing it for you.
When sat on your desk, they were designed to form a seamless Beast Mode. Everything pegged in to form a uniform alt-mode.
Maybe a G1 example would make it a bit clearer the point (not "complaint") I am making. Imagine G1 Prime's cab. Looks like a truck, yes?. Now open the chest, flip his head over and pop his hands out, so they are visible in truck mode. Now, he doesn't look like a believable truck.
The initial mode was the Predacon Beast Modes. The latter example, both the Maximals (initial and MP versions) and now Blackarachnia.
Nor would it have been a "compromise" to make minor panels fold out from the small backpack the MP figure clearly has, to conceal the gold in her legs. Again, Megatron's flush, intergrated backpack says so.
I don't care about the character herself. I've never liked Blackarachnia. The whole sexualized design was quite repellent to me, even back in the day.
I am concerned what her lacklustre Beast Mode says about the future of this line. The figures to come should be the easiest to conceive in fully integrated Beast and Bot modes, this is supposed to be the MP line, after all.
If you wouldn't excuse MP Prowl's legs hanging out of his car mode, don't make excuses for them here.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021466)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:27pm CDT
To give the visual discrepancy between a Cheetah and Panther's actual body shape, paralleled by the MP figures.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:27pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, as it stands, her Beast Mode makes her potentially the weakest of the MP Beast Wars designs so far. Including Shadow Panther, that isn't even a Panther...
But there is no such thing as a panther species, it's just a toy deco homage.
To give the visual discrepancy between a Cheetah and Panther's actual body shape, paralleled by the MP figures.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021467)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CDT
How much would you be willing to pay extra for those panels though? To play devil's advocate, they've made her price the way it is for best profit value for them, and share holders. If they thought the price was too high then they wouldn't have set it as that. We consumers want the most bang for our buck, but the businesses want the most profit for the least cost.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021468)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:30pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 2:30pm CDT
However much it took for a finished product. The beast mode says this isn't.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021473)
Posted by sol magnus on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:37pm CDT
A Panther is a black leopard. Not a cheetah.
Posted by sol magnus on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:37pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, as it stands, her Beast Mode makes her potentially the weakest of the MP Beast Wars designs so far. Including Shadow Panther, that isn't even a Panther...
But there is no such thing as a panther species, it's just a toy deco homage.
To give the visual discrepancy between a Cheetah and Panther's actual body shape, paralleled by the MP figures.
A Panther is a black leopard. Not a cheetah.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021474)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:38pm CDT
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:38pm CDT
I feel a lot of folks giving Takara a hard time on this aren’t properly realizing there is *nowhere* else for these bit mode parts to go. Yes the original toy might have “spidered” better.... but it also wasn’t a black widow. If Takara craps the bed with Tarantulas go and be angry. But this Black Archanina is the closest compromise we’re getting for a *transformable* figure.
The fact all these bot modes (and beast modes for the most part) stepped right out of the show should be appreciated. While a lot of the original toys were great toys..... they weren’t 100% show accurate either.
The fact all these bot modes (and beast modes for the most part) stepped right out of the show should be appreciated. While a lot of the original toys were great toys..... they weren’t 100% show accurate either.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021475)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:49pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:49pm CDT
I dunno, that sounds like an apologistic excuse. They can do better. They have the capability, especially in this line. The abdomen should be all black, other than the widow mark. It's not rocket science or a feat beyond MP-36 level wizardry to achieve.
That was the point I was making.
sol magnus wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, as it stands, her Beast Mode makes her potentially the weakest of the MP Beast Wars designs so far. Including Shadow Panther, that isn't even a Panther...
A Panther is a black leopard. Not a cheetah.
That was the point I was making.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021476)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:52pm CDT
Would anyone accept a big backpack in robot mode?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:52pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I dunno, that sounds like an apologistic excuse. They can do better. They have the capability, especially in this line. The abdomen should be all black, other than the widow mark. It's not rocket science or a feat beyond MP-36 level wizardry to achieve.
Would anyone accept a big backpack in robot mode?
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021477)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:57pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:57pm CDT
AllNews argument is that there would be panel folding shenanigans ala beast meg's backpack.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021478)
Posted by Rtron on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:58pm CDT
Posted by Rtron on May 14th, 2019 @ 3:58pm CDT
Honestly, now that I see it properly transforms, the only thing that irks me a bit is the discontinuity between the front of her thorax and her abdomen. The calves poking out isn't that bad to me, as they blend in between the spider legs.
Also, knowing how dificult it is to shuffle engineering, accuracy and budget when designing what is ultimately a luxury item for a huge company, I can't fault the designers at all here, they did a great job. If anything, the quality control flaws on MP BW Megatron is a hundred times more of an issue than this, as those could have been solved through design and, well, quality control. But this beast mode honestly looks like the best possible version for a price under 200 dollars.
Also, knowing how dificult it is to shuffle engineering, accuracy and budget when designing what is ultimately a luxury item for a huge company, I can't fault the designers at all here, they did a great job. If anything, the quality control flaws on MP BW Megatron is a hundred times more of an issue than this, as those could have been solved through design and, well, quality control. But this beast mode honestly looks like the best possible version for a price under 200 dollars.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021483)
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2019 @ 5:01pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on May 14th, 2019 @ 5:01pm CDT
The difference is that Megatron at least had a backpack of beast mode kibble in the show. Blackarachnia did not.ZeroWolf wrote:AllNews argument is that there would be panel folding shenanigans ala beast meg's backpack.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021488)
Posted by Autobot Roadburn on May 14th, 2019 @ 5:23pm CDT
Posted by Autobot Roadburn on May 14th, 2019 @ 5:23pm CDT
Blackarachnia is up on AmiAmi right now for $109 if people are interested. I preordered mine
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021489)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2019 @ 5:25pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2019 @ 5:25pm CDT
Really hoping for a decent price from Amazon JP. The beast mode looks better, but I feel a lot less enthused for this one. Which is weird, cause I like Blackarachnia, and they killed her bot mode, and I love that spider stand.
Dunno, will need to look at her more
Dunno, will need to look at her more
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021501)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:10pm CDT
Posted by Wolfman Jake on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:10pm CDT
I think Masterpiece Blackarachnia is pretty much on par with the other Beast Wars Masterpiece releases so far. Her robot mode is nearly perfect. Her beast mode is still very recognizably the character model from the original show (as opposed to the original toy). It doesn't look any messier in beast mode than Cheetor or Dinobot, who still have a lot of techno kibble and off color parts peeking through from the robot mode into the animal form, not to mention all the blatant holes in the sculpting. Optimus Primal has some of the same issues, though to a lesser extent, which is helped by his overall very dark and consistent color scheme. I think Megatron just has us spoiled, honestly, as his beast mode, save for the unavoidable panel lines, is nearly flawless, hiding most of his robot form while in T-Rex mode. Blackarachnia is a regression to the mean, not a drop in effort or quality. Megatron is a clear outlier in our limited data set.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021505)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:21pm CDT
Dinobot and Megatron are the only 2 I got, so this makes some sense to me
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:21pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Blackarachnia is a regression to the mean, not a drop in effort or quality. Megatron is a clear outlier in our limited data set.
Dinobot and Megatron are the only 2 I got, so this makes some sense to me
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021509)
Posted by Evil Eye on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:38pm CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:38pm CDT
The beast mode, eh, I can take it. It's not great but her onscreen transformation is essentially impossible, and it still at least is immediately recognizable as a spider. And the robot mode is so gorgeous that I can live with it.
I just hope for the pricetag we don't get breakages/QC errors out the wazoo.
I just hope for the pricetag we don't get breakages/QC errors out the wazoo.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021510)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:39pm CDT
I dont get it, that's just a picture had a black leopard, you can even see its spots.the original shadow panther wasnt based on a leopard and doesnt have spots as part of its deco.
Hence its a toy only redeco of cheetor.
Also, yes, i am 100% being facetious.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:39pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I think, as it stands, her Beast Mode makes her potentially the weakest of the MP Beast Wars designs so far. Including Shadow Panther, that isn't even a Panther...
But there is no such thing as a panther species, it's just a toy deco homage.
I dont get it, that's just a picture had a black leopard, you can even see its spots.the original shadow panther wasnt based on a leopard and doesnt have spots as part of its deco.
Hence its a toy only redeco of cheetor.
Also, yes, i am 100% being facetious.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021516)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:57pm CDT
A black leopard is a black leopard. Diffrent species can have a black coat, like the Jaguar, which we should know since thats the animal G1 Ravage is based on.
So "black panthers" dont exist as a species with a truly specific body type and there is non such thing as an actual black panther with a plain black coat, like these toys, since all those real big cats still have visible spots.
The deco, as seen on shadow panther, is not found in nature, it only refetences the original toy. So i dont get why anyone would take issue with this toy not representing a species that doesnt even exist.
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 6:57pm CDT
sol magnus wrote:
A Panther is a black leopard. Not a cheetah.
A black leopard is a black leopard. Diffrent species can have a black coat, like the Jaguar, which we should know since thats the animal G1 Ravage is based on.
So "black panthers" dont exist as a species with a truly specific body type and there is non such thing as an actual black panther with a plain black coat, like these toys, since all those real big cats still have visible spots.
The deco, as seen on shadow panther, is not found in nature, it only refetences the original toy. So i dont get why anyone would take issue with this toy not representing a species that doesnt even exist.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021518)
Posted by Emerje on May 14th, 2019 @ 7:19pm CDT
That's not the price any of us should be paying. Amazon Japan knocks off as much 29% of the MSRP or MP preorders (as they currently are on MP-45 Bumblebee), and then knocks off an additional 8% included sales tax that isn't charged on exports bringing the total down to 10,582 JPY or about $96.50. Factor in around $10 for 3 day shipping and the price is a lot more manageable.
Personally I like the figure and while the beast mode isn't perfect I never expected perfection on a figure this small to begin with. I'm just glad the gun does indeed fill in the massive gaps in her spider mode as expected.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on May 14th, 2019 @ 7:19pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:16200 yen = $147.79. They can get the **** out of here with that price.
That's not the price any of us should be paying. Amazon Japan knocks off as much 29% of the MSRP or MP preorders (as they currently are on MP-45 Bumblebee), and then knocks off an additional 8% included sales tax that isn't charged on exports bringing the total down to 10,582 JPY or about $96.50. Factor in around $10 for 3 day shipping and the price is a lot more manageable.
Personally I like the figure and while the beast mode isn't perfect I never expected perfection on a figure this small to begin with. I'm just glad the gun does indeed fill in the massive gaps in her spider mode as expected.
Emerje
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021525)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on May 14th, 2019 @ 8:32pm CDT
Also the fact that Megatron is three times larger than Blackarachnia.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on May 14th, 2019 @ 8:32pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:The difference is that Megatron at least had a backpack of beast mode kibble in the show. Blackarachnia did not.ZeroWolf wrote:AllNews argument is that there would be panel folding shenanigans ala beast meg's backpack.
Also the fact that Megatron is three times larger than Blackarachnia.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021529)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 14th, 2019 @ 8:37pm CDT
Fold it where?! And Megs back pack isn’t all that ting, compact.... not thin
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 14th, 2019 @ 8:37pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:AllNews argument is that there would be panel folding shenanigans ala beast meg's backpack.
Fold it where?! And Megs back pack isn’t all that ting, compact.... not thin
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021530)
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 8:38pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on May 14th, 2019 @ 8:38pm CDT
All zoological tidbits aside, AllNewSuperRobot, I agree with you. Blackarachnia's alt mode looks bad (I dont think anyone disagrees strongly with that) and I would have loved some extra panels to make it look better, especially the gap between the two segments. And MP Shadow panther doesn't look like our collective image of a black panther (which would look like Bagheera from the Jungle Book).
I just found the arguments a bit odd. Like comparing to an old toy that doesnt look like the show model, or comparing to a real animal when the original toy wasn't any more zooligically accurate.
In the end, we get a Blackarachnia which is closer to the show model than anything we ever got and we have another deco for cheetor referencing a deco we got for the original cheetor mold.
Personally, I dont know if I will get this blackarachnia. I like the character and the bot mode, but not a fan of the price or alt mode. Will you be getting it?
I just found the arguments a bit odd. Like comparing to an old toy that doesnt look like the show model, or comparing to a real animal when the original toy wasn't any more zooligically accurate.
In the end, we get a Blackarachnia which is closer to the show model than anything we ever got and we have another deco for cheetor referencing a deco we got for the original cheetor mold.
Personally, I dont know if I will get this blackarachnia. I like the character and the bot mode, but not a fan of the price or alt mode. Will you be getting it?
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021543)
Posted by Immortal Starscream on May 14th, 2019 @ 9:41pm CDT
hate to point this out, but blackarachnia did have bot parts showing, part of her calves, and all of her huge purple feel were showing, as well as her "anchor" which stuck out of her butt. the calves are much more noticeable on her 10th anniversary show colored version, being bright gold and all
Transformers Beast Wars Blackarachnia (Black Widow) Gallery
while I do agree that some kind of covering panel would have been preferable, given her size (she should be shorter then cheetor based off the show models) said panels would tiny be fragile as all hell. unless they just detached and became something.
Posted by Immortal Starscream on May 14th, 2019 @ 9:41pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:william-james88 wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote: If they could achieve that way back in 1996/7/8, it is unacceptable to leave most of her gold legs visible on what should be a solid black abdomen.
I am with you on the dissapointment and I know where you are coming from but I do take issue with the text I bolded. It's apple and oranges because the toys came first back then. So of course it was fine. But then the character designer based her model on a stripper and made the character look nothing like the toy.
Now, we are basing the toy on the show model, which we can all agree is a rather peculiar one.
The better comparison, if you want to make one would be hod different the toy looks to the show model between then and now. This toy is inifitely better in that respect.
I was generalising the difference in aesthetic in Beast Modes, back then. Less so for individual characters. There was always some "cheetor" visible in his Beast Mode, as with the rest of the Maximals. Waspinator, Scorponok, Tarantulas etc Typically their bot legs were only visible if you turned the toy upside down.
hate to point this out, but blackarachnia did have bot parts showing, part of her calves, and all of her huge purple feel were showing, as well as her "anchor" which stuck out of her butt. the calves are much more noticeable on her 10th anniversary show colored version, being bright gold and all
Transformers Beast Wars Blackarachnia (Black Widow) Gallery
while I do agree that some kind of covering panel would have been preferable, given her size (she should be shorter then cheetor based off the show models) said panels would tiny be fragile as all hell. unless they just detached and became something.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021560)
Posted by Stargrave on May 15th, 2019 @ 12:49am CDT
Posted by Stargrave on May 15th, 2019 @ 12:49am CDT
Her robot mode is gorgeous though. I think they captured that spot on. With curvy Arcee they had the option of her back pack but....gah dang the robot mode just looks rad. Just tie a black sock on her a$$ and call it a day.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021561)
Posted by Stargrave on May 15th, 2019 @ 12:52am CDT
You guys are killin' me here...hilarious...
Posted by Stargrave on May 15th, 2019 @ 12:52am CDT
william-james88 wrote:sol magnus wrote:
A Panther is a black leopard. Not a cheetah.
A black leopard is a black leopard. Diffrent species can have a black coat, like the Jaguar, which we should know since thats the animal G1 Ravage is based on.
So "black panthers" dont exist as a species with a truly specific body type and there is non such thing as an actual black panther with a plain black coat, like these toys, since all those real big cats still have visible spots.
The deco, as seen on shadow panther, is not found in nature, it only refetences the original toy. So i dont get why anyone would take issue with this toy not representing a species that doesnt even exist.
You guys are killin' me here...hilarious...
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021570)
Posted by blackeyedprime on May 15th, 2019 @ 2:58am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on May 15th, 2019 @ 2:58am CDT
Since I only ever had the repaint I never realised the toy colors were scorponocish. If this mp gets toy color I'll likely end up getting that too (way down the line when I can afford it). Not sure what repaint tarantulas could have, and whilst I never imagined him to be a tarantula, something like a joro spider might fit it better made up spider wise alt.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021571)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:00am CDT
technically Black Widow was the repaint of trantulus… but that obviously wouldn't work for the MP. They could pull a curve ball and do an "arcee" version that's white and pink.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:00am CDT
blackeyedprime wrote:Since I only ever had the repaint I never realised the toy colors were scorponocish. If this mp gets toy color I'll likely end up getting that too (way down the line when I can afford it). Not sure what repaint tarantulas could have, and whilst I never imagined him to be a tarantula, something like a joro spider might fit it better made up spider wise alt.
technically Black Widow was the repaint of trantulus… but that obviously wouldn't work for the MP. They could pull a curve ball and do an "arcee" version that's white and pink.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021572)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:04am CDT
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:04am CDT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latrodectus_hesperus
Oddly enough... that works with her beast mode... though I do think her "show" version was quite different.
Oddly enough... that works with her beast mode... though I do think her "show" version was quite different.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021576)
Posted by Barricade.it on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:11am CDT
Posted by Barricade.it on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:11am CDT
I hate the BW line.
This said, I think this figure is awful in beast mode: TRex Megatron and Cheetor are the only two figures worthy in this MP group, I think.
This said, I think this figure is awful in beast mode: TRex Megatron and Cheetor are the only two figures worthy in this MP group, I think.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021577)
Posted by blackeyedprime on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:14am CDT
Maybe an arcee version that or the one in animated that got turned into a spider, can't remember who it was now (I'm thinking she was blue and white) but tha might be a bit too obscure.
Posted by blackeyedprime on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:14am CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Since I only ever had the repaint I never realised the toy colors were scorponocish. If this mp gets toy color I'll likely end up getting that too (way down the line when I can afford it). Not sure what repaint tarantulas could have, and whilst I never imagined him to be a tarantula, something like a joro spider might fit it better made up spider wise alt.
technically Black Widow was the repaint of trantulus… but that obviously wouldn't work for the MP. They could pull a curve ball and do an "arcee" version that's white and pink.
Maybe an arcee version that or the one in animated that got turned into a spider, can't remember who it was now (I'm thinking she was blue and white) but tha might be a bit too obscure.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021578)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:43am CDT
Re animated black arachnia- I swore it was arcee… but I recall her showing up with the whole subplot with bulkhead/siri/omega.... unless i'm confusing it with prime.... maybe it was elite one?
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:43am CDT
blackeyedprime wrote:SpikeyTigertron wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Since I only ever had the repaint I never realised the toy colors were scorponocish. If this mp gets toy color I'll likely end up getting that too (way down the line when I can afford it). Not sure what repaint tarantulas could have, and whilst I never imagined him to be a tarantula, something like a joro spider might fit it better made up spider wise alt.
technically Black Widow was the repaint of trantulus… but that obviously wouldn't work for the MP. They could pull a curve ball and do an "arcee" version that's white and pink.
Maybe an arcee version that or the one in animated that got turned into a spider, can't remember who it was now (I'm thinking she was blue and white) but tha might be a bit too obscure.
Re animated black arachnia- I swore it was arcee… but I recall her showing up with the whole subplot with bulkhead/siri/omega.... unless i'm confusing it with prime.... maybe it was elite one?
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021579)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:45am CDT
Hate the line as Masterpieces or as an IP in general? Kenner basically saved the Transformers franchise with it... so even if it's not your cup of tea... it's worth giving credit where it's due.
I think Black Arachnia will be a lot better "in hand" once people start reviewing her. The beast modes were always secondary anyway for the most part... they're still extremely difficult to pose organically, but they're not *quite* the bricks the original toys were.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on May 15th, 2019 @ 3:45am CDT
Barricade.it wrote:I hate the BW line.
This said, I think this figure is awful in beast mode: TRex Megatron and Cheetor are the only two figures worthy in this MP group, I think.
Hate the line as Masterpieces or as an IP in general? Kenner basically saved the Transformers franchise with it... so even if it's not your cup of tea... it's worth giving credit where it's due.
I think Black Arachnia will be a lot better "in hand" once people start reviewing her. The beast modes were always secondary anyway for the most part... they're still extremely difficult to pose organically, but they're not *quite* the bricks the original toys were.
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021583)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 15th, 2019 @ 5:24am CDT
As long as the reviews don't reveal the plastic to be in the same state as MP Beast Megs.
Also in Animated it was Elita One who was turned into Blackarachnia, she blamed Optimus and Sentinel.
@Will do you still think that about the price after Emerje's calculations?
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 15th, 2019 @ 5:24am CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:Barricade.it wrote:I hate the BW line.
This said, I think this figure is awful in beast mode: TRex Megatron and Cheetor are the only two figures worthy in this MP group, I think.
Hate the line as Masterpieces or as an IP in general? Kenner basically saved the Transformers franchise with it... so even if it's not your cup of tea... it's worth giving credit where it's due.
I think Black Arachnia will be a lot better "in hand" once people start reviewing her. The beast modes were always secondary anyway for the most part... they're still extremely difficult to pose organically, but they're not *quite* the bricks the original toys were.
As long as the reviews don't reveal the plastic to be in the same state as MP Beast Megs.
Also in Animated it was Elita One who was turned into Blackarachnia, she blamed Optimus and Sentinel.
@Will do you still think that about the price after Emerje's calculations?
Re: Official Stock Photos for MP-46 Masterpiece Blackwidow (Blackarachnia) from Takara Tomy Mall (2021589)
Posted by BluePhirePB on May 15th, 2019 @ 8:02am CDT
Posted by BluePhirePB on May 15th, 2019 @ 8:02am CDT
I can understand everyone's complaints regarding the beast mode but that robot mode is so on point, it's worth the sacrifice IMO. Also, she was quite skinny and sleek on the show. It'd be VERY hard to replicate in figure form in this scale.
