Official Images - Transformers Studio Series WWII Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Barricade, Clunker Bumblebee, Crankcase

world war 2 bumblebee kinda looks too clunky and that backpack looks ugly at that angle

I love WWII Bee, Sideswipe, and Barricade. Don't need Clunkerbee unless he is on clearance. And maybe I can complete Crankcase with a simple face swap. Idk because I just bought ANOTHER Berserker just to make him Crankcase. Can someone ask Hasbro why the head is wrong?

Gotta say, Barricade, WW2 Bumblebee and Sideswipe look pretty fantastic, but I can't help but wonder why they've chosen these certain characters to make into ss figures. I'm still desperately looking forward to future figures like DotM Shockwave, Soundwave, Sentinel Prime, and others that I feel like should have been prioritized far before characters like WW2 Bumblebee who had such minimal and insignificant screen time.

You really gotta wonder why Hasbro didn't just repaint Berserker into Crankase, when they look exactly the same. I mean they both use the exact same model and the figure scaless perfectly with Crowbar too, so....

Nemesis Primal wrote:We are now up to 9 Studio Series Bees, ladies and gentlemen, 10 if you count the Lucky Draw damaged/rusted Bee that seems virtually the same as this new rusted Bee...

Yeah but fans really wanted that rusty bee after seeing it be only 300 made at first. So now they can get it too. Dont know if it being less exclusive makes it less cool now.

Anyways, some things I wanted to point out for fun

- sideswipe’s weapons store as exhaust pipes
- swords incorporate into the alt-mode the like the original DOTM toy but there's an additional blade that ends up positioned flat under the car to recreate the paired, angled blade look.
- WWII Bee is based off a Humber Light Reconnaissance Car



What was he in the film?

Classic camaro Bumblebee is officially the evasion mode Optimus of the studio series line. That WWII Bee however, delicious, more of that please!

Why would they recolor Crowbar and say he's Crankcase, when Crankcase looks identical to Berserker, who already has a mold that came out just last year? That's just dumb. Can't wait to see this shelfwarming every store (just like Berserker, LOL).

At least the others look good. WW2 Bee is probably buy on sight. Will probably still wait on some comparisons to older versions for 'Swipe and Barricade before I make a decision. Not really feeling a need for Clunker Bee.

Hope we see some voyagers for this wave soon, I'm dying to see a new Bonecrusher.

Trouble Decepticon Punk!



I really am enjoying Jazz. I am super glad I found all of wave 2 in stores, and in Target no less, and Jazz is so much fun. He's small yes, but lots of fun. I love the head sculpt and the posing power and the weapon he comes with. He's so much fun!

Brawl has grown on me. I really like how the chest ends up working for robot mode, and he is really intimidating with all that weaponry

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:We are now up to 9 Studio Series Bees, ladies and gentlemen, 10 if you count the Lucky Draw damaged/rusted Bee that seems virtually the same as this new rusted Bee...

Yeah but fans really wanted that rusty bee after seeing it be only 300 made at first. So now they can get it too. Dont know if it being less exclusive makes it less cool now.

Anyways, some things I wanted to point out for fun

- sideswipe’s weapons store as exhaust pipes
- swords incorporate into the alt-mode the like the original DOTM toy but there's an additional blade that ends up positioned flat under the car to recreate the paired, angled blade look.
- WWII Bee is based off a Humber Light Reconnaissance Car



What was he in the film?

A quick Google search says he was a Mercedes-Benz 770.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_770

william-james88 wrote:What was he in the film?

He was an open-top Mercedes-Benz car, tfwiki specifies it as a “cabriolet”.
This isn’t exact, but it’s pretty similar:

Liking what I see, except for Crankcase's head. They should have gone with Crowbar's body and Berserker's head.

I like what we're seeing, but I feel I would love the WWII Bumblebee more if it wasn't Bumblebee. I have nothing Bee as a character, but he just never fit that role for me personally. If I see it at a decent price I might pick it up. It's still great looking. Sideswipe's pretty good, as is Barricade. Don't know why Hasbro decided to repaint Berserker/Crankcase... Every store I've been too has them overstocked but I recognize that that's subjective. Maybe others liked the figure?

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

william-james88 wrote:What was he in the film?

He was an open-top Mercedes-Benz car, tfwiki specifies it as a “cabriolet”.
This isn’t exact, but it’s pretty similar:

DB88A013-6BBB-4AA2-A1DB-8B4165DD4137.jpeg

"Cabriolet" is another word for "convertible". It's French.

Transformers Movie Legendary Optimus Prime

https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=FIGURE-040919

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10551654

(With much headache) I went into the source code of the Instagram page and scrolled through all the image files until I found the highest quality images possible for them all. If ya guys wanna see that is.

The most interesting is the ww2 bee

think the figure looks really good however it's hard for me to see that and say "bumblebee" - at first glance thought it was a hound or ironhide...

also it's quite a distinctive alt mode which we haven't seen too much of (the closest I can think off the top of my head is a micrometer big shot)

really like what they've done with the studio series but haven't been able to tip my toes in...

I wasn't a fan of this Barricade initially, but it's grown on me the more I look at it. WW2 Bee doesn't look too bad either. Sideswipe looks amazing and I dig the deco on "Crankcase" even if it looks nothing like the character. Clunker Bee looks too similar to the original in robot mode to justify buying both.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Trouble Decepticon Punk!



I really am enjoying Jazz. I am super glad I found all of wave 2 in stores, and in Target no less, and Jazz is so much fun. He's small yes, but lots of fun. I love the head sculpt and the posing power and the weapon he comes with. He's so much fun!

Brawl has grown on me. I really like how the chest ends up working for robot mode, and he is really intimidating with all that weaponry

I really should get Brawl at some point so I can do these pics too. Hm I have a £2 off voucher from the seller I bought Ironhide from that runs out at end of September. I should probably use that.

I love how badass, squat and chunky Barricade looks in his official promo pic and how dynamic and flash Sideswipe looks in his. They definitely got those poses right.

Hey everyone.

Hope you're enjoying the pics. There might be more reveals today along side Marvel Legends and Star Wars stuffs so if I get more pics I'll post them again. I'll try to post them here but if not just grab them from my Facebook or Twitter.

Cheers!

Ryan

Thanks Ryan!

Has anyone here found SS Ironhide at Target?

Thanks Ryan!


My 2007 Autobot Squad. I gotta learn how to take better photos but it's nice having the team together.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:From what i can see on the Barricade's chest on that image is that those two bumper sections I had wondered earlier about if they tilt to look more accurate do seem to appear slightly tilted there which is nice. Really impressed with how he manages to squeeze so much extra MPM-like accuracy into a Deluxe figure.

Sure, they squeezed MPM like accuracy, but not MPM like engineering. The accuracy comes at a major cost that the chest is totally fake. I was looking at pics and its a complete solid piece which sucks hard.

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:From what i can see on the Barricade's chest on that image is that those two bumper sections I had wondered earlier about if they tilt to look more accurate do seem to appear slightly tilted there which is nice. Really impressed with how he manages to squeeze so much extra MPM-like accuracy into a Deluxe figure.

Sure, they squeezed MPM like accuracy, but not MPM like engineering. The accuracy comes at a majo cost that the chest is totally fake. I was looking at pics and its a complete solid piece which sucks hard.

So? As long as each part hides well in the opposite mode I'm fine with that (none of this silly 2007 Legends Jazz thing where the fake car front as chest is totally visible and ridiculous in car mode). A complex robot chest and a smooth car hood wasn't ever gonna be very feasible on a Deluxe figure. I love that his head is much close now to the front of his chest. The robot mode here looks absolutely superb leagues ahead of even the DotM figure (and yay they put the car rear end kibble behind his lower legs rather than the behind the thighs, thank you!). Definitely the Transformers figure I want most now.

They're really clutching at straws with these Deluxe Bumblebees now aren't they? That being said, WWII Bee looks good, if they make a WWII Hot Rod as well (not expecting it though) I'll pick them both up. I don't get why they didn't make Crankcase a straight repaint of Berserker, either way I'll be skipping him. Sideswipe and Barricade look great, but it's a shame Barricade doesn't come with a little Frenzy figure.

Just noticing the two explosions in the WW2 Bee backdrop conveniently covering the Nazi flag symbols

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:From what i can see on the Barricade's chest on that image is that those two bumper sections I had wondered earlier about if they tilt to look more accurate do seem to appear slightly tilted there which is nice. Really impressed with how he manages to squeeze so much extra MPM-like accuracy into a Deluxe figure.

Sure, they squeezed MPM like accuracy, but not MPM like engineering. The accuracy comes at a majo cost that the chest is totally fake. I was looking at pics and its a complete solid piece which sucks hard.

So? As long as each part hides well in the opposite mode I'm fine with that (none of this silly 2007 Legends Jazz thing where the fake car front as chest is totally visible and ridiculous in car mode). A complex robot chest and a smooth car hood wasn't ever gonna be very feasible on a Deluxe figure. I love that his head is much close now to the front of his chest. The robot mode here looks absolutely superb leagues ahead of even the DotM figure (and yay they put the car rear end kibble behind his lower legs rather than the behind the thighs, thank you!). Definitely the Transformers figure I want most now.

Honestly, I feel fake parts, especially the chest, goes against the essence of a Transforming toy.

It also greatly simplifies transformation and makes the engineering lazy. If all you care for is for it to look just like in the film, then why bother even make a transforming figure, just buy a non transforming action figure of him in bot mode.

Take these two below for instance, one is one of the greatest TFs ever made and the other is an unremarkable toy that is already being forgotten. And all due to the chest being fake or not.

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william-james88 wrote:Honestly, I feel fake parts, especially the chest, goes against the essence of a Transforming toy.

It also greatly simplifies transformation and makes the engineering lazy. If all you care for is for it to look just like in the film, then why bother even make a transforming figure, just buy a non transforming action figure of him in bot mode.

Because then you'd be complaining about it not being a Transformers figure at all? If these are indeeded 'fake parts' as you call them then what's the alternative? An overly simplistic and inaccurate robot chest like we've had on previous figures or a totally messed up inaccurate car form? That Barricade there looks fantastic and accurate in both modes and if it needs 'fake parts' to do that then fine by me. It's not like it's partsforming or some other bullcrap.

And in regards to the Prime Cliffjumpers. I'm no fan of the design of the character but comparing the pics of the character to that toys, if I liked the character I'd go for the one on the right because it looks way more like him all over in torso, arms (aside from the short upper arms and long forearms though I like the thicker joints where the shoulders meet the torso compared to the other's scrawny ones), legs (much better shaped) and such and has a generally more consistent look while the one on the left looks very awkward amd ugly (and looks like the hands have car kibble under them which is a pet peeve of mine in TF toy design).

As I said before I don't mind 'fake parts' if they are justified and hidden at least reasonably well in the mode they're not part of and Barricade looks amazing in both modes. For a deluxe scale figure I really see no alternative because trying to make the smooth car front transform fully into the stylish and twisted robot mode chest would require far too many parts for a figure so small that it would be incredibly fiddly if it somehow managed to pack in all the joints required to even attempt it. And the sleekness of the car mode would be utterly ruined with the front being cluttered with seams where the panels would all be trying to line up. Which just reminds me of the awful 2008 Universe Ironhide and Ratchet mold with the vehicle mode looking far too messy and panel-heavy and abstract to be at all convincing as even a half decent earth vehicle disguise.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Honestly, I feel fake parts, especially the chest, goes against the essence of a Transforming toy.

It also greatly simplifies transformation and makes the engineering lazy. If all you care for is for it to look just like in the film, then why bother even make a transforming figure, just buy a non transforming action figure of him in bot mode.

Because then you'd be complaining about it not being a Transformers figure at all? If these are indeeded 'fake parts' as you call them then what's the alternative? An overly simplistic and inaccurate robot chest like we've had on previous figures or a totally messed up inaccurate car form? That Barricade there looks fantastic and accurate in both modes and if it needs 'fake parts' to do that then fine by me. It's not like it's partsforming or some other bullcrap.

Why are we saying what Hasbro can and cant do? If we stopped innovation, we would not be where we are today. And once again your assessment of cliffjumper is purely based on looks and not the transformation, so transformation definitely takes a back seat in your assessment (leading to my comment about comparison to an actual non transforming figure).

william-james88 wrote:And once again your assessment of cliffjumper is purely based on looks and not the transformation, so transformation definitely takes a back seat in your assessment (leading to my comment about comparison to an actual non transforming figure).

There was me thinking the appearance of the character was at all important to the purchase of a figure. Clearly that left Cliffjumper figure doesn't transform all that well if it doesn't do as good a job of actually resembling the character it's supposed to be as the one on the right does...

By the way don't a lot of G1 Optimus Prime figures have fake parts? Even (or especially) the Masterpiece figures? The lower part of his torso rarely shares the same grill the truck mode uses and the white stripes in robot mode too are often much thicker versions angled in shape at the sides rather than the stripes shown in truck mode. And they do that because it's impossible to replicate the weird shape shifting the cartoon does even at their much larger sizes (and you're complaining cos a little Deluxe figure can't accurate replicate the intricate complex shifting of small parts a CGI model can do). So yep those Prime toys are all crap too...

Everyone is going to have their opinions on what a Transformers toy "should" be, but you have to accept the reality of how the new entries in the franchise are ultimately developed now.

In G1, the toys came FIRST, at least for the initial couple of years. They had no "template" as to what the robot modes had to look like, so they had them transform however they wanted and "fake kibble" was not a problem. When we got into 1986 and brand new characters (e.g., not from Diaclone or Microman) were created, we had the opposite situation where most of the character models came first and the toy robot modes tried to approximate what was on screen while minimizing fake kibble, resulting in a similar, but even more exaggerated difference between the toys and the on screen character models that in the first two seasons of the original cartoon.

Several decades later, designing the character models FIRST is the norm, and engineering toys to approximate those designs comes second. In an attempt to keep fans happy by offering screen accurate toys, more fake kibble and transforming "trickery" is needed. Wishing for "better engineering" isn't always feasible. Computer graphics modeling has become so advanced that getting the details just right in a plastic toy that converts between two distinct and defined looks (robot and alt mode) is nearly impossible. The live action movies are especially notorious for this issue. Either you have an inaccurate looking toy, or you have two good looking modes that hide some faux parts from the other to get that desired look. There are limits to what Hasbro and Takara engineers can accomplish right now, but they may very well develop new techniques that will blow us away in the years to come. They're always working on that kind of stuff behind the scenes. I'd rather have good toys keep coming out that make "compromises" in terms of transforming trickery than wait and wait for years before they figure out a more "honest" way to pull of some wacky transformation that an artist with no knowledge of engineering dreamt up.

Shouldn't a transformer be judged on how fun the transformation is, how good the different modes look, and articulation. Fake parts don't mean the figure can't have a fun or complex transformation, and they definitely don't take away from articulation or the look of the figure. These are opinions though, and everyone is entitled to their own.

President-prime wrote:Not that I’m complaining, but why do studio series barricade when there’s masterpiece version of the same toy? ESP when they’re almost identical. And please don’t argue with me that they’re not. I know they’re not. I’m just saying, I was considering gettinasterpiece barricade but now a similar barricade is coming out for $19 instead $79. They’re competing against themselves

Not really. Its two separate collector markets. No MP collector will accept a main line deluxe figure as a replacement for an MP. Anyone who would probably wasn't going to buy the MP anyway, so no money lost.

While this has little to do with the Studio Series revealed at the Fan Expo Canada 2018, the Studio Series Deluxe Class Dropkick and Voyager Class Revenge of the Fallen Starscream now have Hasbro stock photos! While we had two foggy stock photos for Dropkick and TakaraTomy stock photos for Starscream, we get to see Dropkick in much better detail, as well as Dropkick's box and both of their backdrops. Dropkick transforms into his helicopter mode, as opposed to his car mode and Starscream is in his Revenge of the Fallen/Dark of the Moon body with his buzzsaw.

Now these stock photos come from listings from Stor and Lien AB's website.

Interestingly enough, Dropkick is described as an "unknown hero" in the URL. Starscream is also referred to a Deluxe in the URL.

Dropkick














Starscream

Carnivius_Prime wrote:By the way don't a lot of G1 Optimus Prime figures have fake parts? Even (or especially) the Masterpiece figures? The lower part of his torso rarely shares the same grill the truck mode uses and the white stripes in robot mode too are often much thicker versions angled in shape at the sides rather than the stripes shown in truck mode. And they do that because it's impossible to replicate the weird shape shifting the cartoon does even at their much larger sizes (and you're complaining cos a little Deluxe figure can't accurate replicate the intricate complex shifting of small parts a CGI model can do). So yep those Prime toys are all crap too...

Prime's alt mode is all over him in most of his toys. His chest usually has his truck windows. Thats why no one minds the grill changing a bit, the alt mode is clearly visible everywhere else. But with movie figures, they looks like junkyards and now one of the main parts of barricade which actually looks like it could be from a car is a fake piece. Thats just weak sauce man.

starscream looks decent, the other one, NO

I like Dropkick, but he sure doesn't look anything like his character model.

Blitzwing's looking awesome!

Dropkick looks nice. Do you guys think I should wait until they get their car mode toys (IF they get them) or should I just grab these?

Dropkick looks like a power core combiner. That's not a compliment.

Just gonna throw some of my pennies in :p

I don’t mind fake parts as long as they make it accurate to the source material aren’t being used in a lazy way. Evasion prime has fake parts but they are used in a complex way to hide in vehicle mode and create an accurate chest. That’s good. AoE Hound uses fake tires on his feet because that’s accurate and hard to engineer, looks ok and I don’t mind. Legends Jazz has TWO (count em’, TWO) front ends because one is a lazy fake. That sucks.

Not gonna buy old bee because I have the 07 one. Barricade (yay!) looks like he’s missing some paint in vehicle mode. Looks like missing headlights are the new car rims, but my old deluxe is worn out. Sideswipe is a need because I love the DotM Stingray. Dropkick looks interesting, I need more helicopters. Skipping starscream just because the tats don’t warrant two figures for me. WW2 bee will fit in with my old toy planes and tanks on the Knick knack shelf!

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Blitzwing's looking awesome!

Dropkick looks nice. Do you guys think I should wait until they get their car mode toys (IF they get them) or should I just grab these?

Blitzwing?

Dropkick looks fun but might be a bit misleading if you go by his cgi box art which clearly shows him as a triple changer.

william-james88 wrote:Prime's alt mode is all over him in most of his toys. His chest usually has his truck windows. Thats why no one minds the grill changing a bit, the alt mode is clearly visible everywhere else. But with movie figures, they looks like junkyards and now one of the main parts of barricade which actually looks like it could be from a car is a fake piece. Thats just weak sauce man.

Just going by the past couple years of G1 Optimus Prime toys: Titans Return Voyager. Fake windows. Power of the Primes Leader. Fake windows (on top of the real windows from what i see in a picture of the matrix chamber?). Titans Return Leader barely has windows to begin with but ends up covering the vast majority of the chest with random looking silver crap that doesn't look even in the slightest truck-like.

And really what else could that Barricade toy turn into do you think? His chest still looks plenty car-like to me. Plus the wheels and car doors? Why, I can't possibly figure it out. Helicopter? Nah. Jet, nah. Dunno. oh wait... DINOSAUR? no? Well, I'm stumped.

"they looks like junkyards" Ah now see this is where we totally disagree. I think the movie characters, for the most part are beautifully designed and helped pushed past the over-use of simplistic generic-looking robot designs that a lot of (particularly vehicular-based) Transformers had been using for the past 20+ years. Even something as simple as how the 2007 Concept Camaro Bee toy's chest turn ups at the sides with the middle kept down like it was saying 'nah' to choosing between the old G1 Sideswipe/Hot Rod hood down and the Prowl/Jazz 'car-boobs' look and went for a fresh mixture of the two.

Anyways you've been ignoring actual good points made by myself and (a very well written post) by Wolfman-Jake about just how much engineering can be fit into certain sizes of figures when trying to maintain character model accuracy and you've not provided any sensible alternatives. They've tried twice to get the car front turning into the robot chest in the 2007 toy (which just looks horribly inaccurate and poor these days) and the DotM figure (which still uses a fake part to some extent since the middle of the grill and bumper end up on the inside with a fake angled one flipped out to try resemble the movie CGI model a bit more). So they've tried. This time we finally getting a Deluxe Barricade that looks about as accurate and awesome as a Deluxe Class Barricade could ever look and if it does that with a lil bit of 'cheating' I'm absolutely frickin' fine with that since as I said before, it looks fantastic in both modes and is still a transforming figure. I mean if it REALLY cheated by having a completely seperate piece you had to remove (like if you had to take off the car front completely and set it aside and attach another totally seperate chest piece on), now that I would think would be pretty lousy cos 'partsforming' is generally lame and for the most part should have died with the various original G1 toys such as the seeker jets and Ultra Magnus. But nope, if this toy does indeed have two car fronts in both car and robot mode versions within the toy itself then it's doing a good job of hiding it because the car mode itself looks great and far superior to previous versions (Yay for having PROPER transparent rear windows this time... the 2007 and DotM figures DO NOT) and has by far the most accurate rendition of his awesome robot mode the Deluxe class has ever done too. Even if the real car front is visible from the back of the figure (which haven't seen yet) I'd be ok with that cos it's still mostly hidden from general view and it's not blatantly just sticking out (the side view in the photos looks actually very clean).

And i'm not even sure what 'weak sauce' even is. Some internet slang thing i missed out on or something. Having to resort to a silly picture like that in such a debate seems very cheap itself.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Blitzwing's looking awesome!

Dropkick looks nice. Do you guys think I should wait until they get their car mode toys (IF they get them) or should I just grab these?

Blitzwing?

Dropkick looks fun but might be a bit misleading if you go by his cgi box art which clearly shows him as a triple changer.

at this scale there is no possible way that hasbro could make a deluxe triple changer (heck, they could barely pull off voyager triple changers). clearly what they are doing is making separate toys for the cars and flying vehicle modes to make the vehicles not have to be compromised like crazy, and make them actually possible to transform at this size. also the blitzwing thing was him making fun of the name change in the bumblebee film. (starscream -> blitzwing)

My point was that they should have made a new cgi render so kids weren't misled when they wanted Dropkick for their collection as it's a high probability that hasbro will use the same cgi render on the box art. I think they will try a triple changer for him at some point though

I had a hunch you were talking about Starscream

I want a 3rd party upgrade to turn Dropkick into Whirl.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:And i'm not even sure what 'weak sauce' even is. Some internet slang thing i missed out on or something. Having to resort to a silly picture like that in such a debate seems very cheap itself.

Its just an expression and I added that image to make light of the situation, since these are just toys afterall, nothing to really get wound up about. Look, I will still be getting this barricade, an I look forward to transforming him but I am still not super fond of fake chests when it wasnt fake before. We'll see how this guy turns out for me.

Ok, Dropkick may be the best helicopter mode Transformer ever made. I LOVE him!

Octobotimus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Blitzwing's looking awesome!

Dropkick looks nice. Do you guys think I should wait until they get their car mode toys (IF they get them) or should I just grab these?

Blitzwing?

Dropkick looks fun but might be a bit misleading if you go by his cgi box art which clearly shows him as a triple changer.

at this scale there is no possible way that hasbro could make a deluxe triple changer (heck, they could barely pull off voyager triple changers). clearly what they are doing is making separate toys for the cars and flying vehicle modes to make the vehicles not have to be compromised like crazy, and make them actually possible to transform at this size.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I don't think we're ever going to see a triple changing live action movie toy unless it's an alien/absract cybertronian mode. The movies focus on having real world vehicles for the alt modes, and there is no way to get two clean, good looking alt modes in one figure that is going to pass the licensors' standards for aesthetics and authenticity.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Octobotimus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Blitzwing's looking awesome!

Dropkick looks nice. Do you guys think I should wait until they get their car mode toys (IF they get them) or should I just grab these?

Blitzwing?

Dropkick looks fun but might be a bit misleading if you go by his cgi box art which clearly shows him as a triple changer.

at this scale there is no possible way that hasbro could make a deluxe triple changer (heck, they could barely pull off voyager triple changers). clearly what they are doing is making separate toys for the cars and flying vehicle modes to make the vehicles not have to be compromised like crazy, and make them actually possible to transform at this size.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I don't think we're ever going to see a triple changing live action movie toy unless it's an alien/absract cybertronian mode. The movies focus on having real world vehicles for the alt modes, and there is no way to get two clean, good looking alt modes in one figure that is going to pass the licensors' standards for aesthetics and authenticity.

At any scale really. I would love to see a triple changer have 2 different licensed alt modes (one flyer and one car) but it dont see that happening soon (and its not like 3 p companies can do that either).