Official Images: Transformers Cloud TFC-A02 Brawn And TFC-D02 Starscream

I can see jet judo.

It seriously looks like the Bulkhead body is just a suit that Brawn is wearing. Such a tiny head! XD I love it and hate it.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:It seriously looks like the Bulkhead body is just a suit that Brawn is wearing. Such a tiny head! XD I love it and hate it.

that crossed my mind as well.

i really don't think prime bodies with generations style heads thrown on them look very good.

starscream looks very cool.. i love the G1 accurate colors.. had this figure been released in the US for $20.. i'd probably buy it.

oh.. and i REALLY hate the null ray placement in robot mode. i'd rather them be in the proper position or just use a different concept. if they had maybe.. sawed them in half and made them looked jerry rigged to be handheld guns.. i think that'd be really cool and fit the uniqueness of the figure.

doubledealer. those are not your colors. give them back to starscream before he finds out. bulkhead, take that mask off you are not fooling anyone

I have to admit - I do like both of these figures. I'm just less enthused about the price tag.

That Bulkhead is no Brawn. The only thing it is good for is the the head. Buy it, take the head off, use it on a custom that actually resembles Brawn. Hasbro/Takara and their shoehorning.......what will they think of next?? I surely hope the Generations Arcee coming out is not just a Generations Arcee head on a TF Prime Arcee body.....

shockblast2 wrote:That Bulkhead is no Brawn. The only thing it is good for is the the head. Buy it, take the head off, use it on a custom that actually resembles Brawn. Hasbro/Takara and their shoehorning.......what will they think of next?? I surely hope the Generations Arcee coming out is not just a Generations Arcee head on a TF Prime Arcee body.....

They said at Toy fair that Generations Arcee is a car.

Though, it's a little ridiculous to think that they'd do to a mainline Generations figure what was done to this small time super limited side line.

I wonder if the shoulder issue is fixed on this version of the Blitzwing mould. This will be the fourth time (twice with Hasbro and twice with Takara) that this mould has been released and I know from experience that the issue wasn't resolved as far as Hasbro is concerned when the Double Dealer version was released. This being the second so far for Takara-ish, I wonder if it's been fixed. Anyone pick up the Takara version of Blitzwing? Did Takara resolve that shoulder issue just based on the problem with the Hasbro version?

shockblast2 wrote:That Bulkhead is no Brawn. The only thing it is good for is the the head. Buy it, take the head off, use it on a custom that actually resembles Brawn. Hasbro/Takara and their shoehorning.......what will they think of next?? I surely hope the Generations Arcee coming out is not just a Generations Arcee head on a TF Prime Arcee body.....

Here's a novel concept:

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Alos, both figures look WAY better than either of them should.

El Duque wrote:

That deco looks so much nicer than his GDO figure's deco:

wolverinetodd wrote:I wonder if the shoulder issue is fixed on this version of the Blitzwing mould. This will be the fourth time (twice with Hasbro and twice with Takara) that this mould has been released and I know from experience that the issue wasn't resolved as far as Hasbro is concerned when the Double Dealer version was released. This being the second so far for Takara-ish, I wonder if it's been fixed. Anyone pick up the Takara version of Blitzwing? Did Takara resolve that shoulder issue just based on the problem with the Hasbro version?

Nope. Takara didn't fix it either.

Sabrblade wrote:That deco looks so much nicer than his GDO figure's deco:

I know, right? It's just plain unfair.

Still would have preferred the GDO release stateside for $20-$25, but the deco is admittedly a huge improvement on the Cloud version. Alas.

wolverinetodd wrote:I wonder if the shoulder issue is fixed on this version of the Blitzwing mould. This will be the fourth time (twice with Hasbro and twice with Takara) that this mould has been released and I know from experience that the issue wasn't resolved as far as Hasbro is concerned when the Double Dealer version was released. This being the second so far for Takara-ish, I wonder if it's been fixed. Anyone pick up the Takara version of Blitzwing? Did Takara resolve that shoulder issue just based on the problem with the Hasbro version?

I have it. His QC is better than Hasbro's (as is Doubledealer's is better than Hasbro's Blitzwing) but the issue isn't fixed with Takara's Blitzwing either.

Sabrblade wrote:Alos, both figures look WAY better than either of them should.

El Duque wrote:

That deco looks so much nicer than his GDO figure's deco:

Agreed 100%. Both of these Cloud figures look really nice all things considered.

Randy

Funny, people loved this:



Yet are hating this:

Hey look its "not" brawn and "not" starscream !

These images do Brawn some justice. I might pick him up, if in-hand images appeal to me more.

Passing on Starscream. I get what they're trying to do, but it doesn't work as Starscream to me.

pre-orders up at BBTS


http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=Transformers%20cloud&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Marketing&utm_content=

$100 a piece...

Can you order these from the Club or Ehobby?

mooncake623 wrote:pre-orders up at BBTS


http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/search.aspx?search=Transformers%20cloud&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Marketing&utm_content=

$100 a piece...

Can you order these from the Club or Ehobby?

E-Hobby only has Starscream, Brawn is only at TakaraTomy Mall. We could expect the club to put up listings for them, but price-wise you wouldn't be better or worse off with either.

Yup, still looks amazing. And look, Brawn has his G1 colors.
And I might as well say it here too.
Brawn= muscle. How does that mold not work?

prime aesthetics in my opinion just dont fit with regular figures. much like movie figures. think about the flipside: put animated or prime ratchets head on classics ratchets body and see if that fits.

for me, the drawbacks of brawn are his tiny head and stubby legs.

starscream however... is just unique coming from that mold. part of me says "nooo.... a tank? he's not supposed to be a powerhouse.." but i dont know. i just really like him. maybe its the spot on G1 colors thats grabbing me.

ill agree the biggest drawback of the cloud line in general are the prices. its asking a lot for glorified repaints.

Hmmm... I wonder if that teeny noggin of Brawn's would fit on a Classics Kup body. If Hasbro would scale it down, it would probably look good on the IDW Swerve/Gears mode as well, but for some reason, that tiny head on Bulkhead's massive body makes Brawn look like someone inflated him until his chest plates are separating. Maybe they should rename him Bloat instead of Brawn?

For those of you who like or have seen some of my Kirbyformers, here's one I've made of this Starscream:

The image on my DeviantART page: http://kirby-force.deviantart.com/art/K ... -435696215

MagnusLabel wrote:I can see jet judo.

I think you mean Jet Kun Do

Rated X wrote:Hey look its "not" brawn and "not" starscream !

Well, they're at least "not" G1, since Cloud is its own continuity.

brawn looks like hes been taking cybersteroids and working out

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Funny, people loved this:



Yet are hating this:

That's because BH deluxe Bulkhead is a MUCH better Brawn with better proportions than that Cloud joke.

I still want that Starscream, but for 100$, I'll prefer the Supreme Starscream mold in G1 colors. Sigh, when the hell Generations Doubledealer will be released in Quebec?

-Kanrabat- wrote:Sigh, when the hell Generations Doubledealer will be released in Quebec?

here in alberta we JUST got rhinox and his case mate was sandstorm (which i thought was going to be doubledealer). also just in, the waspinator/skids deluxe wave.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hey look its "not" brawn and "not" starscream !

Well, they're at least "not" G1, since Cloud is its own continuity.

So basically youre saying "cloud" is machine wars all over again ?

Rated X wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hey look its "not" brawn and "not" starscream !

Well, they're at least "not" G1, since Cloud is its own continuity.

So basically youre saying "cloud" is machine wars all over again ?

Huh? No. Machine Wars is a future version of some form of G1, while Cloud is set in some higher dimensional non-G1 world called Cloud World.

In this image, you can see G1 Optimus (from the cartoon) on the left, and Cloud Optimus on the right, with both existing as separate individuals from each other (and all the other Autobots are the G1 cartoon characters like G1 Optimus).



The reason we see the two together is because Cloud Optimus and Cloud Megatron (who is likewise a different guy from G1 Megatron) shifted their battle from Cloud World into the world of the (Japanese) G1 cartoon.

I'm iffy on the exact details surrounding this because the stories still haven't been translated into English yet, and Google Translate is useless in this case.

Can't we just say it's a different G1 universe and be done with it? Also-

Is Megs holding a human or a paintbrush there?

Shadowstream wrote:Can't we just say it's a different G1 universe and be done with it?

That's like saying Armada or Animated are different a G1 universe, so no, we can't.

Shadowstream wrote:Also-

Is Megs holding a human or a paintbrush there?

Neither. It's SARA.



Another shot of G1 Optimus and Cloud Optimus together, btw.

No matter how its sugarcoated with the addition of a continuity, the bottom line is its a lazy way to milk molds and sell repaints. Just like machine wars and shattered glass. They can draw anything in a comic based upon a mold and call it official fiction.

Rated X wrote:They can draw anything in a comic based upon a mold and call it official fiction.

Are you trying to claim that comic books don't count as official fiction?

This isn't even a comic, anyway.

Rated X wrote:No matter how its sugarcoated with the addition of a continuity, the bottom line is its a lazy way to milk molds and sell repaints. Just like machine wars and shattered glass. They can draw anything in a comic based upon a mold and call it official fiction.

As the GDO series wasn't available in Japan and this line is using molds skipped in the Japanese Generations line, I'd like to view it as "importing molds" as Hasbro has done at times. Namely, with these:

- BotCon 2001 Tigatron (Beast Wars Metals X-9 Jaguar)
- Universe 2003 Nemesis Prime (Beast Wars Neo C-35 Big Convoy)
- Universe 2003 Overbite (Beast Wars II D-23 Hellscream)
- Energon Optimus Prime vs. Megatron (Deluxe and Ultra Class molds respectively)
- BotCon 2012 Scrap Iron (United Scrapheap)
- TFCC Ultra Mammoth (see Nemesis Prime)
- TFCC Rewind (United UN-20 Rumble & Frenzy)
- TFCC Thrustinator (Beast Wars II D-24 Dirgegun)

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:They can draw anything in a comic based upon a mold and call it official fiction.

Are you trying to claim that comic books don't count as official fiction?

This isn't even a comic, anyway.

All im dsaying is its a line of repaints. They all come from the same factory whether they are made for US, japan, euorpe, or the rest of asia. The whole continuity thing is just an afterthought to make the repaints more marketable to collectors. Most collectors buy online anyways.

Rated X wrote:No matter how its sugarcoated with the addition of a continuity, the bottom line is its a lazy way to milk molds and sell repaints.

Just like G1 Transformers were a lazy way to milk a bunch of existing toys and sell repaints of them.

Rated X wrote: The whole continuity thing is just an afterthought to make the repaints more marketable to collectors.

Sort of like how the entire Transformers fiction universe was created by a marketing team to make a bunch of repaints of unrelated Japanese toys more marketable to Americans.

Rated X wrote:All im dsaying is its a line of repaints.

Yeah, repaints of remolds Japan never got (minus Optimus). These may not be new to us, but they're new to them.

You, me, everyone in the U.S., we're not the audience that this line is intended for.

It's not even a mass retail line, so what does it matter if Takara does some small time repaints on the side of their bigger main projects?


And in case you don't remember, the original Transformers: Universe toyline that ran from 2003-2006 (before the Classics toyline ever began) was line comprising entirely of repaints. Not a single new mold was to be found in that line*, and yet it was successful to last a whopping four years (today's toylines get lucky if they manage to last for even three years).


* - Though, there were originally two new Dinobot molds (Grimlock and Swoop) that were created for that line, but they instead were sold in the Transformers: Energon line, keeping the original Universe line nothing but repaints.









To anyone other than X reading this post, I haven't forgotten about Aveo Swerve, but he wasn't a mass retail figure, and was a whole different mess of a case on his own.

And I know about the rebranded toys that came after 2007, but I'm speaking strictly of the line in regards to the toys that were made just for it, rather than the other lines' toys that it took into it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:All im dsaying is its a line of repaints.

Yeah, repaints of remolds Japan never got (minus Optimus). These may not be new to us, but they're new to them.

You, me, everyone in the U.S., we're not the audience that this line is intended for.

The whole "Japan never got that mold" concept is getting kind of silly. Almost all serious collectors of Takara figures buy their stuff online. This seems to render the term "Japanese Exclusive" pointless. For every "Cloud" figure that gets sold in a Japanese hobby shop, ten probaly get sold online to collectors from US, Canada, Euorpe, etc. I think a more fitting name would be "Online Exclusive". I just think it's silly to say "Japan never got that mold" when half of the collectors in Japan probaly obtained it online from BBTS or TF Source. Unless they are taling about Japanese kids not getting that mold in toy stores ? But $100 a figure, I dont think the target of the Cloud line is kids walking into an Asian toy store.

Rated X wrote:The whole "Japan never got that mold" concept is getting kind of silly. Almost all serious collectors of Takara figures buy their stuff online. This seems to render the term "Japanese Exclusive" pointless.

The phrase "Japan never got that mold" means "TakaraTomy never officially released it in Japan domestically". The Japanese collectors who would have bought them online would have had to import the Hasbro versions, which isn't the same thing as TakaraTomy releasing them over there themselves.

American collectors say the same thing about things that Hasbro hasn't released in the U.S., and their getting them online isn't the same thing as Hasbro releasing them over here themselves.

Rated X wrote:I just think it's silly to say "Japan never got that mold" when half of the collectors in Japan probaly obtained it online from BBTS or TF Source.

Do BBTS or TF Source have Japanese branches? If not, then any Japanese collector would be far wiser to give their money to a more local online retailer like Hobbylink Japan or Red Mercury instead of the more expensive (for the Japanese) American websites.

Rated X wrote:Unless they are taling about Japanese kids not getting that mold in toy stores ? But $100 a figure, I dont think the target of the Cloud line is kids walking into an Asian toy store.

The $100 price comes from the American online retailers importing the figures from Japan to sell to us. For Japanese collectors to purchase either of these domestically would cost them about $50-$60 instead.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:The whole "Japan never got that mold" concept is getting kind of silly. Almost all serious collectors of Takara figures buy their stuff online. This seems to render the term "Japanese Exclusive" pointless.

The phrase "Japan never got that mold" means "TakaraTomy never officially released it in Japan domestically". The Japanese collectors who would have bought them online would have had to import the Hasbro versions, which isn't the same thing as TakaraTomy releasing them over there themselves.

American collectors say the same thing about things that Hasbro hasn't released in the U.S., and their getting them online isn't the same thing as Hasbro releasing them over here themselves.

Rated X wrote:I just think it's silly to say "Japan never got that mold" when half of the collectors in Japan probaly obtained it online from BBTS or TF Source.

Do BBTS or TF Source have Japanese branches? If not, then any Japanese collector would be far wiser to give their money to a more local online retailer like Hobbylink Japan or Red Mercury instead of the more expensive (for the Japanese) American websites.

Rated X wrote:Unless they are taling about Japanese kids not getting that mold in toy stores ? But $100 a figure, I dont think the target of the Cloud line is kids walking into an Asian toy store.

The $100 price comes from the American online retailers importing the figures from Japan to sell to us. For Japanese collectors to purchase either of these domestically would cost them about $50-$60 instead.

My point is that at the click of a button, anyone living anywhere can buy any mold. I think anybody in japan who relished the ROTF Bludgon mold that much didnt have a hard time obtaining the original Bludgon toy. Walmart couldnt give those damn tanks away for like 6 months. China and Japan didnt need GDO or Cloud lines to get hold of that mold. Thats why I say its not about any demographic market, its just about milking the mold. Maybe ten years ago before the internet was big, The term "exclusives" would be Meaningful. Now it just means a repaint you buy online. Maybe a handful of hobby shops in japan sell the cloud line to walk in customers. Even at the $50 to 60 price, its not exactly a kids toy line like the hasbro versions. You probably wont find them in mainstream japanese toy stores that cater to younger kids, just hobby shops. Here in my city, I havent seen a hobby shop in 15 years. The internet destroyed those kind of small businesses.

Rated X wrote:My point is that at the click of a button, anyone living anywhere can buy any mold.

Yet, not everyone wants to pay import prices.

Rated X wrote:I think anybody in japan who relished the ROTF Bludgon mold that much didnt have a hard time obtaining the original Bludgon toy.

Japan did get ROTF Bludgeon, but not the Megatron version of it from Generations GDO. That's what's new about this for them.

Rated X wrote:Maybe ten years ago before the internet was big, The term "exclusives" would be Meaningful. Now it just means a repaint you buy online that maybe a handful of hobby shops in japan sell to walk in customers.

Again, not everyone is able to pay import prices, or is willing to spend hundreds of dollars on something they could get for a lot cheaper if it were a given a domestic mass retail release.

That's one of the two major differences between an exclusive and a non-exclusive: The price. The other difference is the availability, as the numbers of exclusives are generally far more limited when compared to a non-exclusive. The wider the availability, the lower the price, and the lower the price, the easier the toy is to obtain. And for the Japanese, these Cloud toys are probably more appealing to them in that regard than their foreign counterparts released by Hasbro.

e-Hobby has tweeted a new image of Transformers Cloud TFC-D02 Starscream. This image compares him to his original G1 and recent Transformers Generations Legends figures. The Cloud figure itself is a repaint of the Transformers Generations Voyager Doubledealer mold with the inclusion Masterpiece Starscream's Null Rays. He is being offered exclusively through e-Hobby and will be released along TFC-A02 Brawn, who is a repaint/remold of the Transformers Prime First Edition Voyager Bulkhead mold available exclusively through the TakaraTomy Mall. Check out the new image mirrored below:

I like it - the colors are just so blindingly vibrant, and the mold does work surprisingly well.

I'm still wondering why people think this mold doesn't work for Starscream.
For an alternate universe Starscream, this mold is very fitting.

I concur, it's one of those "so crazy it works" ideas that genuinely does work.

It's a good homage, but I don't have any interest in it.

So many things work so well about this redeco as Starscream, but beyond all the details, the figure is just nifty. I want it in my collection.

Mkall wrote:It's a good homage, but I don't have any interest in it.

Ditto!

Take that legends starscream and turn it into a deluxe or voyager class figure. Starscream cloud =ez pass for me

G1 SS has a painted face?

fenrir72 wrote:G1 SS has a painted face?

Nope, and that's the TFC reissue by the way, who also didn't have a painted face.