Official Images Titans Returns Astrotrain and Ravage

Ravage is a cell phone! A new Hotline Bling joke for my thread.

Now Astrotrain needs some paint. He's naked, Takara cover him up!

I love how Primey that little Titan Master's head sculpt is.

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Might wanna fix the news post, as it says that Darkmoon is a straight repaint of Infinitus, and that Ravage is a straight repaint of Stripes (he has a new head, kinda like how the official images got Rumble's Frenzy's head wrong).

The robot mode of Darkmoon is a straight Sentinel repaint, and Ravage is shown here to be a straight repaint of Stripes, head and all.

I'm talking about Astrotrain's face. That's certainly new tooling.
Also:

Ravage and Crashbash.jpg

Look at this and tell me Ravage doesn't have a new head.

You should read his post more carefully:

Hellscream9999 wrote:[...], while Ravage is an all black retool of Legends class Stripes. It is important to note, that the render shows Ravage as repaint of Stripes, the prototype shown at the toyfair has a new head. [...]

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Might wanna fix the news post, as it says that Darkmoon is a straight repaint of Infinitus, and that Ravage is a straight repaint of Stripes (he has a new head, kinda like how the official images got Rumble's Frenzy's head wrong).

The robot mode of Darkmoon is a straight Sentinel repaint, and Ravage is shown here to be a straight repaint of Stripes, head and all.

I'm talking about Astrotrain's face. That's certainly new tooling.
Also:

Ravage and Crashbash.jpg

Look at this and tell me Ravage doesn't have a new head.

Hellscream9999 wrote:[...], while Ravage is an all black retool of Legends class Stripes. It is important to note, that the render shows Ravage as repaint of Stripes, the prototype shown at the toyfair has a new head. [...]

Two points:
1: That comment was in response to D-max, who (you actually quoted this line) said that Ravage was a straight repaint.
2: I'm pretty sure that the edit to the news post was made after I posted that comment.

Autobot N wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Might wanna fix the news post, as it says that Darkmoon is a straight repaint of Infinitus, and that Ravage is a straight repaint of Stripes (he has a new head, kinda like how the official images got Rumble's Frenzy's head wrong).

The robot mode of Darkmoon is a straight Sentinel repaint, and Ravage is shown here to be a straight repaint of Stripes, head and all.

I'm talking about Astrotrain's face. That's certainly new tooling.
Also:

Ravage and Crashbash.jpg

Look at this and tell me Ravage doesn't have a new head.

Hellscream9999 wrote:[...], while Ravage is an all black retool of Legends class Stripes. It is important to note, that the render shows Ravage as repaint of Stripes, the prototype shown at the toyfair has a new head. [...]

Two points:
1: That comment was in response to D-max, who (you actually quoted this line) said that Ravage was a straight repaint.
2: I'm pretty sure that the edit to the news post was made after I posted that comment.

Yes, due to many technical difficulties, my post that had that info got devoured, and I had to rewrite parts of it. And I still maintain that Darkmoon is a repaint

I didn't realize that Ravage had a different head between the official image and the toy fair image, so sorry about that. and Yes the news post was edited during these conversations. And ok, the headmaster was retooled, but the actual large robot face was the part retooled, the headmaster robot mode was not retooled

Can it be? A rendering in an honest-to-goodness COOL pose? What is this madness?

Hellscream9999 wrote:Yes, due to many technical difficulties, my post that had that info got devoured, and I had to rewrite parts of it.

Gotcha.

Hellscream9999 wrote:And I still maintain that Darkmoon is a repaint

Fair enough, but I thought I would point it out for those that don't share your opinion.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I didn't realize that Ravage had a different head between the official image and the toy fair image, so sorry about that. and Yes the news post was edited during these conversations. And ok, the headmaster was retooled, but the actual large robot face was the part retooled, the headmaster robot mode was not retooled

All is well, just wanted to point that out.

I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

I like the robot mode very much the Shuttle mode isn't fantastic but gains a few brownie points for having a resemblance to a pre-existing vintage Takara Brave toy I guess.

Ravage is OK I guess - the addition of a set of 3rd party rockets will help a lot I guess.

Ultimately I don't have many issues with the design of the Titans Return toys - I do remain wary of the likely high pricing though.

As it stands I'm almost back to being like it was in the Galaxy Force Period - in that it's not worth me buying the Western toys when the Japanese ones cost the same sort of money and have a lot more paint on them or other reasons to prioritise them (like unique accessories in the case of the Headmasters).

Oh and sorry Hasbro but I've decided I don't care what you call them I'm going to call them Headmasters regardless - unless the cartoon persuades me otherwise. If it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck - it's a duck.

Rar, the unique accessories you get with the takara stuff you can buy on their own with the right titanmaster to go with it (call them what you want but ill stick to the official name thanks) as it stands, crash bash will likely look a bit weird from takara as it doesn't come with the titan master which properly forms his lower jaws

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

I like the robot mode very much the Shuttle mode isn't fantastic but gains a few brownie points for having a resemblance to a pre-existing vintage Takara Brave toy I guess.

Yes, the need to have the headmaster sit in a compartment completely ruins the train mode and the proportions it was goin' for (just look at those tiny doors and walkways - that is an astrotrain that can carry devs )

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

RAR wrote:As it stands I'm almost back to being like it was in the Galaxy Force Period - in that it's not worth me buying the Western toys when the Japanese ones cost the same sort of money and have a lot more paint on them or other reasons to prioritise them (like unique accessories in the case of the Headmasters).

You don't get unique accessories. Just bundles with Titanmaster vehicles without their Titanmasters which makes them kinda incomplete like ZeroWolf already said.
And they have different headsculpts.
I'll stick with the releases this time because I don't like the Takara headsculpts and I want the seperate Titanmasters.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

I like the robot mode very much the Shuttle mode isn't fantastic but gains a few brownie points for having a resemblance to a pre-existing vintage Takara Brave toy I guess.

Yes, the need to have the headmaster sit in a compartment completely ruins the train mode and the proportions it was goin' for (just look at those tiny doors and walkways - that is an astrotrain that can carry devs )

What are "devs"?

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

I like the robot mode very much the Shuttle mode isn't fantastic but gains a few brownie points for having a resemblance to a pre-existing vintage Takara Brave toy I guess.

Yes, the need to have the headmaster sit in a compartment completely ruins the train mode and the proportions it was goin' for (just look at those tiny doors and walkways - that is an astrotrain that can carry devs )

What are "devs"?

Devs, the generally accepted shorthand for devastator, referencing the '86 movie where he's chillin' all up in Astrotrain, because, screw physics, or something

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

So when they change modes the Titanmasters appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere?!
I like it a bit more realistic. And please no comparissons now what else isn't realistic in the Transformers universe.

And you can store the HFGs in the vehicle modes.

i still find it stupid as to why Ravage turns into a bird!

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

So when they change modes the Titanmasters appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere?!
I like it a bit more realistic. And please no comparissons now what else isn't realistic in the Transformers universe.

And you can store the HFGs in the vehicle modes.

Only some of them can look good while doing so. I'm just saying the full on compartment look kinda ruins a lot fo the figures, I mean, look at how megs stands on galvatrons cannon mode, they could've done something akin to that. I dunno man, my problem is that it just really ruins the train look, and that saddens me

Stuartmaximus wrote:i still find it stupid as to why Ravage turns into a bird!

It's not a bird, it's clearly a jet mode

They all conform to the same specifications: a tablet mode, a vehicle mode, and a 'beast'/bot mode

Stuartmaximus wrote:i still find it stupid as to why Ravage turns into a bird!

Jet, so he is a triple changer who can get around on his own, like how others have tank or taser-skateboard extra modes

& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

now what was it a while back that one of the staff said on this thread

ah.....yes.....that there wouldn't hardly BE any repaints in this line.

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

Stripes IS Steeljaw, just renamed. I guess they did that because the new Steeljaw is a Decepticon (since AoE).

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

now what was it a while back that one of the staff said on this thread

ah.....yes.....that there wouldn't hardly BE any repaints in this line.

As was pointed out earlier to my mistake, Ravage does have a new head despite what the 3D rendering says, as Rumble did.

And yes, there are fewer repaints in this line, but you seem to be missing a big point about the cassetticons and bots: they all share about 3 molds with different heads in some cases. So this argument is invalid, as these guys are supposed to be this much alike. Also, if you look at the larger figures, so far we are running pretty good with repaints/retools. Yes there are some, but we have some good molds coming out and some of the cases actually make sense too.

So don't go bashing about there being repaints. they happen. Many of the characters being done in the legends like are and always have been repaints/retools.

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

So, I'm guessing you didn't read the part in the news article (and later in the thread for that matter) where I specifically drew attention to the fact that the render uses the incorrect head, and that the new head had already been seen in the Australian Toyfair pics

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

RAR wrote:I wish they'd found way to flatten the train mode more in the middle the large tower in the middle is a bit odd looking to me.

It's the Titanmaster's cockpit so there's not much they could have changed.

They could have not included it, I don't think there's any figure that looks better with the cockpit

And where would you put the Titanmasters?

And another thing: I can't see much or any more paint apps on the Takara versions.

Dunno, like guns (since few attachment points look any good) or the hfg from the cw line, you could just put them aside. Not ideal, but a feasible answer.

So when they change modes the Titanmasters appear from nowhere and disappear into nowhere?!
I like it a bit more realistic. And please no comparissons now what else isn't realistic in the Transformers universe.

And you can store the HFGs in the vehicle modes.

Only some of them can look good while doing so. I'm just saying the full on compartment look kinda ruins a lot fo the figures, I mean, look at how megs stands on galvatrons cannon mode, they could've done something akin to that. I dunno man, my problem is that it just really ruins the train look, and that saddens me

To me Megs/Nucleon just standing on the cannon mode is just dumb. And I like the train mode very much how it is. To me the cockpit ruins the shuttle mode. It makes it look a bit like a Stardestroyer from SW.

Stuartmaximus wrote:now what was it a while back that one of the staff said on this thread

ah.....yes.....that there wouldn't hardly BE any repaints in this line.

No, hasbro said there would be repaints only where logical (and probably at least 2 per mold)

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:& you miss the fact that Ravage is just a repainted Stripes render! & it'll no doubt be repainted again....for Steeljaw

Stripes IS Steeljaw, just renamed. I guess they did that because the new Steeljaw is a Decepticon (since AoE).

ok....my mistake

but there ARE quite a few repaints in this line

another example....Darkmoon is a repaint of Infinitus.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Only some of them can look good while doing so. I'm just saying the full on compartment look kinda ruins a lot fo the figures, I mean, look at how megs stands on galvatrons cannon mode, they could've done something akin to that. I dunno man, my problem is that it just really ruins the train look, and that saddens me

To me Megs/Nucleon just standing on the cannon mode is just dumb. And I like the train mode very much how it is. To me the cockpit ruins the shuttle mode. It makes it look a bit like a Stardestroyer from SW.

Well, at least it makes sense on the ship mode, but man, I hope Cybertron was built without tunnels, otherwise, that won't end well

Stuartmaximus wrote:but there ARE quite a few repaints in this line

another example....Darkmoon is a repaint of Infinitus.

Just like any other figure, the head (or in this case headmaster) is tied to the mold of the figure, just like how the hfg's were tied to specific cw figures

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:but there ARE quite a few repaints in this line

another example....Darkmoon is a repaint of Infinitus.

Just like any other figure, the head (or in this case headmaster) is tied to the mold of the figure, just like how the hfg's were tied to specific cw figures

And these are guys who have not been headmasters before, so there is no specific look they need to try to live up to

well....we're probably going to get over saturated with those!

as was the case with CW

Stuartmaximus wrote:well....we're probably going to get over saturated with those!

as was the case with CW

If you look at the massive amount of heads that we will be getting with figures and individually, we will have a very large amount already. Having some look like others is not a bad thing, especially when there are so many different figures. And the little robots mode's arent the big draw: the actual head mode is

& then you're got Astrotrain retooled from Sentinel Prime, Blurr retooled into Brainstorm, then the Blaster/Soundwave retool/repaints

Hasbro isn't exactly winning any awards for originality

Stuartmaximus wrote:& then you're got Astrotrain retooled from Sentinel Prime, Blurr retooled into Brainstorm, then the Blaster/Soundwave retool/repaints

Hasbro isn't exactly winning any awards for originality

But again remember: Blaster and Soundwave share a very similar alt mode and robot modes, so that one makes sense. Blurr and Brainstorm are heavy retools from one another, and we already have an original Brainstorm from Thrilling 30. Astrotrain was the intention and we got a bonus Sentinel Prime for the first time from that mold. And so far we have 7 revealed deluxes with only 1 retool, 4 voyagers with only 1 retool, and 3 leaders, 2 of which are retools, and the retools (save Astrotrain) are all fairly extensive. Overall, we are running about average when compared to Thrilling 30, generations, and previous lines.

ok....granted that this Blaster & Soundwave share the same mold

but

they didn't necessarily HAVE to go that route

coz look back at the G1 figures(Blaster/Soundwave).....those never shared the same mold

They did not, which is true, but ever since they have. They are very similar and as a result don't need new molds. some retooling is all it takes most of the time for the 2 guys.

Anyone else get the feeling that Astrotrain's shuttle mode looks kinda... upside-down?


Also, to whoever said that Stripes and Steeljaw are the same guy, no they are not. Steeljaw's a lion, Stripes is a tiger.

Yeah . . . . I'm seein' a whole lotta nope here. I'm still clinging to the hope Blaster/Soundwave are be worth it, but that Astrotrain has 'PASS' written all over it. I wasn't all that crazy about the HeadTargetPowermasters when they first came out, so these remakes really aren't getting me excited. Looks like I'll be saving my money this year.

I can't help but notice that your being intentionally combative tonight stu, trying to make mountains out of many, many molehills.

So far we've got the same amount of repaints as any other line in the franchises history, and as far as the heads go, they are more akin to accessories then anything else so who cares that they look the same? Only so much detail you could do at that size.

Also end of the day, hasbro is a business, ever thought they may think it's too risky to have no repaints or re tools of any kind in a line? They are in the business to profit, not lose money.

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that Astrotrain's shuttle mode looks kinda... upside-down?

Definitely not.

Sabrblade wrote:Also, to whoever said that Stripes and Steeljaw are the same guy, no they are not. Steeljaw's a lion, Stripes is a tiger.

They are both cats and there are enough examples of characters where they changed the alt mode a bit.

yes but my point being is....back in the day (the 80's) we were getting new & original figures! ok ok....with the exception of the Diaclone line....which those were ported over to....or renamed as Transformers(Optimus, Jazz ect) but a lot....& i do mean a LOT of figures going forward from then, were all original! no repaints/remolds ect, & now jump forward to today....& Hasbro is like...."oh! let's take this existing mold, repaint it, retool it & release it as Mr Flibbily Flobbily) but you get my point....there's just not as much originality anymore, which is a shame, coming from the same company that gave us all those original figures all those years ago

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that Astrotrain's shuttle mode looks kinda... upside-down?

Definitely not.

The wings are placed on the top of the shuttle's body rather than on the bottom where they would normally be on a shuttle.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Also, to whoever said that Stripes and Steeljaw are the same guy, no they are not. Steeljaw's a lion, Stripes is a tiger.

They are both cats and there are enough examples of characters where they changed the alt mode a bit.

Stripes was created as a new character by Takara in 2012, originating from an early draft of the 1986 movie in which his role was replaced by Ramhorn in the completed film. He is not a case of Hasbro renaming a preexisting classic character.

You must also remember that prices have sky rocketed since then and that todays transformers have multiple times more movable parts, so they are designed more expensive and are made of more expensive materials. So it cannot be as it was since the designs have outstripped having a proper price for every new mold.

Original figures. ..In g1?

I didn't realise how much of a comedian you were stu, wouldn't open with it though.

Let's see, the seeker trio, repaints then followed up by the cone heads who were re tools. Rumble and frenzy, repaints.

On the Autobot side, prowl and bluestreak? Ironhide and Rachet? Sideswipe and Red Alert?

I'll give you that later years stopped with the repaints but things change, businesses change, economies change. Stop judging today by yesterday's standards (especially if yesterday was over thirty years ago)

& you need to stop attacking me every time i have an opinion! funny how it's only ME you seem to attack!

oh....& is there something wrong with the past? coz if it wasn't for the past...we wouldn't HAVE transformers today

We are not arguing about the past. What we are saying is that there are new rules and standards today, hence more retools and repaints, and this line so far is showing that it is handling the amount of those at an average rate compared to past lines.

I'm digging that Astrotrain retool/repaint from Sentinel Prime. However, I think I'll wait for the inevitable Takara version with a more cartoon accurate color scheme.

Although I'm pleased to finally have a voyager sized Astrotrain for "Classics," I'm not going to get rid of my "Decepticons: Specialist" version of Astrotrain any time soon. I'm slowly warming to the idea of earlier G1 characters getting "upgrades" as combiners or headmasters, but I still want to have versions that are "gimmickless" in that regard as well. For instance, I love the Autobot cars combiners, but I still use the earlier "non-combiner" renditions from Classics/Universe/Generations/Whatever for my displays. However, Titans Return Astrotrain may be the one that gets put in my main Classics display, if only due to better scaling, but that deluxe Classics mold will always stay in reserve in case I change my mind.

It would be nice if they had chosen a different robot form for "Darkmoon" instead of "Infinitus." He just looks too much like Optimus Prime. With how interchangeable the Titan Master Robots and the "Transtector" robot faces on their backs seem to be, I feel like a better solution couldn't have been that hard for Hasbro to figure out.

Sabrblade wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone else get the feeling that Astrotrain's shuttle mode looks kinda... upside-down?

Definitely not.

The wings are placed on the top of the shuttle's body rather than on the bottom where they would normally be on a shuttle.

When was the last time you saw a shuttle?