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Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack

Thursday, September 18th, 2014 9:57AM CDT

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As the Takara Tomy mall website updates, more figures are revealed from the Lost Age line (the Takara version of the Hasbro 'simplified' Age of Extinction figures). Check out below official images for LA-15 Grimlock (Power Battlers), LA-16 Slug (Power Battlers), LA-17 Snarl (Power Battlers), LA-18 Galvatron (Power Battlers), and LA-SP a multi-pack of One-Step figures including Silver Knight Optimus Prime, Galvatron, Slug, and helicopter Drift.

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP

Transformers News: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP
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Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607207)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 18th, 2014 @ 10:15am CDT
Wait, I only have up to LA13 Nemesis Prime, who's LA14? :shock:
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607210)
Posted by Lockdownhunter on September 18th, 2014 @ 10:30am CDT
OOOO, LOVE THAT SNARL AND GALVATRON.GRIMLOCK HAS AN ARM CARRYING A MACE FOR A TAIL,LOL :lol:
LOVING THE POWER ATTACKERS SO FAR.ALSO LOVE THE NEMESIS PRIME VERSION OF POWER BATTLER OPTIMUS PRIME.IRONICALLY, POWER BATTLERS OPTIMUS AND GALVATRON HAVE NO BACKPACK KIBBLE BUT THEIR LEADERAND VOYAGER COUNTERPARTS ARE KIBBLETASTIC. WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON???
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607217)
Posted by Noideaforaname on September 18th, 2014 @ 11:15am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:This figure is no different from the decos of the other Lost Age Series toys.

*sees the others* I didn't know they were doing a whole line of them. Huh...

(Granted I'm totally lost on the whole AoE business. Grabbed Kreon Lockdown and Galvy, saw no Cyberverse, and just ignored everything else)
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607224)
Posted by Siger on September 18th, 2014 @ 11:50am CDT
Lockdownhunter wrote:OOOO, LOVE THAT SNARL AND GALVATRON.GRIMLOCK HAS AN ARM CARRYING A MACE FOR A TAIL,LOL :lol:
LOVING THE POWER ATTACKERS SO FAR.ALSO LOVE THE NEMESIS PRIME VERSION OF POWER BATTLER OPTIMUS PRIME.IRONICALLY, POWER BATTLERS OPTIMUS AND GALVATRON HAVE NO BACKPACK KIBBLE BUT THEIR LEADERAND VOYAGER COUNTERPARTS ARE KIBBLETASTIC. WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON???

Why all caps? Get off the PCP, it's not good for you! I like the Galvatron, looks better than the voyager one IMO.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607240)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 18th, 2014 @ 1:02pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wait, I only have up to LA13 Nemesis Prime, who's LA14? :shock:

http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810822158/
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607254)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 18th, 2014 @ 1:27pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wait, I only have up to LA13 Nemesis Prime, who's LA14? :shock:

http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810822158/


Thank you dear.

So "LA14 Battle Command Optimus Prime & Bumblebee Strongest Tag Set" eh? Tag as in tag-team I bet. :)
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607264)
Posted by Evil Eye on September 18th, 2014 @ 1:59pm CDT
Sorry Takara, even your wonderful paintjobs and hilarious adverts can't make me like these.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607276)
Posted by thedistinctroom on September 18th, 2014 @ 2:50pm CDT
Why? Oh, why do these things exist? Is there really a market for these?
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607283)
Posted by Zeek99g on September 18th, 2014 @ 3:09pm CDT
Why is there 372 written on Grimlock's left shoulder? :-?
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607305)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 18th, 2014 @ 4:32pm CDT
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I LOVE that Galvatron! I'm looking forward to find him in stores. Unfortunately, it wont have that great paint job, but that mold look just fantastic. I'm buying for sure.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607311)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 18th, 2014 @ 4:57pm CDT
Zeek99g wrote:Why is there 372 written on Grimlock's left shoulder? :-?


It's molded in, and most likely an mold ID number.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607337)
Posted by ausbot on September 18th, 2014 @ 7:07pm CDT
I like this version of the dinobots but only a G1 color make over would totally sell me on them.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607366)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 18th, 2014 @ 10:05pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wait, I only have up to LA13 Nemesis Prime, who's LA14? :shock:

http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810822158/


Thank you dear.

So "LA14 Battle Command Optimus Prime & Bumblebee Strongest Tag Set" eh? Tag as in tag-team I bet. :)


Aww man. If I knew this set was coming I would've waited.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607383)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 18th, 2014 @ 11:21pm CDT
thedistinctroom wrote:Why? Oh, why do these things exist? Is there really a market for these?
Apparently so. This is the main line for the movie in Japan, branded under the movie's name for its label, with the Movie Advanced Series being the secondary line.

Get a load of how Takara's marketing it:

Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607428)
Posted by Va'al on September 19th, 2014 @ 6:40am CDT
And in further Takara Tomy Transformers news, here are a couple of images of their version of Age of Extinction Generations Voyager Slog: Movie Advanced AD-29 Slog! You can compare the Takara deco to the Hasbro one by checking out the Seibertron.com gallery of the latter to the pictures mirrored below.


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Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607478)
Posted by MarkNL on September 19th, 2014 @ 9:57am CDT
Very nice.
I love the G1 dinobots, but I like these spikey dinobots very much as well.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607545)
Posted by Siger on September 19th, 2014 @ 1:41pm CDT
I have slog and really like his mold. Just be careful with his dino-head when transforming into bot mode. The sliver paint on the nose got rubbed off a little bit on mine because I tried to press it too much into the back.

Other than that, I really enjoy this bruiser dinobot in both modes. Better than Grimlock IMO.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607778)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on September 20th, 2014 @ 11:02pm CDT
A flyer that was included with the newly released LA-13 Battle Attack Nemesis Prime includes our first color look at AD-31 Armor Knight Optimus Prime. The images are thanks to Autobase Aichi. This is a heavily retooled version of the Age of Extinction Leader Class Optimus Prime. The retool includes a new head, chest, arms, weapons as well as a premium paint job.

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Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607785)
Posted by Lockdownhunter on September 21st, 2014 @ 12:10am CDT
At last, a almost show accurate OP withblack windows.Love the paint job
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607787)
Posted by Lockdownhunter on September 21st, 2014 @ 12:15am CDT
Finally, an almost show accurate optimus!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607794)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 21st, 2014 @ 12:58am CDT
Lockdownhunter wrote:At last, a almost show accurate OP withblack windows.Love the paint job

Lockdownhunter wrote:Finally, an almost show accurate optimus!


I heard ya the first time, you know. >:oP
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607798)
Posted by Burn on September 21st, 2014 @ 1:50am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Lockdownhunter wrote:At last, a almost show accurate OP withblack windows.Love the paint job

Lockdownhunter wrote:Finally, an almost show accurate optimus!


I heard ya the first time, you know. >:oP


Getting really tired of your sarcastic attitude towards other members, especially new ones. Great way to welcome them to the site.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607810)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 21st, 2014 @ 4:29am CDT
I have held off buying any version of the Leader Optimus mold to wait for the most movie-accurate version of the toy, and this could very well be what I'm looking for.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607815)
Posted by Lockdownhunter on September 21st, 2014 @ 6:31am CDT
Sorry,I accidentally typed 2 times. :oops: I was thinking about something,Kanrabat and, Burn, it was not really his fault.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607820)
Posted by Burn on September 21st, 2014 @ 6:38am CDT
Instead of posting your frustration (which is blatantly off-topic) just use the "Report this Post" button and a staff member will be able to delete your duplicate posts.

It happens now and then, sometimes the server gets laggy, go back and refresh and see if your post made it through. Don't keep hitting submit.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607822)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 21st, 2014 @ 7:00am CDT
I bought the standard version of AoE Leader Optimus, and payed the "TrU tax" (they sell their leaders 5$ more than everyone else for some reasons). That was 60$ plus taxes at TrU instead of 55$+tx at Walmart and Target. I really like it with all the paint aps he got, the chrome and the rubber tires. AoE Optimus feel already like a premium figure.

Still, When some in-hands images of this "upgraded" AoE Leader Optimus pop up I will take a look and see if this will be worth the possible 100$ shipped this thing will maybe cost. So far, it look very promising. I'll wait and see if it's worth it to buy the "same" expensive figure a second time.

BTW, I just wanted to make a joke with my previous coffe post, not be a jerk... please dont hit me!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607827)
Posted by Lockdownhunter on September 21st, 2014 @ 7:26am CDT
Thanks,Burn!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607832)
Posted by shajaki on September 21st, 2014 @ 8:09am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I have held off buying any version of the Leader Optimus mold to wait for the most movie-accurate version of the toy, and this could very well be what I'm looking for.
is everyone talking about AD-31? is that the proto we saw of the armored leader OP remold a while back?

tiny pic, but it looks promising.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607833)
Posted by TimothyR on September 21st, 2014 @ 8:10am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:I bought the standard version of AoE Leader Optimus, and payed the "TrU tax" (they sell their leaders 5$ more than everyone else for some reasons). That was 60$ plus taxes at TrU instead of 55$+tx at Walmart and Target. I really like it with all the paint aps he got, the chrome and the rubber tires. AoE Optimus feel already like a premium figure.

Still, When some in-hands images of this "upgraded" AoE Leader Optimus pop up I will take a look and see if this will be worth the possible 100$ shipped this thing will maybe cost. So far, it look very promising. I'll wait and see if it's worth it to buy the "same" expensive figure a second time.

BTW, I just wanted to make a joke with my previous coffe post, not be a jerk... please dont hit me!


TRU charges more because they're not like walmart or target who sell a much greater variety of items and get millions of more customers a year. so... that's why.

there is no way i'd spend $55 tax for the hasbro AOE leaders.. no chance in hell. that is just a straight up rip off.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607837)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 21st, 2014 @ 8:26am CDT
shajaki wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:I have held off buying any version of the Leader Optimus mold to wait for the most movie-accurate version of the toy, and this could very well be what I'm looking for.
is everyone talking about AD-31? is that the proto we saw of the armored leader OP remold a while back?

tiny pic, but it looks promising.


Sure is, formerly known as Ultimate Power Mode Optimus Prime, but now called Armor Knight Optimus Prime... Same as the Silver Knight in the 4-pack :lol:
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607838)
Posted by MightyMagnus78 on September 21st, 2014 @ 8:30am CDT
Undoubtedly this is the best version of AOE leader Prime so far, but for some reason I'm just not a fan of this mould. The engineering is just lacking for a leader class 'Generations' toy, in fact I'd argue that the AOE deluxe's are better engineered than this guy. And importing him to the UK ££££££££££££££! =;

Think I'll pass.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607839)
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on September 21st, 2014 @ 8:43am CDT
He also has newly molded feet also. I'd love to get this guy, but probably a bit too expensive. Hopefully they import the new molding
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607843)
Posted by Shockwave7 on September 21st, 2014 @ 9:17am CDT
Still the kibble-laden, awkward, nearly unposeable movie mold though.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607956)
Posted by Emerje on September 22nd, 2014 @ 1:44am CDT
How hard is it to make his word and shield silver/gray? :BANG_HEAD:

Emerje
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1607968)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 22nd, 2014 @ 7:05am CDT
Emerje wrote:How hard is it to make his word and shield silver/gray? :BANG_HEAD:

Emerje
But the sword and shield were reddish in the movie.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608005)
Posted by WiseMan on September 22nd, 2014 @ 11:24am CDT
Why is there yellow on his chest?!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608011)
Posted by Autobot032 on September 22nd, 2014 @ 11:42am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:
Emerje wrote:How hard is it to make his word and shield silver/gray? :BANG_HEAD:

Emerje
But the sword and shield were reddish in the movie.


Red accents against silver metal, that I remember. The blade of his sword and the expansion of the shield? I don't remember them being yellow, reddish yellow, orange, whatever color isn't being represented well on my PC's screen. I don't remember anything but silver and red on his shield ever, and most certainly not the sword.

I looked through the screen caps here on Seibertron and I see nothing to support this new change they've given the accessories.

EDIT: I stand corrected. The sword does indeed glow red when in battle, silver when not in use. I did not notice that before...

http://www.seibertron.com/live-action-f ... allery_nav

But in all of the pictures I've seen through the gallery (which is not all of them, I might add), I've yet to see the shield be this orangey reddish color. (I'm still looking.)
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608164)
Posted by Autobot032 on September 23rd, 2014 @ 12:01am CDT
Remember the Movie Trilogy line that was supposed to spin off of the Dark Of The Moon toyline? All those promised redecos and remolds that we saw at various panels, yet they never saw the light of day? Well, after nearly three years of waiting, Takara Tomy has made the existence of those figures, or at least some of them, possible.

Seibertron.com is proud to present our two newest Transformers galleries:

Movie Advanced AEON Exclusive Wheeljack and AD17 Darkside Soundwave

Wheeljack sports a G1 deco and a brand new head that looks like a mix of his G1 self and...the Matrix?? Sadly, all of the accessories have been stripped and it's just the figure, but at least the fans will finally get the figure they were hoping for.

Darkside Soundwave takes on a Soundblaster deco, and looks classy doing so. Again, still no accessories, but the figure rocks all on it's own. At first glance, it looks like Soundwave took a dip in a vat of ink, but the black does look good on him and the silver paint apps bring the rest of the look together to sweeten the deal.

You can click on the pictures below to be taken to each figure's full gallery. While you're there, check out our galleries of the original molds, DOTM Wheeljack/Que and DOTM Soundwave.

Takara Tomy: Movie Advanced Wheeljack

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Takara Tomy: Movie Advanced Darkside Soundwave

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Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608193)
Posted by BERSEKAEL on September 23rd, 2014 @ 2:41am CDT
Now that is a good wheeljack!!!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608214)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 23rd, 2014 @ 7:30am CDT
Of note is how this Wheeljack doesn't quite have the same deco as the unreleased Movie Trilogy Series version does, as that one's deco was only somewhat G1-inspired, while this one is more directly G1-inspired.

Compare:
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Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608219)
Posted by dragons on September 23rd, 2014 @ 8:01am CDT
nice gallerie I was expecting to see prime standing behind wheeljack try open his head from animated matrix movie
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608220)
Posted by TimothyR on September 23rd, 2014 @ 8:07am CDT
it's funny.. takara can figure out a way to release these molds twice and hasbro couldn't get it out once.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608221)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 23rd, 2014 @ 8:09am CDT
TimothyR wrote:it's funny.. takara can figure out a way to release these molds twice and hasbro couldn't get it out once.
Different markets with different demands.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608241)
Posted by Madeus Prime on September 23rd, 2014 @ 10:11am CDT
Hm, you know, the head looks kinda weird, but the vehicle mode is perfect!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608243)
Posted by pie-man on September 23rd, 2014 @ 10:20am CDT
Hmmm.... it's great that they are releasing these figures again so that fans get another chance at picking them up.

I wonder if they'll also release Leadfoot. Now that was one I really wanted, but the prices on ebay were insane!!!
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608255)
Posted by welcometothedarksyde on September 23rd, 2014 @ 10:57am CDT
His head does totally look like the matrix :lol:
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608338)
Posted by MGrotusque on September 23rd, 2014 @ 6:02pm CDT
That is a WILD looking head sculpt for Wheeljack. :shock:

It needs to be on a different body though. That mold doesn't do it justice.
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608375)
Posted by shajaki on September 23rd, 2014 @ 10:26pm CDT
welcometothedarksyde wrote:His head does totally look like the matrix :lol:
did anyone else picture hotrod, holding wheeljack by the ears, trying to "light their darkest hour"? :lol:
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608536)
Posted by Legosrawsum on September 24th, 2014 @ 4:45pm CDT
I wonder why they don't have weapons ?
Re: Official Images - Takara Tomy Transformers Lost Age LA-15 to 18, LA-SP multipack (1608540)
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on September 24th, 2014 @ 5:15pm CDT
It is time for another Takara Tomy campaign promotion. The twist this time is instead of Microns, the campaign items are Legendary Weapons (or trophies if you will) that Lockdown has collected aboard his ship. The campaign runs similar to past Takara Tomy campaigns. You buy 3,000 or more yen of Transformers in a certain store you get one of these weapons while supplies last. Here is the full rundown.

Optimus Prime Axe- redeco of Beast Hunters Dreadwing axe available at Toys 'R' Us Japan

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Tricera Mace- redeco of Beast Hunters Deluxe Windrazor axe availability to be determined

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Spino Hammer- redeco of Beast Hunters Deluxe Twinstrike available at EDION, Best Denki toy counter, Yamada Denki toy counter, and Yodobashi Camera and others.

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Ptera Spear- redeco of Transformers Prime Knock out spear available at Bic Camera, Joshin Kids Land and Kojima Co., Ltd. toy counter

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