Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken
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Takara Tomy Mall have updated their site with preorders and official images for the next seacons to be released in the Generations Selects line. Those two are Lobclaw (Nautilator) And Kraken (Seawing). The images show them in robot mode, alt mode, arm mode, leg mode and weapon mode. Japanese collectors can preorder them together for 8,208 Yen ($77.32) or individually for 4,104 Yen ($38.66). These will not be available at Amazon Japan or any other Japanese retailer for cheaper.
US collector will be able to get them through Hasbro Pulse at $35 each but those preorders are not available yet.
They are scheduled to come out at the end February 2020.
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Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036626)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on September 2nd, 2019 @ 7:41am CDT
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on September 2nd, 2019 @ 7:41am CDT
Feel like I need to go look at my G1 Re-Issue... but those colors seem *way* off, or am I just crazy?
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036628)
Posted by Ballistic90 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 8:24am CDT
Posted by Ballistic90 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 8:24am CDT
I really like Nautilator's design. Even if he didn't combine i would be interested.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036635)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:06am CDT
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:06am CDT
These guys are knocking it out of the park! Just wish they were maybe $10 cheaper than they are, but otherwise I love the designs and even the colors
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036636)
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:10am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:10am CDT
See seawing I like, looks like a fantastic update but I'm not feeling nautilator. The gun mode isn't well done and the alt mode looks a bit wimpy.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036637)
Posted by william-james88 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:12am CDT
Same here and because of that...
Posted by william-james88 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:12am CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Just wish they were maybe $10 cheaper than they are
Same here and because of that...
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036638)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:14am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:14am CDT
For Lobclaw, at least, these images make his claws look like the same blue as his body, when they're actually a much lighter shade of blue than his more teal body, so as to make his beast mode more show-accurate to how his claws were light blue (instead of the toy's gray) in Masterforce.SpikeyTigertron wrote:Feel like I need to go look at my G1 Re-Issue... but those colors seem *way* off, or am I just crazy?
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036640)
Posted by sol magnus on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:28am CDT
Nautilator was always the Targetmaster on my G1 Piranacon, FYI.
Posted by sol magnus on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:28am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:See seawing I like, looks like a fantastic update but I'm not feeling nautilator. The gun mode isn't well done and the alt mode looks a bit wimpy.
Nautilator was always the Targetmaster on my G1 Piranacon, FYI.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036641)
Posted by Skritz on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:41am CDT
Posted by Skritz on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:41am CDT
Are those going to show up on TFsource too or am I going to have to dance around the preorder nightmares to get the full Seacon set?
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036643)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:58am CDT
It's best to keep 2 things in mind here
1. These are going for show accuracy rather than toy accuracy, so some things won't line up for that reason
2. the G1 reissue is also colored wrong
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on September 2nd, 2019 @ 9:58am CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:Feel like I need to go look at my G1 Re-Issue... but those colors seem *way* off, or am I just crazy?
It's best to keep 2 things in mind here
1. These are going for show accuracy rather than toy accuracy, so some things won't line up for that reason
2. the G1 reissue is also colored wrong
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036650)
Posted by william-james88 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 11:45am CDT
They will be sold wherever the previous seacons are also sold.
Posted by william-james88 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 11:45am CDT
Skritz wrote:Are those going to show up on TFsource too or am I going to have to dance around the preorder nightmares to get the full Seacon set?
They will be sold wherever the previous seacons are also sold.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036655)
Posted by Skritz on September 2nd, 2019 @ 12:38pm CDT
Okay good because I need my full seafood buffet.
Posted by Skritz on September 2nd, 2019 @ 12:38pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Skritz wrote:Are those going to show up on TFsource too or am I going to have to dance around the preorder nightmares to get the full Seacon set?
They will be sold wherever the previous seacons are also sold.
Okay good because I need my full seafood buffet.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036660)
Posted by Seibertron on September 2nd, 2019 @ 1:27pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on September 2nd, 2019 @ 1:27pm CDT
Sewing looks great but seems to have deviated the most from his original design. However, this entire set with all of their proper accessories and alt modes remain as the hands down without a doubt best Combiner Wars styled set to date. Sorry Devastator!
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036661)
Posted by Skritz on September 2nd, 2019 @ 1:41pm CDT
Seems the design team knew that, since they were all going to be extensive retools of molds with different transformation scheme anyway they figured these 'Combiner Wars' Seacons would be less of a 1:1 remake of the original toys and more of a re imagining. Which is fine as it still look like what its supposed to.
Posted by Skritz on September 2nd, 2019 @ 1:41pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Sewing looks great but seems to have deviated the most from his original design. However, this entire set with all of their proper accessories and alt modes remain as the hands down without a doubt best Combiner Wars styled set to date. Sorry Devastator!
Seems the design team knew that, since they were all going to be extensive retools of molds with different transformation scheme anyway they figured these 'Combiner Wars' Seacons would be less of a 1:1 remake of the original toys and more of a re imagining. Which is fine as it still look like what its supposed to.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036662)
Posted by Randomhero on September 2nd, 2019 @ 2:35pm CDT
-Looks over at Unite Warriors Computron, looks back at screen-
Debatable but to each his own.
Posted by Randomhero on September 2nd, 2019 @ 2:35pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Sewing looks great but seems to have deviated the most from his original design. However, this entire set with all of their proper accessories and alt modes remain as the hands down without a doubt best Combiner Wars styled set to date. Sorry Devastator!
-Looks over at Unite Warriors Computron, looks back at screen-
Debatable but to each his own.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036667)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on September 2nd, 2019 @ 4:25pm CDT
(Looks at my shelf containing my CW Computron, looks back at screen) I envy you
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on September 2nd, 2019 @ 4:25pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:Seibertron wrote:Sewing looks great but seems to have deviated the most from his original design. However, this entire set with all of their proper accessories and alt modes remain as the hands down without a doubt best Combiner Wars styled set to date. Sorry Devastator!
-Looks over at Unite Warriors Computron, looks back at screen-
Debatable but to each his own.
(Looks at my shelf containing my CW Computron, looks back at screen) I envy you
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036675)
Posted by william-james88 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 6:41pm CDT
I will always throw Grand Galvatron into the race. I just love that set.
Posted by william-james88 on September 2nd, 2019 @ 6:41pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:Seibertron wrote:Sewing looks great but seems to have deviated the most from his original design. However, this entire set with all of their proper accessories and alt modes remain as the hands down without a doubt best Combiner Wars styled set to date. Sorry Devastator!
-Looks over at Unite Warriors Computron, looks back at screen-
Debatable but to each his own.
I will always throw Grand Galvatron into the race. I just love that set.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036676)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 2nd, 2019 @ 7:43pm CDT
Superion pretty much nailed it too. There was a LOT to love about the Unite Warriors sets, honestly.
In other news, Hasbro Pulse just charged my card for my Reflector 3-pack preorder.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on September 2nd, 2019 @ 7:43pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Randomhero wrote:Seibertron wrote:Sewing looks great but seems to have deviated the most from his original design. However, this entire set with all of their proper accessories and alt modes remain as the hands down without a doubt best Combiner Wars styled set to date. Sorry Devastator!
-Looks over at Unite Warriors Computron, looks back at screen-
Debatable but to each his own.
I will always throw Grand Galvatron into the race. I just love that set.
Superion pretty much nailed it too. There was a LOT to love about the Unite Warriors sets, honestly.
In other news, Hasbro Pulse just charged my card for my Reflector 3-pack preorder.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036680)
Posted by Zeedust on September 2nd, 2019 @ 11:06pm CDT
Posted by Zeedust on September 2nd, 2019 @ 11:06pm CDT
Am I the only one who thinks it's nice that the tails for Gulf/Skalor and Lobclaw/Nautilator become guns? I've always preferred having weapons hidden or integrated into the alt mode over "Slap the gun on the side of the car and call it a day".
...Granted, they also have plenty of "slapped on" weapons, but I still appreciate the effort.
...Granted, they also have plenty of "slapped on" weapons, but I still appreciate the effort.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036684)
Posted by Stargrave on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:56am CDT
Posted by Stargrave on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:56am CDT
I don’t know about the rest of the color scheme but Rani’s pedicurist certainly, nailed it? Mmm?
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036702)
Posted by Evil Eye on September 3rd, 2019 @ 6:48am CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on September 3rd, 2019 @ 6:48am CDT
Nautilator looks off somehow, but I still love him and want him. Though that could be my unhealthy love of crustacean transformers.
Seawing meanwhile looks stellar, no issues there.
Seawing meanwhile looks stellar, no issues there.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036703)
Posted by william-james88 on September 3rd, 2019 @ 8:36am CDT
As someone who first fell in love with the brand through Beast Wars, intergrated weapons are a thing I thought was by default and it is always my preferrence. Tails becoming weapons are a staple too
Posted by william-james88 on September 3rd, 2019 @ 8:36am CDT
Zeedust wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it's nice that the tails for Gulf/Skalor and Lobclaw/Nautilator become guns? I've always preferred having weapons hidden or integrated into the alt mode over "Slap the gun on the side of the car and call it a day".
...Granted, they also have plenty of "slapped on" weapons, but I still appreciate the effort.
As someone who first fell in love with the brand through Beast Wars, intergrated weapons are a thing I thought was by default and it is always my preferrence. Tails becoming weapons are a staple too
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036706)
Posted by Stargrave on September 3rd, 2019 @ 9:12am CDT
Totally one of the coolest innovations from Beast Wars. Good call dude
Posted by Stargrave on September 3rd, 2019 @ 9:12am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Zeedust wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it's nice that the tails for Gulf/Skalor and Lobclaw/Nautilator become guns? I've always preferred having weapons hidden or integrated into the alt mode over "Slap the gun on the side of the car and call it a day".
...Granted, they also have plenty of "slapped on" weapons, but I still appreciate the effort.
As someone who first fell in love with the brand through Beast Wars, intergrated weapons are a thing I thought was by default and it is always my preferrence. Tails becoming weapons are a staple too
Totally one of the coolest innovations from Beast Wars. Good call dude
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036709)
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 9:51am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 9:51am CDT
Well with the first pair being released in January, and the second pair being released in February, that is a bit sooner than I anticipated, but still cool. I preordered the first pair, fortunately these will all come around tax time, so I should *hopefully* have it all covered.
The deadline to order the first pair on Pulse was 8/27, I'm hoping the second pair has a bit longer of an allowed time, but we shall see...
The deadline to order the first pair on Pulse was 8/27, I'm hoping the second pair has a bit longer of an allowed time, but we shall see...
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036711)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 3rd, 2019 @ 10:09am CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 3rd, 2019 @ 10:09am CDT
Loving Kraken/Seawing, but this may be my love for robots with wings talking. Lobclaw/Nautilator looks off with the gap in Lobster Mode, but robot and arm modes look sweet.
That leaves Tentakil and Overbite for the final set. Can't wait for the pics (especially of Tentakil).
That leaves Tentakil and Overbite for the final set. Can't wait for the pics (especially of Tentakil).
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036723)
Posted by TheAmazingBrave on September 3rd, 2019 @ 11:50am CDT
The colors are based on how they appeared in the masterforce anime rather than toy colors, and even then Lobclaw is more blue than teal. I'd have preferred teal myself, but I doubt Hasbro will release their own version any time soon, so I'll take what I can get.
Posted by TheAmazingBrave on September 3rd, 2019 @ 11:50am CDT
SpikeyTigertron wrote:Feel like I need to go look at my G1 Re-Issue... but those colors seem *way* off, or am I just crazy?
The colors are based on how they appeared in the masterforce anime rather than toy colors, and even then Lobclaw is more blue than teal. I'd have preferred teal myself, but I doubt Hasbro will release their own version any time soon, so I'll take what I can get.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036724)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 3rd, 2019 @ 11:57am CDT
Never again, sadly. All figures are identical between regions from now on, so any TakaraTomy initiated figures like Star Convoy and the Seacons will be direct imports, with a price to match.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 3rd, 2019 @ 11:57am CDT
TheAmazingBrave wrote:I doubt Hasbro will release their own version any time soon, so I'll take what I can get.
Never again, sadly. All figures are identical between regions from now on, so any TakaraTomy initiated figures like Star Convoy and the Seacons will be direct imports, with a price to match.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036725)
Posted by gothsaurus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 11:59am CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 11:59am CDT
While I'm not SUPER hopeful, it has been said that they don't like to create a mold without ensuring it will get 3 or 4 re-uses. So maybe where is a change they will eventually get around to a toy recolor for the USA market. (Not to mention that amazing white version from the Japan market. That's a thing of beauty.)
Still holding out the same hopes for Monstructor and Dinoking, as we have seen some of those head and dino molds leak out. Maybe they will give us a third trilogy "beast series" like Transformers: Prime. (ie. Horrorcons, cassette animals, dinoking, monstructor, piranacon, long-necked Skylinx, etc.)
Still holding out the same hopes for Monstructor and Dinoking, as we have seen some of those head and dino molds leak out. Maybe they will give us a third trilogy "beast series" like Transformers: Prime. (ie. Horrorcons, cassette animals, dinoking, monstructor, piranacon, long-necked Skylinx, etc.)
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036726)
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:06pm CDT
however the Seacons themselves are re-uses of existing molds, albeit with quite extensive retooling. I think the best we can hope for if you are looking for direct re-use is a God Neptune set down the line...maybe. As for the colors. I'm all in, although truth be told, I've never seen an original King Poseidon toy standing next to an original Piranacon?...I thought the colors were the same? In any case, if they are going for more Masterforce Accuracy than more power to them, that is my favorite version of the character anyway.
And yes, more combiners are always welcome
. Besides, if we get a Monstructor or Dinoking, the good guys will be outnumbered by two, gotta get some more Heroic Combiners to even the odds
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:06pm CDT
gothsaurus wrote:While I'm not SUPER hopeful, it has been said that they don't like to create a mold without ensuring it will get 3 or 4 re-uses. So maybe where is a change they will eventually get around to a toy recolor for the USA market. (Not to mention that amazing white version from the Japan market. That's a thing of beauty.)
Still holding out the same hopes for Monstructor and Dinoking, as we have seen some of those head and dino molds leak out.
however the Seacons themselves are re-uses of existing molds, albeit with quite extensive retooling. I think the best we can hope for if you are looking for direct re-use is a God Neptune set down the line...maybe. As for the colors. I'm all in, although truth be told, I've never seen an original King Poseidon toy standing next to an original Piranacon?...I thought the colors were the same? In any case, if they are going for more Masterforce Accuracy than more power to them, that is my favorite version of the character anyway.
And yes, more combiners are always welcome
. Besides, if we get a Monstructor or Dinoking, the good guys will be outnumbered by two, gotta get some more Heroic Combiners to even the odds
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036728)
Posted by Cobotron on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:12pm CDT
Kraken looks so dope in robot mode with those manta wings.
After binging the Netflix Dark Crystal series all weekend, I'm all amped up for freaky crustacean alien beasts!
Posted by Cobotron on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:12pm CDT
This! Just glad these creeps are getting an update.TheAmazingBrave wrote: I'll take what I can get.
Kraken looks so dope in robot mode with those manta wings.
After binging the Netflix Dark Crystal series all weekend, I'm all amped up for freaky crustacean alien beasts!
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036730)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:13pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:13pm CDT
They are.o.supreme wrote:although truth be told, I've never seen an original King Poseidon toy standing next to an original Piranacon?...I thought the colors were the same?
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036732)
Posted by Brokebot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:25pm CDT
Yeah, I'm with you there. This is the last Scramble City style combiners I have to get the Generations update, so I'm actually glad to see the releases aren't getting dragged out. Since I'm not collecting much of the Siege line, it won't be too much of a financial pinch.
Posted by Brokebot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:25pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Well with the first pair being released in January, and the second pair being released in February, that is a bit sooner than I anticipated, but still cool. I preordered the first pair, fortunately these will all come around tax time, so I should *hopefully* have it all covered.
The deadline to order the first pair on Pulse was 8/27, I'm hoping the second pair has a bit longer of an allowed time, but we shall see...
Yeah, I'm with you there. This is the last Scramble City style combiners I have to get the Generations update, so I'm actually glad to see the releases aren't getting dragged out. Since I'm not collecting much of the Siege line, it won't be too much of a financial pinch.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036735)
Posted by gothsaurus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:27pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:27pm CDT
Yeah, the white one I'm talking about is God Neptune.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036739)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:56pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:56pm CDT
It does make me ponder why there was never a Seawing redeco for Depthcharge, back in the day?
Anyway the Seacons are looking good. It is a shame about the colour palette, but at least they are getting a modern release... Even if it is just as a retooled set.
Anyway the Seacons are looking good. It is a shame about the colour palette, but at least they are getting a modern release... Even if it is just as a retooled set.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036741)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:59pm CDT
Pending Tentakil. His parent mold was never properly identified, if any, but he does reuse a transformation trick from PotP Chromia/Moonracer.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on September 3rd, 2019 @ 12:59pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It does make me ponder why there was never a Seawing redeco for Depthcharge, back in the day?
Anyway the Seacons are looking good. It is a shame about the colour palette, but at least they are getting a modern release... Even if it is just as a retooled set.
Pending Tentakil. His parent mold was never properly identified, if any, but he does reuse a transformation trick from PotP Chromia/Moonracer.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036742)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:05pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:05pm CDT
Personally I'm looking forward to Overbite the most. I do have a thing for Shark-Bots. Hopefully his colour palette should be the most faithful to the original release. Which should really make him visually stand out.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036744)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:21pm CDT
Even Beast Wars Grimlock's deco bore no resemblance to G1 Grimlock's now-iconic deco despite the two being the same character.
When 3H did their BotCon 2001 Arcee from TM2 Blackarachnia, they practically had to beg the Hasbro team of the time to let them use a familiar G1 character for the then-modern age instead of creating yet another all-new character.
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:21pm CDT
Because G1 homage decos were not a normal thing back in the Beast Era.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It does make me ponder why there was never a Seawing redeco for Depthcharge, back in the day?
Even Beast Wars Grimlock's deco bore no resemblance to G1 Grimlock's now-iconic deco despite the two being the same character.
When 3H did their BotCon 2001 Arcee from TM2 Blackarachnia, they practically had to beg the Hasbro team of the time to let them use a familiar G1 character for the then-modern age instead of creating yet another all-new character.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036745)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:30pm CDT
Yeah, it is really weird. We've discussed this in the BW threads and a real shame they squandered the opportunities. For example, Three Bat-Bots and no 'Mindwipe' or 'Ratbat'?
The reason why I brought up Depthcharge specifically was because he had a redeco for Universe and it was horrendous. Like an explosion at a paint factory...
So instead of this:
We should/could have had this:
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:30pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Because G1 homage decos were not a normal thing back in the Beast Era.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It does make me ponder why there was never a Seawing redeco for Depthcharge, back in the day?
Even Beast Wars Grimlock's deco bore no resemblance to G1 Grimlock's now-iconic deco despite the two being the same character.
When 3H did their BotCon 2001 Arcee from TM2 Blackarachnia, they practically had to beg the Hasbro team of the time to let them use a familiar G1 character for the then-modern age instead of creating yet another all-new character.
Yeah, it is really weird. We've discussed this in the BW threads and a real shame they squandered the opportunities. For example, Three Bat-Bots and no 'Mindwipe' or 'Ratbat'?
The reason why I brought up Depthcharge specifically was because he had a redeco for Universe and it was horrendous. Like an explosion at a paint factory...
So instead of this:
We should/could have had this:
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036747)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:37pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:37pm CDT
'Course, we'd likely also end up with a bunch of complainers lamenting its being "a combiner component who doesn't combine" like there were when the Universe 2008 Ultra class toys of Silverbolt and Onslaught came out.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The reason why I brought up Depthcharge specifically was because he had a redeco for Universe and it was horrendous. Like an explosion at a paint factory...
So instead of this:
We should/could have had this:
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036748)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:47pm CDT
Really? Sometimes this fanbase really makes you shake your head in disbelief...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 1:47pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:'Course, we likely also end up with a bunch of complainers lamenting its being "a combiner component who doesn't combine" like there were when the Universe 2008 Ultra class toys of Silverbolt and Onslaught came out.
Really? Sometimes this fanbase really makes you shake your head in disbelief...
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036750)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:07pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:07pm CDT
"If it's not EXACTLY like how it was when I was five years old, then it SUUUUUCKS!!!"AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:'Course, we likely also end up with a bunch of complainers lamenting its being "a combiner component who doesn't combine" like there were when the Universe 2008 Ultra class toys of Silverbolt and Onslaught came out.
Really? Sometimes this fanbase really makes you shake your head in disbelief...
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036751)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:13pm CDT
Too true.
I've seen so many serious variations of that over the years, it becomes more tragic than funny. Those kind of people basically saying that, Transformers as a franchise has no inherent value beyond catering exclusively to 80's nostalgia.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:13pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:"If it's not EXACTLY like how it was when I was five years old, then it SUUUUUCKS!!!"AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:'Course, we likely also end up with a bunch of complainers lamenting its being "a combiner component who doesn't combine" like there were when the Universe 2008 Ultra class toys of Silverbolt and Onslaught came out.
Really? Sometimes this fanbase really makes you shake your head in disbelief...
Too true.I've seen so many serious variations of that over the years, it becomes more tragic than funny. Those kind of people basically saying that, Transformers as a franchise has no inherent value beyond catering exclusively to 80's nostalgia.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036753)
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:30pm CDT
While I wouldn't put it down simply to "80s Nostalgia", it's hard to see this thing going as long as it has without it.
The sum of all the parts are what makes the brand going into perpetuity, but the biggest part is GENERATION ONE.
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:30pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"If it's not EXACTLY like how it was when I was five years old, then it SUUUUUCKS!!!"AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:'Course, we likely also end up with a bunch of complainers lamenting its being "a combiner component who doesn't combine" like there were when the Universe 2008 Ultra class toys of Silverbolt and Onslaught came out.
Really? Sometimes this fanbase really makes you shake your head in disbelief...
I've seen so many serious variations of that over the years, it becomes more tragic than funny. Those kind of people basically saying that, Transformers as a franchise has no inherent value beyond catering exclusively to 80's nostalgia.
While I wouldn't put it down simply to "80s Nostalgia", it's hard to see this thing going as long as it has without it.
The sum of all the parts are what makes the brand going into perpetuity, but the biggest part is GENERATION ONE.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036755)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:41pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:41pm CDT
Yet, the award winning part, where it was recognised by the wider world existed when the 80's series had long ceased. Transformers is no different to any other franchise. Star Trek for example. Star Trek garnered acclaim with TNG, not the original series. Stargate is another such example. Wherein someone took the original idea and expanded on it and made something better.
Sunbow is finished and the 80's have been dead for over three decades. Respect the past but learn to let it go.
Transformers is also a 35 y/o franchise, so the "biggest part" is arguable. Fans from the late 90's or 2000's or Bayformers, likely couldn't care less about G1.
Sunbow is finished and the 80's have been dead for over three decades. Respect the past but learn to let it go.
Transformers is also a 35 y/o franchise, so the "biggest part" is arguable. Fans from the late 90's or 2000's or Bayformers, likely couldn't care less about G1.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036757)
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:43pm CDT
I remember when those toys came out. I was in my *non collector* phase, and the thought did enter my mind, that these weren't *right*, but that was about it, and also because I knew the rest of the team wasn't coming out, and that all new combiners similar to what came out originally would just be a pipe dram...fast forward to a decade later, and its been an awesome ride these past few years. Yeah, pretty much any use of a mold that isn't combiner compatible will get the initial
from me, but it passes quickly. I have/ or will have almost everything I could ever want in modernized updates. No need to take away form others...
you have to admit though, if they had kept the combiner capability of Ectotron, a GB Themed combiner would have been really cool
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:43pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:'Course, we likely also end up with a bunch of complainers lamenting its being "a combiner component who doesn't combine" like there were when the Universe 2008 Ultra class toys of Silverbolt and Onslaught came out.
I remember when those toys came out. I was in my *non collector* phase, and the thought did enter my mind, that these weren't *right*, but that was about it, and also because I knew the rest of the team wasn't coming out, and that all new combiners similar to what came out originally would just be a pipe dram...fast forward to a decade later, and its been an awesome ride these past few years. Yeah, pretty much any use of a mold that isn't combiner compatible will get the initial
from me, but it passes quickly. I have/ or will have almost everything I could ever want in modernized updates. No need to take away form others...you have to admit though, if they had kept the combiner capability of Ectotron, a GB Themed combiner would have been really cool
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036758)
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:45pm CDT
When you're attacking the origin of the franchise, you're losing.
While there are franchises where later iterations eclipsed earlier iterations, it would be difficult to argue that with Transformers. Really difficult, unless you want to be laughed out of the building.
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:45pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet, the award winning part, where it was recognised by the wider world existed when the 80's series had long ceased. Transformers is no different to any other franchise. Star Trek for example. Star Trek garnered acclaim with TNG, not the original series. Stargate is another such example. Wherein someone took the original idea and expanded on it and made something better.
Sunbow is finished and the 80's have been dead for over three decades. Respect the past but learn to let it go.
Transformers is also a 35 y/o franchise, so the "biggest part" is arguable. Fans from the late 90's or 2000's or Bayformers, likely couldn't care less about G1.
When you're attacking the origin of the franchise, you're losing.
While there are franchises where later iterations eclipsed earlier iterations, it would be difficult to argue that with Transformers. Really difficult, unless you want to be laughed out of the building.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036759)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:49pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:49pm CDT
I'm doing no such thing??? I'm just putting into context. G1 was the beginning. It isn't everything to every fan. To think so makes Sabrblade's comment even more apt and funny.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036760)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:52pm CDT
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:52pm CDT
Throwing my hat in, I agree that we sometimes should innovate, not just redo characters. Or at least need to do what IDW and Animated did and take the big characters and alter them while still keeping some semblance of what the original was. I don't mind some revisiting a character from when a toyline was limited in one way or another (G1 with articulation, Armada being gimmick hampered, BW with GPS and flaky chrome) but I always enjoy new ideas. Though, I did have a laugh the other day because I realized that no matter the gimmick Optimus almost always had an upgrade to that line (Powermaster, action master, even the Beast Era ) with a few exceptions (no headmaster or combiner in the G1 toyline) but nowadays Prime being given new gimmicks is sacrilege
) with a few exceptions (no headmaster or combiner in the G1 toyline) but nowadays Prime being given new gimmicks is sacrilege
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036761)
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:54pm CDT
I know MANY rabid Star Trek fans that will vehemently disagree. In fact as time goes on I'd say the comparison (if you want to call it that) between original Series fans of Star Trek and Transformers vs everything that came after is becoming more and more close.
One of my closest friends hates TNG, and anything that came after. It's not my thing either way, but it is what it is.
As for Stargate, I do believe the TV series were popular for a time, but now they are pretty much forgotten, while the original film still comes up in conversations. I have the original film on DVD, and while I did see all of SG-1, I cant tell you much about it from memory, and never watched any of the other spinoffs.
Respecting the Past & Letting it go are two diametrically opposed ideas. You can respect the original series without being a fan of it. It's just when you make statement to prevent and/or hinder/eliminate it's continued resurgence in media that fans get upset.
By the same token Original Series fans should not try to hinder/take away the return/resurgence of anything that came afterwards whether they enjoy it or not.
See the anger doesn't come from having a Galaxy Convoy Deco in Siege. Anger/frustration comes when some fans say *we dont need* any more new 1984 Optimus Primes, or *any more new* Armada, or Bayformers. Let fans have it all, just dont promote the idea that any of it is worthless and needs to end.
Posted by o.supreme on September 3rd, 2019 @ 2:54pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet, the award winning part, where it was recognised by the wider world existed when the 80's series had long ceased. Transformers is no different to any other franchise. Star Trek for example. Star Trek garnered acclaim with TNG, not the original series. Stargate is another such example. Wherein someone took the original idea and expanded on it and made something better.
Sunbow is finished and the 80's have been dead for over three decades. Respect the past but learn to let it go.
Transformers is also a 35 y/o franchise, so the "biggest part" is arguable. Fans from the late 90's or 2000's or Bayformers, likely couldn't care less about G1.
I know MANY rabid Star Trek fans that will vehemently disagree. In fact as time goes on I'd say the comparison (if you want to call it that) between original Series fans of Star Trek and Transformers vs everything that came after is becoming more and more close.
One of my closest friends hates TNG, and anything that came after. It's not my thing either way, but it is what it is.
As for Stargate, I do believe the TV series were popular for a time, but now they are pretty much forgotten, while the original film still comes up in conversations. I have the original film on DVD, and while I did see all of SG-1, I cant tell you much about it from memory, and never watched any of the other spinoffs.
Respecting the Past & Letting it go are two diametrically opposed ideas. You can respect the original series without being a fan of it. It's just when you make statement to prevent and/or hinder/eliminate it's continued resurgence in media that fans get upset.
By the same token Original Series fans should not try to hinder/take away the return/resurgence of anything that came afterwards whether they enjoy it or not.
See the anger doesn't come from having a Galaxy Convoy Deco in Siege. Anger/frustration comes when some fans say *we dont need* any more new 1984 Optimus Primes, or *any more new* Armada, or Bayformers. Let fans have it all, just dont promote the idea that any of it is worthless and needs to end.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036764)
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 3:00pm CDT
I also didn't say it was "everything," but I am often bemused (not really) by how certain folks like to bash people who like G1 (or just bash G1) and it's endless Memorex iterations as if to say "their" Transformers are somehow superior, or that G1 folks simply won't let go. You've never seen me say a bad word about Energon or any of that era, simply because I don't feel the need to belittle. I just wasn't the audience for that era. I still like the way some of them look - I'll be getting a Hot Shot when he comes out, and I've had a hard time getting Galaxy Upgrade Prime because I think it's a cool toy. From an era I wasn't collecting. Every era is somebody's era.
When they made Silverbolt that didn't combine, I didn't really care. I thought he was a cool figure, but I certainly can't say I didn't at least consider what it would have been like if they did Superion, even then. As far as I can see, it's a natural thought. Those characters are grouped together and identified as a group for a reason - they were a group, with no initial context outside of that group.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but people do have plenty of reason to think "Hey, how come Silverbolt, Swindle, Dead End, whoever don't combine with something?" It's not out of the freakin' blue.
Posted by sol magnus on September 3rd, 2019 @ 3:00pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm doing no such thing??? I'm just putting into context. G1 was the beginning. It isn't everything to every fan. To think so makes Sabrblade's comment even more apt and funny.
I also didn't say it was "everything," but I am often bemused (not really) by how certain folks like to bash people who like G1 (or just bash G1) and it's endless Memorex iterations as if to say "their" Transformers are somehow superior, or that G1 folks simply won't let go. You've never seen me say a bad word about Energon or any of that era, simply because I don't feel the need to belittle. I just wasn't the audience for that era. I still like the way some of them look - I'll be getting a Hot Shot when he comes out, and I've had a hard time getting Galaxy Upgrade Prime because I think it's a cool toy. From an era I wasn't collecting. Every era is somebody's era.
When they made Silverbolt that didn't combine, I didn't really care. I thought he was a cool figure, but I certainly can't say I didn't at least consider what it would have been like if they did Superion, even then. As far as I can see, it's a natural thought. Those characters are grouped together and identified as a group for a reason - they were a group, with no initial context outside of that group.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but people do have plenty of reason to think "Hey, how come Silverbolt, Swindle, Dead End, whoever don't combine with something?" It's not out of the freakin' blue.
Re: Official Images of Generations Selects Seacons Nautilator and Seawing aka Lobclaw and Kraken (2036765)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 3:03pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on September 3rd, 2019 @ 3:03pm CDT
My sole bugbear with Transformers, that I've had since Sunbow is the back peddling. The Movie wiped the slate clean for the new series. The Takara series went even further. Then it stops.
Beast Wars changed the tone and setting, Beast Machines (for good or ill) took that even further. Then it stops.
Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, IDW etc etc etc Just when each series is about to show something really new and exciting with the franchise, The brakes are slammed on and the franchise is thrown back to the 80's. It just gets really frustrating after a while.
Beast Wars changed the tone and setting, Beast Machines (for good or ill) took that even further. Then it stops.
Unicron Trilogy, Animated, Prime, IDW etc etc etc Just when each series is about to show something really new and exciting with the franchise, The brakes are slammed on and the franchise is thrown back to the 80's. It just gets really frustrating after a while.
