New Video Review of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Big Powered Set

i just got mine today! and its freaking awesome!
definitely worth getting

Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

blackeyedprime wrote:Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

They can, there's a pic a page back or two

Hellscream9999 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

They can, there's a pic a page back or two

Ultra Powered

In practice, nothing more than 5mm port magic

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

They can, there's a pic a page back or two

Ultra Powered

In practice, nothing more than 5mm port magic

Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

They can, there's a pic a page back or two

Ultra Powered

In practice, nothing more than 5mm port magic

Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination.

Probably because nobody has Twin Twist

Thanks all, just played about with my takara ones (since I'm yet to to find hasbro Twintwist, Misfire & Windblade) and they have plenty of holes in them which made for a few minutes of play with Cog.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

They can, there's a pic a page back or two

Ultra Powered

In practice, nothing more than 5mm port magic

Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination.

There is a way to combine all 5 in robot mode?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Can the jumpstarters combine with vehicle mode like in the included comic, or is just place them next to it invehicle mode for effect?

They can, there's a pic a page back or two

Ultra Powered

In practice, nothing more than 5mm port magic

Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination.

There is a way to combine all 5 in robot mode?

It's more a way to attach the four Deluxes in vehicle mode to Dai Atlas in robot mode. The high quality scans of Dai Atlas's comic (now visible in the Legends manga thread) show this configuration in the bottom-left corner of the final page.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination....
It's more a way to attach the four Deluxes in vehicle mode to Dai Atlas in robot mode. The high quality scans of Dai Atlas's comic (now visible in the Legends manga thread) show this configuration in the bottom-left corner of the final page.

well shoot...There's two more toys I didn't think I'd ever want I can add to the list. Depending on how cool it actually looks in Robot form....So Whats least expensive these days?... a Legends Twin Twist, or a TR Twin Twist on eBay?

I'm so Coo Coo for combiners. If the Autobot Scrum Combination could actually be done in toy form..I'd do it

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Autobot_Scrum_Combination

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination....
It's more a way to attach the four Deluxes in vehicle mode to Dai Atlas in robot mode. The high quality scans of Dai Atlas's comic (now visible in the Legends manga thread) show this configuration in the bottom-left corner of the final page.

well shoot...There's two more toys I didn't think I'd ever want I can add to the list. Depending on how cool it actually looks in toy form....So Whats least expensive these days?... a Legends Twin Twist, or a TR Twin Twist on eBay?

Hasbro on ebay. The Legends toys now are ridiculously expensive and hard to find because they also included exclusive targetmasters (which are proving to be better than the battle masters we are getting now).

You think the Targetmasters are better? The Battlemasters are solid plastic not clear and peg together more securely.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:You think the Targetmasters are better? The Battlemasters are solid plastic not clear and peg together more securely.

I honestly dont think either are great. But I do preffer the articulation on the Takara one I have since it has knees. From what I read, it seems fans are preferring the takara ones.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:You think the Targetmasters are better? The Battlemasters are solid plastic not clear and peg together more securely.

I honestly dont think either are great. But I do preffer the articulation on the Takara one I have since it has knees. From what I read, it seems fans are preferring the takara ones.

Just remember they're clear plastic, the more you play with them it's a matter of if not when they'll break. I will say that I don't see we'll see the Targetmasters like Kup's done as Battlemasters.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:You think the Targetmasters are better? The Battlemasters are solid plastic not clear and peg together more securely.

I honestly dont think either are great. But I do preffer the articulation on the Takara one I have since it has knees. From what I read, it seems fans are preferring the takara ones.

I much prefer the Takara Targetmasters too. The new Siege ones are okay, but don't quite have the level of articulation, engineering, and most importantly, accurate paint applications and color layouts, of the Legends ones. I'm mainly getting the Siege Battle Masters for the animal characters and the weapon special effects pieces. I'll be mixing and matching parts from the various humanoid Battle Masters to create more obscure characters, like a proper "Nebulan" for the upcoming Generations Selects Ricochet/Stepper figure.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I'm mainly getting the Siege Battle Masters for the animal characters and the weapon special effects pieces.

Same here. Also, I really dont fear the clear plastic in this case. It's not the thin or rigid kind used for windows and the like. it,s similar to the plastic from the power core combiner targetmasters which is pretty solid.

Clear plastic is just like any other plastic. I've had plenty of thin clear plastic last forever and I've had thick clear plastic break out of no where. One of the tusks broke on my TR Repugnus, they're clear and pretty thick plastic and I haven't got a clue how aside from the plastic already being flawed. And I've had the exact same experience with solid plastic. I've never seen any reason to believe all clear plastic has the potential to become become brittle.

Emerje

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination....
It's more a way to attach the four Deluxes in vehicle mode to Dai Atlas in robot mode. The high quality scans of Dai Atlas's comic (now visible in the Legends manga thread) show this configuration in the bottom-left corner of the final page.

well shoot...There's two more toys I didn't think I'd ever want I can add to the list. Depending on how cool it actually looks in Robot form....So Whats least expensive these days?... a Legends Twin Twist, or a TR Twin Twist on eBay?

I'm so Coo Coo for combiners. If the Autobot Scrum Combination could actually be done in toy form..I'd do it

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Autobot_Scrum_Combination

Best to shop around, I got both Takara versions for less that what it would cost me to get Hasbro Twintwist but it might be harder to find the Legends discounted now.

Emerje wrote:Clear plastic is just like any other plastic. I've had plenty of thin clear plastic last forever and I've had thick clear plastic break out of no where. One of the tusks broke on my TR Repugnus, they're clear and pretty thick plastic and I haven't got a clue how aside from the plastic already being flawed. And I've had the exact same experience with solid plastic. I've never seen any reason to believe all clear plastic has the potential to become become brittle.

Emerje

This right here. I've never had problems with clear plastic parts on my figures. Some figures have broken out of nowhere, like pieces cracking or crumbling when lightly touched or joints just shearing right off, but all of those cases have been with opaque plastic parts. I think that when plastic does stress, crack, or fail, it's easier to see the extent of the damage in clear plastic, since you can see flaws on all surfaces from almost any angle, as opposed to opaque plastic which can hide such damage if you're not looking in the right place.

blackeyedprime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination....
It's more a way to attach the four Deluxes in vehicle mode to Dai Atlas in robot mode. The high quality scans of Dai Atlas's comic (now visible in the Legends manga thread) show this configuration in the bottom-left corner of the final page.

well shoot...There's two more toys I didn't think I'd ever want I can add to the list. Depending on how cool it actually looks in Robot form....So Whats least expensive these days?... a Legends Twin Twist, or a TR Twin Twist on eBay?

I'm so Coo Coo for combiners. If the Autobot Scrum Combination could actually be done in toy form..I'd do it

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Autobot_Scrum_Combination

Best to shop around, I got both Takara versions for less that what it would cost me to get Hasbro Twintwist but it might be harder to find the Legends discounted now.

If you're looking for Twin Twist now, you're going to have to pay aftermarket prices, no matter which version you get. Retailers like TFSource and BBTS had them for several months, but now, everyone who couldn't find Titans Return Wave 5 Deluxes has bought most of them up, along with Windblade and Misfire. Legends Topspin is still easy to find at his "normal" import price of $39.99. If you hurry, though, BBTS does seem to have a few Legends Twin Twists available at that price right now, but I would jump on that as soon as possible.

I just now went and bought myself both Legends Topspin and Twin Twist from RobotKingdom. My Big Powered set is still sitting my Pile of Loot on BBTS (as I'm waiting to save up some more before I make a few more purchases I need to make from BBTS before shipping), but now I've essentially got all five Legends Powered Masters.

I'm excited to get my hands on all five and start making all these many different Powered Master combinations:

Dai Atlas + Sonic Bomber = Sky Powered
Dai Atlas + Roadfire = Land Powered
Dai Atlas + Twin Twist = Drill Powered
Roadfire + Topspin = Wing Powered
Topspin + Twin Twist = Attack Powered
Dai Atlas + Sonic Bomber + Roadfire = Big Powered
Dai Atlas + Topspin + Twin Twist = unnamed tertiary form
Dai Atlas + Sonic Bomber + Roadfire + Topspin + Twin Twist = Ultra Powered
Dai Atlas (robot mode) + Sonic Bomber + Roadfire + Topspin + Twin Twist = unnamed robot mode configuration

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Emerje wrote:Clear plastic is just like any other plastic. I've had plenty of thin clear plastic last forever and I've had thick clear plastic break out of no where. One of the tusks broke on my TR Repugnus, they're clear and pretty thick plastic and I haven't got a clue how aside from the plastic already being flawed. And I've had the exact same experience with solid plastic. I've never seen any reason to believe all clear plastic has the potential to become become brittle.

Emerje

This right here. I've never had problems with clear plastic parts on my figures. Some figures have broken out of nowhere, like pieces cracking or crumbling when lightly touched or joints just shearing right off, but all of those cases have been with opaque plastic parts. I think that when plastic does stress, crack, or fail, it's easier to see the extent of the damage in clear plastic, since you can see flaws on all surfaces from almost any angle, as opposed to opaque plastic which can hide such damage if you're not looking in the right place.

blackeyedprime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, no one (that I've seen so far) has posted a pic of the five-Powered Master robot mode combination....
It's more a way to attach the four Deluxes in vehicle mode to Dai Atlas in robot mode. The high quality scans of Dai Atlas's comic (now visible in the Legends manga thread) show this configuration in the bottom-left corner of the final page.

well shoot...There's two more toys I didn't think I'd ever want I can add to the list. Depending on how cool it actually looks in Robot form....So Whats least expensive these days?... a Legends Twin Twist, or a TR Twin Twist on eBay?

I'm so Coo Coo for combiners. If the Autobot Scrum Combination could actually be done in toy form..I'd do it

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Autobot_Scrum_Combination

Best to shop around, I got both Takara versions for less that what it would cost me to get Hasbro Twintwist but it might be harder to find the Legends discounted now.

If you're looking for Twin Twist now, you're going to have to pay aftermarket prices, no matter which version you get. Retailers like TFSource and BBTS had them for several months, but now, everyone who couldn't find Titans Return Wave 5 Deluxes has bought most of them up, along with Windblade and Misfire. Legends Topspin is still easy to find at his "normal" import price of $39.99. If you hurry, though, BBTS does seem to have a few Legends Twin Twists available at that price right now, but I would jump on that as soon as possible.

that's why in December 2017
I ordered them from online when most retailers had them as they were no where to be found elswere and the price was a little more than what they should be and now I can attach them to big powered
And it's not that impressive

Thanks for the suggestions. Please understand though, it was not revealed until earlier this week that Topspin & Twin Twist could even make some sort of formation with Legends Big Powered, so until a few days ago, I had zero interest in them...hindsight and all that...

Sabrblade wrote:Dai Atlas (robot mode) + Sonic Bomber + Roadfire + Topspin + Twin Twist = unnamed robot mode configuration

Just thinking about this however, wouldn't it aesthetically/symmetrically look better with Misfire in place of Topspin in this particular mode? But then, that presents the issue of having a Decepticon on a team of Autobots... Maybe try both (If you have Misfire that is...)?...either way, I cant wait to see the pics...

Honestly, I'm going to wait and see if by chance Big Powered ever goes on sale, I'm not in a position to make any more big purchases since I just got Metroplex, eve if it was a sweet deal. BBTS seems to have an abundance of Big Powered at the moment....

Also I noticed TFSource has Legends Grand Max on sale for $210, with free shipping...definitely a step in the right direction, lets see if it gets any lower anywhere else...

o.supreme wrote:Thanks for the suggestions. Please understand though, it was not revealed until earlier this week that Topspin & Twin Twist could even make some sort of formation with Legends Big Powered, so until a few days ago, I had zero interest in them...hindsight and all that...

It was revealed nearly two weeks ago.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Thanks for the suggestions. Please understand though, it was not revealed until earlier this week that Topspin & Twin Twist could even make some sort of formation with Legends Big Powered, so until a few days ago, I had zero interest in them...hindsight and all that...

It was revealed nearly two weeks ago.

Can a guy get a break...life is a bit of crazy right now....if I was six months off, my bad, but are we gonna split hairs 1 week vs 2???

Missfire might be an oddity but you could probably use Hasbro version doubles to keep symmetry or for full on drill mode with twin twin twists.
I've ordered big powered, figure he wont be imported as much as the other legends and no point in saving for MP BW Megatron until V2, replacemnt bits or a solid KO sub 100 -not going to happen.

Big powered arrived today, one of the things I'm really happy with is Dias slide out hands (if they could have rotated even better) which is something Siege figures and others could do with reverting back to so it leaves no hollow arm gaps. 80's features on a modern toy

blackeyedprime wrote:Big powered arrived today, one of the things I'm really happy with is Dias slide out hands (if they could have rotated even better) which is something Siege figures and others could do with reverting back to so it leaves no hollow arm gaps. 80's features on a modern toy

Telescoping parts are actually one of my pet peeves, as the catches have worn out on my G1 toys.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Big powered arrived today, one of the things I'm really happy with is Dias slide out hands (if they could have rotated even better) which is something Siege figures and others could do with reverting back to so it leaves no hollow arm gaps. 80's features on a modern toy

Telescoping parts are actually one of my pet peeves, as the catches have worn out on my G1 toys.

So hollow parts then.

nope, you can easily have flaps that open to flip the hand out and then cover any hole.

Aha ! Big arrived really sooner than expected :




And on time for the weekend, that's perfect !

So now that the dust has settled what is the final verdict on Legends God Ginrai? While I try to stick to my one-figure-per-character rule ever since I ended up getting Siege Optimus and Megatron but kept the TR ones, the truth is I don't exactly count Ginrai as being Optimus Prime. There is also the fact I've got Overlord and he (he/she or them in Japanese lore, being a duo of Godmasters!) could use his rival. However I have no experience with the CW Magnus/TR Powermaster Prime mold and I keep hearing how Ginrai suffers from his stubby feet and shitty ankles.

So is he worth it or would he only be truly 'worth it' if I somehow managed to miraculously hunt down his Perfect Effect upgrade sets? He certainly appeal to me visually and I'd love to have him in the collection, displayed next to Optimus, Hot Rod/Rodimus, Dai Atlas and Optimal Optimus as the respective 'faction leader' of their era. But if he's waaaay too fragile and wonky it might not be worth it.

Skritz wrote: But if he's waaaay too fragile and wonky it might not be worth it.

I do not know about the combined boxset, but the regular release (both hasbro and takara's) is too fragile and wonky. I absolutely hate that toy. Both the godbomber and ginrai elements are weak and together they are super weak.

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote: But if he's waaaay too fragile and wonky it might not be worth it.

I do not know about the combined boxset, but the regular release (both hasbro and takara's) is too fragile and wonky. I absolutely hate that toy. Both the godbomber and ginrai elements are weak and together they are super weak.

I have to agree. Super Ginrai is a remold of a remold and it shows. God Bomber had one thing to do and it failed, there's a reason the original toy was a brick.

It works well as a static display piece, just don't take him off the shelf.

Yeeeah that seems to be a common problem people have with God Ginrai. I'd probably be better off with an Hasbro PMOP off ebay, huh?

Skritz wrote:Yeeeah that seems to be a common problem people have with God Ginrai. I'd probably be better off with an Hasbro PMOP off ebay, huh?

Personally, I think he's much better built and looks really cool. Plus, the inner head is more original and unique. My only issue with him is the brownish grey plastic they use, it just doesn't look great (feels fine though).

I actually like God Ginrai quite a bit, but I'm a huge sucker for Optimus combiners so it isn't surprising and I'm probably not the best person to ask. I ended up with both of Takara Tomy's versions (plus the individual God Bomber) and Hasbro's box set version so I have all three uses of the Super Ginrai mold. Ironically I don't have either of Hasbro's PM Prime versions of the mold.

But without my personal bias, I agree with Ironhidensh. If you're looking for a toy to play with God Ginrai is very top heavy and not great for playing with since there's a bunch of parts that like to fall off or come loose when moving him around. As a figure to put on the shelf or photograph he's a great figure in that respect. The Legends box set version is the superior one thanks the clear windows, chrome, and improved heel spurs to make it harder for him to fall over backwards, plus bonus Headmaster Juniors.

Emerje

Well I understand not every figure is something fun to fiddle with and I don't expect Ginrai to be that kind of figure.

Skritz wrote:Well I understand not every figure is something fun to fiddle with and I don't expect Ginrai to be that kind of figure.

Sure, but I personally think he is the opposite of fun when it comes to handling.

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Well I understand not every figure is something fun to fiddle with and I don't expect Ginrai to be that kind of figure.

Sure, but I personally think he is the opposite of fun when it comes to handling.

Sorry I worded it wrong. I meant that expect a fiddly mess.

I got the Legends God Ginrai boxed set and while I don't hate the set, I don't love it either.

I also fully embraced the whole Triplemaster thing that Sakamoto wrote up for Ginrai by sticking a little translucent figurine of some dinosaur-man-thing (that I got with a KO of BW TM2 Megatron years ago, I have no idea what the little figure itself is really supposed to be) inside Super Ginrai's chest cavity to be his Getmaster while his head serves as his Headmaster and his molded-in Iacon Engine makes him also Godmaster.

And since I had two of these little dino figurines (I got a second one that came with a green-colored KO of BW TM2 Megatron), I decided to stick the other one inside of Primitive Skateboarding Optimus Prime to be his own Getmaster as well.

So now both of them have little glow-in-the-dark dinosaur people inside their chests.

I also do still have the Commemorative Series PMOP w/ Apex Armor reissue of the 1988 God Ginrai (elongated missiles and all), and while it is a big, towering brick, it sure is a pretty and more stable brick.

I prefer the G1 toy,but its a hard call on any of the Powermaster primes as they all have flaws and not a single one of them is or ever will be perfect no matter the add ons.

Hasbro TR PM Prime
negatives chest, hands, cant combine
positives feet?

Hasbro box set
negatives feet, arm flaps
positives other figures in box set, hands, combines,

Legends
negatives feet?, arm flaps.
positives cthru windows (that get covered up in combined mode, combines, god bombers own robot mode

Stability aside I think just tracking down some G1 power master prime shoulder guns improves the figures look, when on the hasbro one it looks good enough (they might be comically oversized to other peeps but hey). If you have multiples then switching legends cab can be done to give hasbro a better chest (or use god bomber on the hasbro box set combiner with out clear windows) then there is not much need for the Perfect effect add ons/ginrai tho hes my favorite convoy in that scale at the mo and he doesnt get used as a chest piece). the perfect effect chest piece doesnt quite work/sit flush with the hasbro torso but I prefer it looking a bit funny/bulky/paratrooperesque? to his orig chest piece.

I used *Magnus Prime* from the TR Siege set, and the individual release Legends God Bomber to create my God Ginrai. It actually works quite well. I haven't problems with extra loose bits or floppy parts. I'm really glad I have it. I don't know if I'm just fortunate or what. I got one of the last available LG42's from BBTS, so I don't know if its a matter of getting later run toys that have fixes, or truly a case of YMMV.

o.supreme wrote:I used *Magnus Prime* from the TR Siege set, and the individual release Legends God Bomber to create my God Ginrai. It actually works quite well. I haven't problems with extra loose bits or floppy parts. I'm really glad I have it. I don't know if I'm just fortunate or what. I got one of the last available LG42's from BBTS, so I don't know if its a matter of getting later run toys that have fixes, or truly a case of YMMV.

I'm pretty sure it YMMV. I also went the Magnus Prime and LG42 route, and I also got one of the later LG42's from BBTS. Most of it is pretty solid except the damn blue arm panels from Godbomber never want to stay attached to Godbomber himself. They are fine for combining with Ginrai, but the combined mode just doesn't like standing too much on mine.

I'm using Magnus Prime with Godbomber. They are a pretty nice set in alternate modes, but Godbomber is definitely a bit weak and weird in robot mode. Combined mode is a spectacle though, despite being a bit finnicky in posing. the only real issue I have with him is a slight backwards lean and the sword hilt is a bit too small for the hand to hold securely

I've been tempted a few times to grab Godbomber, but the regular negative reviews have turned me away, along with the premium Takara price. The God Ginrai set doesn't work either since I already have a Magnus Prime... ah well

Big Powered arrived the other day and I got around to opening it up today and having a bit of a squiz.

A part of me is disappointed because each one felt "cheap" to me.

Road Fire is easily the best of the three. Good solid figure.

Dai Atlas is a good figure, but I wasn't able to get the hips to lock in properly.

Sonic Bomber is a nice enough figure, but let down by the "feet". Ball joint that really does nothing?

Burn wrote:Big Powered arrived the other day and I got around to opening it up today and having a bit of a squiz.

A part of me is disappointed because each one felt "cheap" to me.

Road Fire is easily the best of the three. Good solid figure.

Dai Atlas is a good figure, but I wasn't able to get the hips to lock in properly.

Sonic Bomber is a nice enough figure, but let down by the "feet". Ball joint that really does nothing?

I find I line the bar up then slam it down quickly it locks in well.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I find I line the bar up then slam it down quickly it locks in well.

I'll give that a go when I get around to putting them on display (still setting up the room after moving)

Latebrus-K wrote:I've been tempted a few times to grab Godbomber, but the regular negative reviews have turned me away, along with the premium Takara price. The God Ginrai set doesn't work either since I already have a Magnus Prime... ah well

I feel I've failed you all as your hero and role model by not mentioning this, the Kabaya kits make for a great God Ginrai and if the price drops to $50 or below then Legends Godbomber is worth it.