New Review Shows Scale of Rise of the Beasts Optimus Primal Figure
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Posted by TulioDude on March 17th, 2022 @ 3:17pm CDT
Posted by Jumpstart1083 on March 17th, 2022 @ 4:06pm CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on March 17th, 2022 @ 4:27pm CDT
Uy. Hard pass on these so far...
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 17th, 2022 @ 4:37pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:There's... literally NO difference between the robot mode and the ape mode, except the chest/head piece being inverted, and the feet were rotated.
Uy. Hard pass on these so far...
That's just the basic gimmicky toy.
I'm looking forward the SS voyager.
Posted by Lore Keeper on March 17th, 2022 @ 5:10pm CDT
Steal toys from company. Get invited to exclusive premiers.
Ok, got it! I now know the key to success!
Posted by william-james88 on March 17th, 2022 @ 5:14pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:There's... literally NO difference between the robot mode and the ape mode, except the chest/head piece being inverted, and the feet were rotated.
And the shoulders. There is almost as much difference here as with the original Primal who also kept the same arms, back and waist as the gorilla mode.
That's just Primal.
Posted by SpaceEagle on March 17th, 2022 @ 5:37pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:There's... literally NO difference between the robot mode and the ape mode, except the chest/head piece being inverted, and the feet were rotated.
Uy. Hard pass on these so far...
I mean, for a kid's toy it's honestly not that much of a surprise, especially considering most Primal toys aren't always that different between modes anyway.
Still, the probable SS figure will be a better purchase for adult collectors anyway.
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 17th, 2022 @ 6:22pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:DeathReviews wrote:There's... literally NO difference between the robot mode and the ape mode, except the chest/head piece being inverted, and the feet were rotated.
And the shoulders. There is almost as much difference here as with the original Primal who also kept the same arms, back and waist as the gorilla mode.
That's just Primal.
I see what you did there
Posted by DeathReviews on March 17th, 2022 @ 7:43pm CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:DeathReviews wrote:There's... literally NO difference between the robot mode and the ape mode, except the chest/head piece being inverted, and the feet were rotated.
Uy. Hard pass on these so far...
I mean, for a kid's toy it's honestly not that much of a surprise, especially considering most Primal toys aren't always that different between modes anyway.
Still, the probable SS figure will be a better purchase for adult collectors anyway.
True - it may be fine for a kiddie toy. But it ain't enough for ME
Posted by DeathReviews on March 17th, 2022 @ 7:46pm CDT
Lore Keeper wrote:I should take some notes:
Steal toys from company. Get invited to exclusive premiers.
Ok, got it! I now know the key to success!
I'm inclined to think now that the factories and probably Hasbro themselves are 'in' on it with this, to generate buzz for their pending figures. Otherwise, they'd be moving much more aggressively to stop these early leaks. Instead of inviting the primary beneficiary of those leaks over to root through their stuff with permission. Sometimes it really is who you know...
Posted by Emerje on March 17th, 2022 @ 7:47pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by william-james88 on March 17th, 2022 @ 11:50pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:DeathReviews wrote:There's... literally NO difference between the robot mode and the ape mode, except the chest/head piece being inverted, and the feet were rotated.
Uy. Hard pass on these so far...
I mean, for a kid's toy it's honestly not that much of a surprise, especially considering most Primal toys aren't always that different between modes anyway.
Still, the probable SS figure will be a better purchase for adult collectors anyway.
True - it may be fine for a kiddie toy. But it ain't enough for ME
Hasbro is well aware, there will be a movie Primal just for you down the line, everyone wins (especially Hasbro).
Posted by william-james88 on March 17th, 2022 @ 11:52pm CDT
Emerje wrote:I think the easiest comparison for the Primal figure is to a Cyberverse Warrior class figure. Simple figure with nearly Deluxe articulation, just with the spring loaded weapon gimmick replaced by a weapon partner gimmick at roughly the same price point.
Emerje
Honestly, that Primal looks better than almost all the cyberverse warrior figures I've ever come across. It's really cool how he isn't compromised in any way by the gimmick.
Posted by primalxconvoy on March 18th, 2022 @ 7:43pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:I should take some notes:
Steal toys from company. Get invited to exclusive premiers.
Ok, got it! I now know the key to success!
I'm inclined to think now that the factories and probably Hasbro themselves are 'in' on it with this, to generate buzz for their pending figures. Otherwise, they'd be moving much more aggressively to stop these early leaks. Instead of inviting the primary beneficiary of those leaks over to root through their stuff with permission. Sometimes it really is who you know...
The main point, however, is that if that were true, both parties have then run afoul of YouTube's terms and conditions, which expressly forbids Youtubers from promoting items in this way without without stating that the items were supplied by (Hasbro) for promotional purposes and/or that the video is a sponsored video/hosts sponsored content:
-
"...You may include paid product placements, endorsements, sponsorships, or other content that requires disclosure to viewers in your videos.
If you choose to include any of the above, you have to let us know by selecting the paid promotion box in your video details. See instructions below.
All paid promotions need to follow our Ad Policies and Community Guidelines. You and the brands you work with are responsible for understanding and complying with their local and legal obligations to disclose Paid Promotion in their content. Some of these obligations include when and how to disclose, and to whom to disclose..."
(Source: - https://support.google.com/youtube/answ ... dorsements )
So, either YouTubers like this are either "in cahoots" with Hasbrk (thus breaking YouTube's terms and conditions) or they are receiving stolen goods.
In both cases, they are receiving goods illegitimately to create videos, giving them an unfair advantage over other Youtubers, whilst gaining illicit ad revenue.
My guess would be that he was able to attend due to other reasons, unconnected to his illegitimate videos. Perhaps Hasbro (UK/Asia) gave him the opportunity, without checking his credentials? Or, perhaps he's lying through his back teeth about his invite and they're haven't actually been any events (or that the events were real and open to anyone who knew about them/asked to attend)?
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 19th, 2022 @ 4:54am CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on March 19th, 2022 @ 5:13am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Or (the more likely scenario), hasbro marketing team invited him because of his online following. No conspiracy needed. However, this talk of reviewers isn't relevant to the conversation is it. Let's get back to talking the toys and what it might mean for the rest of the line. There is no need to hash out old arguments about PvP
There's no argument here; he received illegitimate TFs. I do agree that, if he has been invited, it might have been due to some ignorant Hasbro staff member simply looking at his numbers, but that's only due to the fact he gets stolen TFs. What's odd is that Chefatron or Tonton, also in the same thieves' guild, weren't invited.
However, I do appreciate that Seibertron no longer links to his videos, just some screenshots. If only his name could be ommited too. It's not as if he's going to cry fowl about "stealing his property", is it? Omitting his name, or the irrelevant info that he attended a Hasbro event would also help to keep the conversation relevant to the toys.
Please consider this; if Seibertron doesn't want us mentioning him, then Seibertron shouldn't mention him. Why add fuel to the fire and do your best to keep things on topic?
Anyway, the Primal doesn't look half bad. It seems to have more arm and leg articulation than Prime does. Perhaps the lack of colour palette is due to not wanting to confuse the kiddies (AKA, ignorant parents) with two similar "Prime" colour schemes?
Posted by william-james88 on March 19th, 2022 @ 1:32pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Or (the more likely scenario), hasbro marketing team invited him because of his online following. No conspiracy needed. However, this talk of reviewers isn't relevant to the conversation is it. Let's get back to talking the toys and what it might mean for the rest of the line. There is no need to hash out old arguments about PvP
Thanks, I only mentioned it in the article because unlike with the chefatron toy review, this review also has the extra information of comparison between the way the toy looks and what PVP was shown at the event. It is related to the news about this toy and gives fans here more information that they did not have before. It is in no way an invitation to rehash an ethics debate which can be done in a different thread if people so wish. We are just talking about the toy here. And I will keep crediting our sources unless they ask us not to credit them. That is the bare minimum for any news site.
Posted by Rogue-Primal on March 19th, 2022 @ 2:46pm CDT
They did fantastic job with his core class figure in Kingdom. Although i doubt he'll get a role in the film. Giant rat joke.
Posted by Till-all-R1 on March 19th, 2022 @ 6:47pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 19th, 2022 @ 7:22pm CDT
Posted by Rogue-Primal on March 20th, 2022 @ 10:29am CDT
Till-all-R1 wrote:But isn't core version enough? I would think a Deluxe would be too big, unless you're simply speaking about the engineering that goes into it being higher quality.
Rattrap has had 4 sizes
Scout Class Which is Bigger than Core Class and Legends.
Deluxe Transmetal Upgrade.
Mega Class in Beast Machines, did he really need such a size like supreme cheetor.
And recently Generations Rattrap was a deluxe which was that size to give him hidden bombs in his wrists.
SO yeah i would want a deluxe next to give him some more detailing.
Posted by bvzxa on March 20th, 2022 @ 3:04pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:I should take some notes:
Steal toys from company. Get invited to exclusive premiers.
Ok, got it! I now know the key to success!
I'm inclined to think now that the factories and probably Hasbro themselves are 'in' on it with this, to generate buzz for their pending figures. Otherwise, they'd be moving much more aggressively to stop these early leaks. Instead of inviting the primary beneficiary of those leaks over to root through their stuff with permission. Sometimes it really is who you know...
They aren't in on it at all. PvP is not stupid he is not a Hasbro rep and will not cross the line. Paramount is not aware of how this works and it's their movie. But Lore Keeper is right it's foul and many sites give them praise or even go as far as silencing any comments about such. We have been talking to Hasbro from our FB Group about this but due to COVID the security at factories are laxed. Don't worry their time is coming.
Posted by bvzxa on March 20th, 2022 @ 3:09pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Or (the more likely scenario), hasbro marketing team invited him because of his online following. No conspiracy needed. However, this talk of reviewers isn't relevant to the conversation is it. Let's get back to talking the toys and what it might mean for the rest of the line. There is no need to hash out old arguments about PvP
As a heads up, we have been emailing and PMing Hasbro about this from our FB group. The admin of the group has spoken to Hasbro on several occasions. One thing is certain he is NOT a Hasbro rep or in any way associated with Hasbro. PvP can never officially state that he is and that is 100% facts.
Posted by bvzxa on March 20th, 2022 @ 3:13pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Lore Keeper wrote:I should take some notes:
Steal toys from company. Get invited to exclusive premiers.
Ok, got it! I now know the key to success!
I'm inclined to think now that the factories and probably Hasbro themselves are 'in' on it with this, to generate buzz for their pending figures. Otherwise, they'd be moving much more aggressively to stop these early leaks. Instead of inviting the primary beneficiary of those leaks over to root through their stuff with permission. Sometimes it really is who you know...
The main point, however, is that if that were true, both parties have then run afoul of YouTube's terms and conditions, which expressly forbids Youtubers from promoting items in this way without without stating that the items were supplied by (Hasbro) for promotional purposes and/or that the video is a sponsored video/hosts sponsored content:
-"...You may include paid product placements, endorsements, sponsorships, or other content that requires disclosure to viewers in your videos.
If you choose to include any of the above, you have to let us know by selecting the paid promotion box in your video details. See instructions below.
All paid promotions need to follow our Ad Policies and Community Guidelines. You and the brands you work with are responsible for understanding and complying with their local and legal obligations to disclose Paid Promotion in their content. Some of these obligations include when and how to disclose, and to whom to disclose..."
(Source: - https://support.google.com/youtube/answ ... dorsements )
So, either YouTubers like this are either "in cahoots" with Hasbrk (thus breaking YouTube's terms and conditions) or they are receiving stolen goods.
In both cases, they are receiving goods illegitimately to create videos, giving them an unfair advantage over other Youtubers, whilst gaining illicit ad revenue.
My guess would be that he was able to attend due to other reasons, unconnected to his illegitimate videos. Perhaps Hasbro (UK/Asia) gave him the opportunity, without checking his credentials? Or, perhaps he's lying through his back teeth about his invite and they're haven't actually been any events (or that the events were real and open to anyone who knew about them/asked to attend)?
We have spoken to Hasbro...he is not a Hasbro rep at all. Most likely scenario is Paramount (if he was truly invited at all) is not aware of how he has gotten the toys. If he truly worked for Hasbro hen he would have to state these early reviews are promotion, as we know Hasbro schedules their reveals with such events as Fans First Fridays, in which the last one was a bust as the thieves shown the toys months in advance. I personally don't think Hasbro UK is in cahoots with anyone it's just Hasbro is slow to act.
Posted by primalxconvoy on March 20th, 2022 @ 3:14pm CDT
bvzxa wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Or (the more likely scenario), hasbro marketing team invited him because of his online following. No conspiracy needed. However, this talk of reviewers isn't relevant to the conversation is it. Let's get back to talking the toys and what it might mean for the rest of the line. There is no need to hash out old arguments about PvP
As a heads up, we have been emailing and PMing Hasbro about this from our FB group. The admin of the group has spoken to Hasbro on several occasions. One thing is certain he is NOT a Hasbro rep or in any way associated with Hasbro. PvP can never officially state that he is and that is 100% facts.
Thank you for the additional information, however, I think you've triple posted here, when all you needed was the one reply?
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 20th, 2022 @ 3:17pm CDT
Posted by bvzxa on March 20th, 2022 @ 4:58pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:bvzxa wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Or (the more likely scenario), hasbro marketing team invited him because of his online following. No conspiracy needed. However, this talk of reviewers isn't relevant to the conversation is it. Let's get back to talking the toys and what it might mean for the rest of the line. There is no need to hash out old arguments about PvP
As a heads up, we have been emailing and PMing Hasbro about this from our FB group. The admin of the group has spoken to Hasbro on several occasions. One thing is certain he is NOT a Hasbro rep or in any way associated with Hasbro. PvP can never officially state that he is and that is 100% facts.
Thank you for the additional information, however, I think you've triple posted here, when all you needed was the one reply?
I replied as a see fit. Sorry not sorry that offended you.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 20th, 2022 @ 7:58pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on March 30th, 2022 @ 9:40am CDT
These photos/review give us a good look at what to expect from Bumblebee's robot mode in the film. It still keeps a lot of the traditional Bayverse Bee designs, such as the layers of metal, the blaster and the face, while also being smoother in certain areas. You'll let us know what you think!
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on March 30th, 2022 @ 10:04am CDT
The flip-out Plasma cannon in particular is really neat!
Posted by Barricade.it on March 30th, 2022 @ 10:14am CDT
The alt mode is nice but the robot mode is ugly, with that huge backpack and the doors standing stiff backward.
It's clear that this is a kids oriented line, but it's a bit too plain even for kids (and actually, I think in the hands of a kid those doors will surely break in that position)
Posted by william-james88 on March 30th, 2022 @ 10:25am CDT
Barricade.it wrote:Quite mediocre figure.
The alt mode is nice but the robot mode is ugly, with that huge backpack and the doors standing stiff backward.
It's clear that this is a kids oriented line, but it's a bit too plain even for kids (and actually, I think in the hands of a kid those doors will surely break in that position)
Looking at the transformation, it looks too complicated for kids as well. That bit about unpegging the lower half and replugging it in a tiny tab within the shell looks far too minutia a step for a kid who'd be fine with a toy of this limited articulation. The Primal is the better of these toys with the complexity being well in tune with the look and simplicity of the toy for an overal fun exprience.
Posted by SpaceEagle on March 30th, 2022 @ 12:01pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on March 30th, 2022 @ 1:01pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:The flip-out Plasma cannon in particular is really neat!
It is neat. They had it in that AOE/TLK deluxe Bee and now even the younger kids can enjoy that.
Posted by transformers_va on March 30th, 2022 @ 5:33pm CDT
When I was a child, I had G1 toys, which is why I'm still a huge fan. If these were the toys I had back then, I don't think I'd be a fan now.
Posted by william-james88 on March 30th, 2022 @ 5:34pm CDT
transformers_va wrote:Good grief! That looks like garbage!!
When I was a child, I had G1 toys, which is why I'm still a huge fan. If these were the toys I had back then, I don't think I'd be a fan now.
Your toys had better articulation?
Posted by cloudballoon on March 30th, 2022 @ 5:47pm CDT
SpaceEagle wrote:It's way too silly of me to even think this would happen but is it wrong that i was honestly hoping that they'd change 'Bee's face? It's not the worst of the Bayverse noggins but I was really hoping we'd have something more akin to G1 BB. (Not because I'm a Geewunner, I do genuinely like a lot of the Bayverse designs but BB's face never really appealed to me.)
I hated the Bayverse' BB face. Too skeletal. However I did like the versions that he had the faceplate on. I didn't find the change they did to BB's face in his own movie, but it looked much better and I at least am not hating it.
Posted by transformers_va on March 30th, 2022 @ 5:56pm CDT
No, my toys did not "has" better articulation, but they did HAVE better quality, better designs, better transformations, etc. (of course, this is all imo) That thing in the picture looks like the kiddie toys from McDonald'swilliam-james88 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Good grief! That looks like garbage!!
When I was a child, I had G1 toys, which is why I'm still a huge fan. If these were the toys I had back then, I don't think I'd be a fan now.
Your toys had better articulation?
Posted by TulioDude on March 30th, 2022 @ 11:31pm CDT
Day 821 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.
Posted by Emerje on March 31st, 2022 @ 10:05am CDT
Emerje
Posted by Till-all-R1 on March 31st, 2022 @ 12:52pm CDT
transformers_va wrote:No, my toys did not "has" better articulation, but they did HAVE better quality, better designs, better transformations, etc. (of course, this is all imo) That thing in the picture looks like the kiddie toys from McDonald'swilliam-james88 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Good grief! That looks like garbage!!
When I was a child, I had G1 toys, which is why I'm still a huge fan. If these were the toys I had back then, I don't think I'd be a fan now.
Your toys had better articulation?
I will say that the original figures had a certain "quality" to them the today's toys do not, back then they felt almost real due to the metal parts etc. creating sharp lines and detail. While today most of them come off looing cheaply made. That said, I really like how the articulation has evolved beyond them looking like a stilt statue as well as the how much the detail has improved with head sculpts.
So this is why I'm often conflicted on whether to buy the new stuff or not, it almost feels like a trade off in quality over function. Yet I still wouldn't prefer OG G1 figures over what's being made today.
Posted by william-james88 on March 31st, 2022 @ 1:44pm CDT
Till-all-R1 wrote:transformers_va wrote:No, my toys did not "has" better articulation, but they did HAVE better quality, better designs, better transformations, etc. (of course, this is all imo) That thing in the picture looks like the kiddie toys from McDonald'swilliam-james88 wrote:transformers_va wrote:Good grief! That looks like garbage!!
When I was a child, I had G1 toys, which is why I'm still a huge fan. If these were the toys I had back then, I don't think I'd be a fan now.
Your toys had better articulation?
I will say that the original figures had a certain "quality" to them the today's toys do not, back then they felt almost real due to the metal parts etc. creating sharp lines and detail. While today most of them come off looing cheaply made. That said, I really like how the articulation has evolved beyond them looking like a stilt statue as well as the how much the detail has improved with head sculpts.
So this is why I'm often conflicted on whether to buy the new stuff or not, it almost feels like a trade off in quality over function. Yet I still wouldn't prefer OG G1 figures over what's being made today.
Transformations improved as well and today's toys no longer have partsforming fists. Plus they look closer to the show and have better proportions. And people like to bring up the metal component, which I admit is cool and invokes some type of quality, but it wasn't present throughout most of G1, just the beginning. Honestly, if G1 toys like Optimus and Starscream which had a kid needing to keep their hands stored somewhere have become so beloved and inspired fans to collect for life, then so can these ROTB toys aimed at younger kids.
Posted by Emerje on March 31st, 2022 @ 7:18pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by william-james88 on March 31st, 2022 @ 11:38pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Not to mention the lack of stickers to make fake details (aside from in Titans Return) in modern toys. And really, Bumblebee is just as complex as the majority of G1 figures.
Emerje
He's more complex. The sad truth is that if Hasbro released figures today that had the same articulation, complexity, proportions and as screen innacurate as G1 figures but for a new show, most collectors would complain, call foul, and say that these look like Happy Meal toys.
Posted by Emerje on April 1st, 2022 @ 9:37pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:Not to mention the lack of stickers to make fake details (aside from in Titans Return) in modern toys. And really, Bumblebee is just as complex as the majority of G1 figures.
Emerje
He's more complex. The sad truth is that if Hasbro released figures today that had the same articulation, complexity, proportions and as screen innacurate as G1 figures but for a new show, most collectors would complain, call foul, and say that these look like Happy Meal toys.
So basically Beast Machines.
Emerje
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 2nd, 2022 @ 3:09pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 10th, 2022 @ 11:48am CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on April 10th, 2022 @ 12:06pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 10th, 2022 @ 6:33pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:They're supposed to drop this month, any word?
Word is they got pushed to fall release in new cyberverse packaging. These figures are not in ports at the moment.
Posted by william-james88 on April 16th, 2022 @ 8:09am CDT
F4110 Tra Mv7 Spark Racers Ast 2400 pcs (300 cartons)
F4113 Tra Mv7 Spark Chargers ast 4800 pcs (600 cartons)
It does show what we were expecting, these toys will just show up on shelves without announcement, unless Hasbro announces them soon.