New Renders - Takara Tomy Masterpiece Beast Wars Optimus Primal

That has to be the best-proportioned season 1 Primal toy design we've ever gotten.

But the big heels on the feet in both modes concern me.

So Cool!

Emerje wrote:I'm sure. I thought I was being careful, but a put some pressure on the back of the part to get it on the back of Magnaboss' head and the whole piece caved in. TFWiki says GPS is rare on him, but I think it's more like owners just don't transform him enough to notice.

It's not rare on him, just have to be careful. All it takes is one little slip up unfortunately. Mine has survived so far, but mostly because of lack of use. I have a few backups from the Seibertron.com store though that I'm holding on to just in case.

I'm liking the look and the aesthetic. I likes a lot.

Ok, I am back in. They are doing a totally new and different transformation here. And I get it. The gorilla head is far better proportioned and thus too small to turn into the chest. So instead, it fold into the backpak.

Cant wait to see this guy in finished to form!

william-james88 wrote:Ok, I am back in. They are doing a totally new and different transformation here. And I get it. The gorilla head is far better proportioned and thus too small to turn into the chest. So instead, it fold into the backpak.

Cant wait to see this guy in finished to form!

Welcome back aboard the hype train

I cannot wait to seem more of this guy, weighed down only slightly by the appearance of a button on his back that might interfere with his articulation - still cautiously hyped

*sigh* I think I'll have to get this and BWMP Megatron whenever it comes out.

Color me intrigued. The general wire frame render looks quite interesting. However, was the chest thumping gimmick of the original so iconic we need to recreate it on the MP version? I would have been happy with all the accessories, and a head swapping gimmick.

But, I just keep wanting this guy more and more the more we see of him.

Could at least bot arms in beast mode to make it more beast like instead half beast and robot in gorilla mode

I have to admit, it looks pretty awesome.

Too bad I won't be getting one. I'm holding out hope for MP transmetal OP and Megatron. I need monkeys on skateboards and dinosaurs on rollerskates.

kurthy wrote:I have to admit, it looks pretty awesome.

Too bad I won't be getting one. I'm holding out hope for MP transmetal OP and Megatron. I need monkeys on skateboards and dinosaurs on rollerskates.

That's a shame; but why are you hoping for a MP TM o/p and megs?

They are already show accurate, and fully functional and poseable. If you were saying a re-issue (in new non-breaking plastics) I could get behind that, but not MP's of them - unless you just wan them to get bigger figures

I could see megs' mp getting rolling wheels, multi-directional fans, gun barrels molded into the dino fingers, and alternate tail-claw plug-in's for a golden disk accessory. Don't get me wrong, they'd be great, I'm just wondering why you are holding out for this, when there doesn't really seem to be a reason for them.

This is beautiful. My only complaint is that I'll have to pay import prices because Hasbro has decided to snub Beast Wars entirely.

Hope we get a Megatron to go with.

Only BW fig I own

Magmatron
Big
Lio
Glamvatron
Megastorm
BB and Starsrem
Dirge and Thrust

That's how I "despise" the line but this munkky is sooooo bought the moment the pre-orders are in!

He just looks soooooooo KONG!

Meh.

Bot mode looks OK, but from what we've seen I just can't get behind that gorilla mode. Just doesn't feel like a Masterpiece to me, more like a Voyager or maybe a Leader. Perhaps the actual figure will win me over, we'll see.

I'm still going to buy it either way since it's a Masterpiece, but I wont be happy about it.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Meh.

Bot mode looks OK, but from what we've seen I just can't get behind that gorilla mode. Just doesn't feel like a Masterpiece to me, more like a Voyager or maybe a Leader. Perhaps the actual figure will win me over, we'll see.

I'm still going to buy it either way since it's a Masterpiece, but I wont be happy about it.

Emerje

And yet, no one has answered my question: What are they supposed to do to make it look like a fully-fur-covered gorilla? - unless you are referring to some issue that I cannot glean...

Seriously, he is working with minimal mass, they would have to have an extraordinary amount of panel forming to cover all of his bot parts...

I can sympathize that those parts will stand out when molded in white plastic, but my point remains, that TT just can't do it and have him be an equitable, poseable, over-fiddly, toy

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Meh.

Bot mode looks OK, but from what we've seen I just can't get behind that gorilla mode. Just doesn't feel like a Masterpiece to me, more like a Voyager or maybe a Leader. Perhaps the actual figure will win me over, we'll see.

I'm still going to buy it either way since it's a Masterpiece, but I wont be happy about it.

Emerje

And yet, no one has answered my question: What are they supposed to do to make it look like a fully-fur-covered gorilla? - unless you are referring to some issue that I cannot glean...

Seriously, he is working with minimal mass, they would have to have an extraordinary amount of panel forming to cover all of his bot parts...

I can sympathize that those parts will stand out when molded in white plastic, but my point remains, that TT just can't do it and have him be an equitable, poseable, over-fiddly, toy

Sticking felt like materials (?) on the surface or mold the "organic" monkey part surface in a fuzzy like consistency?

fenrir72 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Meh.

Bot mode looks OK, but from what we've seen I just can't get behind that gorilla mode. Just doesn't feel like a Masterpiece to me, more like a Voyager or maybe a Leader. Perhaps the actual figure will win me over, we'll see.

I'm still going to buy it either way since it's a Masterpiece, but I wont be happy about it.

Emerje

And yet, no one has answered my question: What are they supposed to do to make it look like a fully-fur-covered gorilla? - unless you are referring to some issue that I cannot glean...

Seriously, he is working with minimal mass, they would have to have an extraordinary amount of panel forming to cover all of his bot parts...

I can sympathize that those parts will stand out when molded in white plastic, but my point remains, that TT just can't do it and have him be an equitable, poseable, over-fiddly, toy

Sticking felt like materials (?) on the surface or mold the "organic" monkey part surface in a fuzzy like consistency?

Well they probably will be, these are just the wire-frame, base render, textures would have a separate layer, and the textured molding would also have a separate layer. Turning them off lets you see the model in better detail.

will it have real fur

It would be hilarious if it was flocked.

Like this...






Hilariously disappointing.

Ultra Markus wrote:will it have real fur

I think gorillas are an endangered species, so probably not.

Cobotron wrote:It would be hilarious if it was flocked.

Like this...






Hilariously disappointing.

I was thinking the same thing.

Nemesis Primal wrote:This is beautiful. My only complaint is that I'll have to pay import prices because Hasbro has decided to snub Beast Wars entirely.

You dont have to pay import prices, just cut the middle man and import him yourself, at most it will be the same price as Hasbro.

Hasbro MP Bluestreak was 60$
Right this very second you can buy MP Tracks for the same amount shipped, just pick the SAL shipping option: http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

Common misconception but for MPs, on average, the cost of buying it from japan and shipping it to yourself is the same price if not cheaper than Hasbro will be when they reelase it 2-3 years later (oh and you dont pay tax for the import, unlike if you bought it at TRU).

So keep an eye on this thread, we will report when its available from japan for the best price possible.

hope it comes with fur it wouldn't be a masterpieces if it didn't

Hellscream9999 wrote:

kurthy wrote:I have to admit, it looks pretty awesome.

Too bad I won't be getting one. I'm holding out hope for MP transmetal OP and Megatron. I need monkeys on skateboards and dinosaurs on rollerskates.

That's a shame; but why are you hoping for a MP TM o/p and megs?

They are already show accurate, and fully functional and poseable. If you were saying a re-issue (in new non-breaking plastics) I could get behind that, but not MP's of them - unless you just wan them to get bigger figures

I could see megs' mp getting rolling wheels, multi-directional fans, gun barrels molded into the dino fingers, and alternate tail-claw plug-in's for a golden disk accessory. Don't get me wrong, they'd be great, I'm just wondering why you are holding out for this, when there doesn't really seem to be a reason for them.

Can I go with all of the above?

When I was a teenager I never really cared for the original BW toys but loved the switch to TM and TM2. I sold off my original collection with those years ago and recently got back in with my son. And he loves Beast Wars a lot more than Prime or G1 (I'm probably not going to show him original RID or the unicron trilogy).

Hellscream9999 wrote:Seriously, he is working with minimal mass, they would have to have an extraordinary amount of panel forming to cover all of his bot parts...

Why would this be a bad thing? If the smaller Autobot cars can have a bunch of panel folding to hide car parts in bot mode why Can't a more iconic character like Optimus Primal have the same level of detail? Even little Deluxe Rattrap has a hidden panel in his rat head so his neck isn't exposed standing upright (the chest on the other hand...), you're telling me massive Masterpiece Primal can't hide panels in his butt to cover the hips?

Nope, I see no excuse for exposed robot parts in gorilla mode, that's just lazy engineering. And anyone that thinks the feet look OK are being ridiculously forgiving to a so-called Masterpiece figure.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Seriously, he is working with minimal mass, they would have to have an extraordinary amount of panel forming to cover all of his bot parts...

Why would this be a bad thing? If the smaller Autobot cars can have a bunch of panel folding to hide car parts in bot mode why Can't a more iconic character like Optimus Primal have the same level of detail? Even little Deluxe Rattrap has a hidden panel in his rat head so his neck isn't exposed standing upright (the chest on the other hand...), you're telling me massive Masterpiece Primal can't hide panels in his butt to cover the hips?

Nope, I see no excuse for exposed robot parts in gorilla mode, that's just lazy engineering. And anyone that thinks the feet look OK are being ridiculously forgiving to a so-called Masterpiece figure.

Emerje

So where and how would you design the panels so the figure is still articulated and cartoon accurate?

But I do think something more could have been done with the feet

What if the reason hasbro hasn't announced any beast wars stuff is because they're going to bring that over here? There's no licensing issues or anything so it should be smooth sailing.

Microraptor wrote:What if the reason hasbro hasn't announced any beast wars stuff is because they're going to bring that over here? There's no licensing issues or anything so it should be smooth sailing.

Well, with their history of not bringing over figures TT makes, I won't bother waiting. They lost out on a chance to get my money

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Microraptor wrote:What if the reason hasbro hasn't announced any beast wars stuff is because they're going to bring that over here? There's no licensing issues or anything so it should be smooth sailing.

Well, with their history of not bringing over figures TT makes, I won't bother waiting. They lost out on a chance to get my money

If they come to their senses and decide to do it, and if they announce before TT releases (or at least before I purchase theirs), I'll consider Hasbro's version. But I'm definitely not waiting for them. Right now I've got no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt.

william-james88 wrote: than Hasbro will be when they reelase it 2-3 years later

Two or three years from now won't be a special occasion for Beast Wars, which means there's no reason to think they'd bother, so if they don't make a move this year, I'd be inclined to believe they don't intend to put it on shelves at all.

I hope it doesn't have real fur, or felt fur, or whatever. It's a masterpiece. I want it to look like it stepped out of the cartoon in both modes, dodgy cgi fur and all. Heck, I want it to look like that initial reveal. I know it was just a mock up, but that's the look I want for my BW MP's.


And yeah, why couldn't it have some panels that fold down into his lower legs that cover up his thighs in beast mode? Although that would probably remove knee articulation. It must be possible to do somehow.


Hmmm. I wonder if he'll have his arm blasters in both forearms? And a deploying faceplate? He'd better have his two swords.

Well, I'm not jumping on any hype trains yet. You Damon kids are still too loud.
Buuuuuuutttttttt.................


I am changing from a hard nope, to a cautiously optimistic. I still want to see an actual figure, but its looking better.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote: than Hasbro will be when they reelase it 2-3 years later

Two or three years from now won't be a special occasion for Beast Wars, which means there's no reason to think they'd bother, so if they don't make a move this year, I'd be inclined to believe they don't intend to put it on shelves at all.

By your logic we shouldnt have had Generations Rhinox, Rattrap and Waspinator then since it wasnt related to an anniversary. But we did.

Here is an argument that works though:

Hasbro can always bring in an already developed figure to the Western market if they think it will make money.

I hope MP Primal does well so we can get more MP Beast Warsians and maybe even stretch to more transformers lines. Still hoping for a MP Dinobot though.

munkimus prime wrote:I hope MP Primal does well so we can get more MP Beast Warsians and maybe even stretch to more transformers lines. Still hoping for a MP Dinobot though.

Yeah, I would like a MP Armada Super Prime, with articulated super mode and base mode, it should work if designed intelligently

Ironhidensh wrote:Well, I'm not jumping on any hype trains yet. You Damon kids are still too loud.
Buuuuuuutttttttt.................


I am changing from a hard nope, to a cautiously optimistic. I still want to see an actual figure, but its looking better.

I'll take that, gotta spread the joy

Another image taken of Primal:

Twin swords, lights, realistic poses, pop out guns, all the bot parts are covered in beast mode, and multiple faces! Nice

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Another image taken of Primal:

D@NG! He's got batteries?!

fenrir72 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Another image taken of Primal:

D@NG! He's got batteries?!

So THAT'S what the button on his back is for

Yep! Swords, guns, and lights!

It's just a shame they kept the toy's non-existent elbows thing that cw dead end has, it just doesn't look right on any figure

Fellow Seibertronians: To go along with the reveal of Unite Warriors Blastoff, we now have more images of the new Masterpiece Optimus Primal! These images show us that Primal will boast a light-up gimmick, in addition to arm cannons, back cannons and his swords, not to mention 3 different beast mode faces! What do you think of these new developments? Make you want to buy the guy? Head on down to the comments section to voice your opinion, and stay tuned for more information!

Hahaha that third gorilla face down is creepy.
I am excited get more variety out of the masterpiece line.
Hopefully a masterpiece transmutate will happen! (jk)

Awesome. I wonder how it will scale with the recent Voyager Rhinox.

This thing is gorgeous, I, I, I just, I can hear him now... this takes me right back to watching the show as a kid, it's so beautiful I'm crying

Deathsaurus1 wrote:Hahaha that third gorilla face down is creepy.
I am excited get more variety out of the masterpiece line.
Hopefully a masterpiece transmutate will happen! (jk)

But we already got that with 15th anniversary

Unless you wanted one that could actually fly... TT could probably manage it

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote: than Hasbro will be when they reelase it 2-3 years later

Two or three years from now won't be a special occasion for Beast Wars, which means there's no reason to think they'd bother, so if they don't make a move this year, I'd be inclined to believe they don't intend to put it on shelves at all.

By your logic we shouldnt have had Generations Rhinox, Rattrap and Waspinator then since it wasnt related to an anniversary. But we did.

It actually was an anniversary, one for the franchise as a whole, and those three fit into the existing price points rather than needing a dedicated shelf space for just the one figure.

I certainly shouldn't have dismissed it as impossible, I'll grant that, but I still believe there's reason to be pessimistic

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Another image taken of Primal:

Now THAT is a true masterpiece.

Well, this image sure has changed some minds no?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Deathsaurus1 wrote:Hahaha that third gorilla face down is creepy.
I am excited get more variety out of the masterpiece line.
Hopefully a masterpiece transmutate will happen! (jk)

But we already got that with 15th anniversary

Unless you wanted one that could actually fly... TT could probably manage it

I want one that can scream!

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Well, this image sure has changed some minds no?

Exactly as I predicted

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote: than Hasbro will be when they reelase it 2-3 years later

Two or three years from now won't be a special occasion for Beast Wars, which means there's no reason to think they'd bother, so if they don't make a move this year, I'd be inclined to believe they don't intend to put it on shelves at all.

By your logic we shouldnt have had Generations Rhinox, Rattrap and Waspinator then since it wasnt related to an anniversary. But we did.

It actually was an anniversary, one for the franchise as a whole, and those three fit into the existing price points rather than needing a dedicated shelf space for just the one figure.

I certainly shouldn't have dismissed it as impossible, I'll grant that, but I still believe there's reason to be pessimistic

For those of you waiting for Hasbro to release Masterpiece figures, you're really missing out. Not to mention that Hasbro's recent Masterpieces cost as much, if not more, as the Takara versions with the exception of Grimlock and the Seekers (which I guess just leaves my point with Prowl and Bluestreak).