New Production Shots of Transformers Kingdom Optimus Primal, Rattrap and Cheetor

Primal looks so good. Rattrap keeps looking better to me (and more affordable than his T30 self). Cheetor's... Not perfect, but still better than nothing (I actually dig the tail axe, but the blue color keeps changing shades based on lighting so it's hard for me to know if I like the blue or not ). I'm still surprised at the fact that these guys are actually getting made, but it's such a fun experience seeing them get the same love that G1's been getting

That sexy ape will be mine!

Oh, these look so nice. 5mm hands and a Munky as big as Trukk! So glad I preordered all on Amazon, who knows when I'll get them but at least they've never canceled on me like Walmart or Target. I know Rattrap will fit in ER Prime's trailer but I wonder if Cheetor would too? That would make for some cool pics.

Primal is looking better and better
He looked pretty short in comparison to the primes though, im wondering if that was his stance and position in relation to them or if hes really that short

aronjlove wrote:Oh, these look so nice. 5mm hands and a Munky as big as Trukk! So glad I preordered all on Amazon, who knows when I'll get them but at least they've never canceled on me like Walmart or Target. I know Rattrap will fit in ER Prime's trailer but I wonder if Cheetor would too? That would make for some cool pics.

I was thinking the same about rattrap that would be so fun
And id like to think cheetor will fit as well, considering his beast mode isn't too wide and has enough articulation to crouch down

Razorbeast88 wrote:Primal is looking better and better
He looked pretty short in comparison to the primes though, im wondering if that was his stance and position in relation to them or if hes really that short

Primal is in more of a crouch than the Primes behind him, but with the perspective and angle of the photo, I cannot tell how much taller he will actually be with his legs straight.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I was thinking the same about rattrap that would be so fun
And id like to think cheetor will fit as well, considering his beast mode isn't too wide and has enough articulation to crouch down

You're right, looking at the beast-mode legs I now they did do a good job on the animal knees. Kitty crouched down in the back of the trailer with one of the Datsun bros trying to convince him to come out

what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.

Cheetor -yes! Primal - yeeesssss!!! Rattrap, no freaking way. Those shoulders have turned me away since the first shots. I always say they are on sideways, face the sides not the front.

griftimus prime wrote:what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.

To be fair, this is the first time that he beast modes have designed to look more realistic compared to their past incarnations. I think they did a great job here.

griftimus prime wrote:what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.

When the fuck did we ever get an actual update to season 1 Primal in all of CHUG? We never had fully new molds of these characters in a collection meant for them to be proportional to eachother. There's been 5 lines of G1 before these that do that, this is the first time for Beast Wars, let us enjoy it.

griftimus prime wrote:what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.

Yeah lets get experimental with the Beast Wars guys because we have just been getting so much of them haven't we? The Beast Wars anniversary that celebrates these underappreciated characters is just the perfect place too! With everybody having a copy of the original versions there's no value to what their doing here eh?

Ok question: are we expecting Slammer to be a retool of either Fasttrack or Warpath? Or a new mold entirely or what? I'm mostly just wondering if he'll end up being a weaponizer.

Poly Wraith wrote:Ok question: are we expecting Slammer to be a retool of either Fasttrack or Warpath? Or a new mold entirely or what? I'm mostly just wondering if he'll end up being a weaponizer.

I could see Slammer as a retool of Warpath as Metroplex already has a weaponizer, plus the vehicle mode is closer to Slammer's than Brunt or Fasttrack's. Though, if we get him as a new Weaponizer, I'd be interested to see what people make by combining him with Six-Gun

I really hope Slammer is a weaponizer, since all the other Titan partners are as well, for the sake of consistency

o.supreme wrote:I really hope Slammer is a weaponizer, since all the other Titan partners are as well, for the sake of consistency

Pretty sure a leak said Slammer wasn't a Weaponizer and it makes sense since all of the Weaponizers (and Modulators) have had repaints and Hasbro has now moved on to Fossilizers. If for some reason they did make a new Weaponizer for Slammer then what would his repaint be?

I'm not convinced that Primal is the same size as Prime. Yeah, his legs are bent, but being closer to to the camera should make up for that. At best I would say he's a head shorter coming to Prime's shoulders.

Emerje

griftimus prime wrote:what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.

True and the Season One show designs are the most uninteresting. Cheetor's design for example, is hideous. Even the MP. By the same token, his Transmetal 1 design is one of the best in the show. Which is why my curiosity was piqued by Polar Claw, but alas. The Beast Wars toyline had far more interesting designs than you ever really saw in the first season of the show.

However, much like the G1 CHUG lines, some are never happy unless we get the same looks repeated over and over again. In the case of G1, Updated annually. Because, "better" colours/engineering/scale/whatever.
Making them look as different as night and.. later that night.

Even if they did have to stick to the show cast (ala what the MP line is already doing) leaning more into the more visceral designs of the toys would have been better. Which they kind of have with Blackarachnia's Beast Mode. However, the Bot Modes still have to be akin to the show. So in spite of the whining, I agree it is a missed opportunity. However, since Earthrise, I think the entirety of WFC has been.

I don't think counting what the mps are doing as to what Generations should do is unfair. Takara is in charge of the Masterpiece line whole Hasbro does Generations, so one should not control what thd others release and vice versa. I don't think there's anything wrong with this approach as it's the first time that Beast Wars has gotten the attention. Had this been the third attempt with beasts in the main line then fine, mix it up, but as this is their grand revival, keep it simple.

I seem to recall there was a previous anniversary line for Beast Wars. Although from what I've seen of them, they look awful. But (not comparing them in a quality sense) when it comes to this line and MP, regardless of who is putting it out, purely on a repetition of design, it is like...




The anniversary of Beast Wars doesn't limit the designs to season one.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I seem to recall there was a previous anniversary line for Beast Wars. Although from what I've seen of them, they look awful.

The 2006 line? That was just the old 1996-1998 molds, plus the Cyber Key-compatible Primal and Megatron toys.

Yeah, that's the one. With these things:





As far as WFC is concerned. A modern update to the Transmetals would have been a lot more in keeping with the rest of the line.

Alternatively WFC consisting of the Original Beast Wars roster could have been a better way of acknowledging the anniversary.

Yeah but to be blunt, Hasbro doesn't care about Takara's Masterpiece line. However, something important to consider. We only know the full retail breakdown of the line. Amazon exclusives could still give you Transmetals.

Also something else i didn't think about before. Using Season 1 designs makes it easier for Netflix when they get around to animating it, they won't have to waste time explaining why some of the cast are in s1 bodies and why some are Transmetals etc


Then there's also the comic to think about...

Plus, let's not put the cart in front of the ox. Beast Wars S01 first.

Then I'm pretty sure the next trilogy will go full Beasts. We will see the Transmetals and even some Beast Machines.

ZeroWolf wrote: Amazon exclusives could still give you Transmetals.

I doubt that. Transmetals are more than just redecos. No season one design even shares the slightest visual cue with their Transmetal counterpart. Barring some faces.

ZeroWolf wrote:Then there's also the comic to think about...

I'd rather not

-Kanrabat- wrote:Plus, let's not put the cart in front of the ox. Beast Wars S01 first.

Then I'm pretty sure the next trilogy will go full Beasts. We will see the Transmetals and even some Beast Machines.

Cynically, I don't see WFC being the swansong to the G1-fixation of the past few years. As many of us might have hoped.

Earthrise Ironhide is more then a redeco neither was Repungus and Punch/ Counterpunch.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Cynically, I don't see WFC being the swansong to the G1-fixation of the past few years. As many of us might have hoped.

I don't know about that. Studio Series will take over for a while. This may allow Generations to explore new grounds. It will still remain "mini MP" for a while. I'd love them to revisit the Unicron Trilogy.

I would love to see something done with UT, Animated etc But, I mean this year is the 20th anniversary of Car Robots and, in spite of COVID, they’ve chosen to all but ignore it in favour of more G1.

Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):

No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):

No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

On the optimistic side, im sure kingdom will sell well. There are plenty of BW fans and im sure even non-BW fans are gonna jump on that leader Megatron
Plenty of g1 fans are likely to get cyclonus, galvatron, and earth mode magnus as well

Its been a very slow transition but im hoping the generations toyline is headed in the direction of beast wars

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):

No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):

No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?

Didn't one of the leakers finally declare that it's Rodimus Prime?

Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well

That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP. Personally looking forward to all three of these in that line.

Plus, as mentioned before, in light of Starscream, Cyclonus and Waspinator. I wasn't expecting Terrorsaur in Kingdom.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):

No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?

I believe one of the leakers confirmed it's just Rodimus Prime woth a bunch of accessories, but don't quote me on that cause I think it was said in the SS86 thread and I mainly only check out Kingdom's for leaks

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well

That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP. Personally looking forward to all three of these in that line.

Plus, as mentioned before, in light of Starscream, Cyclonus and Waspinator. I wasn't expecting Terrorsaur in Kingdom.

As I said earlier, who or who isn't in Kingdom doesn't have any bearings on who or who isn't getting a Beast Wars Masterpiece figure. In fact it's entirely possible that Terrorsaur could getba Generations figure the exact same time as getting an MP. Takara don't care about what Hasbro does with Kingdom, the same as Hasbro don't care about the Masterpiece line (other than the Movie Masterpiece line of course)

Call me an optimist, but I'm pretty sure Kingdom is going to do well.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well

That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP.

I don't see how what comes out in one line has anything to do with what comes out in the other. They are 100% mutually exclusive.

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Not all bad news though as

No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well

That potentially paves the way for one of them being the next Beast Wars MP.

I don't see how what comes out in one line has anything to do with what comes out in the other. They are 100% mutually exclusive.

Exactly

MP's are collectors items, not action figures.

Entirely separate lines that have never had anything to do with Generations or other toy lines.

Plus MP Rattrap was teased way back when so he will likely be the next beast wars MP.

Indemand is saying Kingdoms due to arrive late November (likely December) on their farcebook page update 15/10/20 so Earthrise is getting an early send off and the the new stuffs in for the xmas rush in theory.

blackeyedprime wrote:Plus MP Rattrap was teased way back when so he will likely be the next beast wars MP.

Indemand is saying Kingdoms due to arrive late November (likely December) on their farcebook page update 15/10/20 so Earthrise is getting an early send off and the the new stuffs in for the xmas rush in theory.

In Demand is UK though, so I wonder if that prediction is UK only?

Not complaining, TF fans outside the US usually get the shaft so I enjoy hearing this kinda news. The only reason I bring it up is I see a lot of people outside the US got their Super Megatron while Pulse has pushed him back. And with the shenanigans with ER waves 2 and 3, I just don't see US retailers getting their act together by next month for Kingdom.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Bad news everyone: According to Pixelmaster on TFW (another credible leaker):

No trans metals
No Terrorsaur, Tarantulas and Inferno unless Kingdom does well
No show (mainframe) accurate retools, at most it’ll be in the same vein of Walmart 35th
The toy head in leaked copies aren’t in the final toy because toy BA is in selects

So it would appear that we won't be getting the whole S1 Predacon cast unless it sells well, and the alternate faceplate finally has an actual home

Interesting, but not surprising. Any more rumours about comander class?

Didn't one of the leakers finally declare that it's Rodimus Prime?

After Apollux's teases and comments all but confirming that Rodimus is the Commander, Pixelmaster was the one who outright said/confirmed it earlier this week, yes.

Whoever at Hasbro is responsible for this decision regarding the 3 missing Preds is someone I dislike immensely now by default.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Cynically, I don't see WFC being the swansong to the G1-fixation of the past few years. As many of us might have hoped.

Not cynically. Realistically.

We can't even get the frikkin' toys they're making now, so it's not like the demand is going away.

Greetings Seibertronians! Takara Tomy have been at their twitter account again, bringing us the promised group shot of Transformers Kingdom Optimus Primal, Cheetor and Rattrap (The first wave Maximals). The two images show the assembled Maximals in both Animal mode, and robot modes. Judging from promotional images and rumours, there is still plenty of characters to join their fight against Megatron and his Predacons.





That's not all though, as they have also given us our best look at the collectable Golden Disk cards that accompany the figures, replacing the map fragments from Earthrise. These cards are detailed like the golden disk from the Beast Wars TV show. They feature a sticker, that when removed, show an illustration of a characters fate.



Are you picking up these beasts? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

I really like when we get cards for the characters, but this sticker is kind of annoying. Still, I am looking forward to these figure coming out

I guess this answers the question of how tall Primal is. Looks about Ironhide height, but denser and with more accessories. I'm totally fine with that

So I have a question.

What is the likelihood these get a special release with metallic paintjobs a la Telemocha TM-SP DX Convoy?

I'm not feeling Cheetor's powdery blue, and never liked Primal's white limbs.

Would rather see some metallic Blue and silver on them instead.

I hav3 them pre-ordered regardless, but I'd like something shinier.

Overcracker wrote:So I have a question.

What is the likelihood these get a special release with metallic paintjobs a la Telemocha TM-SP DX Convoy?

I'm not feeling Cheetor's powdery blue, and never liked Primal's white limbs.

Would rather see some metallic Blue and silver on them instead.

I hav3 them pre-ordered regardless, but I'd like something shinier.

Sounds more like something Takara would do than Hasbro, and what Takara does with their Selects line is unpredictable.

My thoughts:
Blackarachnia: Looks alright from what I've seen, although her bosom ends up looking silly in spider mode.
Rattrap: Also looks alright.
Cheetor: Once again suffers as a result of trying to have an accurately-proportioned beast mode. He's not nearly as bad as the 2008 attempt, but it's still kinda painful. The MP gets away with it, yes, but at the price of a looooot of panel bs that you can't do on a Deluxe.
Optimus Primal: Fairly decent don't-mess-with-what's-not-broken design (unlike most CHUG toys of G1 Optimus), but slightly inferior to the Robotmasters take engineering-wise in that the swords are too big to stow in altmode and the gorilla toes don't fold up.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:So I have a question.

What is the likelihood these get a special release with metallic paintjobs a la Telemocha TM-SP DX Convoy?

I'm not feeling Cheetor's powdery blue, and never liked Primal's white limbs.

Would rather see some metallic Blue and silver on them instead.

I hav3 them pre-ordered regardless, but I'd like something shinier.

Sounds more like something Takara would do than Hasbro, and what Takara does with their Selects line is unpredictable.

Yes. Something Takara may be inclined to do at some point?

Overcracker wrote:
Yes. Something Takara may be inclined to do at some point?

This would be very surprising if Takara won't touch any beast molds for easy repaints. Same thing for Hasbro.

Welp, this confirms for me that pre-ordering Primal and Cheetor was the right decision. The two figures look awesome together. Cool!