New Images of TakaraTomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-31 Delta Magnus with Marissa Faireborn

I didn't know it came with Marissa Faireborn. That makes it go from a probably not to a maybe. It's got a slightly higher chance than Star Saber did but no where near as high a likelihood as Primal.

Glarryg wrote:

shajaki wrote:Also, it's been pointed out that MP-31 was named as Primal by a more reputable source. So it's likely that Delta's number designate is wrong

It's odd how some of the early Masterpiece redecoes that constituted new characters (like MP2 Magnus and the first versions of the Seekers) got new numbers. Lately, though, it seems like a straight-up new deco (like Tigertrack) gets a letter after the number, while it takes a retool (like Red Alert) to earn a new number. That said, it seem likely that Delta Magnus wouldn't be MP-31 unless there was some retooling involved, thus maintaining Munky's status as MP-31.

shajaki wrote:Oh man... dont even get me started on the numbering system. I've read some long winded debates over what TT's reasoning has been, and even then I don't think a solid conclusion was reached. Good ideas, but nothing solid.

The simplest answer is that new-character MPs that are sold at mass retail and not exclusives get their own numbers. All the lettered ones have been either exclusives and/or same-character-redecoed/remolded MPs.

The only one that seems to be an exception to this is MP-10B Black Convoy. I guess the marketing department didn't deem him different enough to get his own number.

What's the significance of Marisa Fairborn? It would have been really cool if he came with a Diaclone pilot figure instead.

And no Matrix hands, that I get.

Cobotron wrote:What's the significance of Marisa Fairborn? It would have been really cool if he came with a Diaclone pilot figure instead.

Marissa and Ultra Magnus teamed up in "The Killing Jar", but I guess she's coming with Ultra Magnus's redeco since Ultra Magnus already had Spike and Daniel come with him.

This is a recolor I never knew I wanted. I keep calling him Powered Convoy even though he's his own figure!!!!!! Curses!!

Oh well, unless he was $100 less, there's no way I'm getting him. shaj will get him, and pictures will be had.

Sabrblade wrote:The simplest answer is that new-character MPs that are sold at mass retail and not exclusives get their own numbers. All the lettered ones have been either exclusives and/or same-character-redecoed/remolded MPs.

The only one that seems to be an exception to this is MP-10B Black Convoy. I guess the marketing department didn't deem him different enough to get his own number.

I dont think there's any logic to it.

MP14-C and MP-31 are both diaclone redecos and yet one has a new number and one doesnt (TFSource is no longer the only one reporting that number). I still find it odd how the heavily retooled Ramjet is simply MP11NR. He deserves his own number. Plus, what's with the N in NR?

william-james88 wrote:MP14-C and MP-31 are both diaclone redecos and yet one has a new number and one doesnt (TFSource is no longer the only one reporting that number). I still find it odd how the heavily retooled Ramjet is simply MP11NR. He deserves his own number. Plus, what's with the N in NR?

Clampdown and Ramjet are exclusives. Delta Magnus is not.

As for the N, it is short for "New Jetron", which is what the Coneheads were called in Japan.

Looks nice, I may get him. I don't collect many MPs, but I like what i see so far. I wish they recolor CW/Legends Ultra Magnus like this, and repaint Minimus Ambus into a Diaclone driver. That would be awesome too. I think once I go full on collecting MPs, I may have to backtrack and get the Daiclone repaints.

I'm excited for this - I have my problems with the Magnus mold, but this recolor is totally worth it to me. Especially since he comes with Magnus glasses face!

megatronus wrote:I'm excited for this - I have my problems with the Magnus mold, but this recolor is totally worth it to me. Especially since he comes with Magnus glasses face!

Would you care to share what you have problems with. I dont have that toy yet and was considering it (either him or Encore Fort Max)

megatronus wrote:I'm excited for this - I have my problems with the Magnus mold, but this recolor is totally worth it to me. Especially since he comes with Magnus glasses face!

I didn't even realize those were the glasses eyes!! DANG IT TAKARA!!!! That's a 3rd Party move!!

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:I'm excited for this - I have my problems with the Magnus mold, but this recolor is totally worth it to me. Especially since he comes with Magnus glasses face!

Would you care to share what you have problems with. I dont have that toy yet and was considering it (either him or Encore Fort Max)

Sure. I whined about him a lot way back when he was released, and have no problem getting back on my soap box.

The lack of waist swivel really, really upset me. It's inexplicable that every other post-MP10 mold (besides the Seeker mold, of course) has a waist swivel except Magnus. It's a hallmark of modern articulation, and I sorely miss it. To add insult to injury, the designers have more or less admitted in interviews that Magnus was constrained by budgets, and it kills me this would be the case for a line of figures dubbed 'Masterpiece', especially since price points in Japan vary based on cost. In my mind, a few thousand more yen would have been worth that waist movement, and the admission that it was possible will forever make me wonder 'what if'.

I'm also bothered by the shoulder articulation and butt flap, but to a much lesser and forgivable degree - especially with the shoulders, the amazing transformation makes it almost worth it.

Magnus is a good figure - and more than that, a fun, transformable one - but he lets me down in ways that make it hard for me to describe him as 'great'.

Still, I'd pick him up over Fort Max, I think. But that's my MP bias talking.

megatronus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:I'm excited for this - I have my problems with the Magnus mold, but this recolor is totally worth it to me. Especially since he comes with Magnus glasses face!

Would you care to share what you have problems with. I dont have that toy yet and was considering it (either him or Encore Fort Max)

Sure. I whined about him a lot way back when he was released, and have no problem getting back on my soap box.

The lack of waist swivel really, really upset me. It's inexplicable that every other post-MP10 mold (besides the Seeker mold, of course) has a waist swivel except Magnus. It's a hallmark of modern articulation, and I sorely miss it. To add insult to injury, the designers have more or less admitted in interviews that Magnus was constrained by budgets, and it kills me this would be the case for a line of figures dubbed 'Masterpiece', especially since price points in Japan vary based on cost. In my mind, a few thousand more yen would have been worth that waist movement, and the admission that it was possible will forever make me wonder 'what if'.

Still, I'd pick him up over Fort Max, I think. But that's my MP bias talking.

You say that, and I am just about to order fort max. I feel that I would be more dissapointed to find that Fort Max ends up sold out everywhere than Magnus.

And I totally understand your need for waist articulation. I actually dont find it that crucial since it usually intercuts a design that leads from the abdomin to the thighs making any turn in the waist look odd (like with the new Hot Rodimus). I dont know if I am making sense here, but I dont like seeing the abdominal area move past the designated waist area. Like in the pick below:



So I usualyl rely on the thigh swivels more to achieve a similar pose. And hence my huge pet peeve is when a toy does not include thigh swivels. While the Legends Seeker mold got some praise, I really hate those toys for that reason. My first instinct when posing a toy is having them oriented a specific way and that is always achieved with the thigh swivel. So omitting it makes that toy dead in the water for me.

So yeah, all to say that I completely understand how the lack of what a particular fan may deem basic articulation can be a huge turn off

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:I'm excited for this - I have my problems with the Magnus mold, but this recolor is totally worth it to me. Especially since he comes with Magnus glasses face!

Would you care to share what you have problems with. I dont have that toy yet and was considering it (either him or Encore Fort Max)

Sure. I whined about him a lot way back when he was released, and have no problem getting back on my soap box.

The lack of waist swivel really, really upset me. It's inexplicable that every other post-MP10 mold (besides the Seeker mold, of course) has a waist swivel except Magnus. It's a hallmark of modern articulation, and I sorely miss it. To add insult to injury, the designers have more or less admitted in interviews that Magnus was constrained by budgets, and it kills me this would be the case for a line of figures dubbed 'Masterpiece', especially since price points in Japan vary based on cost. In my mind, a few thousand more yen would have been worth that waist movement, and the admission that it was possible will forever make me wonder 'what if'.

Still, I'd pick him up over Fort Max, I think. But that's my MP bias talking.

You say that, and I am just about to order fort max. I feel that I would be more dissapointed to find that Fort Max ends up sold out everywhere than Magnus.

And I totally understand your need for waist articulation. I actually dont find it that crucial since it usually intercuts a design that leads from the abdomin to the thighs making any turn in the waist look odd (like with the new Hot Rodimus). I dont know if I am making sense here, but I dont like seeing the abdominal area move past the designated waist area. Like in the pick below:



So I usualyl rely on the thigh swivels more to achieve a similar pose. And hence my huge pet peeve is when a toy does not include thigh swivels. While the Legends Seeker mold got some praise, I really hate those toys for that reason. My first instinct when posing a toy is having them oriented a specific way and that is always achieved with the thigh swivel. So omitting it makes that toy dead in the water for me.

So yeah, all to say that I completely understand how the lack of what a particular fan may deem basic articulation can be a huge turn off

If I may join in, chaps

I agree with megatronus about Magnus, I think the articulation on him overall is quite a frustrating step backwards.
However I also agree with Will, there are many good figures with no waist swivel that can still pull off that look because of the leg movement (CW Superion for example) However-that's what really let's the MP Magnus mold down-the leg movement is badly restricted. Couple that with the elbow joint making the arms look too short when bent, leaves him looking strikingly odd and clunky in 99% of poses.

Magnus is a big bot, he's no ninja, but still. The cost thing miffed me as well. This isn't just an MP-It's ULTRA MAGNUS! I'd happily have him be the only mold of his year, if it meant all of the expense went into something that really deserved it. Quality over quantity. I also disliked how he functions like the cartoon (transformation wise) but looks more like the toy. MP Grimlock got a lot of flack for being nothing more than an upscale of his G1 toy, and in terms of most of his trailer, Magnus is no different. That may sound odd, but It bothered me.

Delta looks nice, the colours match the mold better in that respect-you expect Delta to look more like his toy (Powered Convoy) He still has that clumsy and clunky aspect though.

hinomars19 wrote:
Delta looks nice, the colours match the mold better in that respect-you expect Delta to look more like his toy (Powered Convoy) He still has that clumsy and clunky aspect though.

Thats an excellent point. Only having the toy as a reference point takes away the criticism of him adhering too much to the toy rather than another media source

bvzxa wrote:I wish they recolor CW/Legends Ultra Magnus like this, and repaint Minimus Ambus into a Diaclone driver. That would be awesome too.

You're in luck, as that's a rumored upcoming figure (minus the diaclone thing, that wasn't mentioned)

I dismissed this on the first rumor, but seeing these pictures, really has peaked my interest.
Its a gorgeous looking figure!

First overseas listing I've come across! I was worried he might be a TT-Mall exclusive or something because I was NOT looking forward to paying BBTS's prices.

This is also another good indication that he might actually be numbered as MP-31.

After some quick searching (and based on other overseas sotre prices of MP UM) I decided to go with Biggy here, but check this out:



Maybe it's just cause I'm in Canada, but my best option is Fedex. I'll tell ya, I hate 3P carriers. So I'm going to wait for Amiami or HLJ so see what their shipping prices is like.

shajaki wrote:After some quick searching (and based on other overseas sotre prices of MP UM) I decided to go with Biggy here, but check this out:



Maybe it's just cause I'm in Canada, but my best option is Fedex. I'll tell ya, I hate 3P carriers. So I'm going to wait for Amiami or HLJ so see what their shipping prices is like.

I HATE Fed EX for TFs. Its a guaranteed tax no matter the amount. And if you dont have a fed ex account, its an extra 7$ aside from the tax everytime, once again no matter the amount. So the cheap price you pay gets that extra fee added on top making it not so much worth it. To be fair to Fed EX, I did have an account with them before and it worked well for comics I bought from Heritage Auctions in Dallas. I was a hardcore comics collector before I went into TFS (I had one of the best vintage Detective Comics collections around, didnt have 27 though for obvious reasons) but the only reason I used Fed EX was because the government of canada considers vintage comics to be second hand books and thus the tax is minimal (not considered new product, unlike these TFs). So I was spared the fed Ex fee by being a member and just had to pay 5% tax and had good service and I was sure these newly aquired gems were well maintainted.

But as bad as Fed EX is, UPS is worse. This clip explains them pretty well:

Speaking of shipping, I haven't done EMS in a long time from Japan, I have been using the fed-Ex shipping. I had to order another UW-02 and it got here really fast. It shipped on 3/3, got here 3/7. And its cheaper than the Fed-Ex Int. Express

bvzxa wrote:Speaking of shipping, I haven't done EMS in a long time from Japan, I have been using the fed-Ex shipping. I had to order another UW-02 and it got here really fast. It shipped on 3/3, got here 3/7. And its cheaper than the Fed-Ex Int. Express

FedEx Express means additional cost for the "express speed" I guess.

Looks like Delta's deco isn't as toy-accurate after all.

The shades of red, blue, and light gray used on this figure are much brighter than those found on the original toy, and there's two blue triangle designs and some yellow details on the MP that aren't found on the original toy:




So, where did Takara take their inspiration for this figure's deco if not solely from the original toy? Well, it looks like they used Ultra Magnus's original color scheme seen in the earliest Transformers: The Movie promo as the main source of reference instead:



This would even explain the yellow eyes as well, as the original toy's eyes had no color.

Welcome folks to another round of "Name that Masterpiece"! Thanks to Dengeki Hobby Web, tonight we have a few new images of upcoming TakataTomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-31 Delta Magnus, featuring a look at the front of the box and his collector card. There has been some dispute as to what his (and Masterpiece Optimus Primal's) number designate would be, so this should put to rest those arguments what with the big "31" on Delta's box. See the images below and stay tuned to Seibertron.com: home for the best Galleries and Conversation around!

"Well, this is a repaint I don't need."
"I definitely don't need this repaint."
"August, cool that means I get a good long break from buying MPs"
"Oh look! It's on HLJ. Might as well preorder it now."

It's a sickness isn't it?

RSC wrote:"Well, this is a repaint I don't need."
"I definitely don't need this repaint."
"August, cool that means I get a good long break from buying MPs"
"Oh look! It's on HLJ. Might as well preorder it now."

It's a sickness isn't it?

Seems like it, maybe you should talk to Dr. Va'al, I'm sure he and Alpha-Bravo would be able to help

In all seriousness though, this guy looks great - moreso than the original, which looked fairly plain and lackluster; my only advice would be to consider selling mp magnus for this guy, if you can't live with both of them

So now the question remains as to what Convoy (Beast Wars)'s ID number will be since he was definitely given the "MP-31" number before in a magazine.

Sabrblade wrote:So now the question remains as to what Convoy (Beast Wars)'s ID number will be since he was definitely given the "MP-31" number before in a magazine.

Perhaps they were gonna do a one-shot for him, but decided later to make it a sub-line and release others

Any translation of the card?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RSC wrote:"Well, this is a repaint I don't need."
"I definitely don't need this repaint."
"August, cool that means I get a good long break from buying MPs"
"Oh look! It's on HLJ. Might as well preorder it now."

It's a sickness isn't it?

Seems like it, maybe you should talk to Dr. Va'al, I'm sure he and Alpha-Bravo would be able to help

In all seriousness though, this guy looks great - moreso than the original, which looked fairly plain and lackluster; my only advice would be to consider selling mp magnus for this guy, if you can't live with both of them

I can't part with Magnus, but Delta does look good in blue. I figure since I'm focusing on only collecting MPs from now on I might as well. Cancelling last minute is an option

Is this UM UM or another character? Translation please for the biocard.

fenrir72 wrote:Is this UM UM or another character? Translation please for the biocard.

Well, it's DELTA MAGNUS

Sabrblade wrote:So now the question remains as to what Convoy (Beast Wars)'s ID number will be since he was definitely given the "MP-31" number before in a magazine.

I remember a magazine scan giving him the MP-B1 designation.

DiabloET wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:So now the question remains as to what Convoy (Beast Wars)'s ID number will be since he was definitely given the "MP-31" number before in a magazine.

I remember a magazine scan giving him the MP-B1 designation.

Welcome to Seibertron.com DiabloET, hope your stay is very enjoyable.

That magazine scan gave Primal the designation MP-31 although I can see how easily the 3 could be confused with a B at quick glance.

DiabloET wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Is this UM UM or another character? Translation please for the biocard.

Well, it's DELTA MAGNUS

so what does the Biocard say? Unless you know, those statements have as much value as Starscream swearing to lay off usurping Megatron's position.

Prime examples of look alike figures who aren't who we think they are but actually not(not Optimus prime)

1. Pepsi Convoy
2. Masterforce Ginrai
3. Black Convoy MP-01 mold (a remote controlled shell by Daniel)
4. Black Convoy aka Scourge

So for guys and gals out there who know/can read kanji what's the background on this "character"?

fenrir72 wrote:

DiabloET wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Is this UM UM or another character? Translation please for the biocard.

Well, it's DELTA MAGNUS

so what does the Biocard say? Unless you know, those statements have as much value as Starscream swearing to lay off usurping Megatron's position.

Prime examples of look alike figures who aren't who we think they are but actually not(not Optimus prime)

1. Pepsi Convoy
2. Masterforce Ginrai
3. Black Convoy MP-01 mold (a remote controlled shell by Daniel)
4. Black Convoy aka Scourge

So for guys and gals out there who know/can read kanji what's the background on this "character"?

Except Delta Magnus is explicitly his own character.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Delta_Magnus

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

DiabloET wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Is this UM UM or another character? Translation please for the biocard.

Well, it's DELTA MAGNUS

so what does the Biocard say? Unless you know, those statements have as much value as Starscream swearing to lay off usurping Megatron's position.

Prime examples of look alike figures who aren't who we think they are but actually not(not Optimus prime)

1. Pepsi Convoy
2. Masterforce Ginrai
3. Black Convoy MP-01 mold (a remote controlled shell by Daniel)
4. Black Convoy aka Scourge

So for guys and gals out there who know/can read kanji what's the background on this "character"?

Except Delta Magnus is explicitly his own character.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Delta_Magnus

What does the biocard state?

fenrir72 wrote:What does the biocard state?

Handsome Magnus's handsomer brother. That or "baller". Not exactly sure..

fenrir72 wrote:
so what does the Biocard say? Unless you know, those statements have as much value as Starscream swearing to lay off usurping Megatron's position.

It says this:

Role ... Advance commander motto 爿 Rudamagu vinegar and mission of the relief actions and peacekeeping in the "false also, bright or sell" profile outside of the universe is of the Messiah at the party to inhabitants of isolated has been regional and planets Yes, its fame is known from long before the era of combo port gastric Cybertron commander-in-chief. But even this legendary British aid idexibl0 British male, never in Akase Do U one of the time as a tee commander of the earth there was a secret there is that declined while he invited it also U Ru Earth Army of those who know the old era, truth we fear the possibility of be discovered but thickness is therefore.

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:
so what does the Biocard say? Unless you know, those statements have as much value as Starscream swearing to lay off usurping Megatron's position.

It says this:

Role ... Advance commander motto 爿 Rudamagu vinegar and mission of the relief actions and peacekeeping in the "false also, bright or sell" profile outside of the universe is of the Messiah at the party to inhabitants of isolated has been regional and planets Yes, its fame is known from long before the era of combo port gastric Cybertron commander-in-chief. But even this legendary British aid idexibl0 British male, never in Akase Do U one of the time as a tee commander of the earth there was a secret there is that declined while he invited it also U Ru Earth Army of those who know the old era, truth we fear the possibility of be discovered but thickness is therefore.

He's a limey? The British thing and not UM ? Gastric? He a cook?

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote: so what does the Biocard say? Unless you know, those statements have as much value as Starscream swearing to lay off usurping Megatron's position.

It says this:

Role ... Advance commander motto 爿 Rudamagu vinegar and mission of the relief actions and peacekeeping in the "false also, bright or sell" profile outside of the universe is of the Messiah at the party to inhabitants of isolated has been regional and planets Yes, its fame is known from long before the era of combo port gastric Cybertron commander-in-chief. But even this legendary British aid idexibl0 British male, never in Akase Do U one of the time as a tee commander of the earth there was a secret there is that declined while he invited it also U Ru Earth Army of those who know the old era, truth we fear the possibility of be discovered but thickness is therefore.

He's a limey? The British thing and not UM ? Gastric? He a cook?

I still like my rendition. Fewer words, and made more sense

Regardless! shajaki posted that Big In Japan link for $120USD?! Dang it!! He's so cool looking

itscramtastic wrote:Regardless! shajaki posted that Big In Japan link for $120USD?! Dang it!! He's so cool looking

Nippon Yassan is a good option too.

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... agnus.html

He is 12,200¥ there (108$ USD) and SAL - International Parcel Registered is 5,000¥ so its only 152,26 USD Shipped.

william-james88 wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:Regardless! shajaki posted that Big In Japan link for $120USD?! Dang it!! He's so cool looking

Nippon Yassan is a good option too.

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... agnus.html

He is 12,200¥ there (108$ USD) and SAL - International Parcel Registered is 5,000¥ so its only 152,26 USD Shipped.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. I wish I got Ultra Magnus for that price.

itscramtastic wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:Regardless! shajaki posted that Big In Japan link for $120USD?! Dang it!! He's so cool looking

Nippon Yassan is a good option too.

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... agnus.html

He is 12,200¥ there (108$ USD) and SAL - International Parcel Registered is 5,000¥ so its only 152,26 USD Shipped.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. I wish I got Ultra Magnus for that price.

You could have, they had him then too And plus the shipping is registered so you have tracking AND if you are in the US then you dont get taxed at customs. So that price is final When you feel up to it, I strongly recomend you give importing a shot

william-james88 wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:Regardless! shajaki posted that Big In Japan link for $120USD?! Dang it!! He's so cool looking

Nippon Yassan is a good option too.

https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/16 ... agnus.html

He is 12,200¥ there (108$ USD) and SAL - International Parcel Registered is 5,000¥ so its only 152,26 USD Shipped.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. I wish I got Ultra Magnus for that price.

You could have, they had him then too And plus the shipping is registered so you have tracking AND if you are in the US then you dont get taxed at customs. So that price is final When you feel up to it, I strongly recomend you give importing a shot

I may have to..maybe..someday..

That $50 difference I ended up paying for Ultra Magnus could've bought me more stuff and things!! To be fair, I hadn't COMPLETELY shifted my collecting ideals when he came out

So the lesson here people, if you think you'll want this figure someday order him now while it's cheap!!

itscramtastic wrote:So the lesson here people, if you think you'll want this figure someday order him now while it's cheap!!

I strongly beleive that. Hence why I just bought Encore Fort Max. I would not get over it if he was no longer available online and I had to rely on ebay or other secondary market sources.

william-james88 wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:So the lesson here people, if you think you'll want this figure someday order him now while it's cheap!!

I strongly beleive that. Hence why I just bought Encore Fort Max. I would not get over it if he was no longer available online and I had to rely on ebay or other secondary market sources.

As my collecting is beginning to focus on the more expensive figures/sets, I'm finding this may be the way to go. I'm guessing if I had pre-ordered and imported all of the Takara Masterpieces I've ordered in the last year I probably could've saved a few hundred USD...

Why is Delta Magnus mocking me?!

Ok I'm finished ranting.

I feel like if I picked this guy up, I'd have to go back and get the G1 based Delta Magnus. Anyone else think that?