New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con
Sunday, October 27th, 2019 9:38AM CDT
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Andrew, a Transformers fan, sent us some images he took of the upcoming masterpiece figures Blackarachnia, Hound and anime accurate Smokescreen from the Malaysia Asia Comic Con, including a shot of the Hound accessories and box.
Transformers Masterpiece MP-19+ Smokescreen Exclusive
Under the supervision of Nissan, this Masterpiece Smokescreen features a realistic vehicle mode, colored to match his appearance in the animated series. The updated head sculpt recreates the shape featured in the series as well. Smokescreen comes with interchangeable facial expressions along with smoke effects, jamming launchers, and disruptor rifle.
Transformers Masterpiece MP-47 Hound
Based on the original cartoon series, the Autoboot warrior Hound joins the Transformers Masterpiece figure line. Hound is a fully poseable figure and transforms into an armored Jeep that features realistically reproduced details under the supervision of Fiat Chrysler Automobile. Hound’s hood can be opened, cab can be removed, and can be driven by the included Spike figure or the hologram driver.
Transformers Masterpiece MP-46 Blackwidow
From the animated series Beast Wars, Blackwidow joins the Transformers Masterpiece line. Blackwidow is highly poseable including articulated spider legs and includes 2 face plates options of smiling and screaming. Blackwidow transforms from robot to a large spider and can be perched upon the included spider effect.
Transformers Masterpiece MP-19+ Smokescreen Exclusive
Under the supervision of Nissan, this Masterpiece Smokescreen features a realistic vehicle mode, colored to match his appearance in the animated series. The updated head sculpt recreates the shape featured in the series as well. Smokescreen comes with interchangeable facial expressions along with smoke effects, jamming launchers, and disruptor rifle.
Transformers Masterpiece MP-47 Hound
Based on the original cartoon series, the Autoboot warrior Hound joins the Transformers Masterpiece figure line. Hound is a fully poseable figure and transforms into an armored Jeep that features realistically reproduced details under the supervision of Fiat Chrysler Automobile. Hound’s hood can be opened, cab can be removed, and can be driven by the included Spike figure or the hologram driver.
Transformers Masterpiece MP-46 Blackwidow
From the animated series Beast Wars, Blackwidow joins the Transformers Masterpiece line. Blackwidow is highly poseable including articulated spider legs and includes 2 face plates options of smiling and screaming. Blackwidow transforms from robot to a large spider and can be perched upon the included spider effect.
Credit(s): Andrew
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Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043047)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 27th, 2019 @ 10:25am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 27th, 2019 @ 10:25am CDT
Hounds "smile" face reminds me of something from Invasion of the Body Snatchers 
I don't know what it is but there is just something about Smokescreen's aesthetic that makes him so much more appealing than Prowl & co.
This also confirms that MP Blackarachnia is staying displayed in Bot Mode, forever. That mish-mash of joints with legs, is probably the worst Beast Mode to date. At least from the front.
I don't know what it is but there is just something about Smokescreen's aesthetic that makes him so much more appealing than Prowl & co.
This also confirms that MP Blackarachnia is staying displayed in Bot Mode, forever. That mish-mash of joints with legs, is probably the worst Beast Mode to date. At least from the front.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043050)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:00am CDT
That Smokescreen have big Animated vibes with that face.
I like it.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:00am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't know what it is but there is just something about Smokescreen's aesthetic that makes him so much more appealing than Prowl & co.
That Smokescreen have big Animated vibes with that face.
I like it.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043054)
Posted by Bucky on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:13am CDT
I think what separates Smokescreen from his moldmates largely comes down to three major factors. The first being his general color scheme. Apart from the basic fact that red, yellow, and blue are the three primary colors and are just naturally appealing to us, his colors also pop more than Prowl’s black and white and Bluestreak’s black and silver. The other major factor is that head sculpt. He’s got a lot of character compared to the old head. Largely do to the smaller and more tightly grouped facial features. It makes that chin really jut out, giving him a more confident, commanding presence. The third is swapping out the black parts for more of a charcoal grey. That softens up his appearance, and separates him from the non-plus MP figures. He’s not quite as severe.
Posted by Bucky on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:13am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't know what it is but there is just something about Smokescreen's aesthetic that makes him so much more appealing than Prowl & co.
That Smokescreen have big Animated vibes with that face.
I like it.
I think what separates Smokescreen from his moldmates largely comes down to three major factors. The first being his general color scheme. Apart from the basic fact that red, yellow, and blue are the three primary colors and are just naturally appealing to us, his colors also pop more than Prowl’s black and white and Bluestreak’s black and silver. The other major factor is that head sculpt. He’s got a lot of character compared to the old head. Largely do to the smaller and more tightly grouped facial features. It makes that chin really jut out, giving him a more confident, commanding presence. The third is swapping out the black parts for more of a charcoal grey. That softens up his appearance, and separates him from the non-plus MP figures. He’s not quite as severe.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043057)
Posted by blackeyedprime on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:27am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:27am CDT
Hounds front wheel gaurds look a little bit wonky, hopefully they connect in place better.
Black Arachnia beast mode...I thought the pic was some kind of Megabolt Megatron redeco or something -need to see it from more angles because that def isnt a good one. Maybe if they had worked under the supervision of arachnid enthusiaists it might have been better
Black Arachnia beast mode...I thought the pic was some kind of Megabolt Megatron redeco or something -need to see it from more angles because that def isnt a good one. Maybe if they had worked under the supervision of arachnid enthusiaists it might have been better
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043059)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:30am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 27th, 2019 @ 11:30am CDT
I don't know how you can mess up something as simple as a spider???
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043065)
Posted by STngAR on October 27th, 2019 @ 12:04pm CDT
Posted by STngAR on October 27th, 2019 @ 12:04pm CDT
Yeah, Blackarachnia looks killer in bot mode but alt mode is well less than stellar. I like the added canopy accessory for hound, adds a unique look to alt mode.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043067)
Posted by Cyberpath on October 27th, 2019 @ 12:09pm CDT
Ha, cool.
I do think they should have made his eyes bigger though.
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Posted by Cyberpath on October 27th, 2019 @ 12:09pm CDT
Ha, cool.
I do think they should have made his eyes bigger though.
⠀
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043743)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2019 @ 9:54am CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 4th, 2019 @ 9:54am CST
So, a theoretical question.
If HasTak said 'Yes' to Masterpiece Combiner Teams tomorrow, how would you like them to be made? A HasLab priced boxset? A one in five releases figure? Or even something really atypical akin to a Legends Build-A-Figure IE pieces included with a given number of MP releases??
If HasTak said 'Yes' to Masterpiece Combiner Teams tomorrow, how would you like them to be made? A HasLab priced boxset? A one in five releases figure? Or even something really atypical akin to a Legends Build-A-Figure IE pieces included with a given number of MP releases??
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043744)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 4th, 2019 @ 10:04am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 4th, 2019 @ 10:04am CST
If Takara would make MP combiners, they could go the Studio Series route. Release the members one at a time over months or years. To soften the blow, they should release the Scramble City combiners first. One 
and one 
teams at the same time, one pair of bots at a time. I'd vote for Bruticus VS Defensor first.
and one teams at the same time, one pair of bots at a time. I'd vote for Bruticus VS Defensor first.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043762)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 4th, 2019 @ 2:20pm CST
This would be the best method.
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 4th, 2019 @ 2:20pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:If Takara would make MP combiners, they could go the Studio Series route. Release the members one at a time over months or years. To soften the blow, they should release the Scramble City combiners first. One
This would be the best method.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043767)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 4th, 2019 @ 5:56pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 4th, 2019 @ 5:56pm CST
I too would want them to go one release at a time over the course of a year or so. That would be the smart choice. Don't slam them all out at once either
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043769)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 4th, 2019 @ 6:07pm CST
It's not just a matter of overwhelming the customer. The toy makers themselves would make one hell of a gamble to spend YEARS doing the concept, prototyping, and manufacturing 5 over-engineered bots. Then they would release the team as a 1000$ set and not many would be able to buy the thing. Resulting in HasTak losing money and cancelling the combiners altogether.
So, one bot at a time, slowly, is the best solution for both the customer and the manufacturer.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 4th, 2019 @ 6:07pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I too would want them to go one release at a time over the course of a year or so. That would be the smart choice. Don't slam them all out at once either
It's not just a matter of overwhelming the customer. The toy makers themselves would make one hell of a gamble to spend YEARS doing the concept, prototyping, and manufacturing 5 over-engineered bots. Then they would release the team as a 1000$ set and not many would be able to buy the thing. Resulting in HasTak losing money and cancelling the combiners altogether.
So, one bot at a time, slowly, is the best solution for both the customer and the manufacturer.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043791)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 4th, 2019 @ 10:32pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 4th, 2019 @ 10:32pm CST
At the very least, the Aerialbot limbs could share some engineering to save on engineering costs.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043795)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 3:40am CST
We all know who the first one would be. The Gestalt that is ALWAYS first...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 3:40am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote: To soften the blow, they should release the Scramble City combiners first. One
Sabrblade wrote:At the very least, the Aerialbot limbs could share some engineering to save on engineering costs.
We all know who the first one would be. The Gestalt that is ALWAYS first...
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043801)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:10am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:10am CST
I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy 
then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible
then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043807)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:21am CST
There's also the scale issue with Devastator. Each members would be as big as Optimus and would most likely be 250$-300$ EACH as a result.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:21am CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy
There's also the scale issue with Devastator. Each members would be as big as Optimus and would most likely be 250$-300$ EACH as a result.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043808)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:24am CST
Of course, the One Thing Everyone wanted...
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:24am CST
ZeroWolf wrote: the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible
Of course, the One Thing Everyone wanted...
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043870)
Posted by MadProject on November 5th, 2019 @ 3:54pm CST
If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Posted by MadProject on November 5th, 2019 @ 3:54pm CST
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy
If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043871)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:09pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 5th, 2019 @ 4:09pm CST
Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.MadProject wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy
If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043939)
Posted by MadProject on November 6th, 2019 @ 12:38pm CST
Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?
Posted by MadProject on November 6th, 2019 @ 12:38pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.MadProject wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy
If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043940)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2019 @ 12:45pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2019 @ 12:45pm CST
It was probably "This is the closest we may ever get to actually making a MP Devastator, so I better make the most of this opportunity to make this UW Devastator as close to a reasonable stand-in for a legit MP Devastator."MadProject wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.MadProject wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy
If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043948)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 6th, 2019 @ 4:25pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 6th, 2019 @ 4:25pm CST
That is also why they would (theoretically) use Devastator and NOT a Scramble City Gestalt as the first MP. It requires a bit more engineering than to have a specific bot for a given limb. Which would mean a lot more work for MP standard. To be honest I've never really seen the merit in Scramble City Combiners. The limbs are interchangeable but they typically only look decent with certain bots in certain places anyway. So the element of "choice" is ultimately superfluous.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043951)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 6th, 2019 @ 4:51pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 6th, 2019 @ 4:51pm CST
I think had the idea gone ahead in diaclone the colour schemes would have been crazy, though strictly speaking the idea of having spare limbs or the ability to use other combiner limbs has merit M, as it means that one fatality won't cripple the whole team.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043955)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2019 @ 5:03pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2019 @ 5:03pm CST
I think the original intention of the gimmick in Jizai Gattai was to allow for kids to mix and match their own combinations for variety and imagination, rather than strictly grouping together all of the limbs and torsos into assigned unit. Sure, they probably still would have been for marketing purposes, but I would imagine that the intent was to encourage kids to also mix and match limbs and torsos as though variety was the main selling point gimmick.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043957)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 6th, 2019 @ 5:11pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 6th, 2019 @ 5:11pm CST
Indeed. But some bots clearly look better as a leg than an arm and vice-versa. So the mix and match gimmick was purely a marketing one. For all the talk of 'variety' I'd imagine most people probably ended with the exact same combination as the fan next to them.
Piranacon being a good example of that.
Piranacon being a good example of that.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2043960)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2019 @ 5:22pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 6th, 2019 @ 5:22pm CST
While he had the gimmick, Piranacon, wasn't part of the original line-up for Jizai Gattai.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045447)
Posted by Bounti76 on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:49pm CST
Posted by Bounti76 on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:49pm CST
Thanks to eagle-eyed Seibertronian Bucky, we have some very interesting news to report. As can be gathered by the title of this story, there has been a listing created for the previously unannounced MP-49, which site sponsor BBTS has as Black Convoy! It's fairly safe to assume that this figure will be a "Nemesis Prime" recolor of MP-44 (aka Convoy/Optimus Prime 3.0) in his traditional black, teal, and red colors. The previous Black Convoy Masterpiece figure is shown below.
What do you all think of this out-of-nowhere listing? Will it turn out to be genuine? Are you excited about this potential figure? Let us know below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformers news!
What do you all think of this out-of-nowhere listing? Will it turn out to be genuine? Are you excited about this potential figure? Let us know below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformers news!
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045448)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:53pm CST
I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045449)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 26th, 2019 @ 1:58pm CST
Unless they gave it its own number so that something else could have the number 50 slot
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045452)
Posted by angtre on November 26th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CST
Posted by angtre on November 26th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CST
Maybe it'll be a different mold of some sort?
A RiD Scourge-inspired one perhaps, maybe with a different trailer?
A RiD Scourge-inspired one perhaps, maybe with a different trailer?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045453)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 26th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 26th, 2019 @ 2:23pm CST
I'd normally agree, but MP-38 kinda threw any and all rationalization for the ID number system out the window.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045455)
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 26th, 2019 @ 3:43pm CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on November 26th, 2019 @ 3:43pm CST
I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack shit to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045459)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:21pm CST
I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:21pm CST
Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045462)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:35pm CST
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:35pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.
On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?
I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045463)
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:45pm CST
Posted by Deathsaurus1 on November 26th, 2019 @ 5:45pm CST
Speculating about this figure having toy inspired details vs no-44’s took aesthetics
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045466)
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 6:51pm CST
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 6:51pm CST
Nice, but it’s most likely gunna be hella expensive even with half the gear gone though...
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045468)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 26th, 2019 @ 7:56pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 26th, 2019 @ 7:56pm CST
what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045481)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:40pm CST
Such shenanigans wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:40pm CST
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Such shenanigans wouldn't surprise me.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045482)
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:49pm CST
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:49pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045483)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:55pm CST
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:55pm CST
Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045484)
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CST
Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys.
Posted by Mindmaster on November 26th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045486)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 26th, 2019 @ 9:43pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 26th, 2019 @ 9:43pm CST
His name was "Copy Convoy", so this wouldn't be that.Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Mindmaster wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:what if, hear me out, what if it isn't an Optimus, but rather a shadow Lio Convoy?
Wouldn’t it be called Galvaconvoy and not Black Convoy? Or is there a Nemesis themed Lio Convoy I’m not aware of?
There was a shadow fully black Lio convoy in the show, he was an actual character too, all the maximals had an episode where dark dopplegangers of them were made and existed
Figured as much, anything Japanese Beast Wars is far beyond my knowledge apart from the Convoys.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045488)
Posted by ScottyP on November 26th, 2019 @ 9:46pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on November 26th, 2019 @ 9:46pm CST
No, it just got that way on the secondary market before being reissued. MP-10B was ~140, MP-10 with trailer and all that was ~200-220 back then. Later reissues of both were some % less expensive which definitely doesn't help the recollection of how much they were.Wireless_Phantom wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?
Attempting to figure out "rules" or guidelines for MP numbering schemes is the path to madnessAllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045500)
Posted by wilcosu35 on November 26th, 2019 @ 11:01pm CST
Posted by wilcosu35 on November 26th, 2019 @ 11:01pm CST
So the next one is a black MP-44? Cool for those who want it. I'll be keeping my money in my pocket.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045528)
Posted by First-Aid on November 27th, 2019 @ 12:23pm CST
Posted by First-Aid on November 27th, 2019 @ 12:23pm CST
If I'm not mistaken, Convoy/Optimus Prime variants, repaints, remolds, and reissues make up approximately 94.225% of the Masterpiece line... 
Enough Primes already.
Enough Primes already.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045532)
Posted by william-james88 on November 27th, 2019 @ 2:07pm CST
I was sure we had given up on the numbers making sense. They don't. Since Takara clearly doesn't care about the numbers, we shouldn't either.
Also, in my usual self I will say this, anyone expecting more than a standard redeco will be dissapointed.
Posted by william-james88 on November 27th, 2019 @ 2:07pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.
I was sure we had given up on the numbers making sense. They don't. Since Takara clearly doesn't care about the numbers, we shouldn't either.
Also, in my usual self I will say this, anyone expecting more than a standard redeco will be dissapointed.
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045534)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 27th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 27th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CST
Yet are the Nemesis redecos really so popular to warrant their own official number? How well are HasTak expecting this to sell alongside the other original figures of the line, given MP-44 was overpriced to begin with??
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045535)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 27th, 2019 @ 3:34pm CST
Again, the number itself has no real significance. At best it denotes either retooling or just straight redeco with new accessories, like these guys:
MP-31 Delta Magnus
MP-37 Artfire
MP-38 Convoy (Beast Wars) Legendary Supreme Commander Ver. (aka the toy-accurate one)
MP-40 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 27th, 2019 @ 3:34pm CST
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yet are the Nemesis redecos really so popular to warrant their own official number? How well are HasTak expecting this to sell alongside the other original figures of the line, given MP-44 was overpriced to begin with??
Again, the number itself has no real significance. At best it denotes either retooling or just straight redeco with new accessories, like these guys:
MP-31 Delta Magnus
MP-37 Artfire
MP-38 Convoy (Beast Wars) Legendary Supreme Commander Ver. (aka the toy-accurate one)
MP-40 Targetmaster Hot Rodimus
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045538)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 27th, 2019 @ 3:46pm CST
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on November 27th, 2019 @ 3:46pm CST
The number in itself, unlike the others mentioned, bears precedent. Every single Nemesis Prime in the MP line to date has been a 'B' listing of a corresponding Prime. All three of them:
2009/10
2013
2017
What makes this one so special, over its predecessors? Aside from HasTak trying to fleece the fanbase with the same extortionate mold: but in black
2009/10
2013
2017
What makes this one so special, over its predecessors? Aside from HasTak trying to fleece the fanbase with the same extortionate mold: but in black
Re: New Images of Masterpiece Hound, Blackarachnia and MP+ Smokescreen from Malaysia Asia Comic Con (2045540)
Posted by Sabrblade on November 27th, 2019 @ 4:15pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on November 27th, 2019 @ 4:15pm CST
The MP figures that get their own numbers are mass retail figures. Therefore, this Black Convoy will most likely be a mass retail figure.
