New Images of Legacy Voyager Leo Prime
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You can read the blurb below the images and we also have this fun note regarding why Leo prime was chosen for the Legacy line:
Q: Will there be more Japanese Beast Wars Characters aside from Leo Prime?
A: Leo Prime was an easy sell to corporate since he is a leader called Prime and a lion, both attributes familiar and appealing to kids. Hasbro will keep testing the market and audience. The term Convoy is a trademarked name in Japan, so that name cannot be used on packaging by Hasbro.
Legacy Evolution Voyager Leo Prime needs to be the king of your Legacy collection! Shu Umezu san just absolutely floored me with this absolute masterpiece of a figure. This guy jumped right out the Beast Wars II animated series and I really couldn’t be happier about it.
This guy has all the features you could ever dream of, his Evo-Fusion Lion claw technique is unmatched. He has his Lion Typhoon attack mode with the sweet Lio missiles and blasters that have all sorts of places to flex them. The missiles even have storage in the underside of the beast hide and can actually be used as a jetpack! All the stuff is blast effect compatible, the blasters that plug in on top can remain hidden under the mane inside the awesomely sculpted lion head. He has a flip open panel that reveals his Energon Matrix.
Articulation is out of this world, you even got some awesome range in beast mode!
I mean, cmon now people! The colors and actual spray op placement is marvelous.
Break out your Yuya san Skywarp to hitch a ride on this absolute beast of a figure. Name off the other characters you would like to see from this great Japanese series!
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Posted by Sabrblade on October 22nd, 2022 @ 10:44pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 22nd, 2022 @ 11:20pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 5:20am CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2022 @ 5:25am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote: So close, yet so far...
???
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 5:27am CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote: So close, yet so far...
???
Skywarp (atop Lio Convoy) being the Takara-renamed Silverbolt ala Team Magnaboss. The fact that a Lion and an Eagle are pictured. But alas the wrong Lion and Eagle...
Maybe someday the Beast Wars combiners will get an update?
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 23rd, 2022 @ 6:30am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote: So close, yet so far...
???
Skywarp (atop Lio Convoy) being the Takara-renamed Silverbolt ala Team Magnaboss. The fact that a Lion and an Eagle are pictured. But alas the wrong Lion and Eagle...
Maybe someday the Beast Wars combiners will get an update?
Wouldn't hold your breath
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 6:36am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Wouldn't hold your breath
I know. I think the non-combining Skywarp figure was indicative of that. If only the BW Combiners had the prominence of their G1 counterparts, there would be a bigger deal made of them. At least the Tripredacus Council briefly got a cameo in [Mainframe] Beast Wars. The Maximal Elders never did.
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 23rd, 2022 @ 7:36am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Wouldn't hold your breath
I know. I think the non-combining Skywarp figure was indicative of that. If only the BW Combiners had the prominence of their G1 counterparts, there would be a bigger deal made of them. At least the Tripredacus Council briefly got a cameo in [Mainframe] Beast Wars. The Maximal Elders never did.
Just one of those things sadly. I'm still hoping that they'll carry on including beast wars characters in the main line going forward but I've got doubts about that as well.
Though I suppose if the new live action movie does well, that could raise more interest in Beast formers.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 7:41am CDT
Even movies won't give Transquito, Sonar or Cybershark a shot at the spotlight.
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on October 23rd, 2022 @ 9:08am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 9:10am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Legacy versions of Cybershark and Wolfang would be hype.
Indeed. Assuming Cybershark doesn't get bastardised into Sky-Byte, again.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 23rd, 2022 @ 9:38am CDT
Things likely would have been very different had the show been hand-drawn instead of animated by Mainframe.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Beast Wars is just one of those lines that you look at the toyline and lament how many really interesting designs will remain in obscurity forever.
Even movies won't give Transquito, Sonar or Cybershark a shot at the spotlight.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 9:56am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Things likely would have been very different had the show been hand-drawn instead of animated by Mainframe.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Beast Wars is just one of those lines that you look at the toyline and lament how many really interesting designs will remain in obscurity forever.
Even movies won't give Transquito, Sonar or Cybershark a shot at the spotlight.
True. Alternatively if Mainframe had received a larger budget. But first season aside, I don't think the writing or characterisation would have been as good with a ballooned cast ala Sunbow.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 23rd, 2022 @ 10:05am CDT
That sure wasn't happening. Even Pixar had limits back then. CGI was super expensive.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Things likely would have been very different had the show been hand-drawn instead of animated by Mainframe.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Beast Wars is just one of those lines that you look at the toyline and lament how many really interesting designs will remain in obscurity forever.
Even movies won't give Transquito, Sonar or Cybershark a shot at the spotlight.
True. Alternatively if Mainframe had received a larger budget.
Indeed. So which is better? Nearly every toy getting represented in so-so capacity, or focusing exceptionally well on just a small handful while all the rest get left out the picture?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But first season aside, I don't think the writing or characterisation would have been as good with a ballooned cast ala Sunbow.
In this case, you can't have your cake and eat it too, I'm afraid. You gotta pick one or the other.
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 23rd, 2022 @ 10:23am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 10:24am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:That sure wasn't happening. Even Pixar had limits back then. CGI was super expensive.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:True. Alternatively if Mainframe had received a larger budget.
Indeed and Mainframe were one of the pioneers of that. Especially on the TV side of CG. Some of it EG Shadow Raiders, is still impressive today.
Sabrblade wrote:Indeed. So which is better? Nearly every toy getting represented in so-so capacity, or focusing exceptionally well on just a small handful while all the rest get left out the picture?AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But first season aside, I don't think the writing or characterisation would have been as good with a ballooned cast ala Sunbow.
Definitely the latter. Even Sunbow learned that lesson (a little) in the Post-Movie seasons. With the whole toyline in mind, I'd have just swapped out a few from BW to better represent the line. Silverbolt and Quickstrike, for example, being among the least interesting Fuzor designs and That line is never being picked up again.
Posted by Razorbeast88 on October 23rd, 2022 @ 10:33am CDT
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Legacy versions of Cybershark and Wolfang would be hype.
Absolutely
Posted by DeathReviews on October 23rd, 2022 @ 10:40am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 23rd, 2022 @ 10:42am CDT
To me, it looks a lot closer to Prowl, here. Than the Lion face of Lio Convoy.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 23rd, 2022 @ 11:23am CDT
I'm jus sayin, maybe hasbro should replace their product photographer with this guys instagram feed, Leo Prime's box would look hella cool with these poses on it
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 23rd, 2022 @ 11:53am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Yo Leo Prime lookin nice
I'm jus sayin, maybe hasbro should replace their product photographer with this guys instagram feed, Leo Prime's box would look hella cool with these poses on it
Could be worse, they could contract them out to the person who did the Canadian Walmart catalogue pics
Posted by Sabrblade on October 23rd, 2022 @ 12:34pm CDT
At least the originals are at Walmart right now.TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Legacy versions of Cybershark and Wolfang would be hype.
Posted by optimeow on October 23rd, 2022 @ 12:40pm CDT
I thought the idea to the lion’s design was to be realistic.
Unpainted eyes aren’t realistic -__-
Posted by bluecatcinema on October 23rd, 2022 @ 2:02pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 23rd, 2022 @ 2:06pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote: So close, yet so far...
???
Skywarp (atop Lio Convoy) being the Takara-renamed Silverbolt ala Team Magnaboss. The fact that a Lion and an Eagle are pictured. But alas the wrong Lion and Eagle...
Maybe someday the Beast Wars combiners will get an update?
I get the pic's theme though, it's Skywarp hanging out with his friend's dad.
DeathReviews wrote: It looks like the cowardly lion from the Wizard of Oz, crossed with a basset hound…
Definitely looks like 2 things crossed together.
Posted by Emerje on October 23rd, 2022 @ 7:02pm CDT
Now granted, Leo has a lot of bot details painted in, but he's a Prime, he's going to sell, they can afford to give him pupils. Better yet they should have just molded the eyes in and painted them, it would have saved them plastic and given us better looking white eyes.
Emerje
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2022 @ 7:06pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 23rd, 2022 @ 8:01pm CDT
I long for updated Beast combiners. We only have 2 of them, and they could each be a commander release, or just 3 individual releases. It wouldn't be that hard for either to release them.
Also, Tigerhawk needs a commander release. He is too big and too cool not to get one.
And in theory, they could still potentially still do a combining Magnaboss with that Skywarp, considering all he did was form a backpack and the wings go into the chest, they could still make that work here.
Posted by Emerje on October 23rd, 2022 @ 11:10pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by blackeyedprime on October 24th, 2022 @ 3:45am CDT
Wondering if Leo prime has a pretend marble in his right breast, but I'm liking it enough to pick it up
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 24th, 2022 @ 4:33am CDT
Emerje wrote:I think the real question isn't if they can or should do Beast Wars combiners, but how big should they be? I can't think of any combination that would give us a 12" BW Combiner without one or two of the members being ridiculously large. The Magnaboss team is probably the easier one since Ironhide can be pretty big, maybe a full Leader sized figure (in parts count, not height) since he has to stretch out to form both the legs and arms and chest. But is that enough to build the body up a head short of 12"? Not so sure. Tripredicus could make things even more awkward since all three would have to be scaled up and none of them really stretch or unfold the way Ironhide does. How big does Seaclamp have to be to give him 8" arms (to the original figuer's proportions?), would a Voyager do it? Should they all be done as Voyagers?
Emerje
Trippy should have all of its members as voyagers obviously. Parts count, + size and there you go.
As for Magnaboss, leader Ironhide, voyager lion, and deluxe bird.
Finally, there's that "Devilman" looking Magmatron combiner. Leader T-Rex, deluxe Pterodactyl, voyager sea monster. But this time, add in individual bot modes for all 3 components.
All 3 could be sold at the Commander price point, or a new price point / class could be made. But all should be sold as box sets.
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2022 @ 7:52am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Finally, there's that "Devilman" looking Magmatron combiner. Leader T-Rex, deluxe Pterodactyl, voyager sea monster. But this time, add in individual bot modes for all 3 components.
Magmatron is a tricky one because his bot mode isn't supposed to be any bigger than any other Decepticon leader. He'd be better suited as roughly a Voyager (Landsaurus, the bulk of the figure), a Deluxe (Seasaurus, really just the arms, body filler and shield), and a Core (Skysaurus, just the head and shoulders) sold at Leader price. He's one bot mode with three alt modes so they wouldn't be any more complex than, say, Galvatron in parts count, but the number of colored sprues and paint apps could be problematic.
Emerje
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 24th, 2022 @ 8:38am CDT
Emerje wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Finally, there's that "Devilman" looking Magmatron combiner. Leader T-Rex, deluxe Pterodactyl, voyager sea monster. But this time, add in individual bot modes for all 3 components.
Magmatron is a tricky one because his bot mode isn't supposed to be any bigger than any other Decepticon leader. He'd be better suited as roughly a Voyager (Landsaurus, the bulk of the figure), a Deluxe (Seasaurus, really just the arms, body filler and shield), and a Core (Skysaurus, just the head and shoulders) sold at Leader price. He's one bot mode with three alt modes so they wouldn't be any more complex than, say, Galvatron in parts count, but the number of colored sprues and paint apps could be problematic.
Emerje
If that version would be easier to combine than the original and more articulated, I'd be all for it.
Posted by o.supreme on October 24th, 2022 @ 11:11am CDT
Evil Leaders seem to be pretty consistent at the Leader class, so I would expect any future Galvatron from BWII to be a Leader, and possibly Magmatron as a CC, but would be approximately Leader height all when combined.
I owned all the Ultra Class BW characters, except for the original Primal and BW Megatron, so I would expect if we ever saw new versions of Tigerhawk, Rampage, or Depthcharge, they would be leader class (Legacy TM2 Megatron sets the pattern for this, even with his many individual pieces). Though rampage would be challenging since he is tecnically a triple changer, and he would no longer have his functioning tank treads. Depthcharge would no longer have his yellow disk firing mechanism either. (well none of them would have firing projectiles, just like TMII Megatron)
As for Tripredacus and Magnaboss, that is tricky. The toys were sold as "Ultra Class", and were sized as such all when combined. However for the 3 to reach approximately 12 inches (or the size of the standard Prime Wars/UW Combiner) and to portray them as fictionally larger than most other Transformers, the 3 would probably have to be sold as a CC set at the very least, and the individual components have their own variable sizes as needed. Although, selling the pair together as a Haslab might be the way to go. Give them the extra parts needed, and to be a little larger, not beholden to any of the current retail standards. If they looked really amazing, I'd be willing to drop $250 (maybe $275?) for the pair together in a Haslab , but they would have to absolutely make an amazing first impression for that to happen.
Posted by Sabrblade on October 24th, 2022 @ 11:31am CDT
Probably no larger than the original figure, which in turn would give Magnaboss a better-proportioned, non-balloon-looking sized head.
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 24th, 2022 @ 11:36am CDT
o.supreme wrote:I owned all the Ultra Class BW characters, except for the original Primal and BW Megatron, so I would expect if we ever saw new versions of Tigerhawk, Rampage, or Depthcharge, they would be leader class (Legacy TM2 Megatron sets the pattern for this, even with his many individual pieces). Though rampage would be challenging since he is tecnically a triple changer, and he would no longer have his functioning tank treads. Depthcharge would no longer have his yellow disk firing mechanism either. (well none of them would have firing projectiles, just like TMII Megatron)
If they cut the triple changer aspect, they could probably release them at Voyager class. I really like Rampage's tank mode, but Depth Charge's is pretty terrible, and I would accept that sacrifice if it made them easier to do. I'm sure there's demand for them, but I worry they might not be successful enough for Leader class.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 24th, 2022 @ 12:17pm CDT
Also note: All Transmetals were Triplechangers.
Posted by o.supreme on October 24th, 2022 @ 12:20pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Plus, the Prowl figure would have be to small enough for a potential Lio Junior redeco to be adequately smaller than the Legacy Leo Prime figure since Lio Junior is supposed to be Lio Convoy's young son.
Probably no larger than the original figure, which in turn would give Magnaboss a better-proportioned, non-balloon-looking sized head.
Actually, if they went Haslab with this, they could possibly provide all the extra parts needed (heads etc...) to swap out and make these all functional as both Hasbro BW Toy versions, and Takara BWII Animated versions.
Other individual bots might need more work, but Prowl & Lio Jr. are essentially the same in alt mode
While Prowl (far left), and standard Lio Jr (far right) may have slightly different chest and leg details, I'd be content if they just offered a "Best of both" single body with swappable heads.
Posted by o.supreme on October 24th, 2022 @ 12:28pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Also note: All Transmetals were Triplechangers.
True, but some (like Rampage) were more functional than others. TMII Megatrons was never seen in the animated series, and I dont think anyone is missing it in Legacy , in fact, I dont think I've ever seen it discussed.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 24th, 2022 @ 1:06pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Also note: All Transmetals were Triplechangers.
True, but some (like Rampage) were more functional than others. TMII Megatrons was never seen in the animated series, and I dont think anyone is missing it in Legacy , in fact, I don't think I've ever seen it discussed.
Yes, some TM vehicle modes were decent. Some were Rhinox. It's funny that they only kept the triplechanger gimmick with two* in the TM2 line. Megs "Dragster Mode". Seriously, he is a flier. Who thought an altmode that turns him into a car was a good idea? On any level???
The second one, Cybershark, had a "flight mode" that was a lot better implemented.
*Tigerhawk technically has a third mode. But it is weird and indeterminate.
Posted by Overcracker on October 24th, 2022 @ 1:55pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:o.supreme wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Also note: All Transmetals were Triplechangers.
True, but some (like Rampage) were more functional than others. TMII Megatrons was never seen in the animated series, and I dont think anyone is missing it in Legacy , in fact, I don't think I've ever seen it discussed.
Yes, some TM vehicle modes were decent. Some were Rhinox. It's funny that they only kept the triplechanger gimmick with two* in the TM2 line. Megs "Dragster Mode". Seriously, he is a flier. Who thought an altmode that turns him into a car was a good idea? On any level???
The second one, Cybershark, had a "flight mode" that was a lot better implemented.
*Tigerhawk technically has a third mode. But it is weird and indeterminate.
Clearly the “Megatron needs a car mode” desgin was a work in progress.
It took them what 8 years to give him a decent car mode:
Transformers Robots In Disguise Megatron (Gigatron) Gallery
Transformers Cybertron Megatron (Master Megatron) Gallery
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 24th, 2022 @ 1:55pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Plus, the Prowl figure would have be to small enough for a potential Lio Junior redeco to be adequately smaller than the Legacy Leo Prime figure since Lio Junior is supposed to be Lio Convoy's young son.
Probably no larger than the original figure, which in turn would give Magnaboss a better-proportioned, non-balloon-looking sized head.
Actually, if they went Haslab with this, they could possibly provide all the extra parts needed (heads etc...) to swap out and make these all functional as both Hasbro BW Toy versions, and Takara BWII Animated versions.
Other individual bots might need more work, but Prowl & Lio Jr. are essentially the same in alt mode
While Prowl (far left), and standard Lio Jr (far right) may have slightly different chest and leg details, I'd be content if they just offered a "Best of both" single body with swappable heads.
Who are those other repaints and why do I get the feeling they'll be expensive?
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on October 24th, 2022 @ 1:57pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Who are those other repaints and why do I get the feeling they'll be expensive?
TFWiki wrote:Lio Junior (Puzzle pack-in, 1998)
Accessories: "Lio Byūto" tail-weapon
Lio Junior was completely redecoed in two different schemes, each one available packed in with a different jigsaw puzzle. One version cast the young lion in black plastic with a red mane, the other in a Lio Convoy-inspired white and yellow deco.
That sounds rare and expensive.
Posted by ZeroWolf on October 24th, 2022 @ 2:37pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Who are those other repaints and why do I get the feeling they'll be expensive?TFWiki wrote:Lio Junior (Puzzle pack-in, 1998)
Accessories: "Lio Byūto" tail-weapon
Lio Junior was completely redecoed in two different schemes, each one available packed in with a different jigsaw puzzle. One version cast the young lion in black plastic with a red mane, the other in a Lio Convoy-inspired white and yellow deco.
That sounds rare and expensive.
Found the black one here on Yahoo Auctions for ¥16000 which is near enough £100 (I have a feeling postage would be murder)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 24th, 2022 @ 3:21pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 24th, 2022 @ 4:18pm CDT
Emerje wrote: but he's a Prime, he's going to sell, they can afford to give him pupils.
If he's going to sell, then they can afford not to. beast mode pupils will not get in the way of sales
Posted by blackeyedprime on October 24th, 2022 @ 4:20pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 24th, 2022 @ 8:21pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote: but he's a Prime, he's going to sell, they can afford to give him pupils.
If he's going to sell, then they can afford not to. beast mode pupils will not get in the way of sales
I'm sure they think they've already increased the budget enough in parts count and if they were asked they would say as much. But they set a precedence with Primal, they should have kept the aesthetic. The two leaders aren't going to look right together in beast modes.
Emerje
Posted by Ultra Markus on October 24th, 2022 @ 9:47pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Just curious, would you guys actually preffer closed boxes? I was surprised that question was asked because I sure wouldn't. I can better tell if my toy is intact with a window.
If it's this plastic free window idea or a closed box, I sure won't pick closed box.
And don't worry EvasionBB, I got your back!
i have seen it where the figure in an open box has either been messed with missing a part or missing from the box entirely(core class) where as a closed box you cant tell if it looks undamaged from a torn or damaged box makes me wonder if they thought it through all the way
i would rather they go back to the plastic window at least for the security of it
Posted by o.supreme on October 25th, 2022 @ 12:48am CDT