New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap
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Greetings Seibertronians! The folks over at the Autobase Aichi Blog have posted several images of interest over on their twitter feed. These are new images of the forthcoming Generations Selects figure, Hubcap! We got a glimpse of Hubcap a few weeks ago but these images give us a much better look at him.
That's not all though, as these images were taken from a brand new video review of Hubcap! The reviewer was Jon Toys Reviews on YouTube and we've included the review for you below to check out.
Hubcap is a new redeco of Earthrise Cliffjumper sporting a new head.
Will this be your first chance at the Cliffjumper mold? Has Cliffjumper made such an impact on you that you want to track down Hubcap? Or are you just wanting a new representation of this old minibot? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!
That's not all though, as these images were taken from a brand new video review of Hubcap! The reviewer was Jon Toys Reviews on YouTube and we've included the review for you below to check out.
Hubcap is a new redeco of Earthrise Cliffjumper sporting a new head.
Will this be your first chance at the Cliffjumper mold? Has Cliffjumper made such an impact on you that you want to track down Hubcap? Or are you just wanting a new representation of this old minibot? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!
Credit(s): Autobase Aichi blog, Jon Toy Reviews on YouTube
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Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068559)
Posted by Skritz on June 19th, 2020 @ 9:41am CDT
Posted by Skritz on June 19th, 2020 @ 9:41am CDT
Still a bit shocked this isn't Bumblebee...but Hubcap.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068560)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 19th, 2020 @ 9:41am CDT
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 19th, 2020 @ 9:41am CDT
Hubcap actually looks better than I expected him to. The initial leak made me think the yellows would be way too different, but it looks like they've done a better job than I thought
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068561)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on June 19th, 2020 @ 9:52am CDT
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on June 19th, 2020 @ 9:52am CDT
If find it interesting that they are using part of Brunt for the gun, I wonder if any other grey pieces of him will show up elsewhere.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068563)
Posted by leokearon on June 19th, 2020 @ 10:32am CDT
Posted by leokearon on June 19th, 2020 @ 10:32am CDT
Hubcap was my first TF and and new version would be cool. But I'll probably pass sinc eit is likely they will charge Deluxe Selects money for a scout class
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068565)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on June 19th, 2020 @ 10:52am CDT
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on June 19th, 2020 @ 10:52am CDT
Something's throwing me off about Hubcap's head. It almost looks like it's 3d printed. Hopefully this means we'll be getting more minibots.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068566)
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2020 @ 11:01am CDT
We've known all along that hasbro wasn't gonna use the same exact mold for both Bee and Cliff, they said that when Cliff was first revealed.
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2020 @ 11:01am CDT
Skritz wrote:Still a bit shocked this isn't Bumblebee...but Hubcap.
We've known all along that hasbro wasn't gonna use the same exact mold for both Bee and Cliff, they said that when Cliff was first revealed.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068585)
Posted by kirbenvost on June 19th, 2020 @ 3:29pm CDT
Posted by kirbenvost on June 19th, 2020 @ 3:29pm CDT
I really like his head! I wasn't planning on picking up another version of this mold, though I love Cliffjumper. This has me reconsidering.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068587)
Posted by Emerje on June 19th, 2020 @ 3:39pm CDT
The Deluxe Selects price is the same as Deluxe retail price. The figure is way better than Scout/Legends class, much more complex engineering-wise, it belongs at a Deluxe price point despite being a short figure.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on June 19th, 2020 @ 3:39pm CDT
leokearon wrote:Hubcap was my first TF and and new version would be cool. But I'll probably pass sinc eit is likely they will charge Deluxe Selects money for a scout class
The Deluxe Selects price is the same as Deluxe retail price. The figure is way better than Scout/Legends class, much more complex engineering-wise, it belongs at a Deluxe price point despite being a short figure.
Emerje
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068591)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 3:56pm CDT
I wish people would stop using height to judge size class.
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 3:56pm CDT
Emerje wrote:leokearon wrote:Hubcap was my first TF and and new version would be cool. But I'll probably pass sinc eit is likely they will charge Deluxe Selects money for a scout class
The Deluxe Selects price is the same as Deluxe retail price. The figure is way better than Scout/Legends class, much more complex engineering-wise, it belongs at a Deluxe price point despite being a short figure.
Emerje
I wish people would stop using height to judge size class.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068592)
Posted by o.supreme on June 19th, 2020 @ 4:00pm CDT
It takes time, even I have been guilty at times, and fall back into that mode occasionally. Has there been a universally accepted "standard" of what designates a particular price point, or class? I've seen people talk about mass and/or parts count before, but this is a niche argument that needs to be made far more mainstream if this is the case.
Posted by o.supreme on June 19th, 2020 @ 4:00pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I wish people would stop using height to judge size class.
It takes time, even I have been guilty at times, and fall back into that mode occasionally. Has there been a universally accepted "standard" of what designates a particular price point, or class? I've seen people talk about mass and/or parts count before, but this is a niche argument that needs to be made far more mainstream if this is the case.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068594)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 4:07pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 4:07pm CDT
I always thought it was amount of plastic that went into it (hence why taller figures were more hollow) though it could be argued that I was deluding myself. There probably isn't an official standard
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068599)
Posted by Flashwave on June 19th, 2020 @ 4:56pm CDT
That has always been the case as far back as I can remember, parts and materials costs. That's why we never got Breakdown in Transformers Prime. Only, it used to be that the budget was locked down to per figure, with each toy getting an equal part of the budget for the wave. In Energon, Hasbro told us that we had a choice of 3 of the Combiners with two seperate limb molds each or 2 combiners with 3 limb sets and thry went woth more characters. The argument of "size" comes from toys all roughly having the same amount of mass as each other given that they have the same materials cap, (and Hasbto has never been forthcoming about what that cap is) and as materials got more expensive, figures got smaller, but smaller proportunate to their own wave. It was not until recently when Hasbro removed the "per figure" budget cap and allowed for less complex figures to share excess parts hudget with other, more complex figures of the same price point. And thats how we get exampmes of Cliffjumper alongside guys like Hoist or Siege Itonhide.
Posted by Flashwave on June 19th, 2020 @ 4:56pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:I wish people would stop using height to judge size class.
It takes time, even I have been guilty at times, and fall back into that mode occasionally. Has there been a universally accepted "standard" of what designates a particular price point, or class? I've seen people talk about mass and/or parts count before, but this is a niche argument that needs to be made far more mainstream if this is the case.
That has always been the case as far back as I can remember, parts and materials costs. That's why we never got Breakdown in Transformers Prime. Only, it used to be that the budget was locked down to per figure, with each toy getting an equal part of the budget for the wave. In Energon, Hasbro told us that we had a choice of 3 of the Combiners with two seperate limb molds each or 2 combiners with 3 limb sets and thry went woth more characters. The argument of "size" comes from toys all roughly having the same amount of mass as each other given that they have the same materials cap, (and Hasbto has never been forthcoming about what that cap is) and as materials got more expensive, figures got smaller, but smaller proportunate to their own wave. It was not until recently when Hasbro removed the "per figure" budget cap and allowed for less complex figures to share excess parts hudget with other, more complex figures of the same price point. And thats how we get exampmes of Cliffjumper alongside guys like Hoist or Siege Itonhide.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068600)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 5:03pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 5:03pm CDT
Isn't Cliffjumper more complex then those whose size he relates to though? All the reports I've read that while not 'Deluxe' height he feels more like a deluxe in hand.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068604)
Posted by aronjlove on June 19th, 2020 @ 5:36pm CDT
Posted by aronjlove on June 19th, 2020 @ 5:36pm CDT
All the legends class cars from Prime Wars had basically the same transformation: fall on their face, tuck in their arms, then flip back their legs. Maybe fold down a hood. Then rinse and repeat. Cliffjumper is complex enough it takes a moment to remember what to do if I haven't messed with him in a while. And the partsforming gives him a shield and a massive cannon or two pistols. The Legends class figures I have did not come with any accessories.ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Cliffjumper more complex then those whose size he relates to though? All the reports I've read that while not 'Deluxe' height he feels more like a deluxe in hand.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068611)
Posted by Flashwave on June 19th, 2020 @ 6:42pm CDT
That's exactly the point though, in some ways Cliff jumpers more complex than hoist, even though voice is twice the size
Posted by Flashwave on June 19th, 2020 @ 6:42pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Cliffjumper more complex then those whose size he relates to though? All the reports I've read that while not 'Deluxe' height he feels more like a deluxe in hand.
That's exactly the point though, in some ways Cliff jumpers more complex than hoist, even though voice is twice the size
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068612)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 6:44pm CDT
Ah I see! I thought you were arguing the opposite
My fault
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2020 @ 6:44pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Cliffjumper more complex then those whose size he relates to though? All the reports I've read that while not 'Deluxe' height he feels more like a deluxe in hand.
That's exactly the point though, in some ways Cliff jumpers more complex than hoist, even though voice is twice the size
Ah I see! I thought you were arguing the opposite
My fault
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068614)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 19th, 2020 @ 7:02pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 19th, 2020 @ 7:02pm CDT
You thought it would be Bumblebee, but it was I, Dio Hubcap!
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068618)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 19th, 2020 @ 8:18pm CDT
I'm the same. Only picked up cliff jumper because of a discount. In hand, he still doesn't feel like a deluxe (other than his joints) but it really wouldn't considering deluxe classics cliff jumper and comparing it to rts windcharger that was legends price that has some clever engineering/play (better ankle tilt and feet by far).
Maybe earth rise cliff jumper/hubcap could have been legends price with ball joints but I won't pretend to understand Hasbros pricing/production or laughable excuses made for it but people pay the same price for a 50g bag of chips as a 100g bag of chips
if it works for food then why not toys :/
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 19th, 2020 @ 8:18pm CDT
leokearon wrote:Hubcap was my first TF and and new version would be cool. But I'll probably pass sinc eit is likely they will charge Deluxe Selects money for a scout class
I'm the same. Only picked up cliff jumper because of a discount. In hand, he still doesn't feel like a deluxe (other than his joints) but it really wouldn't considering deluxe classics cliff jumper and comparing it to rts windcharger that was legends price that has some clever engineering/play (better ankle tilt and feet by far).
Maybe earth rise cliff jumper/hubcap could have been legends price with ball joints but I won't pretend to understand Hasbros pricing/production or laughable excuses made for it but people pay the same price for a 50g bag of chips as a 100g bag of chips
if it works for food then why not toys :/
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068625)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:20am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:20am CDT
1. The Legends/neo-Scout size class is on hiatus because of Micromasters occupying the price point
2. Ball joints are too feeble for the C.O.M.B.A.T. system. They just can't take the weight as well. Especially not ball-joint elbows and hips.
3. Cliffjumper has the mass of a Deluxe (which kiiiiinda undercuts what you said about 50g vs. 100g bags of chips), and comes with accessories - which he wouldn't if he'd been made as a Legends-class.
2. Ball joints are too feeble for the C.O.M.B.A.T. system. They just can't take the weight as well. Especially not ball-joint elbows and hips.
3. Cliffjumper has the mass of a Deluxe (which kiiiiinda undercuts what you said about 50g vs. 100g bags of chips), and comes with accessories - which he wouldn't if he'd been made as a Legends-class.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068627)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:31am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:31am CDT
Okay, that's a bit uncalled for. You made your points, isn't that enough?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. The Legends/neo-Scout size class is on hiatus because of Micromasters occupying the price point
2. Ball joints are too feeble for the C.O.M.B.A.T. system.
3. Cliffjumper has the mass of a Deluxe (Get this through your smegging heads already people), and comes with accessories - which he wouldn't if he'd been made as a Legends-class. So blackeyedprime, you can take your comment about 50g vs. 100g chip bags and shove it up your exhaust port.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068628)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:39am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:39am CDT
Alright, I'll edit now that my irritation has cooled down...
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068629)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 20th, 2020 @ 4:07am CDT
See the point where I don't pretend to know Hasbros pricing and production. If you think you have some special insight, golf clap.
Some already existing exceptions to that by his wave mates hoists floppy knee joints and previous thrilling 30 hoists ball jointed shoulders/waist that can support weaponising.
No undercutting at all and can be expanded on - when a bag of crisps that's at least 30% oxygen compared to one that isn't -because that's definitely one of cliffjumpers accessories for his price point
Selects packaging for hubcap might be different and then they won't even be including the oxygen, now that undercuts.
And I won't be editing my golfclap. Totally called for.
*Had to edit to sort out how message displays not it's content.
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 20th, 2020 @ 4:07am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. The Legends/neo-Scout size class is on hiatus because of Micromasters occupying the price point
2. Ball joints are too feeble for the C.O.M.B.A.T. system. They just can't take the weight as well. Especially not ball-joint elbows and hips.
3. Cliffjumper has the mass of a Deluxe (which kiiiiinda undercuts what you said about 50g vs. 100g bags of chips), and comes with accessories - which he wouldn't if he'd been made as a Legends-class.
See the point where I don't pretend to know Hasbros pricing and production. If you think you have some special insight, golf clap.
Some already existing exceptions to that by his wave mates hoists floppy knee joints and previous thrilling 30 hoists ball jointed shoulders/waist that can support weaponising.
No undercutting at all and can be expanded on - when a bag of crisps that's at least 30% oxygen compared to one that isn't -because that's definitely one of cliffjumpers accessories for his price point
Selects packaging for hubcap might be different and then they won't even be including the oxygen, now that undercuts.
And I won't be editing my golfclap. Totally called for.
*Had to edit to sort out how message displays not it's content.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068631)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 20th, 2020 @ 5:28am CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 20th, 2020 @ 5:28am CDT
No, I didn't think I had any special insight - just felt like the situation called for a reminder that the Micromaster 2-packs are hogging the price point that would normally be used for the Minibots' size class. So until those are over with, it's either Minibots beefed up to Deluxe with a combination of accessories and extra body mass... or no Minibots.
Ball-joint shoulders are generally a different matter from ball-jointed hips and elbows (Especially the darn elbows; those perforce have fairly open sockets that seem to develop play easily - or flop under the weight of heavier weapons). In any case, Hasbro has actually stated outright that concerns over load support are why they have eschewed ball joints for anything load-bearing; note their conspicuous absence from the hips and shoulders of Deluxes in this line, places where ball joints were fairly prominent in the Prime Wars trilogy.
Size classes are based more on "mass of plastic used" than "volume the figure occupies". Cliffjumper has a lot more meat on his bones than the likes of Titans Return Bumblebee despite being of comparable height (not to mention separate hands), and he comes with the pieces to make up his big gun from MTMTE while most of the larger deluxes get one weapon piece and that's it.
Ball-joint shoulders are generally a different matter from ball-jointed hips and elbows (Especially the darn elbows; those perforce have fairly open sockets that seem to develop play easily - or flop under the weight of heavier weapons). In any case, Hasbro has actually stated outright that concerns over load support are why they have eschewed ball joints for anything load-bearing; note their conspicuous absence from the hips and shoulders of Deluxes in this line, places where ball joints were fairly prominent in the Prime Wars trilogy.
Size classes are based more on "mass of plastic used" than "volume the figure occupies". Cliffjumper has a lot more meat on his bones than the likes of Titans Return Bumblebee despite being of comparable height (not to mention separate hands), and he comes with the pieces to make up his big gun from MTMTE while most of the larger deluxes get one weapon piece and that's it.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068632)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:50am CDT
This pleases me.
At the moment, size classes are based on mass, and I feel we're having this argument more and more often.
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:50am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:You thought it would be Bumblebee, but it was I, Dio Hubcap!
This pleases me.
At the moment, size classes are based on mass, and I feel we're having this argument more and more often.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068646)
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 10:16am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 10:16am CDT
Well all this talk has inspired me to get a postal scale. Imlomg overdue for one as it will assist in weighing this sold on eBay, but I can also go coocoo weighing all my TFs just to see 
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068654)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:02pm CDT
Then you can decide whether to be a flat earther or not... Sorry I meant Massist :p
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:02pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Well all this talk has inspired me to get a postal scale. Imlomg overdue for one as it will assist in weighing this sold on eBay, but I can also go coocoo weighing all my TFs just to see
Then you can decide whether to be a flat earther or not... Sorry I meant Massist :p
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068658)
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:40pm CDT
We've had this argument before in the Earthrise thread as this is not the first time I've weighed figures. Previously we were discussing Leader class. Now for the Deluxes. Here's Cliffjumper versus a couple of Netflix repaints. All figures include their accessories, Cliffjumper has his skis and booster on in ski mode.
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 12:40pm CDT
We've had this argument before in the Earthrise thread as this is not the first time I've weighed figures. Previously we were discussing Leader class. Now for the Deluxes. Here's Cliffjumper versus a couple of Netflix repaints. All figures include their accessories, Cliffjumper has his skis and booster on in ski mode.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068664)
Posted by Windsweeper on June 20th, 2020 @ 2:46pm CDT
Posted by Windsweeper on June 20th, 2020 @ 2:46pm CDT
Definitely bought on sight though I wish his eyes were blue.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068681)
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:27pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:27pm CDT
So cliff does weigh less than other deluxes. So it's not the amount of plastic in his case, people genuinely are getting less for their money with "Deluxe" Cliffjumper.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068685)
Posted by william-james88 on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:43pm CDT
If you only value the amount of plastic used, then all earthrise toys are rip offs compared to ultra class cyberverse toys which are the same price.
In the end, this whole discussion looks really ridiculous and dumb.
He's almost as complex as the original MP Bumblebee, which is pretty awesome.
Posted by william-james88 on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:43pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:So cliff does weigh less than other deluxes. So it's not the amount of plastic in his case, people genuinely are getting less for their money with "Deluxe" Cliffjumper.
If you only value the amount of plastic used, then all earthrise toys are rip offs compared to ultra class cyberverse toys which are the same price.
In the end, this whole discussion looks really ridiculous and dumb.
ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Cliffjumper more complex then those whose size he relates to though? All the reports I've read that while not 'Deluxe' height he feels more like a deluxe in hand.
He's almost as complex as the original MP Bumblebee, which is pretty awesome.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068686)
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:50pm CDT
People have been focusing a bit too much on plastic mass. It is a part of it, but only a part. There's also parts count and engineering complexity, among other things, and in those two aspects Cliffjumper definitely far surpasses a Legends class figure, and possibly even other Earthrise and Siege deluxes.
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:50pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:So cliff does weigh less than other deluxes. So it's not the amount of plastic in his case, people genuinely are getting less for their money with "Deluxe" Cliffjumper.
People have been focusing a bit too much on plastic mass. It is a part of it, but only a part. There's also parts count and engineering complexity, among other things, and in those two aspects Cliffjumper definitely far surpasses a Legends class figure, and possibly even other Earthrise and Siege deluxes.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068687)
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:53pm CDT
I guess if your goal is how much plastic you are getting? If that's the case, buy a bunch of Impactors, heaviest deluxe yet. But there is no way CJ is gonna sell for ten bucks these days. Spy Patrol is ten bucks and two cassettes barely weigh anything. Micromasters are also ten bucks and the Decepticon Air Strike Patrol weighs a bit more than the cassettes. For reference, PotP Tailgate is also present and comes in between the cassettes and CJ.
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 6:53pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:So cliff does weigh less than other deluxes. So it's not the amount of plastic in his case, people genuinely are getting less for their money with "Deluxe" Cliffjumper.
I guess if your goal is how much plastic you are getting? If that's the case, buy a bunch of Impactors, heaviest deluxe yet. But there is no way CJ is gonna sell for ten bucks these days. Spy Patrol is ten bucks and two cassettes barely weigh anything. Micromasters are also ten bucks and the Decepticon Air Strike Patrol weighs a bit more than the cassettes. For reference, PotP Tailgate is also present and comes in between the cassettes and CJ.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068692)
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 9:31pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 9:31pm CDT
Just for the record I've not taken sides yet, just pointing out data observations. But many of you seem to be good at critisizing what factors should not be used to determine price & size class, but not offering suggestions of what should be used.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068694)
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 9:47pm CDT
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 9:47pm CDT
I mean, these are transformers and the package usually has how many steps it takes to transform in big numbers. Because of that, I've honestly always thought that complexity was the price-determining factor. The simpler a figure the easier it is to make therefore it can be smaller and cost less. The more complicated it gets the pricier it gets. ER Cliffjumper is 18 steps, Siege Sidewswipe is 16, and ER Hoist is 20. Voyagers seem to be 25 steps or more.o.supreme wrote:Just for the record I've not taken sides yet, just pointing out data observations. But many of you seem to be good at critisizing what factors should not be used to determine price & size class, but not offering suggestions of what should be used.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068695)
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 10:06pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 20th, 2020 @ 10:06pm CDT
Thanks for the suggestion. It's the positivity I appreciate. There is of course a counterpoint, but I'll not share it today (someone else may) because I appreciate the effort and optimism.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068696)
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 10:08pm CDT
Posted by aronjlove on June 20th, 2020 @ 10:08pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Thanks for the suggestion. It's the positivity I appreciate. There is of course a counterpoint, but I'll not share it today (someone else may) because I appreciate the effort and optimism.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068698)
Posted by william-james88 on June 20th, 2020 @ 11:17pm CDT
That's because it's about the cost it takes to get a toy made. It always was, that's simple economics. The biggest cost is human labour and molding. The more parts and complexity means the more human labour is spent on assembly, and all transformers are still assembled by hand. Factories also charge per paint app. So the more parts and the more paint means more steps to get the product made and thus the higher the cost.
Why does this even need to be said?
Posted by william-james88 on June 20th, 2020 @ 11:17pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Just for the record I've not taken sides yet, just pointing out data observations. But many of you seem to be good at critisizing what factors should not be used to determine price & size class, but not offering suggestions of what should be used.
That's because it's about the cost it takes to get a toy made. It always was, that's simple economics. The biggest cost is human labour and molding. The more parts and complexity means the more human labour is spent on assembly, and all transformers are still assembled by hand. Factories also charge per paint app. So the more parts and the more paint means more steps to get the product made and thus the higher the cost.
Why does this even need to be said?
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068727)
Posted by o.supreme on June 21st, 2020 @ 11:32am CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 21st, 2020 @ 11:32am CDT
Because one can counter with examples of toys that are less complex, would require less labor time to assemble and yet still cost more money at retail. That's what I'm getting at, Every point has a counter point example of something that bucks the trend. Basically, if someone says that they shouldn't be paying $20 for ER Cliffjumper, the fans shouldn't jump all over them. It's an opinion that can have arguments to both support and counter it. If someone wants to say that there hasn't been a true Leader Class toy in the Generation line since TR they are both right and wrong at the same time. It's just frustrating is all when fans talk about this supposed standard, when in reality it is a sliding scale.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068731)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 21st, 2020 @ 11:53am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 21st, 2020 @ 11:53am CDT
I think it depends on how the person presents their opinion and then how much a fan is able to compromise on what they believe is acceptable as a size class. In my case, I can accept that Cliffjumper is sold as a deluxe because of the additional weapons he comes with and people's testimonials about how he feels and transforms.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068744)
Posted by aronjlove on June 21st, 2020 @ 1:10pm CDT
I know I'm a lil defensive of Cliffjumper so I hope I haven't offended anyone. I just can't help but feel if there was a way to test drive a figure before buying, people would have their doubts put to rest once he is in hand. Yes, he is small, but he can do everything a deluxe can do. He has knees and elbows, arms and wrists that swivel, a waist swivel, ankle tilts. His big clown feet give him a great platform for balancing. Cliffjumper is really fun and I'd hate for anyone to miss out on the fun.
Posted by aronjlove on June 21st, 2020 @ 1:10pm CDT
I know I'm a lil defensive of Cliffjumper so I hope I haven't offended anyone. I just can't help but feel if there was a way to test drive a figure before buying, people would have their doubts put to rest once he is in hand. Yes, he is small, but he can do everything a deluxe can do. He has knees and elbows, arms and wrists that swivel, a waist swivel, ankle tilts. His big clown feet give him a great platform for balancing. Cliffjumper is really fun and I'd hate for anyone to miss out on the fun.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068753)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 21st, 2020 @ 3:32pm CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 21st, 2020 @ 3:32pm CDT
More opportunities to get cliff at a discount than hubcap, likely the same for bee selects repaints too. Its not as though hasbro doesn't have a million different transformers skus out there that they couldn't have kept legends sized figures/lower price point for wfcs minibots. Its kind of nice being able to pass on some selects stuff with the amount of exclusives wfc has/is going to have.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2068773)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 21st, 2020 @ 8:54pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 21st, 2020 @ 8:54pm CDT
Hubcap looks a lot better than i thought he would! I plan to get him, he will go to the Wreckers shelf
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069103)
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:50pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:50pm CDT
When Transformers Siege Brunt was first revealed, it was pretty clear the robot mode design was taken directly from the Centurion design from the IDW Stormbringer comic. So that seemed not only like an obvious redeco but also like the character this design was intended for. But we never got an IDW Centurion ... until now... maybe. I say maybe because while this looks like grey plastic, there have been customs of this same character done already so we never know until an official release. But hey, this looks the part for sure.
You can compare below with a shot from the comic. This was posted on Instagram along with the notion of it being for the Generations Selects line.
You can compare below with a shot from the comic. This was posted on Instagram along with the notion of it being for the Generations Selects line.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069105)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:59pm CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 24th, 2020 @ 1:59pm CDT
Needs some more silver on it. Might be nice to get a tetra jet repaint as a viper too. With the x overs going crazy and rapidly expanding it might happen too.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069112)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on June 24th, 2020 @ 2:46pm CDT
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on June 24th, 2020 @ 2:46pm CDT
What I find interesting about this potential leak is that you don't see the part of Brunt that was recently just revealed to be given to Selects Hubcap. 
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069118)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 24th, 2020 @ 3:22pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 24th, 2020 @ 3:22pm CDT
This was the repaint I was expecting of Brunt from the toys reveal, though I see social media is on the fence with this being real or a custom.
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069122)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 24th, 2020 @ 3:30pm CDT
With our luck, it will be official and the only "new" reveal for the fans friday coming up
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 24th, 2020 @ 3:30pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:This was the repaint I was expecting of Brunt from the toys reveal, though I see social media is on the fence with this being real or a custom.
With our luck, it will be official and the only "new" reveal for the fans friday coming up
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069126)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 24th, 2020 @ 3:35pm CDT
Quite possibly unless they're going to do a double whammy and reveal this and Hubcap
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 24th, 2020 @ 3:35pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:This was the repaint I was expecting of Brunt from the toys reveal, though I see social media is on the fence with this being real or a custom.
With our luck, it will be official and the only "new" reveal for the fans friday coming up
Quite possibly unless they're going to do a double whammy and reveal this and Hubcap
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069133)
Posted by Jtprime17 on June 24th, 2020 @ 4:01pm CDT
Posted by Jtprime17 on June 24th, 2020 @ 4:01pm CDT
For those who care here’s a bill of lading for Selects Exhaust in the U.S.
https://panjiva.com/An-Deringer-173-W-Ihd-Vdr/68968274
E86225L00 24 PCS TRA GEN SELECTS DELUXE EXHAUST
https://panjiva.com/An-Deringer-173-W-Ihd-Vdr/68968274
E86225L00 24 PCS TRA GEN SELECTS DELUXE EXHAUST
Re: New Images and Video Review of Generations Selects Hubcap (2069143)
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 24th, 2020 @ 5:01pm CDT
Posted by Tuned Agent on June 24th, 2020 @ 5:01pm CDT
Interesting, this Centurion looks pretty good, though it could use a bit more paint. If it's real, we'll probably see more of it on Fan Friday.
