New Image of Transformers Titans Return Fortress Maximus

Va'al wrote:Weibo user TOYSPIE has uploaded - with a large number of watermarks and an internal use only mark - an image from the upcoming Titans Return line, starting with a bang: Fortress Maximus! The toy will include deluxe Titan Master Cerebros, as we had seen already, an exclusive sword and G1 style deco and stickers, with release programmed for February 2016. Check out the mirrored, albeit small, image below.

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Well that's coming quick. First of the year huh? Just in time for Skylynx to sleep on.
Looks really cool.

Well at least we dont have to go crazy waiting till toyfair like last year. And now I am confused since he arms and legs still look like Metroplex's but his base mode is really different from this:



Am I the only one a bit dissapointed that the base doesnt look as fun as the G1 toy (which I dont own yet) ?

Well doesn't seem to be a Metroplex remold now does it....

EDIT:NVM It seems to be that their are some similar parts of metroplex so it probably will be a remold but we don't know until its released

I'm a little confused as well. Is Max using the Plex mold? I knew that is speculated but the base looks different. The picture is too small, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Arms are the same. Everything else is different, it seems.

I don't think his arms and legs look all that much like Plex's, and how can you discern whether or not he looks fun from that tiny pic? How can he not be fun? He's a giant city bot.
Can't wait to find out what kind of play features/gimmicks he has.

Cobotron wrote:I don't think his arms and legs look all that much like Plex's, and how can you discern whether or not he looks fun from that tiny pic? How can he not be fun? He's a giant city bot.
Can't wait to find out what kind of play features/gimmicks he has.

Well, the patterns on the arms are very similar, and I just noticed that the upper legs and waist seem to be the same.

william-james88 wrote:Well at least we dont have to go crazy waiting till toyfair like last year. And now I am confused since he arms and legs still look like Metroplex's but his base mode is really different from this:



Am I the only one a bit dissapointed that the base doesnt look as fun as the G1 toy (which I dont own yet) ?

The legs could fold in but time will show....

You know, I just thought of something. Maybe the reason that CW is full of repaints was that they were trying to offset the cost of making this.

You know, I just thought of something. Maybe the reason that CW is full of repaints was that they were trying to offset the cost of making this and the rest of TR.

There is a SUPER INTERESTING fact on that board no one brought up yet, we finally get to have an indication at Hasbro's volume.

9K Global, 3K just US alone. Thats not a lot.

Cobotron wrote:How can he not be fun?

This should be quote of the week. If you're not having fun with toys, you're doing it wrong.

william-james88 wrote: There is a SUPER INTERESTING fact on that board no one brought up yet, we finally get to have an indication at Hasbro's volume.

9K Global, 3K just US alone. Thats not a lot.

What does that mean?

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:You know, I just thought of something. Maybe the reason that CW is full of repaints was that they were trying to offset the cost of making this and the rest of TR.

What does that mean?

Also Coborton, I really liked the verticality of the G1 toy, how it wasnt just all ramps. This one seems more of the limbs spread out to form ramps and less like a city. Though I will wait for final judgement once I learn more of the play features. Didnt mean to sound like such an old man

william-james88 wrote:

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:You know, I just thought of something. Maybe the reason that CW is full of repaints was that they were trying to offset the cost of making this and the rest of TR.

What does that mean?

Also Coborton, I really liked the verticality of the G1 toy, how it wasnt just all ramps. This one seems more of the limbs spread out to form ramps and less like a city. Though I will wait for final judgement once I learn more of the play features. Didnt mean to sound like such an old man

I accidentally quoted my own post somehow. I meant to quote yours, as to ask what the "Hasbro's volume" thing meant. If you look up, I have edited my original post to reflect that.

william-james88 wrote::-? There is a SUPER INTERESTING fact on that board no one brought up yet, we finally get to have an indication at Hasbro's volume.

9K Global, 3K just US alone. Thats not a lot.

What if that's Cases. Metro was packed 2 per case right?

Not a huge number, but most stores only got one or 2 cases where it was available. It was a lot less well distributed outside of the US, it was practically a specialist only item in the UK. Only the bigger TRUs stocked it as domestic product, everywhere else seemed to be grey imports.

Then when you add in the fact that every titan figure so far has had at least 2 versions release by Hasbro, and that Takara will be covering the Asian market release.

It'd be interesting to know how many Metros and Devvy units are out there.

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:

william-james88 wrote: There is a SUPER INTERESTING fact on that board no one brought up yet, we finally get to have an indication at Hasbro's volume.

9K Global, 3K just US alone. Thats not a lot.

What does that mean?

It means only 3000 copies of this toy will be available in the united states and 6000 will be available in the rest of the world. That is just 1000 more than a Takaratomymall exclusive for a country that has triple the population .

It could be that the edition shown here is not the fort max we will be getting since not only does it have a production similar to a more limited toy, but it also speaks of exlusive swords and titan masters. How are these exclusive in comparison to other accessories found in other toys? Is there a bigger release that doesnt include the sword?

william-james88 wrote:

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:

william-james88 wrote: There is a SUPER INTERESTING fact on that board no one brought up yet, we finally get to have an indication at Hasbro's volume.

9K Global, 3K just US alone. Thats not a lot.

What does that mean?

It means only 3000 copies of this toy will be available in the united states and 6000 will be available in the rest of the world. That is just 1000 more than a Takaratomymall exclusive for a country that has triple the population .

It could be that the edition shown here is not the fort max we will be getting since not only does it have a production similar to a more limited toy, but it also speaks of exlusive swords and titan masters. How are these exclusive in comparison to other accessories found in other toys? Is there a bigger release that doesnt include the sword?

Well, then that seals the deal. I'll have to skip Bruticus and Sky Reign (temporarily, mind you) to get this guy.

Well now very interesting. The bot mode definitely looks like it has been metroplex extensively remolded, but it looks as though if that is the true city mode, there are some extra joints added in. If so, that would be so awesome!

Looks like someone was looking at the 1987 catalog when trying to transform Fort Max into Battle Station Mode:




Definitely a reshell of Metroplex, but after trying to configure my Metroplex into that mistransformed Battle Station Mode, they really need to remold part of the thighs to allow his legs to spread out all the way, as there's a hunk of plastic on each hip that prevents him from doing that.

Wow. Tough crowd in here. Fort Max seems like an awesome update to the original.

I'm really excited about this guy, I'm just a little disappointed that they appear to have scrapped the treads on his back that we saw on the line work. Would've made him a nice blend of g1 and IDW.

I was kinda hoping he would be more in line with the IDW iteration. But it is a cool update the original idea.

There's too much to respond to in here post by post, so indirect ones will have to do.

If that is the base mode and not, as Sabr pointed out, someone mistransforming something whilst checking a catalog, I'm good with it. A kind of vanilla area will be good to have since other bots with base modes, such as Blaster, can then hook on in different places to allow for more creative uber-combined base things.

Some of the language on this makes me think this little shot is for an exclusive of some kind - sounds a lot like the pitch for SDCC Devastator. I'm not sure what "XFL: 2/19/2016" means, but I'd guess that with this being a week after Toy Fair, it's one of two things. First, could just be an announcement date, as in regular version shown at Toy Fair, with exclusive one revealed the next Friday (2/19). Alternately, this is going to be available as some online store's exclusive starting on 2/19, as it does say this would be the "First Titan Wars Product".

Lots of assumptions in here, where's this David Chua to clear things up for us!

edit: had put 2/16 before, should've been 2/19

If Max is a reshell of Metroplex then having a different base mode will be really cool for those that already have Plex. I missed out on Metroplex, so Max has a lot of my attention right now.

Speaking of base mode play, I recently got my hands on the TRU and Target "wishbooks" and I'm seeing a lot of base modes across various toy lines. How cool is that?

Looks like we are going to have to switch from shelf displays to table displays.

sol magnus wrote:Wow. Tough crowd in here. Fort Max seems like an awesome update to the original.

It's not a matter of we hate it (And it is way too early to say it's bad in any way) it's just that we are attempting to figure out if he is a remold or not. Plus we are analyzing his design based on a small picture of low quality, so it is fun to discuss! i personally am very excited for another city-former, I'm just trying to figure out how metroplex's mold may fit in

ScottyP wrote: A kind of vanilla area will be good to have since other bots with base modes, such as Blaster, can then hook on in different places to allow for more creative uber-combined base things.

Some of the language on this makes me think this little shot is for an exclusive of some kind - sounds a lot like the pitch for SDCC Devastator. I'm not sure what "XFL: 2/19/2016" means, but I'd guess that with this being a week after Toy Fair, it's one of two things. First, could just be an announcement date, as in regular version shown at Toy Fair, with exclusive one revealed the next Friday (2/19). Alternately, this is going to be available as some online store's exclusive starting on 2/19, as it does say this would be the "First Titan Wars Product".

Yes, that is the perfect word for what I was feeling, Vanilla! Not sure how many base formers I will get and if I only get one this would be it, so I would have preffered verticality over a vanilla base. But as sabre pointed out, its probably mistransformed. Still very intrigued by it all.

While it does sound like an SDCC exclusive, the fact that they speak of global quanitities and not just the States made me think it couldnt be that. But a platinum edition makes sense. Where 3K are for an exclusive distributer in the US, and the rest are handled by others in different countries. Just like the current platinum Dinobots are handled. This may be an insight into how many platinum editions are made for current sets, something I had wanted to know.

Hopefully takara will repaint (and possibly make an new pretetender mold) fortress maximus into grand maximus , and give us a brave maximus , and probably a zarak maximus (just kidding they probably wouldn't ever do that again)

Until I see Trypticon, it means NOTHING....

william-james88 wrote: Didnt mean to sound like such an old man

It's ok. We are all aloud some grump time. My turn.
Do you guys want this to be a reshell? I don't. Why are we assuming so?
For a toy this big and impressive, and at that price point, it better be a whole new toy. (or at least 80% of a new toy) Other than the over all size, shape, and function, I don't see the correlations. If it is a retool, I'd almost rather shell out another 100 bucks for the OG toy.

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: Didnt mean to sound like such an old man

It's ok. We are all aloud some grump time. My turn.
Do you guys want this to be a reshell? I don't. Why are we assuming so?
For a toy this big and impressive, and at that price point, it better be a whole new toy. (or at least 80% of a new toy) Other than the over all size, shape, and function, I don't see the correlations. If it is a retool, I'd almost rather shell out another 100 bucks for the OG toy.

Given the different look and if that is the actual transformation, different transformation areas, maybe it is a case of 2 molds that are so similar that they can be mistaken to be retools when they only share engineering?

Either way, I want this Max, and honestly I do prefer a new mold, but if this is a retool it looks to be a very good one and one that I would accept

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: Didnt mean to sound like such an old man

It's ok. We are all aloud some grump time. My turn.
Do you guys want this to be a reshell? I don't. Why are we assuming so?
For a toy this big and impressive, and at that price point, it better be a whole new toy. (or at least 80% of a new toy) Other than the over all size, shape, and function, I don't see the correlations. If it is a retool, I'd almost rather shell out another 100 bucks for the OG toy.

I am thinking of doing that RIGHT NOW. The only thing stopping me is not the price but the fact that we are moving next april and cant store too many things in the house since we are trying to make it as nice and spacious as possible for potential buyers.

And yes, its a reshell for sure, no reason they would use the same arms mold if it wasnt.

A few more things to note though:

The name written on the pic, David Chua, is a higher up at Hasbro Asia. The quantities are that of a platinum exclusive, so is the price and so is the fact that the description highlights "exclusive" features.

I think there is more and more evidence pointing us to the fact that this is most probably an Exclusive for Hasbro Asia that will get 3000 copies distributed in the states as a retailer exclusive.

grumpy-james88 wrote:the fact that we are moving next april

No wonder you're grumpy.

BillyJimmy88 wrote:And yes, its a reshell for sure, no reason they would use the same arms mold if it wasnt.

But how do you know that? I look at that picture and don't see the same arms. Maybe the hands. Look at the base mode (of that tiny picture ). The arms are laid out in front of him and appear to be possibly split open. Plex's arms don't do that. The shape of his shoulders and forearms are completely different.

Cobotron wrote:But how do you know that? I look at that picture and don't see the same arms. Maybe the hands. Look at the base mode (of that tiny picture ). The arms are laid out in front of him and appear to be possibly split open. Plex's arms don't do that. The shape of his shoulders and forearms are completely different.

Let me show you. Firstly, the pictures is a bit squished so he should look a little tallker than this.

Look at the forearms on the picture below, especially the circle. Notice that there are also these lines pointing diagonally down from the circle on the forearms?



Now look at gen metroplex in the exact same area:



Those forearms are the exact same mold. With the same molded detail of the circle and diagonal lines. Then make your eyes go up to the shoulders and if you take into account that the picture is squished a bit, you will see it is the very same proportions as metroplex with very similar shoulders. The feet might be the same mold too, not sure. But yes, looking at them both, it is a reshell with the torso area reworked for transformation and to accomodate the headmaster.

Oh another thing guys, its written Titan Wars and not Titans Return, so this could be an early image that is just surfacing now.

YAY!
MAXIMUS RULES!


but should wait for the cooler, more accurate, more elbow-abled Takara version?
he says with sharpened snarky snark

Z3ROhour wrote:whos leg do I gotta hump to get a TRYPTICON?

No humping until you're over 18

Z3ROhour wrote:YAY!
MAXIMUS RULES!


but should wait for the cooler, more accurate, more elbow-abled Takara version?
he says with sharpened snarky snark

His elbows seem fine? Is this a devastator joke?

steals_your_goats wrote:

Z3ROhour wrote:YAY!
MAXIMUS RULES!


but should wait for the cooler, more accurate, more elbow-abled Takara version?
he says with sharpened snarky snark

His elbows seem fine? Is this a devastator joke?

Thats what I gathered from it, yeah

On the one hand, FORTRESS MAXIMUS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

On the other hand, Metroplex retool. Meh.

On the OTHER other hand, this gives me an excuse to buy MakeToys Utopia as my Metroplex.

MemphisR56 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Z3ROhour wrote:YAY!
MAXIMUS RULES!


but should wait for the cooler, more accurate, more elbow-abled Takara version?
he says with sharpened snarky snark

His elbows seem fine? Is this a devastator joke?

Thats what I gathered from it, yeah

Okay thought so. The only thing I hope for out of this guy are heavier ratchets in his legs and arms. I feel like that's the one main fault in at least my Metroplex.

not sure if it will be a remold at all but this will be mine.

Please let this mean a brand new Scorponok too.

william-james88 wrote:A pretty convincing case.

i hope you know I'm not trying to be a turd here, but I'm still not 100% convinced. I see the circles, but...
Maybe I'm just being stubborn. I just want this to be new. I'll drop it for now, until we get new bigger, better pics. Which I am excited to see.
He still looks real cool, and at least he has guns on his knees!

Cryhavok wrote:Please let this mean a brand new Scorponok too.

Hasbro stated that they are making one titan class a year. Its Max this year, and they still have Omega Supreme, Predaking, Trypticon, Unicron and Scorponok in their to do list for the next years (the only one they mentioned out of those was Predaking though).

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:A pretty convincing case.

i hope you know I'm not trying to be a turd here, but I'm still not 100% convinced. I see the circles, but...
Maybe I'm just being stubborn. I just want this to be new. I'll drop it for now, until we get new bigger, better pics. Which I am excited to see.
He still looks real cool, and at least he has guns on his knees!

Lets just say it this way:

Similar details on both Metroplex and Fort Max: coincidence, I think not

Looks interesting, might have to get it; wonder if it'll be bigger than gen metroplex, ya know, reclaim that title

Hellscream9999 wrote:Looks interesting, might have to get it; wonder if it'll be bigger than gen metroplex, ya know, reclaim that title

Probably make it the same size so they can share like good autobots

william-james88 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:A pretty convincing case.

i hope you know I'm not trying to be a turd here, but I'm still not 100% convinced. I see the circles, but...
Maybe I'm just being stubborn. I just want this to be new. I'll drop it for now, until we get new bigger, better pics. Which I am excited to see.
He still looks real cool, and at least he has guns on his knees!

Lets just say it this way:

Similar details on both Metroplex and Fort Max: coincidence, I think not

Hey guys, does this help?