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SKYWARPED_128 wrote:That's weird. As Starscream, the mold looks feminine, and as Slipstream, it's too masculine.

To be fair, the head sculpt isn't really helping. Maybe getting a Shapeways head from TecromDesigns might improve it.

Just my two cents' worth.

RiddlerJ wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:That's weird. As Starscream, the mold looks feminine, and as Slipstream, it's too masculine.

To be fair, the head sculpt isn't really helping. Maybe getting a Shapeways head from TecromDesigns might improve it.

Just my two cents' worth.

I think the problem is that the chest is too large in relation to the hips. The upper half looks masculine while the lower half looks feminine.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:To be fair, the head sculpt isn't really helping. Maybe getting a Shapeways head from TecromDesigns might improve it.

Just my two cents' worth.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:So Seibertron, in your opinion, do you think this figure works better as a representation of a timelines/allighned Slipstream or Prime Starscream?

RiddlerJ wrote:I think the problem is that the chest is too large in relation to the hips. The upper half looks masculine while the lower half looks feminine.

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:So Seibertron, in your opinion, do you think this figure works better as a representation of a timelines/allighned Slipstream or Prime Starscream?

"Aligned Slipstream" is the same thing as "Prime Slipstream".

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:So Seibertron, in your opinion, do you think this figure works better as a representation of a timelines/allighned Slipstream or Prime Starscream?

"Aligned Slipstream" is the same thing as "Prime Slipstream".

Sorry i screwed up, i was kinda out out of it, anyhow what i meant to say is: does mold work better as the Timelines/aligned Slipstream or transformers Prime/aligned Starscream

GuyIncognito wrote:It's 2013, people. A figure, ESPECIALLY A ROBOT, doesn't need to have Barbie Doll proportions to represent a female character.

GuyIncognito wrote:Seeing as how "female" Transformers don't have to deliver babies vaginally, I don't see why they should have wider hips, like human females.

It's 2013, people. A figure, ESPECIALLY A ROBOT, doesn't need to have Barbie Doll proportions to represent a female character.

Sabrblade wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:To be fair, the head sculpt isn't really helping. Maybe getting a Shapeways head from TecromDesigns might improve it.

Just my two cents' worth.

The head looks much MUCH better in hand in person. That close up pic above doesn't quite capture her good side (no offense, Ryan ).

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:With all due respect to you Guy, if one has to start down that road, then there's really no point in having gender in robots in the first place.

Sabrblade wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:With all due respect to you Guy, if one has to start down that road, then there's really no point in having gender in robots in the first place.

To be fair, Transformers did actually start off that way, with the robots having no gender. Bob Budiansky wrote the original character bios and the Marvel Comics with that very mindset, but the cartoon kinda went with its own thing and introduced genders with the female Autobots in "The Search for Alpha Trion" and Arcee in the movie. Since the cartoon became more widespread than the comics did, it wound up setting the mold of TF genders more than the comics did.

One of the things I liked a lot about the Marvel series, it focused a lot on the fact that these characters were, though living, they were actually ROBOTS and there were reasons for their existence and how they came about. This is the ONE part of the Transformers continuity where they don't have (not without a good explanation) "female" Transformers. What are your thoughts on female Transformers and do you think there's room to explore that dichotomy in the Transformers mythology?

BOB: Well, I remember bringing up that question early on with Hasbro, "are any of these female?" And then I think Hasbro's attitude was, 'this is a boy toy. We don't wanna have, you know, girl robots.' So, I said, "OK, just want to clarify that." Then of course, I think it was in 1986 they came out with the movie, and they had the token female character. Don't ask me to explain it. (laughs) I don't understand it. I think what I came up with was Creation Matrix, however that worked out explaining their existence, their 'livingness' was asexual. There was no female, there was no male, there was no need for them having different sexes. So, I just left it at that and what other people have done beyond that, I don't know. I was just… you know, like I said, I early on brought this question up and I was given a certain direction by the Hasbro executives I was dealing with and I went with it. It's their toy, so if that's what they want, that's fine with me. Now, if somebody wants to change their mind and says, 'oh yeah, there should be a whole other bunch of female Transformers,' then again, it's not my toy, they can do that.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:It's kinda odd though that a one paragraph note, of a concept, brings up gender roles and the dichotomy between male and female transformers.

Sabrblade wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:It's kinda odd though that a one paragraph note, of a concept, brings up gender roles and the dichotomy between male and female transformers.

In the words of BW Megatron, oh. we simply have a thing for intelligent conversation.

Sabrblade wrote:Huh, interesting. Best guess is that he must have wrote that before deciding upon the no gender rule.

In this interview, he notes that Hasbro had spelled out a "no girl robots" rule that must have led to his treating the characters without gender:

One of the things I liked a lot about the Marvel series, it focused a lot on the fact that these characters were, though living, they were actually ROBOTS and there were reasons for their existence and how they came about. This is the ONE part of the Transformers continuity where they don't have (not without a good explanation) "female" Transformers. What are your thoughts on female Transformers and do you think there's room to explore that dichotomy in the Transformers mythology?

BOB: Well, I remember bringing up that question early on with Hasbro, "are any of these female?" And then I think Hasbro's attitude was, 'this is a boy toy. We don't wanna have, you know, girl robots.' So, I said, "OK, just want to clarify that." Then of course, I think it was in 1986 they came out with the movie, and they had the token female character. Don't ask me to explain it. (laughs) I don't understand it. I think what I came up with was Creation Matrix, however that worked out explaining their existence, their 'livingness' was asexual. There was no female, there was no male, there was no need for them having different sexes. So, I just left it at that and what other people have done beyond that, I don't know. I was just… you know, like I said, I early on brought this question up and I was given a certain direction by the Hasbro executives I was dealing with and I went with it. It's their toy, so if that's what they want, that's fine with me. Now, if somebody wants to change their mind and says, 'oh yeah, there should be a whole other bunch of female Transformers,' then again, it's not my toy, they can do that.

There's also this:

Seibertron wrote:Except none of this really works when you think about the lead time for developing the 1986 film. Isn't there usually a 1.5 to 2.5 year process of getting an animated movie made? It's mind boggling to think about how early on that the process of the animated movie, including Arcee, had begun which means you ought to toss out all of those rules about no genders just like Autobots are cars and Decepticons are jets/military vehicles nonsense.

Seibertron wrote:With the exception of Strika, female Transformers ought to have the female look pretty well covered or else it's just a female persona attached to a male body which is a whole other conversation.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Oh my.

Circuit is not just a Movieverse character... he's specifically from the "Twilight's Last Gleaming" timeline.

To Fun Pub, I only have this to say:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And here I was thinking Movie-verse (Tyran cluster) was completely off-limits. Silly me. After some looking, it's the Gamma (comic) tangent of Tyran 707.04 Delta, or the main movie, referred to in Withered Hope.

Sabrblade wrote:Tigertrack and Diaclone Sunstreaker. Clever.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tigertrack and Diaclone Sunstreaker. Clever.

That's what headswaps and Reprolabels are for

Bounti76 wrote:Did something change to the idea that the most current TFSS figure wouldn't be revealed online until about a week had passed from first arrival? I still haven't gotten mine, yet the very first person to get theirs lets everyone know via a news post on the front page, with the figure's name and picture prominently displayed. It just takes a little of the fun and all the surprise out of getting it.

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tigertrack and Diaclone Sunstreaker. Clever.

That's what headswaps and Reprolabels are for

I did the more intensive parts swap by swapping ALL of the white parts with all of the gray parts. It was a lot of work but well worth it. I think I'll give Tigertrack and Diaclone Sunstreaker a gallery here at some point, probably when I work on Masterpiece Tigertrack's gallery.

Bounti76 wrote:Did something change to the idea that the most current TFSS figure wouldn't be revealed online until about a week had passed from first arrival? I still haven't gotten mine, yet the very first person to get theirs lets everyone know via a news post on the front page, with the figure's name and picture prominently displayed. It just takes a little of the fun and all the surprise out of getting it.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tigertrack and Diaclone Sunstreaker. Clever.

That's what headswaps and Reprolabels are for

I did the more intensive parts swap by swapping ALL of the white parts with all of the gray parts. It was a lot of work but well worth it. I think I'll give Tigertrack and Diaclone Sunstreaker a gallery here at some point, probably when I work on Masterpiece Tigertrack's gallery.

The custom Classics ones? Where would they be filed under?

Bounti76 wrote:Did something change to the idea that the most current TFSS figure wouldn't be revealed online until about a week had passed from first arrival? I still haven't gotten mine, yet the very first person to get theirs lets everyone know via a news post on the front page, with the figure's name and picture prominently displayed. It just takes a little of the fun and all the surprise out of getting it.

I've never even heard of such an "idea". You sure it's not just gospel?

Seibertron wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:Did something change to the idea that the most current TFSS figure wouldn't be revealed online until about a week had passed from first arrival? I still haven't gotten mine, yet the very first person to get theirs lets everyone know via a news post on the front page, with the figure's name and picture prominently displayed. It just takes a little of the fun and all the surprise out of getting it.

That's not an idea that would be implemented here. The purpose of this site is to share the latest information about Transformers with our viewers.

stocky wrote:I seem to remember this being the case as well, at least for Scourge, that the headline stated that the first TFSS figure was shipping, but the name of the figure was not revealed in the headline, and it was stated that the name wasn't being revealed in the headline so as not to ruin the surprise for those people who had not yet received their figure. I thought it was a very considerate thing to do, and needless to say, I was still surprised when I received my Scourge figure. Unfortunately, I don't think that this has been the case for the subsequent figures when they shipped. I believe they were all revealed in the headline, ruining the surprise.

We're all fans here. I check this site at least a few times a day to find out what TF related news there is. But this is different. There's a difference between letting people know the "latest information," that they should expect the figure soon (not ruining the surprise), and letting people know the identity of the figure that is being shipped, especially in a headline (which does ruin the surprise). If a person can't show just a little consideration towards the people here that don't want the surprise ruined, because they want to feel some personal victory by being the first one to post the identity of the next figure shipping, then the answer is simple for me -- once I know the figures have started shipping, I'll just stay away from the site until I've received my figure, plain and simple. Not what I want to do, but if it's the only option, so be it.

Seibertron wrote:

stocky wrote:I seem to remember this being the case as well, at least for Scourge, that the headline stated that the first TFSS figure was shipping, but the name of the figure was not revealed in the headline, and it was stated that the name wasn't being revealed in the headline so as not to ruin the surprise for those people who had not yet received their figure. I thought it was a very considerate thing to do, and needless to say, I was still surprised when I received my Scourge figure. Unfortunately, I don't think that this has been the case for the subsequent figures when they shipped. I believe they were all revealed in the headline, ruining the surprise.

We're all fans here. I check this site at least a few times a day to find out what TF related news there is. But this is different. There's a difference between letting people know the "latest information," that they should expect the figure soon (not ruining the surprise), and letting people know the identity of the figure that is being shipped, especially in a headline (which does ruin the surprise). If a person can't show just a little consideration towards the people here that don't want the surprise ruined, because they want to feel some personal victory by being the first one to post the identity of the next figure shipping, then the answer is simple for me -- once I know the figures have started shipping, I'll just stay away from the site until I've received my figure, plain and simple. Not what I want to do, but if it's the only option, so be it.

While I understand and sympathize with those of you who enjoy secrets, this site has never been run that way. We're here to provide the latest news, spoilers and all. Everyone has their different things that they want to be surprised about. Some people don't want movie spoilers. Others don't want comics spoilers. Many don't want cartoon spoilers. Many want to be surprised about which figure they are receiving. If we tried to accommodate all of the spoiler free requests, we wouldn't have much of a news section and we would have a difficult time getting these topics properly indexed in Google search results which are a very large amount of Seibertron.com's daily traffic.

As I'm sure many of you can imagine, it's really hard for me to stay out of the way of spoilers but somehow I manage to avoid spoilers for things that I want to enjoy on my own terms. If I can find ways to avoid spoilers with me being very near the top of breaking Transformers news, I know you guys can find ways to avoid spoilers.

El Duque wrote:The long awaited TFSS figures have finally started shipping, and thanks to a tweet from Texas we can know who the first figure is! We know some of you want to be surprised when the figure arrives, so we'll do our best not to spoil it. There are six possible figures:

• Ultra Mammoth
• Scourge
• Circuit
• Jackpot
• Slipstream
• Breakdown

Check your mailboxes! For those who don't mind being spoiled scroll on down and meet your first TFSS figure.....