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I'm more impressed by the banana box and little bananas, nice addition. Kidding aside I really like him. I dig how they got the 2 different faces on that headmaster, and I dont mind the look of the battle damage.

Oh, and when is Ratchet supposed to hit Walgreen's i the US

blackeyedprime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

He's a small Voyager yes, but Spinister and the Ironhide mold are quite big for Deluxes. Also, Apeface's bulk is concentrated in his backpack and the back of his legs.

animated lockhead was big for a deluxe....and deluxe priced. We are now paying voyager prices for for deluxes and getting voyagers that are deluxes. Crazy. TR Blur was pretty much a standard sized deluxe to me. If anything its got my hopes up that they are charging deluxe prices for legends sized figures so that earthrise cliffjumper can go with the other mini bots.

Lockdown And he was indeed taller, but not necessarily significantly heavier. Remember, Size Class is dictated by weight and plastic amount, not volume. Armada Tidal Wave is another example of being taller than his Size Class would suggest.

STngAR wrote:Oh, and when is Ratchet supposed to hit Walgreen's i the US

After the Holiday Shopping Season Reset, so closer to Black Friday.

Siege Apeface have a very weak jet mode. Really, a square with a nosecone and wings tacked on. Ugly and sad. However, it knock the ape AND bot mode out of the park, making the ugly jet mode an afterthought instead of a dealbreaker.

So, yeah, I'm definitely getting him.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Siege Apeface have a very weak jet mode. Really, a square with a nosecone and wings tacked on. Ugly and sad. However, it knock the ape AND bot mode out of the park, making the ugly jet mode an afterthought instead of a dealbreaker.

So, yeah, I'm definitely getting him.

The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top. The gorilla mode is amazing compared to the very poorly designed (but man I still have nostalgic feelings for it) gorilla mode of the G1 figure.

My only complaint with this figure is the odd choice in color plastic for that off-white color of the G1 toy and Titans Return Titan Master. It comes out as a yellowish white which is a bummer. But other than that, he's a fun toy!

Here's hoping for a Snapdragon to complete the 1987 Headmasters cast at long last!

Seibertron wrote:The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top.

Basically the same, yes, but much better executed on the G1. The nosecone is much bigger and the ape arms work as long air intakes, making the jet way more streamlined. However, the bot was G1 basic (obviously) and the gorilla was horrible.

The only triple changer that break the "must sacrifice a mode so that the other two look good" rule is G1 Snapdragon. The bot is great, the jet is perfect, and the dragon manage to be awesome with what they had to work with.
I'm really curious about how that basically "perfect" design will be updated?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top.

Basically the same, yes, but much better executed on the G1. The nosecone is much bigger and the ape arms work as long air intakes, making the jet way more streamlined. However, the bot was G1 basic (obviously) and the gorilla was horrible.

The only triple changer that break the "must sacrifice a mode so that the other two look good" rule is G1 Snapdragon. The bot is great, the jet is perfect, and the dragon manage to be awesome with what they had to work with.
I'm really curious about how that basically "perfect" design will be updated?

Isn't G1 Astrotrain the best example? I feel like all of the others suffer except for G1 Astrotrain.

Seibertron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top.

Basically the same, yes, but much better executed on the G1. The nosecone is much bigger and the ape arms work as long air intakes, making the jet way more streamlined. However, the bot was G1 basic (obviously) and the gorilla was horrible.

The only triple changer that break the "must sacrifice a mode so that the other two look good" rule is G1 Snapdragon. The bot is great, the jet is perfect, and the dragon manage to be awesome with what they had to work with.
I'm really curious about how that basically "perfect" design will be updated?

Isn't G1 Astrotrain the best example? I feel like all of the others suffer except for G1 Astrotrain.

Astrotrain does too, the middle (wings to cockpit) of the shuttle doesn't exactly look the part when compared to the real deal, but we look past that because it was rendered as such in the cartoon I think. Blitzwing scores just as high with the jet cockpit visible in tank mode in both the toy and cartoon. The rest...

WFC Apeface is boxier and more stoutly proportioned in jet mode than G1, yes, but he looks more like a solid piece in Beast Mode instead of a jet folded in half me thinks. Robot Mode also looks better with the body measurements. Kinda funny: the G1 has the Beast Mode as the weakest, WFC has changed that to the Jet Mode.

He is smaller than G1 and MP Primal... Yikes.

Apeface has gone from homage to King Kong to Diddy Kong Also quite agree with -Kanrabat-, Snapdragon was always the superior of the two. I do genuinely look forward to a new version of him. They did neaten up Apeface's Beast Mode, which is all Snapdragon would need also. Since his jet mode was one of the best G1 Transformers jets.

If apeface had been a bit bigger they could have given him a functioning jet cockpit even if it was done like TR megatrons. Sadly he's going to be out of scale for me even if they do a new galvatron voyager they are probably not going to be the same size in robot mode. Still likely to pick apeface up until I can replace him (hopefully weijang up scales it).

*yeagh animated lockdown , was typing after being on the booze.

Seibertron wrote:Isn't G1 Astrotrain the best example? I feel like all of the others suffer except for G1 Astrotrain.

Oh yeah, can't believe I forgot him. I even own the toy too. The only flaws I can think of are his dinky arms in bot mode. But that's more nitpicking than anything else. There's also the shuttle thrusters in train mode, but it's way too crazy and awesome to be considered a real flaw.

STngAR wrote:I'm more impressed by the banana box and little bananas, nice addition. Kidding aside I really like him. I dig how they got the 2 different faces on that headmaster, and I dont mind the look of the battle damage.

"Bananas AGAIN? I hate bananas! Well - I guess we could make some banana BREAD. I'll get the aprons...."

I think my complaint with Apeface's jet mode comes from the cockpit. On the G1 figure, the cockpit is this massive feature dominating the entire jet. But in Siege, he suffers from Tiny Cockpit Syndrome like Springer, which means there is this huge, flat, wasted space that os just entirely jarring. The wings and tailfins are not super great, but I feel like if thTcockpit were bigger/closer to them it would all stitch together better. But thats pkay

i wished they retained the look of the original g1 jet mode
but the the modes are a lot better

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

STngAR wrote:Oh, and when is Ratchet supposed to hit Walgreen's i the US

After the Holiday Shopping Season Reset, so closer to Black Friday.

thanks for the info. Only thing that sucks is the closet Walgreens to me is 35 miles away in another state

Had a pretty nice Hometown find this weekend. Was planning to pass on retail Impactor, but in hand he looked good enough to get both versions.



Neither figure has disappointed. Impactor is a big deluxe figure, and his transformation is solid, involved, and the tank mode is wonderfully bulky. Robot mode is pretty beefy too, and he is a lot less hollow than he looked originally. He is a pretty dang good mold.

Mirage is also stellar. The transformation is incredibly intuitive and solid, the alt mode is really slick, and robot mode is clean and fantastic.

And he also has some really nice wheels. Look at this. half treaded, half slick, with some cool patterns between the 2. and the whole robot mode is super clean. He is pretty dang special

I couldn't agree with you more, D-Maximal_Primal. Mirage and Impactor are great figures. I picked them both up myself this weekend, and am VERY happy with them!

Mirage is a fantastic G1 update to the character. The proportions are right. He's got all the requisite accessories. The only thing really missing is his "26" racing number, which I'm sure ReproLabels will remedy in short order. The transformation is fun, I love how the back wheels tuck into the back of the torso to fill it out. The translucent blue plastic parts look great in both modes. All of the strong points easily outweigh the drawbacks, like the cheatsy robot mode chest and the arms stuck unceremoniously under the spoiler. Overall, he bridges the design gap between Siege and Earthrise very well, fitting in either aesthetic without much issue (thanks in part to his distinct lack of battle damage paint apps).

Impactor is very impressive. He's another big deluxe, like Ironhide and Ratchet. The transformation is intuitive and fun. He's got a "presence" posed on a shelf among other more well-known G1 characters. He just oozes "cool" without even trying. Looking at him in my display, I can't help but smile, and I have VERY little emotional connection to the character, as I never read the UK G1 comics. That's impressive to me that this toy can just draw me in completely on its own merits with no attachment to the fictional character. I really don't see many drawbacks to the figure, besides the hollow parts in the shins, which I hardly notice in person. Even the head sculpt is fine with me. It's supposed to be more strictly original G1 than IDW, so it makes sense that it emulates the 80's comic book design more than the contemporary one. Impactor is just a very pleasant surprise for me in this latter part of the Siege chapter of the War for Cybertron Trilogy.

Mirage has one of the (if not thee) best weapons assortments in the deluxe class. Side by side with Sideswipe I’m like, just a rifle more and they’d have had him right. Mirage pulls off what Sideswipe, Red Alert, and even Hound could not: rifle, rocket launcher, rocket. Put a bow on it. Boom.

The faux parts and lack of numbering on his chest are admittedly accentuated by how huge his chest is. His chest is to Transformers what Bruce Campbell’s chin is to horror movies. Sweet Christmas.

Impactor tells a story just standing there. He’s got so much going and in loud colors but somehow, it all fits and blends. He even joins the shoulder canon club with the rest of the afore mentioned bots, but in such a unique way. He looks like a big miner who became a warrior and that’s exactly who he is.

So much awesome!

Thanks to the cards I was interested enough to learn who Detritus is. A G1 Hound repaint who’s a Junkion mercenary? Uh, yes please! Totally hadn’t heard of him before now I need him

I hope with the mostly Cybertronian designs the mercs will be a Siege offshoot like through exclusives or whatever. I dunno, I’m not as in love with Earthrise as I am with Siege. I’m a very loyal but very fickle lover. Earthrise has yet to woo me.

Optimized to be Weaponized


Best fit for Cog as feet in that configuration.

Those back wheels on Mirage?

That's the stuff, it looks so good.

Got my ship notification for the Amazon Fan Vote 3 pack. My power dashers should be complete tomorrow!

I wonder how long until ebay sees a glut of Holo Mirages...

took Impactor to work, and wow he is so good. He's got the presence and the posability! I wish his hips had a little more movement, but he also gets an ab crunch and 2-way ankle tilts, so it works out.

enjoy some poses!

And the tank mode has something not often seen in a tank mode at all let alone in that class: rotating turret and the barrel can raise and lower. And he has all that articulation in bot mode.

CW Leader and TR Voyager Megatron couldn’t pull it off. TR Quake/Hardhead couldn’t pull it off. Impactor pulls it off. Siege rules

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:took Impactor to work, and wow he is so good. He's got the presence and the posability!

Yeah, like I said above, Impactor has real "presence," which is pretty freakin' awesome for a Deluxe sized, mass retail Transformers figure. If anyone is still a naysayer, please, check Impactor out in person at your local Target, Walmart, or wherever. You won't be able to resist!

Stargrave wrote:And the tank mode has something not often seen in a tank mode at all let alone in that class: rotating turret and the barrel can raise and lower. And he has all that articulation in bot mode.

CW Leader and TR Voyager Megatron couldn’t pull it off. TR Quake/Hardhead couldn’t pull it off. Impactor pulls it off. Siege rules

CW megatron's barrel can't move up and down? I never owned hastak version, but i did got the KO version, and the tank cannon has a hinge to move up and down. Was that actually not something the official version has?

On main topic, i still friggin' want impactor, and the retails over here so far seems to show no sign of bringing the 3rd anf 4th wave to indonesia.

OK, hear me out y'all.

Remove the guns, add missile pods, and we have Cybertron Defense Scattershot

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:OK, hear me out y'all.

Remove the guns, add missile pods, and we have Cybertron Defense Scattershot

I think that was pointed out around the time Impactor was revealed, and I'm still hoping for it. With us getting Cybertron Defense Hot Shot, I'm hoping to get the two other members of that subgroup, and this mold seems perfect for Scattorshot.

Omega Supreme has been out for a while but the stock has only been trickling in, not hitting the mass retailers. But worry not, he is being stocked in a big way in time for the holiday season. In Canada, you can even find him on the shelves at Toysrus for $249.99 CAD. The photo below is one I took in Quebec. He is also found on Target.com for $159.99 USD. There is even the dead husk of Toysrus' US website which links to the target listing. If ever you do find him in stores in the US, please let us know. You can reach us by clicking here.

And remember that you can share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:I think that was pointed out around the time Impactor was revealed, and I'm still hoping for it. With us getting Cybertron Defense Hot Shot, I'm hoping to get the two other members of that subgroup, and this mold seems perfect for Scattorshot.

Having him in hand, his transformation works perfectly for Scattershot. He needs to happen

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:took Impactor to work, and wow he is so good. He's got the presence and the posability! I wish his hips had a little more movement, but he also gets an ab crunch and 2-way ankle tilts, so it works out.

enjoy some poses!

So in regards to your collection did he make an Impact or what?

Deadput wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:took Impactor to work, and wow he is so good. He's got the presence and the posability! I wish his hips had a little more movement, but he also gets an ab crunch and 2-way ankle tilts, so it works out.

enjoy some poses!

So in regards to your collection did he make an Impact or what?

well, i am getting 2 of him within a few weeks of each other, so yes!

Also, he finally fulfills a dream started back in 2013 when i first went to college: I picked up the Fall of Cybertron Ruination combiner during my first band camp, and ever since, I've wanted a better quality team to stand as individuals. He was the final missing piece, and now I will have the IDW headed one to go with T30 Springer finally!!!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:well, i am getting 2 of him within a few weeks of each other, so yes!

Also, he finally fulfills a dream started back in 2013 when i first went to college: I picked up the Fall of Cybertron Ruination combiner during my first band camp, and ever since, I've wanted a better quality team to stand as individuals. He was the final missing piece, and now I will have the IDW headed one to go with T30 Springer finally!!!

This Impactor is indeed a great upgrade for a representation of the guy, can't wait to grab him myself since he looks pretty good from what I've seen.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:OK, hear me out y'all.

Remove the guns, add missile pods, and we have Cybertron Defense Scattershot

I love that idea! Since his name is actually spelled "Scattorshot" in Cybertron, that shouldn't overlap with the G1 Technobot member, "Scattershot."

What about Cybertron Defense Red Alert, though? What mold could they repurpose for him and what would he be called? We already have the G1 "Red Alert" in Siege.

Wolfman Jake wrote:What about Cybertron Defense Red Alert, though? What mold could they repurpose for him and what would he be called? We already have the G1 "Red Alert" in Siege.

Have them make an all new Stalker mold that can be retooled into Cybertron Defense Red Alert.

As for the name, he was called "First Gunner" in Japan, so maybe something like "Defense Gunner Red Alert" a la how the name "Galaxy Convoy" inspired the name of "Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime".

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:What about Cybertron Defense Red Alert, though? What mold could they repurpose for him and what would he be called? We already have the G1 "Red Alert" in Siege.

Have them make an all new Stalker mold that can be retooled into Cybertron Defense Red Alert.

As for the name, he was called "First Gunner" in Japan, so maybe something like "Defense Gunner Red Alert" a la how the name "Galaxy Convoy" inspired the name of "Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime".

Red Alert taking security to it's furthest potential, by trading one shoulder cannon for a giant one fit for attacking Unicron himself.

I know their different characters despite the same name but it's just funny to imagine G1 Red Alert bulking himself out of paranoia

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:What about Cybertron Defense Red Alert, though? What mold could they repurpose for him and what would he be called? We already have the G1 "Red Alert" in Siege.

Have them make an all new Stalker mold that can be retooled into Cybertron Defense Red Alert.

As for the name, he was called "First Gunner" in Japan, so maybe something like "Defense Gunner Red Alert" a la how the name "Galaxy Convoy" inspired the name of "Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime".

Armada Red Alert was called "Ratchet" in Micron Legend, mind you...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:What about Cybertron Defense Red Alert, though? What mold could they repurpose for him and what would he be called? We already have the G1 "Red Alert" in Siege.

Have them make an all new Stalker mold that can be retooled into Cybertron Defense Red Alert.

As for the name, he was called "First Gunner" in Japan, so maybe something like "Defense Gunner Red Alert" a la how the name "Galaxy Convoy" inspired the name of "Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime".

Armada Red Alert was called "Ratchet" in Micron Legend, mind you...

..and renamed "First Aid" in Galaxy Force. Hot Shot went through a similar process, starting as "Hot Rod" in Micron Legend, then "Hot Shot" in Super Link, and finally "Exillion" in Galaxy Force. Were these all separate characters in Japan instead of the same characters throughout the trilogy as they were in Hasbro markets?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:What about Cybertron Defense Red Alert, though? What mold could they repurpose for him and what would he be called? We already have the G1 "Red Alert" in Siege.

Have them make an all new Stalker mold that can be retooled into Cybertron Defense Red Alert.

As for the name, he was called "First Gunner" in Japan, so maybe something like "Defense Gunner Red Alert" a la how the name "Galaxy Convoy" inspired the name of "Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime".

Armada Red Alert was called "Ratchet" in Micron Legend, mind you...

..and renamed "First Aid" in Galaxy Force. Hot Shot went through a similar process, starting as "Hot Rod" in Micron Legend, then "Hot Shot" in Super Link, and finally "Exillion" in Galaxy Force. Were these all separate characters in Japan instead of the same characters throughout the trilogy as they were in Hasbro markets?

Originally Galaxy Force was separate, but Hasbro wanted to keep Cybertron in continuity with Armada and Energon as originally planned, so the cartoon was finangled to patch up and retcon every discrepancy. For that matter, dump truck Demolishor ("Long Haul"), Snow Cat and Mirage were originally new characters, but Takara wanted them to be upgrades instead with names to match (Ironhide, Sandstorm and Shockwave into Irontread, Snowstorm and Shockfleet).

Just in case anyone missed the best reviewer on YouTube:

Stargrave wrote:Siege rules

My feelings exactly. I'm sad to see it go. Hopefully Earthrise keeps the partying going as if it's Seige 2.o

As someone who is relatively new to the toy collecting part of the fandom I am astounded at how well engineered the Siege figures are. I regret spending scalper money on Takara Tomy Legends as I could have used that on more of the Siege line. I came from the IDW comics so I wanted my Brainstorm and Chromedome but the articulation on those pale in comparison to any single figure from the Siege line, not including the Micromasters. And from the images of the new Optimus and Cliffjumper it looks like Earthrise is going to be even more articulated. I'm gonna make soooo many stop-motion GIFs

Please check out my new YouTube video on Unicrons troubled Toyline video inspired by Haslab Unicron at Transformers Explained
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All yall suck.

Everyone in here is raving about this "Impactor".

"Impactor?" I said, "the ugly looking Tank? That one? Thr one with the generic head that looks like a grunt in an Impactor Helmet? That Impactor? The one that Hasbro only made look like Impactor by putting the wrong insignea on him and packi g with two other figures I don't really have any interest in?"

"...The Impactor I had every intentionn of passing on and then saw him in stores and started to doubt myself?"

Thank you, for Coubterpunching me into buying an Impactor. I am very surprised at how happy I am with this figure. I don't like the jead, and I kbow its supposed to be early Marvel UK not later IDW, but its not. That is not the expression of a bot who is cool under pressure, not afraid to break a few laws or sacrifice himself in the name of getting the job done yet still worries about leading others on the same suicide mission. And the face is too small for the helmet. I don't like the Head sculpt, but I dobt hate it as much as I did the Render.

I love the way the Legs Transform. Its familiar, but its different too. And the feet filling in the back like they do is cool. I also like the tank turret transformation, and how it maintains the swivelling turret in a different way than the CW and Siege Megatron version of such.

He's got a nice set od weapons too. I want more, may have to see what some of the 3P add ons are offering.

carytheone wrote:

Stargrave wrote:Siege rules

My feelings exactly. I'm sad to see it go. Hopefully Earthrise keeps the partying going as if it's Seige 2.o

I’m scared of and fear change. I started out loathing the idea of Siege then it was a whirlwind romance comedy and now we have all these Siege kids together...

Siege is so full of weird and quirky references and characters like Impactor but they keep hitting it out of the park for me. Come on Earthrise with your Microshieldmasters make me fall in love all over again

Stargrave wrote:...it was a whirlwind romance comedy...

What was your "meet cute" moment? Mine was when I found Sideswipe at retail. That space lambo had me from the get go

carytheone wrote:

Stargrave wrote:...it was a whirlwind romance comedy...

What was your "meet cute" moment? Mine was when I found Sideswipe at retail. That space lambo had me from the get go

For me it was Cog. Good old reliable Cog had me from hello

Flashwave wrote:All yall suck.

Fully agree with your points about the head and transformation. I cannot wait for the 3-pack one, with the IDW head. that is the one that I have been wanting. Was fully gonna pass on the retail one, but I counterpunched myself with how good it looked in the store.

It's a great figure, and hopefully the 3-pack one is the perfect version.

Also, Mirage is a pretty dang great figure. I love the alt mode, and the robot mode is pretty slick too. I wish he had some wrist rotation, but he's still really good.

I don't go to the toy stores much anymore and just get my purchases from online.

I was ready to be done with the Transformers collecting, but I was at a Toys R Us (Canadian here) for picking out Birthday gifts for relatives when I saw the Transformers toy shelf's and it was packed full of wave 1 Siege figures.

After that I just couldn't help myself and got back into it, I was thinking that Siege would be the last line and it possibly still will be but Earthrise is looking nice, got to snag a Cliffjumper for sure since he's my fave Autobot.

I just love Siege

Mirage is one of those figures that looks so good, so clean that it makes it hard for me to complain about GEEWUN when it looks that good on a deluxe budget. Him and the Sideswipe mold are basically the relatively basic design cues you expect of a transforming robot from the Diaclone line but heavily upgraded with modern engineering. If not for the faux chest hood, he'd basically be what the Diaclone designers intended but could not pull off. And no I don't count Masterpiece because MP is very much its own thing with an insane budget.

carytheone wrote:

Stargrave wrote:...it was a whirlwind romance comedy...

What was your "meet cute" moment? Mine was when I found Sideswipe at retail. That space lambo had me from the get go

Hound, Skytread, and Prime. And Ivstill really like Classics Hound, but flat feet, good heels, and cool weapons really sold me on Siege Hound and Skytread is just funky and unique.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Flashwave wrote:All yall suck.

Fully agree with your points about the head and transformation. I cannot wait for the 3-pack one, with the IDW head. that is the one that I have been wanting. Was fully gonna pass on the retail one, but I counterpunched myself with how good it looked in the store.

It's a great figure, and hopefully the 3-pack one is the perfect version.

Also, Mirage is a pretty dang great figure. I love the alt mode, and the robot mode is pretty slick too. I wish he had some wrist rotation, but he's still really good.

I have said this before, but Mirage reminds me of a Dragster. I know its the wrong alt, b8t the higher spoiler and large, backset engine really sells it for me as a compact Cybertronian Speed machine. You can even atgue that the obvious fake chest sticking out the back is akind of futuristic airfoil wheelie bar thing for steering or lift management like a Hydroplane uses. I wish it was disguised more, but eh.

I have not convinced myself I care enough about or need the Powerdashers, other than Cromar and I am only getting him for G2 Sideswipe (between Cromar and Nonnef's upgrades G2 'Swipe is gonna be a BEAST) So I will for now be passing on the 3 pack. Maybe if it hits cheap but I'm not gonna double dip on Impactor at full price