New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk
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Fellow Seibertronian Decepticon Sunstorm made us aware of a post from TFW Member Novabeam10 who wrote the following:
This confirms that Toysrus will be distributing these boxsets in Canada (which may not be the case in the US since distribution has been different in the past). Judging from the Canadian prices, this would seem to be box sets which allude to the following price ranges for their retail release in the US:
Victorion would be between 100-120$ US
G2 Menasor would be between 100-120$ US
G2 Superion would be between 100-120$ US
Platinum Planet of Junk set would be about 80$ US
This last one is the most interesting since it is a new set that none of us were aware of yet. Hasbro had alluded to more G1 reissue sets coming out recently and this could be a reissue of sorts. 2016 marks the 30th anniversary of the movie and the first time we visited the Planet of Junk so it may be a set of G1 toys related to this planet or that scene in the film. It may also simply be a reissue of the various editions of the Reveal the Shield Wreck Gar mold since the purpose of that figure was to be able to accommodate another figure to ride it, a feature that lends itself nicely to a release of multiple figures.
Tell us what you would hope this set to be and let the speculation begin!
Novabeam10 wrote:my friend at TRU here in Canada fed me a bit of information that may interest any combiner wars lover out there. Apparently TRU canada has a listing for the fans built combiner in their system alongside listings for Menasor/superion sets plus a platinum planet of Junk set. All have no orders as of yet so this may just be placeholders on online only stock
The SKU's and canadian retail pricing are as follows
Fan built combiner 778971 149.99
Menasor 778969 149.99
Superion 778966 149.99
Planet of Junk Platinum set 736239 109.99
This confirms that Toysrus will be distributing these boxsets in Canada (which may not be the case in the US since distribution has been different in the past). Judging from the Canadian prices, this would seem to be box sets which allude to the following price ranges for their retail release in the US:
Victorion would be between 100-120$ US
G2 Menasor would be between 100-120$ US
G2 Superion would be between 100-120$ US
Platinum Planet of Junk set would be about 80$ US
This last one is the most interesting since it is a new set that none of us were aware of yet. Hasbro had alluded to more G1 reissue sets coming out recently and this could be a reissue of sorts. 2016 marks the 30th anniversary of the movie and the first time we visited the Planet of Junk so it may be a set of G1 toys related to this planet or that scene in the film. It may also simply be a reissue of the various editions of the Reveal the Shield Wreck Gar mold since the purpose of that figure was to be able to accommodate another figure to ride it, a feature that lends itself nicely to a release of multiple figures.
Tell us what you would hope this set to be and let the speculation begin!
Credit(s): Novabeam10
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Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747790)
Posted by megatronus on December 13th, 2015 @ 10:37pm CST
Posted by megatronus on December 13th, 2015 @ 10:37pm CST
I'm still holding hope for a combiner that's 4 deluxe Grooves redeco'd as Junkions...
Torso? Irrelevant. (But Sky Lynx might do!)
Torso? Irrelevant. (But Sky Lynx might do!)
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747797)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 13th, 2015 @ 10:48pm CST
I would buy that, I always loved their fighting style in the movie (not to mention the choice of music to play during their sequence
)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 13th, 2015 @ 10:48pm CST
megatronus wrote:I'm still holding hope for a combiner that's 4 deluxe Grooves redeco'd as Junkions...
Torso? Irrelevant. (But Sky Lynx might do!)
I would buy that, I always loved their fighting style in the movie (not to mention the choice of music to play during their sequence
)
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747798)
Posted by william-james88 on December 13th, 2015 @ 10:49pm CST
We get along well so it gives me no pleasure to crush your dreams with this simple notion: if the box set was also a combiner, it would be the same price as the others
Posted by william-james88 on December 13th, 2015 @ 10:49pm CST
megatronus wrote:I'm still holding hope for a combiner that's 4 deluxe Grooves redeco'd as Junkions...
Torso? Irrelevant. (But Sky Lynx might do!)
We get along well so it gives me no pleasure to crush your dreams with this simple notion: if the box set was also a combiner, it would be the same price as the others
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747812)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:13pm CST
Possibly, but if it was 4 copies of the same mold, it might have a lower cost - knowing hasbro, they wouldn't, but it could've.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:13pm CST
william-james88 wrote:megatronus wrote:I'm still holding hope for a combiner that's 4 deluxe Grooves redeco'd as Junkions...
Torso? Irrelevant. (But Sky Lynx might do!)
We get along well so it gives me no pleasure to crush your dreams with this simple notion: if the box set was also a combiner, it would be the same price as the others
Possibly, but if it was 4 copies of the same mold, it might have a lower cost - knowing hasbro, they wouldn't, but it could've.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747818)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:22pm CST
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:22pm CST
$80.00 US seems steep for a reissue of G1 Wreck-Gar, though he was a bigger figure, right? I don't think any other Junkions were made in G1, but there is the eHobby exclusive Detritus, a repaint of G1 Hound. Detritus is supposedly a Decepticon aligned Junkion, so it would give Wreck-Gar a possible foil for a "versus" sort of motif.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747830)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:32pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:32pm CST
I remember that the box sets were supposed to be $99.99 US dollars, so this appears to confirm that from when we saw them way back when 
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747832)
Posted by kurthy on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:48pm CST
Posted by kurthy on December 13th, 2015 @ 11:48pm CST
I guess it wouldn't surprise me if it was a two-pack with Gnaw. Or possibly Scourge since the sweeps fought on the planet of junk.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747835)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:07am CST
He wouldn't be the only one in the set though, they would release him with another autobot who met him in the movie. Maybe magnus, since the junkions rebuilt him and that mold is up and ready for a reissue.
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:07am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:$80.00 US seems steep for a reissue of G1 Wreck-Gar, though he was a bigger figure, right? I don't think any other Junkions were made in G1, but there is the eHobby exclusive Detritus, a repaint of G1 Hound. Detritus is supposedly a Decepticon aligned Junkion, so it would give Wreck-Gar a possible foil for a "versus" sort of motif.
He wouldn't be the only one in the set though, they would release him with another autobot who met him in the movie. Maybe magnus, since the junkions rebuilt him and that mold is up and ready for a reissue.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747855)
Posted by ausbot on December 14th, 2015 @ 3:44am CST
Posted by ausbot on December 14th, 2015 @ 3:44am CST
Could be a re-issue of the Three different head Junkions from "classics" era molds.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747860)
Posted by Amelie on December 14th, 2015 @ 4:46am CST
It could well be this... but Platinum lately has seen a slew of older figures.
Please... please... let this be just two G1 Wreck-Gars in funky colours
Posted by Amelie on December 14th, 2015 @ 4:46am CST
ausbot wrote:Could be a re-issue of the Three different head Junkions from "classics" era molds.
It could well be this... but Platinum lately has seen a slew of older figures.
Please... please... let this be just two G1 Wreck-Gars in funky colours
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747866)
Posted by Emerje on December 14th, 2015 @ 5:55am CST
Posted by Emerje on December 14th, 2015 @ 5:55am CST
The title sounds like another possible theme set like the Blaster/Perceptor Intel Ops set. I'm thinking a movie themed G1 reissue set, maybe Wreck-Gar, Hot Rod, and Kup?
Emerje
Emerje
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747867)
Posted by Amelie on December 14th, 2015 @ 5:56am CST
IF its this - I really hope we finally get a magenta G1 Hotrod.
Posted by Amelie on December 14th, 2015 @ 5:56am CST
Emerje wrote:The title sounds like another possible theme set like the Blaster/Perceptor Intel Ops set. I'm thinking a movie themed G1 reissue set, maybe Wreck-Gar, Hot Rod, and Kup?
Emerje
IF its this - I really hope we finally get a magenta G1 Hotrod.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747870)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 6:27am CST
There is already the rumour of a Hot Rod and Galvatron Platinum set so I think this would be an accompaniment to that and not have hot rod.
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 6:27am CST
Emerje wrote:The title sounds like another possible theme set like the Blaster/Perceptor Intel Ops set. I'm thinking a movie themed G1 reissue set, maybe Wreck-Gar, Hot Rod, and Kup?
Emerje
There is already the rumour of a Hot Rod and Galvatron Platinum set so I think this would be an accompaniment to that and not have hot rod.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747874)
Posted by RiddlerJ on December 14th, 2015 @ 7:13am CST
Posted by RiddlerJ on December 14th, 2015 @ 7:13am CST
I would think it would be Wreck-Gar and Springer since they interacted the most in the movie. The original commercial even featured both of them.
Conversely, they could do a Quintessa set with Gnaw, Hot Rod and Kup.
Conversely, they could do a Quintessa set with Gnaw, Hot Rod and Kup.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747892)
Posted by AutobotAlvaron on December 14th, 2015 @ 10:26am CST
Posted by AutobotAlvaron on December 14th, 2015 @ 10:26am CST
It would be great if this set included a re-issue G1 Wreck-Gar along with the CHUG version like the Takara Chronicle sets. For the price, a second, or even third Junkion would be welcome. Or, perhaps it will be an "Evolution of Wreck-Gar" type of thing and also include the Animated version, I wonder?
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747910)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:04pm CST
While I don think it is likely, an evolution of wreck gar set with the animated mold would be my pie in the sky hope for this set.
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:04pm CST
AutobotAlvaron wrote:It would be great if this set included a re-issue G1 Wreck-Gar along with the CHUG version like the Takara Chronicle sets. For the price, a second, or even third Junkion would be welcome. Or, perhaps it will be an "Evolution of Wreck-Gar" type of thing and also include the Animated version, I wonder?
While I don think it is likely, an evolution of wreck gar set with the animated mold would be my pie in the sky hope for this set.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747925)
Posted by Rated X on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:27pm CST
Posted by Rated X on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:27pm CST
Is there any proof that "Platinum" means the Planet of Junk" boxset will indeed be a re-issue of a vintage figure from the 80s? (I hate when people use the term "G1" to describe vintage figures when the classics line is clearly just as G1 as any vintage figure) Werent the YOTS Omega Supreme, FOC Bruticus vs. Grimlock, and the giant Cybertron Starscream re-issue also "Platinum" releases? I was under the assumption "Platinum" simply meant re-issued figure which will be exclusive to TRU and a few other chains. My guess is its going to be a 3 pack of wreck-gar, junkheap, and scrapheap with more cartoon inspired decos. Im not saying it wont be a re-issue of the vintage wreck-gar figure, but that figure kinda sucked. I cant see that figure doing too well in retail. I think hasbro learned their lesson with the insecticons reissue and now Trypticon.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747927)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:34pm CST
No proof just speculation. However, this past year only one platinum set (that wasn't Year of Something) was not a reissue of an 80s toy. Also the jury is still out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesnt that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought youw ere against that notion.
Anyways...
Platinum Insections: g1 reissue
Platinum Intel Ops: g1 reissue
Platinum Trypticon: g1 reissue
Platinum Seeker Squadron: g1 reissue
Platinum Dinobots: AOE Dinobots reissue
Platinum Triplechangers: g1 reissue
So of those 6 platinums, only 1 was not a g1 toy. And Hasbro did say that this will not stop (in other words, there will be more). So I guess at best its 50/50 that it will be a G1 reissue.
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 12:34pm CST
Rated X wrote:Is there any proof that "Platinum" means the Planet of Junk" boxset will indeed be a re-issue of a vintage figure from the 80s? (I hate when people use the term "G1" to describe vintage figures when the classics line is clearly just as G1 as any vintage figure) Werent the YOTS Omega Supreme, FOC Bruticus vs. Grimlock, and the giant Cybertron Starscream re-issue also "Platinum" releases? I was under the assumption "Platinum" simply meant re-issued figure which will be exclusive to TRU and a few other chains. My guess is its going to be a 3 pack of wreck-gar, junkheap, and scrapheap with more cartoon inspired decos. Im not saying it wont be a re-issue of the vintage wreck-gar figure, but that figure kinda sucked. I cant see that figure doing too well in retail. I think hasbro learned their lesson with the insecticons reissue and now Trypticon.
No proof just speculation. However, this past year only one platinum set (that wasn't Year of Something) was not a reissue of an 80s toy. Also the jury is still out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesnt that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought youw ere against that notion.
Anyways...
Platinum Insections: g1 reissue
Platinum Intel Ops: g1 reissue
Platinum Trypticon: g1 reissue
Platinum Seeker Squadron: g1 reissue
Platinum Dinobots: AOE Dinobots reissue
Platinum Triplechangers: g1 reissue
So of those 6 platinums, only 1 was not a g1 toy. And Hasbro did say that this will not stop (in other words, there will be more). So I guess at best its 50/50 that it will be a G1 reissue.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747946)
Posted by ScottyP on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:08pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:08pm CST
I'm waiting for the silver/grey Perceptor and Highbrow to show up sometime. Only things in Battle Tactics based off toys that don't have a toy, or at least that I've noticed so far. Maybe this set gets a little weird?
For reference:
For reference:
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747947)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:13pm CST
I think you mean "the jury is still out," Billy J.
More to the point, though, I think Rated-X is correct in this case. Classics figures, which include a healthy portion of what we are getting from the more recent Generations lines, are by and large figures of G1 characters. Even back in the 80s, there wasn't one unifying continuity for the fiction. The toy bios constituted their own continuity, the cartoon another, and the Marvel comics a third, to say nothing of the ancillary material like activity and reading books. IDW is another G1 fiction, even though it only started within the past decade or so (not in the 1980s). Also, even though the current figures are definitely IDW inspired and tied in to their current fiction, there is product out there that doesn't have any place in the current fiction, or gets shoehorned in for promotional purposes by Hasbro's request. For instance, there is no Bruticus yet in IDW, but we're getting a full set of Combaticons, including a new Shockwave figure, a character who is currently dead in the IDW stories. G1 is an extremely malleable concept and definitely isn't restricted to the 1980s.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:13pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Also the jury is not out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesnt that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought youw ere against that notion.
I think you mean "the jury is still out," Billy J.
More to the point, though, I think Rated-X is correct in this case. Classics figures, which include a healthy portion of what we are getting from the more recent Generations lines, are by and large figures of G1 characters. Even back in the 80s, there wasn't one unifying continuity for the fiction. The toy bios constituted their own continuity, the cartoon another, and the Marvel comics a third, to say nothing of the ancillary material like activity and reading books. IDW is another G1 fiction, even though it only started within the past decade or so (not in the 1980s). Also, even though the current figures are definitely IDW inspired and tied in to their current fiction, there is product out there that doesn't have any place in the current fiction, or gets shoehorned in for promotional purposes by Hasbro's request. For instance, there is no Bruticus yet in IDW, but we're getting a full set of Combaticons, including a new Shockwave figure, a character who is currently dead in the IDW stories. G1 is an extremely malleable concept and definitely isn't restricted to the 1980s.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747948)
Posted by ScottyP on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:20pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:20pm CST
If this thread could not turn into a completely pointless circular thing about semantics, that'd be great. Call stuff what you want to; if it gets the point across, then it gets the point across.
Anyways, came back in to speculate on something else entirely, so here's that. What if "Planet of Junk" set only has characters from the Autobot/Decepticon skirmish there and not any Junkions? Would you feel disappointed? I certainly would, but you never do know if that's the approach.
Anyways, came back in to speculate on something else entirely, so here's that. What if "Planet of Junk" set only has characters from the Autobot/Decepticon skirmish there and not any Junkions? Would you feel disappointed? I certainly would, but you never do know if that's the approach.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747949)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:22pm CST
Agreed on ALL acounts
The only point I wanted to make, using your better writing, was that since G1 is so maliable, it extends to the original toys as well and thus I do not feel that saying this set is possibly a reissue of G1 toys to be wrong in any way. It could also be because I worked in a collector shop for a very long time and vintage in the collecting world (stamps, cards, coins, cars, comics, toys ect) reffers to anything pre 1980 (and sometimes only pre 1970), so I am not one to throw the word vintage out as easily. Old 50s coca cola vending machines are considered vintage but are 80s arcade machines considered vintage? Just a question, I dont know the answer but in this case a G1 tf toy would be the arcade machine (they were both out at the same time).
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:22pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:william-james88 wrote:Also the jury is not out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesnt that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought youw ere against that notion.
I think you mean "the jury is still out," Billy J.
More to the point, though, I think Rated-X is correct in this case. Classics figures, which include a healthy portion of what we are getting from the more recent Generations lines, are by and large figures of G1 characters. Even back in the 80s, there wasn't one unifying continuity for the fiction. The toy bios constituted their own continuity, the cartoon another, and the Marvel comics a third, to say nothing of the ancillary material like activity and reading books. IDW is another G1 fiction, even though it only started within the past decade or so (not in the 1980s). Also, even though the current figures are definitely IDW inspired and tied in to their current fiction, there is product out there that doesn't have any place in the current fiction, or gets shoehorned in for promotional purposes by Hasbro's request. For instance, there is no Bruticus yet in IDW, but we're getting a full set of Combaticons, including a new Shockwave figure, a character who is currently dead in the IDW stories. G1 is an extremely malleable concept and definitely isn't restricted to the 1980s.
Agreed on ALL acounts
The only point I wanted to make, using your better writing, was that since G1 is so maliable, it extends to the original toys as well and thus I do not feel that saying this set is possibly a reissue of G1 toys to be wrong in any way. It could also be because I worked in a collector shop for a very long time and vintage in the collecting world (stamps, cards, coins, cars, comics, toys ect) reffers to anything pre 1980 (and sometimes only pre 1970), so I am not one to throw the word vintage out as easily. Old 50s coca cola vending machines are considered vintage but are 80s arcade machines considered vintage? Just a question, I dont know the answer but in this case a G1 tf toy would be the arcade machine (they were both out at the same time).
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747951)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:28pm CST
Since I have none of those toys in great condition, I wouldnt be saddened at all. However, I doubt that it would be about the skirmish since that would entail having a galvatron too right? And he is rumoured ot be issued with Rodimus in a seperate set.
And I totally get your point, after all who would have thought the Seeker Squadron would refer to the coneheads? or that Perceptor would be part of an Intel Ops set?
It's really interesting that last year we had rumours of the toys being reissued and the set names came later while this year it is the opposite. For the fun of speculation, I preffer it this way.
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:28pm CST
ScottyP wrote:If this thread could not turn into a completely pointless circular thing about semantics, that'd be great. Call stuff what you want to; if it gets the point across, then it gets the point across.
Anyways, came back in to speculate on something else entirely, so here's that. What if "Planet of Junk" set only has characters from the Autobot/Decepticon skirmish there and not any Junkions? Would you feel disappointed? I certainly would, but you never do know if that's the approach.
Since I have none of those toys in great condition, I wouldnt be saddened at all. However, I doubt that it would be about the skirmish since that would entail having a galvatron too right? And he is rumoured ot be issued with Rodimus in a seperate set.
And I totally get your point, after all who would have thought the Seeker Squadron would refer to the coneheads? or that Perceptor would be part of an Intel Ops set?
It's really interesting that last year we had rumours of the toys being reissued and the set names came later while this year it is the opposite. For the fun of speculation, I preffer it this way.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747955)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:37pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:37pm CST
"Planet of Junk?" Given we have only 1 G1 Junkion figure (Wreck-Gar, and I'm not counting Detritus) and 3 "Generations" ones (Wreck-Gar, Junkheap and Scrap Iron), and Platinum releases are sets most of the time depending on size...
Yeah, I'm calling a "Generations"-style 3-pack on this one.
Yeah, I'm calling a "Generations"-style 3-pack on this one.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747957)
Posted by ScottyP on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:41pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:41pm CST
How about this - Ultra Magnus (with new detachable points at the limbs) and four Sweeps. Then later, a set of Junkions with screwdrivers and a bottle of Turtle Wax (exclusively available at Lowe's Home Improvement.)william-james88 wrote:However, I doubt that it would be about the skirmish since that would entail having a galvatron too right? And he is rumoured ot be issued with Rodimus in a seperate set.
Probably this, yeah. That mold has seen recent use too in the form of TFSS Tarantulas.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:"Planet of Junk?" Given we have only 1 G1 Junkion figure (Wreck-Gar) and 3 "Generations" ones (Wreck-Gar, Junkyard and Scrap Iron), and Platinum releases are sets most of the time depending on size...
Yeah, I'm calling a "Generations"-style 3-pack on this one.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747960)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:43pm CST
That's unfortunate, $80 for 3 versions of the same mold - all with massive qc issues...
Posted by Hellscream9999 on December 14th, 2015 @ 1:43pm CST
ScottyP wrote:Probably this, yeah. That mold has seen recent use too in the form of TFSS Tarantulas.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:"Planet of Junk?" Given we have only 1 G1 Junkion figure (Wreck-Gar) and 3 "Generations" ones (Wreck-Gar, Junkyard and Scrap Iron), and Platinum releases are sets most of the time depending on size...
Yeah, I'm calling a "Generations"-style 3-pack on this one.
That's unfortunate, $80 for 3 versions of the same mold - all with massive qc issues...
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1747982)
Posted by Emerje on December 14th, 2015 @ 3:17pm CST
Right, this is what I was thinking as well. It would be a hard sell to put basically three of the same Deluxe figure in mud and rust colors in a box and sell it at that price. At a convention, maybe, but not mass retail even as an exclusive. Now if it was a set of CHUG Wreck-Gar, Ultra Magnus, and Scourge then maybe they'd be on to something.
But the evidence is much stronger in support of a G1 reissue box set featuring the original Wreck-Gar and some other figures.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 14th, 2015 @ 3:17pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:ScottyP wrote:Probably this, yeah. That mold has seen recent use too in the form of TFSS Tarantulas.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:"Planet of Junk?" Given we have only 1 G1 Junkion figure (Wreck-Gar) and 3 "Generations" ones (Wreck-Gar, Junkyard and Scrap Iron), and Platinum releases are sets most of the time depending on size...
Yeah, I'm calling a "Generations"-style 3-pack on this one.
That's unfortunate, $80 for 3 versions of the same mold - all with massive qc issues...
Right, this is what I was thinking as well. It would be a hard sell to put basically three of the same Deluxe figure in mud and rust colors in a box and sell it at that price. At a convention, maybe, but not mass retail even as an exclusive. Now if it was a set of CHUG Wreck-Gar, Ultra Magnus, and Scourge then maybe they'd be on to something.
But the evidence is much stronger in support of a G1 reissue box set featuring the original Wreck-Gar and some other figures.
Emerje
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748019)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2015 @ 7:41pm CST
Because most of the other Platinum releases were G1 reissues? Trends like that don't last in any line. Besides, three of the same mold in one set isn't anything new, look at the Conehead set.
Also, the Canadian prices are not on the same level as the converted US prices. So that shouldn't be used as an indicator of what to expect.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2015 @ 7:41pm CST
Emerje wrote:But the evidence is much stronger in support of a G1 reissue box set featuring the original Wreck-Gar and some other figures.
Emerje
Because most of the other Platinum releases were G1 reissues? Trends like that don't last in any line. Besides, three of the same mold in one set isn't anything new, look at the Conehead set.
Also, the Canadian prices are not on the same level as the converted US prices. So that shouldn't be used as an indicator of what to expect.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748030)
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 8:37pm CST
I know what you mean, I just found it funny to read both sentences back to back and how the fact that something is G1 is used in both in a totally different way.
Also, the pries I mentioned in the news article (and which I hope people are referring to) is not the converted US price, but the American price point that is alluded to in comparison to the recent price of canadian sets as compared to US sets. One big thing I want to point out though is that the assumption here is that the sets are sold at TRU in the states as well. Becasue exclusives are priced differently depending the retailer. Check these listings for the seeker squadron in 2 different chains in two different countries:
This is the listing at Walmart Canada: 84.92$ Canadian
This is the listing at Target US : 82.49$ US
What I take from this is that if Walmart was carrying this exclusive in the states, it would have been probably 20$ cheaper, simply due to their lower margins.
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 8:37pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Emerje wrote:But the evidence is much stronger in support of a G1 reissue box set featuring the original Wreck-Gar and some other figures.
Emerje
Because most of the other Platinum releases were G1 reissues? Trends like that don't last in any line. Besides, three of the same mold in one set isn't anything new, look at the Conehead set.
Also, the Canadian prices are not on the same level as the converted US prices. So that shouldn't be used as an indicator of what to expect.
Because most of the other Platinum releases were G1 reissues?
look at the Conehead set
I know what you mean, I just found it funny to read both sentences back to back and how the fact that something is G1 is used in both in a totally different way.
Also, the pries I mentioned in the news article (and which I hope people are referring to) is not the converted US price, but the American price point that is alluded to in comparison to the recent price of canadian sets as compared to US sets. One big thing I want to point out though is that the assumption here is that the sets are sold at TRU in the states as well. Becasue exclusives are priced differently depending the retailer. Check these listings for the seeker squadron in 2 different chains in two different countries:
This is the listing at Walmart Canada: 84.92$ Canadian
This is the listing at Target US : 82.49$ US
What I take from this is that if Walmart was carrying this exclusive in the states, it would have been probably 20$ cheaper, simply due to their lower margins.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748039)
Posted by Rated X on December 14th, 2015 @ 9:03pm CST
I totally agree what Wolfman Jake said earlier. To me, "G1" consists of characters (aesthetically speaking) not continuities or molds. When I think of things that are not "G1" I tend to think more of Unicron Trilogy, Movieverse, G2, or new characters such as Drift, Bulkhead, and Strongarm. It irks me when the term "G1" is used to identify bricks from the rest of official Transformers brand toys. Any character that is from the 80s (toy or no toy) is G1. Alpha Trion never had a toy in the 80s. Does that mean Alpha Trion is not G1? The same could be said for Arcee. As for IDW, for the most part, I consider their comics "G1". All they are doing is giving a slightly modified aesthetic to the 80s characters we all know. Granted they have made some changes that I would consider non-G1 such as stealth bomber Megatron. But for the most part, the bulk of their material is 80s inspired just like the "classics" lines. The same thing goes for the Transformers Devastation video game. I would consider that G1 too. On your Alpha Bravo question, my answer is no. Alpha Bravo is not 80s inspired so he is not "G1". All he ever will be is a Vortex mold repaint in my book. Hasbros strategy to release the mold as Alpha Bravo a year before Vortex worked well. If Alpha Bravo had been released after Vortex in traditional repaint fashion, nobody would have embraced him. You got people on this site who actually consider Vortex the repaint due to the timeline of releases. I dont. Colors aside, we all know who the mold was intended to be regardless of what color plastic they injected into it first.
Posted by Rated X on December 14th, 2015 @ 9:03pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Rated X wrote:Is there any proof that "Platinum" means the Planet of Junk" boxset will indeed be a re-issue of a vintage figure from the 80s? (I hate when people use the term "G1" to describe vintage figures when the classics line is clearly just as G1 as any vintage figure) Werent the YOTS Omega Supreme, FOC Bruticus vs. Grimlock, and the giant Cybertron Starscream re-issue also "Platinum" releases? I was under the assumption "Platinum" simply meant re-issued figure which will be exclusive to TRU and a few other chains. My guess is its going to be a 3 pack of wreck-gar, junkheap, and scrapheap with more cartoon inspired decos. Im not saying it wont be a re-issue of the vintage wreck-gar figure, but that figure kinda sucked. I cant see that figure doing too well in retail. I think hasbro learned their lesson with the insecticons reissue and now Trypticon.
No proof just speculation. However, this past year only one platinum set (that wasn't Year of Something) was not a reissue of an 80s toy. Also the jury is still out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesnt that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought youw ere against that notion.
Anyways...
Platinum Insections: g1 reissue
Platinum Intel Ops: g1 reissue
Platinum Trypticon: g1 reissue
Platinum Seeker Squadron: g1 reissue
Platinum Dinobots: AOE Dinobots reissue
Platinum Triplechangers: g1 reissue
So of those 6 platinums, only 1 was not a g1 toy. And Hasbro did say that this will not stop (in other words, there will be more). So I guess at best its 50/50 that it will be a G1 reissue.
I totally agree what Wolfman Jake said earlier. To me, "G1" consists of characters (aesthetically speaking) not continuities or molds. When I think of things that are not "G1" I tend to think more of Unicron Trilogy, Movieverse, G2, or new characters such as Drift, Bulkhead, and Strongarm. It irks me when the term "G1" is used to identify bricks from the rest of official Transformers brand toys. Any character that is from the 80s (toy or no toy) is G1. Alpha Trion never had a toy in the 80s. Does that mean Alpha Trion is not G1? The same could be said for Arcee. As for IDW, for the most part, I consider their comics "G1". All they are doing is giving a slightly modified aesthetic to the 80s characters we all know. Granted they have made some changes that I would consider non-G1 such as stealth bomber Megatron. But for the most part, the bulk of their material is 80s inspired just like the "classics" lines. The same thing goes for the Transformers Devastation video game. I would consider that G1 too. On your Alpha Bravo question, my answer is no. Alpha Bravo is not 80s inspired so he is not "G1". All he ever will be is a Vortex mold repaint in my book. Hasbros strategy to release the mold as Alpha Bravo a year before Vortex worked well. If Alpha Bravo had been released after Vortex in traditional repaint fashion, nobody would have embraced him. You got people on this site who actually consider Vortex the repaint due to the timeline of releases. I dont. Colors aside, we all know who the mold was intended to be regardless of what color plastic they injected into it first.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748056)
Posted by Ultra Markus on December 14th, 2015 @ 10:57pm CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on December 14th, 2015 @ 10:57pm CST
maybe its a set of G1 characters related to that scene on junkion like
wreck-gar and springer two of whom never been reissued as far as i know
besides the word Platinum makes me think they are reissues
wreck-gar and springer two of whom never been reissued as far as i know
besides the word Platinum makes me think they are reissues
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748061)
Posted by fenrir72 on December 14th, 2015 @ 11:31pm CST
Posted by fenrir72 on December 14th, 2015 @ 11:31pm CST
I'd be happy for a G1 encore type Wreck-gar as Platinum. But it's kind of a long shot. At least the previous G1 re-issues had already pre-existing pressings (Encore Metroplex (came out of nowhere) being the exception as Trypticon more or less existed as Gigastrom) Seekers, Blaster,Cars.
Smart guess might be the recent modern Junkions will be the next Platinum, similar to the movie Dinobots with the anime heads.
Smart guess might be the recent modern Junkions will be the next Platinum, similar to the movie Dinobots with the anime heads.
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Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 11:36pm CST
But the Encore line didnt. For example Skylynx, Omega Supreme, the minibots (with the exception of bumblebee) and trail cutter. Those were all reissues which only had a G1 toys before that, no?
Posted by william-james88 on December 14th, 2015 @ 11:36pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:I'd be happy for a G1 encore type Wreck-gar as Platinum. But it's kind of a long shot. At least the previous G1 re-issues had already pre-existing pressings (Encore Metroplex (came out of nowhere) being the exception as Trypticon more or less existed as Gigastrom) Seekers, Blaster,Cars.
Smart guess might be the recent modern Junkions will be the next Platinum, similar to the movie Dinobots with the anime heads.
But the Encore line didnt. For example Skylynx, Omega Supreme, the minibots (with the exception of bumblebee) and trail cutter. Those were all reissues which only had a G1 toys before that, no?
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748063)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2015 @ 11:52pm CST
Encore was a true reissue-geared line, whereas the Platinum releases focus on readily available molds (read as: molds that have seen release within a set amount of years) for either redecoing or retooling. To illustrate, a list of releases with the last release before:
Insecticons: Universe 2008
Seeker Squadron: Encore (technically the Commemorative Series, but the base is still Encore)
Autobot Intel Ops: Universe 2008
Astrotrain & Blitzwing: Transformers Collection
Trypticon: Beast Wars II (I know, a cheat, but it still counts)
Remember we were all hoping for G1 Dinobot reissues when that set was announced, and we got the AoE retools instead? I'd say dialing down the hope for any newly found molds for reissues and expecting more redecos is the way to go. But that's just me...
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 14th, 2015 @ 11:52pm CST
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:I'd be happy for a G1 encore type Wreck-gar as Platinum. But it's kind of a long shot. At least the previous G1 re-issues had already pre-existing pressings (Encore Metroplex (came out of nowhere) being the exception as Trypticon more or less existed as Gigastrom) Seekers, Blaster,Cars.
Smart guess might be the recent modern Junkions will be the next Platinum, similar to the movie Dinobots with the anime heads.
But the Encore line didnt. For example Skylynx, Omega Supreme, the minibots (with the exception of bumblebee) and trail cutter. Those were all reissues which only had a G1 toys before that, no?
Encore was a true reissue-geared line, whereas the Platinum releases focus on readily available molds (read as: molds that have seen release within a set amount of years) for either redecoing or retooling. To illustrate, a list of releases with the last release before:
Insecticons: Universe 2008
Seeker Squadron: Encore (technically the Commemorative Series, but the base is still Encore)
Autobot Intel Ops: Universe 2008
Astrotrain & Blitzwing: Transformers Collection
Trypticon: Beast Wars II (I know, a cheat, but it still counts)
Remember we were all hoping for G1 Dinobot reissues when that set was announced, and we got the AoE retools instead? I'd say dialing down the hope for any newly found molds for reissues and expecting more redecos is the way to go. But that's just me...
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748064)
Posted by fenrir72 on December 15th, 2015 @ 12:16am CST
What she said..... including the TFC box type releases and earlier the Limited Collectors Ed grid boxes by Takara (before they became TT)
Edit: I already own a G1 Wreck-gar but if a re-issue does come, maybe add a painted face hair?
Posted by fenrir72 on December 15th, 2015 @ 12:16am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:I'd be happy for a G1 encore type Wreck-gar as Platinum. But it's kind of a long shot. At least the previous G1 re-issues had already pre-existing pressings (Encore Metroplex (came out of nowhere) being the exception as Trypticon more or less existed as Gigastrom) Seekers, Blaster,Cars.
Smart guess might be the recent modern Junkions will be the next Platinum, similar to the movie Dinobots with the anime heads.
But the Encore line didnt. For example Skylynx, Omega Supreme, the minibots (with the exception of bumblebee) and trail cutter. Those were all reissues which only had a G1 toys before that, no?
Encore was a true reissue-geared line, whereas the Platinum releases focus on readily available molds (read as: molds that have seen release within a set amount of years) for either redecoing or retooling. To illustrate, a list of releases with the last release before:
Insecticons: Universe 2008
Seeker Squadron: Encore (technically the Commemorative Series, but the base is still Encore)
Autobot Intel Ops: Universe 2008
Astrotrain & Blitzwing: Transformers Collection
Trypticon: Beast Wars II (I know, a cheat, but it still counts)
Remember we were all hoping for G1 Dinobot reissues when that set was announced, and we got the AoE retools instead? I'd say dialing down the hope for any newly found molds for reissues and expecting more redecos is the way to go. But that's just me...
What she said.....
including the TFC box type releases and earlier the Limited Collectors Ed grid boxes by Takara (before they became TT)Edit: I already own a G1 Wreck-gar but if a re-issue does come, maybe add a painted face hair?
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748066)
Posted by william-james88 on December 15th, 2015 @ 12:31am CST
Firstly, the Beast Wars II is a cheat. It's a 20 year reissue.
And no, the G1 Dinobots were never going to happen, there was no hope for it and I made that very clear for the fans here when I wrote the news story. It has been happening almost by tradition now that some SDCC exclusive ends up being rereleased for the public later so to me it was pretty obvious that this is what the platinum Dinobots were (like Platinum Bruticus).
I believe that while Hasbro doesnt care much for the Beast Wars Anniversary, they are going all out on the movie anniversary. And thus did some extra care to have some G1 toys available again. While this planet of junk is very debatable, I feel that is less the case with the Platinum Rodimus vs Galvatron set rumoured. But then again, those molds were already reused right? yeah, so we end up back at the starting point.
While I am not certain these will be G1 toy reissues, I am far more confident of it as a possibility than the dinobot scenario.
Posted by william-james88 on December 15th, 2015 @ 12:31am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Encore was a true reissue-geared line, whereas the Platinum releases focus on readily available molds (read as: molds that have seen release within a set amount of years) for either redecoing or retooling. To illustrate, a list of releases with the last release before:
Insecticons: Universe 2008
Seeker Squadron: Encore (technically the Commemorative Series, but the base is still Encore)
Autobot Intel Ops: Universe 2008
Astrotrain & Blitzwing: Transformers Collection
Trypticon: Beast Wars II (I know, a cheat, but it still counts)
Remember we were all hoping for G1 Dinobot reissues when that set was announced, and we got the AoE retools instead? I'd say dialing down the hope for any newly found molds for reissues and expecting more redecos is the way to go. But that's just me...
Firstly, the Beast Wars II is a cheat. It's a 20 year reissue.
And no, the G1 Dinobots were never going to happen, there was no hope for it and I made that very clear for the fans here when I wrote the news story. It has been happening almost by tradition now that some SDCC exclusive ends up being rereleased for the public later so to me it was pretty obvious that this is what the platinum Dinobots were (like Platinum Bruticus).
I believe that while Hasbro doesnt care much for the Beast Wars Anniversary, they are going all out on the movie anniversary. And thus did some extra care to have some G1 toys available again. While this planet of junk is very debatable, I feel that is less the case with the Platinum Rodimus vs Galvatron set rumoured. But then again, those molds were already reused right? yeah, so we end up back at the starting point.
While I am not certain these will be G1 toy reissues, I am far more confident of it as a possibility than the dinobot scenario.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748068)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 15th, 2015 @ 12:41am CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on December 15th, 2015 @ 12:41am CST
Very true I will say that I like keeping all possibilities open until concrete physical evidence points towards either side, be it G1 reissue or Generations-style redeco 
I will say that I like keeping all possibilities open until concrete physical evidence points towards either side, be it G1 reissue or Generations-style redeco
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748105)
Posted by Emerje on December 15th, 2015 @ 7:52am CST
You're kidding, right? You don't see a difference between three identical motorcycles all in dark earth tones with the only mold difference being the heads, and three jets with unique colors and different wings visible in both modes? It's hard to mistake one Conehead for another and they really pop on a store shelf, but a Junkion set with only one recognizable character would be a pretty hard sell.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on December 15th, 2015 @ 7:52am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Besides, three of the same mold in one set isn't anything new, look at the Conehead set.
You're kidding, right? You don't see a difference between three identical motorcycles all in dark earth tones with the only mold difference being the heads, and three jets with unique colors and different wings visible in both modes? It's hard to mistake one Conehead for another and they really pop on a store shelf, but a Junkion set with only one recognizable character would be a pretty hard sell.
Emerje
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Posted by ScottyP on December 15th, 2015 @ 8:54am CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 15th, 2015 @ 8:54am CST
With Perceptor's slides there's at least some precedent for new molding here, right? Ok, cool, time to pipe dream this sucker.
- G1 molds
- Wreck-Gar Reissue
- Recolored Wreck-Gar with a new face sculpt, just called "Junkion" or "Scrapheap" or something.
- Arcee from the G1 Chromedome mold with a Daniel Headmaster
- New, simple little exo-suit as a car accessory that the Daniel Headmaster can go into
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748125)
Posted by william-james88 on December 15th, 2015 @ 8:59am CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 15th, 2015 @ 8:59am CST
ScottyP wrote:[*]Arcee from the G1 Chromedome mold with a Daniel Headmaster
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748127)
Posted by ScottyP on December 15th, 2015 @ 9:01am CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 15th, 2015 @ 9:01am CST
That was going to be a thing at one point for the 1987 product line! Or maybe '88, whatever. Just never made it past the conceptual stage.william-james88 wrote:ScottyP wrote:[*]Arcee from the G1 Chromedome mold with a Daniel Headmaster
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748130)
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on December 15th, 2015 @ 9:17am CST
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on December 15th, 2015 @ 9:17am CST
I could see a box set with the 3 Generations Junkions and then a repaint of Chromia with a different head sculpt to look Nancy the Junkion in the Big Broadcast of 2006. I go with Chromia because she's a motorcycle. Could also use PRiD Arcee, FE Arcee, or Generations Arcee.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748455)
Posted by RAR on December 16th, 2015 @ 10:36pm CST
Posted by RAR on December 16th, 2015 @ 10:36pm CST
I was in a rush and didn't spot at the time that the title said Canada - so I guess the question is $150.00 CND fair ? and will it still be $150.00 USD too ?
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Also with the Hasbro price being so silly for the giftsets might it actually be cheaper to import them from Asia for some people I wonder ?
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Also with the Hasbro price being so silly for the giftsets might it actually be cheaper to import them from Asia for some people I wonder ?
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748466)
Posted by RAR on December 16th, 2015 @ 10:56pm CST
You are likely talking to people thinking in a different context - It is perfectly likely someone can say in perfect seriousness that :
"Arcee never had a G1 toy"
I suppose you could call it Transformers:The Original series - but then you risk compartmentalising yourself to tightly into a Cartoon outlook and I think the cartoon had a occasional propensity to be bloody silly so certain features that Takara might want to celebrate - I'd want to lock into a dark cupboard to remain forever forgotten.
Such as Purple Reflector, Upside-down Wing logos.
Where as other things I'm happy to see referenced like Optimus' Energy Axe or Megatron's Energy mace.
In a broader sense I'd rather certain "Cassettes" were seen as Non-Humanoid robots and not someone's "Deployer" pets.
As to IDW being G1 - nope absolutely not - it has not earned that label - it's part of the G1 continuity family however - but then so is Kiss Players, Battle Beasts & Alternity.
The question as to if Alpha Bravo, Off Road or Rook are G1 is a bit like asking is Bulkhead G1 - the answer is that yes it's quite reasonable to say that a version of those characters - along with other retconed E-Hobby types exist in that Universe they are just not usually actively shown to us.
As something like say Road Rage or Crosscut represents something that exists in that same Universe & style. However I'm not going to argue to strongly against someone who doesn't want to see it that way as Hasbro has been pushing it's Toybios in a very IDW direction with Combiner Wars so that does add an area of disconnect.
So I have to just chalk it all up as another example of a "Beast Hunters" like continuity fragmentation effect.
Personally though I'd treat Alpha Bravo as part of the "Neo Classics" Universe which I tend to see as a G1 related Universe where the 2006 Universe never happened and some events either never happened or happened later.
There will always be an aspect of personal taste involved in these choices - like for those who put Lockdown, Banzaitron and Lugnutz with their classic toys or those who insist they are Movie toys.
The whole retro-fitting idea will continue to gain traction though so long as Takara make manga with the characters in them or release things like Road Rage & Exhaust in the Masterpiece line.
Posted by RAR on December 16th, 2015 @ 10:56pm CST
Rated X wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rated X wrote:Is there any proof that "Platinum" means the Planet of Junk" boxset will indeed be a re-issue of a vintage figure from the 80s? (I hate when people use the term "G1" to describe vintage figures when the classics line is clearly just as G1 as any vintage figure) Werent the YOTS Omega Supreme, FOC Bruticus vs. Grimlock, and the giant Cybertron Starscream re-issue also "Platinum" releases? I was under the assumption "Platinum" simply meant re-issued figure which will be exclusive to TRU and a few other chains. My guess is its going to be a 3 pack of wreck-gar, junkheap, and scrapheap with more cartoon inspired decos. Im not saying it wont be a re-issue of the vintage wreck-gar figure, but that figure kinda sucked. I cant see that figure doing too well in retail. I think hasbro learned their lesson with the insecticons reissue and now Trypticon.
No proof just speculation. However, this past year only one platinum set (that wasn't Year of Something) was not a reissue of an 80s toy. Also the jury is still out on when to use and not use G1. There is a strong argument that the current generations figures are IDW based which is a different universe than the cartoon and toys of old (where Springer and Arcee didnt even know eachother). And if you believe today's toys are just as G1, doesn't that make Alpha Bravo G1? I thought you were against that notion.
Anyways...
Platinum Insections: g1 reissue
Platinum Intel Ops: g1 reissue
Platinum Trypticon: g1 reissue
Platinum Seeker Squadron: g1 reissue
Platinum Dinobots: AOE Dinobots reissue
Platinum Triplechangers: g1 reissue
So of those 6 platinums, only 1 was not a G1 toy. And Hasbro did say that this will not stop (in other words, there will be more). So I guess at best its 50/50 that it will be a G1 reissue.
I totally agree what Wolfman Jake said earlier. To me, "G1" consists of characters (aesthetically speaking) not continuities or molds. When I think of things that are not "G1" I tend to think more of Unicron Trilogy, Movieverse, G2, or new characters such as Drift, Bulkhead, and Strongarm. It irks me when the term "G1" is used to identify bricks from the rest of official Transformers brand toys. Any character that is from the 80s (toy or no toy) is G1. Alpha Trion never had a toy in the 80s. Does that mean Alpha Trion is not G1? The same could be said for Arcee. As for IDW, for the most part, I consider their comics "G1". All they are doing is giving a slightly modified aesthetic to the 80s characters we all know. Granted they have made some changes that I would consider non-G1 such as stealth bomber Megatron. But for the most part, the bulk of their material is 80s inspired just like the "classics" lines. The same thing goes for the Transformers Devastation video game. I would consider that G1 too. On your Alpha Bravo question, my answer is no. Alpha Bravo is not 80s inspired so he is not "G1". All he ever will be is a Vortex mold repaint in my book. Hasbros strategy to release the mold as Alpha Bravo a year before Vortex worked well. If Alpha Bravo had been released after Vortex in traditional repaint fashion, nobody would have embraced him. You got people on this site who actually consider Vortex the repaint due to the timeline of releases. I dont. Colors aside, we all know who the mold was intended to be regardless of what color plastic they injected into it first.
You are likely talking to people thinking in a different context - It is perfectly likely someone can say in perfect seriousness that :
"Arcee never had a G1 toy"
I suppose you could call it Transformers:The Original series - but then you risk compartmentalising yourself to tightly into a Cartoon outlook and I think the cartoon had a occasional propensity to be bloody silly so certain features that Takara might want to celebrate - I'd want to lock into a dark cupboard to remain forever forgotten.
Such as Purple Reflector, Upside-down Wing logos.
Where as other things I'm happy to see referenced like Optimus' Energy Axe or Megatron's Energy mace.
In a broader sense I'd rather certain "Cassettes" were seen as Non-Humanoid robots and not someone's "Deployer" pets.
As to IDW being G1 - nope absolutely not - it has not earned that label - it's part of the G1 continuity family however - but then so is Kiss Players, Battle Beasts & Alternity.
The question as to if Alpha Bravo, Off Road or Rook are G1 is a bit like asking is Bulkhead G1 - the answer is that yes it's quite reasonable to say that a version of those characters - along with other retconed E-Hobby types exist in that Universe they are just not usually actively shown to us.
As something like say Road Rage or Crosscut represents something that exists in that same Universe & style. However I'm not going to argue to strongly against someone who doesn't want to see it that way as Hasbro has been pushing it's Toybios in a very IDW direction with Combiner Wars so that does add an area of disconnect.
So I have to just chalk it all up as another example of a "Beast Hunters" like continuity fragmentation effect.
Personally though I'd treat Alpha Bravo as part of the "Neo Classics" Universe which I tend to see as a G1 related Universe where the 2006 Universe never happened and some events either never happened or happened later.
There will always be an aspect of personal taste involved in these choices - like for those who put Lockdown, Banzaitron and Lugnutz with their classic toys or those who insist they are Movie toys.
The whole retro-fitting idea will continue to gain traction though so long as Takara make manga with the characters in them or release things like Road Rage & Exhaust in the Masterpiece line.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748467)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2015 @ 10:57pm CST
Answers are:
1: Yes
2: No
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2015 @ 10:57pm CST
RAR wrote:I was in a rush and didn't spot at the time that the title said Canada - so I guess the question is $150.00 CND fair ? and will it still be $150.00 USD too ?
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Also with the Hasbro price being so silly for the giftsets might it actually be cheaper to import them from Asia for some people I wonder ?
Answers are:
1: Yes
2: No
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748472)
Posted by RAR on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:02pm CST
Posted by RAR on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:02pm CST
You say that But I have seen Asian Prices for the platinum Perceptor/Blaster set cheaper - yes the Insecticons I'm not so sure about.
It has happened though. thought it might be less cut and dried for someone in the USA who can dodge shipping and tax on it for someone who lives in a country that doesn't sell them - I still think it might be cheaper sometimes to import from Taiwan or China than America from time to time.
It has happened though. thought it might be less cut and dried for someone in the USA who can dodge shipping and tax on it for someone who lives in a country that doesn't sell them - I still think it might be cheaper sometimes to import from Taiwan or China than America from time to time.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748495)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:27pm CST
I don't think most of us here are under any delusion that IDW G1 is something more than another continuity within the G1 family, just as the original cartoon, the original Marvel comics, and even the original toy bios, all represented different configurations of the same core characters and basic story ideas, all concurrent with the original line of toys in the 1980s. There's NEVER been a single definitive "G1" universe.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:27pm CST
RAR wrote:As to IDW being G1 - nope absolutely not - it has not earned that label - it's part of the G1 continuity family however - but then so is Kiss Players, Battle Beasts & Alternity.
I don't think most of us here are under any delusion that IDW G1 is something more than another continuity within the G1 family, just as the original cartoon, the original Marvel comics, and even the original toy bios, all represented different configurations of the same core characters and basic story ideas, all concurrent with the original line of toys in the 1980s. There's NEVER been a single definitive "G1" universe.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748497)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:31pm CST
who are you respondong to and what are you talking about? Here is the deal: we have no clue how much these sets will be in the US though the estimated price point based on the canadian price is between 100-120 which is completely fair. You certainly dont get a discount for buying all 5 at once but it isnt a significant overcharge either. hence the use of the word fair.
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:31pm CST
RAR wrote:You say that But I have seen Asian Prices for the platinum Perceptor/Blaster set cheaper - yes the Insecticons I'm not so sure about.
It has happened though. thought it might be less cut and dried for someone in the USA who can dodge shipping and tax on it for someone who lives in a country that doesn't sell them - I still think it might be cheaper sometimes to import from Taiwan or China than America from time to time.
who are you respondong to and what are you talking about? Here is the deal: we have no clue how much these sets will be in the US though the estimated price point based on the canadian price is between 100-120 which is completely fair. You certainly dont get a discount for buying all 5 at once but it isnt a significant overcharge either. hence the use of the word fair.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748499)
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:34pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 16th, 2015 @ 11:34pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:
I don't think most of us here are under any delusion that IDW G1 is something more than another continuity within the G1 family, just as the original cartoon, the original Marvel comics, and even the original toy bios, all represented different configurations of the same core characters and basic story ideas, all concurrent with the original line of toys in the 1980s. There's NEVER been a single definitive "G1" universe.
Re: New Computer Listings at Toysrus Canada for Boxsets of G2 Combiners and Platinum Planet of Junk (1748516)
Posted by RAR on December 17th, 2015 @ 1:44am CST
Posted by RAR on December 17th, 2015 @ 1:44am CST
I guess you could draw some sort of diagram of G1ishness (though how you would farm the data points to do that I don't have a clue).
But IDW isn't especially close to G1 In my opinion - it has a lot more different than it has in common - almost every single character has a bio/personality completely distinct from either the Transformers Universe Marvel Bio or the toy techspecs or the general idea of the character you'd get from watching the TV show/1980's Movie - and often the reasons for those changes can be seen as a little thin.
I would cite Blaster as someone with PDSA or Sniper Perceptor as a couple of examples of major distinctions from 'Traditional G1'.
It's fine to give characters other motivations and relationships - but I personally wouldn't always want to put those motivation on to them retrospectively unless doing so adds something to the character than they'd otherwise be less for having - so with that in mind I'm perfectly OK with the retconed Backstory elements for Skywarp & Thundercracker.
But my point is take Kiss Players or even Alternity - they both take an established starting point and they then go off in a bonkers direction from there on - where as IDW (and indeed the classicverse) instead have different starting points or points of divergence to them that makes me see them more akin to being another unique Universe like Transformers Prime, AEC, or Transformers Animated.
Sure they share some characteristics and principles with other continuities but only for me in broad brush strokes.
But that isn't a bad thing it means if a 3rd party makes a toy of some random contempary comic Decepticon I can still add him in with the likes of Straxus as a "City Commander" type without having to bother myself overly with the aspects of IDW that are best actively ignored if you want to continue to maintain any respect for your beloved characters going forwards.
*Ultra Magnus I'm looking at you.
But IDW isn't especially close to G1 In my opinion - it has a lot more different than it has in common - almost every single character has a bio/personality completely distinct from either the Transformers Universe Marvel Bio or the toy techspecs or the general idea of the character you'd get from watching the TV show/1980's Movie - and often the reasons for those changes can be seen as a little thin.
I would cite Blaster as someone with PDSA or Sniper Perceptor as a couple of examples of major distinctions from 'Traditional G1'.
It's fine to give characters other motivations and relationships - but I personally wouldn't always want to put those motivation on to them retrospectively unless doing so adds something to the character than they'd otherwise be less for having - so with that in mind I'm perfectly OK with the retconed Backstory elements for Skywarp & Thundercracker.
But my point is take Kiss Players or even Alternity - they both take an established starting point and they then go off in a bonkers direction from there on - where as IDW (and indeed the classicverse) instead have different starting points or points of divergence to them that makes me see them more akin to being another unique Universe like Transformers Prime, AEC, or Transformers Animated.
Sure they share some characteristics and principles with other continuities but only for me in broad brush strokes.
But that isn't a bad thing it means if a 3rd party makes a toy of some random contempary comic Decepticon I can still add him in with the likes of Straxus as a "City Commander" type without having to bother myself overly with the aspects of IDW that are best actively ignored if you want to continue to maintain any respect for your beloved characters going forwards.
*Ultra Magnus I'm looking at you.
