New Beast Wars / Beast Machines Listings for Core Class in Legacy Line

Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

blackeyedprime wrote:Not interested in cores but will be nice to see if they get released at other size classes.

Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

blackeyedprime wrote:

Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:

Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

So true, I mean have you ever seen blocky animals... outside of Space Truckers?

Sabrblade wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Not interested in cores but will be nice to see if they get released at other size classes.

They already did. That's what Kingdom was about.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:A Core Class BW Dinobot... *looks at Slash*

I do have a bit of a concern regarding the BM Maximals, namely that their Beast and Robot Modes share almost no details whatsoever in the show. Will they attempt replicating that, let alone at Core scale?

Sabrblade wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:

Rtron wrote:There's no way they'll do the Beast Machines style justice. It'll be G1ified to hell and back. Beast Machines Cheetor pretool for G1 core Rampage, anyone?

I'm kidding about the pretool thing... I think.

Nah Beastwars/machines is already G1 (and G3, G4 and G0 hahaha) so they shouldnt mess with them as much as they did with the Prime figures in Legacy...maybe.

So true, I mean have you ever seen blocky animals... outside of Space Truckers?

Yes:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

In that case, skip the Legacy Armada Prime entirely and just get the old Bendy Prime. I wonder if that old "deluxe" is as big as the Legacy one?
If yes, you're set.

ZeroWolf wrote:Guess the G1 MP line is always more important at the moment.

On the other hand, I'll always welcome the news of more Beast era toys, though hopefully we can get some more vehicons

Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

It's been nearly three years since Tigatron, at this point. Sigh

sol magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

They'd have to make a super-core Rattrap, then, but I'm fine with the 'modified' scale they have now. I want all my stuff to play in the same sandbox so to speak.

Emerje wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

It's been nearly three years since Tigatron, at this point. Sigh

Beast Wars MPs were a response to us not having anything to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of Beast Wars. As long as Legacy keeps giving us Beast Wars figures I doubt we'll see another MP.

sol magnus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The main benefit of Core class Beast Wars and Beast Machines toys means they'd be closer in scale to how the Maximals, Predacons, and most Vehicons* were much smaller than the Autobots and Decepticons in those two cartoons and their related tie-in media.

*Tankor is the notable exception, since he was so much bigger than the other Vehicons and Maximals. His Generations Thrilling 30 Deluxe toy is pretty much already in scale with the Autobots and Decepticons.

They'd have to make a super-core Rattrap, then, but I'm fine with the 'modified' scale they have now. I want all my stuff to play in the same sandbox so to speak.

Wouldn't that be "sub-core"?


Emerje

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:They do both look amazing. I pre-ordered Megatron, but not Optimus as I only want the cab/bot. Prolly no chance theys gonna release just it. But I am hoping they will as Nemesis, that I will buy. If its jus the cab.

Also about the Shrapnel guns; I dont see any difference in left or right.

I don't know why you'd want just the cab when that trailer actually do something relevant contrary to Rodimus Prime. Especially because that super mode is freakishly awesome and iconic and it give Prime a fighting chance against Megatron.

I just dont care for the look of his super mode. Ever since I saw the prototype of this Optimus I was excited to use it as my main G1 Prime in a new body. To go against Super Megatron. Or at the very least, use it as my Nemesis, if theys ever release one. I really liked Armada as a whole, just not so much the look of his super mode. But the base Optimus is one of my fav looks for him, along with G2 lazer Prime. I do like the new G2 Prime, but its just barely not good enough to replace Earthrise one as my Prime. Now if it had bulkier arms, shoulder/missle-pod rotation and maybe better legs, yes.

I would not be buying Armada Prime as Armada Prime. Just like Im buying Armada Megatron to be used as Helex(since prolly never make him), or someone, cause I just really love that design, just not as my Megatron. So I have no need for Prime's super mode.(my collection is as a head-canon 4th season of Sunbow G1[with a tiny bit of IDW and Marvel jammed in]). Now as far as I remember Armada Nemesis Prime never used the super mode, correct? I am not sure if they do release just the cab as Nemesis, if it would even fit in a voyager or leader price point, or something in between.

In that case, skip the Legacy Armada Prime entirely and just get the old Bendy Prime. I wonder if that old "deluxe" is as big as the Legacy one?
If yes, you're set.

I had that very thought a few years ago. If I remember correctly bendy Prime is a bit too small and being a wonder when it was new, doesnt look as advanced and bulky as the new one.

Yeah those Core scaled BM/BWs figures would be scaled nicely. I usually dont buy core figures, unless they are supposed to be that size, ie. Rumble. However I am interested in this.

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

SkyFire Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Comes from some TFW leakers, along with Commander Magnus not having the inner bot, and a few other things.

ZeroWolf wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Comes from some TFW leakers, along with Commander Magnus not having the inner bot, and a few other things.

The rumour I'm more interested in there is the tidbit about Commander UM, as that's something I theorised myself but that's more appropriate in the ss86 thread.

As for Nemesis Prime, I still can't see them reusing the normal mode Prime figure as its going to have the super mode fists and head that will now be useless. I can see them more taking the CAD file for the figure, removing all those elements (while stripping back other things to get it in the right price point, which would probably be Voyager)!

Sabrblade wrote:Right now, due to the discovery of a toy-accurate redeco of Breakdown with a new head, there's speculation of a toy-accurate redeco of Menasor coming, possibly as a giftset something like SDCC or whatever. However, this is still to be taken as a grain of salt since it didn't come from any of the usual leakers and only a single specimen of Breakdown (which could alternately be just a pretty good fan custom) has been found so far.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In case anyone was wondering how Prowl looks with the Animated toys:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In case anyone was wondering how Prowl looks with the Animated toys:

Puny.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In case anyone was wondering how Prowl looks with the Animated toys:

Puny.

He actually sorta kinda scale with voyager Bulkhead

SkyFire Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Right now, due to the discovery of a toy-accurate redeco of Breakdown with a new head, there's speculation of a toy-accurate redeco of Menasor coming, possibly as a giftset something like SDCC or whatever. However, this is still to be taken as a grain of salt since it didn't come from any of the usual leakers and only a single specimen of Breakdown (which could alternately be just a pretty good fan custom) has been found so far.

Personally, I believe it's just breakdown's G2 treatment, which is special since he was the only original released G2 stunticon. So his origins are toy based. But I could be wrong, I wonder if they'll retool Menasor knees to be reversed for cars facing forward

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In case anyone was wondering how Prowl looks with the Animated toys:

Puny.

He actually sorta kinda scale with voyager Bulkhead

Who was also puny.

Sabrblade wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Right now, due to the discovery of a toy-accurate redeco of Breakdown with a new head, there's speculation of a toy-accurate redeco of Menasor coming, possibly as a giftset something like SDCC or whatever. However, this is still to be taken as a grain of salt since it didn't come from any of the usual leakers and only a single specimen of Breakdown (which could alternately be just a pretty good fan custom) has been found so far.

Personally, I believe it's just breakdown's G2 treatment, which is special since he was the only original released G2 stunticon. So his origins are toy based. But I could be wrong, I wonder if they'll retool Menasor knees to be reversed for cars facing forward

This isn't G2:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Am I that single user? Hehe, he was quoting my post.

Rodimus Prime wrote:A Rodimus without a trailer would be a welcome sight.

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:A Rodimus without a trailer would be a welcome sight.

My all time favorite figure from WFC proper. Trailer, no trailer...whatevs. I would buy it again for Rodimus 'Cron or Primus. Or both.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SkyFire Prime wrote:There's a pretty decent rumor that Nemesis Armada Prime is coming in the far future with no trailer... But that makes me want the current one even more, don't want to miss out on a super robot.... I'll definitely pick up a Nemesis too though.

That's not a "rumor" at all. Just a single user's wish. Because most likely, many parts of the trailer / super bot are gang-molded with the main Prime. So a repaint that would only have half the set makes no senses.

As for a Nemesis Armada Optimus, I call that it's very likely because Optimus Prime is always an easy repaint.

Still, I'd love to see a "Nemesis Skylynx" before that.

Am I that single user? Hehe, he was quoting my post.

Yeah, seems so. Sometimes we misremember things and think that small things are way bigger than we thoughts. And vice-versa.

Also, if they make a repaint of the lonely Armada Prime cab from the Commander set, I can have a lonely Sky repaint from the Commander Skylinx.
Or a lonely Motormaster cab without the combiner trailer.
Or a Rodimus with no trailer.
Or a Jetfire without his legs.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:A Rodimus without a trailer would be a welcome sight.

My all time favorite figure from WFC proper. Trailer, no trailer...whatevs. I would buy it again for Rodimus 'Cron or Primus. Or both.

Primus definitely. But IIRC the manga he appeared in had a trailer for him, so if they want to stay accurate to that, he will come with a trailer this time as well.

Razorbeast88 wrote:A rodimus unicronus would be dope
Mayhaps with a scythe instead of sword?

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:A rodimus unicronus would be dope
Mayhaps with a scythe instead of sword?

It's only been a few years since Rodimus Unicronus in PotP. I think we're overestimating how often Hasbro gives us the same very uncommon redecoes. And at any rate, if we're going to get another Black Rodimus, it needs to be this one.