MP-46 Masterpiece Blackarachnia Spider Beast Mode Revealed

I hate to say it, but that beast-mode looks plain bad. I can see a lot of people who buy this are going to leave it in robot-mode.

Just as I feared. Still I do hope there is still a bit of mistransformation.

Yyyyeah, that looks a bit mistransformed.

Sabrblade wrote:Yyyyeah, that looks a bit mistransformed.

I am sure there is some mistransformation but not enough to suddenly make the legs disappear. Remember who everyone was 100% certain MP 45 had to be mistransformed?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Yyyyeah, that looks a bit mistransformed.

I am sure there is some mistransformation but not enough to suddenly make the legs disappear. Remember who everyone was 100% certain MP 45 had to be mistransformed?

Oh, it ain't the robot legs I mean, I mean all the panels unconnected and the squashed look of the spider body and the robot arms not quite angled right/tucked away properly and the connector pieces for the spider legs misaligned, and...

Know what? They really weren't even trying to transform it right, were they?

Is MP-46 going to include that base or are we expected to steal it from Dinobot again....

mooncake623 wrote:Is MP-46 going to include that base or are we expected to steal it from Dinobot again....

everything is written in the article

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Yyyyeah, that looks a bit mistransformed.

I am sure there is some mistransformation but not enough to suddenly make the legs disappear. Remember who everyone was 100% certain MP 45 had to be mistransformed?

Oh, it ain't the robot legs I mean, I mean all the panels unconnected and the squashed look of the spider body and the robot arms not quite angled right/tucked away properly and the connector pieces for the spider legs misaligned, and...

Know what? They really weren't even trying to transform it right, were they?

This is Takara not hasbro. They don’t display stuff mistransformed. That’s her alt mode.

Everyone said the same about Bumblebee 2.0 and guess what? That was bumblebee 2.0 and this is Black Arachnia

william-james88 wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:Is MP-46 going to include that base or are we expected to steal it from Dinobot again....

everything is written in the article

Shhhhh no one reads those they just look at photos

She's a butterbug. Everything looks good but her bug.

Seriously I'm getting it just for the robot mode, unless I have a different version (such as shadow panther) my MPs pretty much stay displayed in their robot modes anyway.

I think it looks fine. A bit mistransformed in the head area, where it looks as though the robot mode arms are meant to connect to the beast head and maybe fell loose, but I mean come on. What they’ve accomplished is nothing short of amazing, once again.

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:Is MP-46 going to include that base or are we expected to steal it from Dinobot again....

everything is written in the article

Shhhhh no one reads those they just look at photos

truth

Also I was trying to make a point that they didn't include one with Megatron and am still not happy with that.

This should come with 2 bases... just saying.

oh NO

That’s just... that’s just awful. Our only hope that this is mistransformed, it sort of seems that way, especially around the back abdomen and the way the spider legs are positioned on the arm.

Let’s pray, because the bot mode on her is just so amazing.

oh lord. maybe it'd be accurate if she was squahsed by a rock in beast mode, but good lord man. that takara remold of the animated figure looked better.

Not really surprised. Let's be honest with ourselves, there's really no place on a show-accurate Blackarachnia to hide the beast kibble she'd need to make a convincing spider.

Heh, her abdomen really does just inflate/deflate like a balloon in the show:

Oh dear, that's a bit of a disaster. Not enough to stop me from buying her, but still, that's not the best spider mode I've ever seen.

Still, assuming we don't get MP BW Megatron tier QC muckups I'll get her.

well.... that's just prime.

thats just.. umm... mp bee v2 levels of bad. I agree, I dont think she's fully transformed properly, as it looks like nothings tabbed together, but Yikes. Will wait to see some better handled images before I fully pass judgement. I expected some sacrifices in beast mode to be made, but not fully sacrificing the beast mode all together. My fave beastwars character may end up being the first MP beast wars figure I dont get

Wait a minute.... “power base” is that stand going to light that web up; and the stand will *not* be the same as Dinobots?!

Zeedust wrote:Not really surprised. Let's be honest with ourselves, there's really no place on a show-accurate Blackarachnia to hide the beast kibble

I must admit, I did not read that correctly the first time.

Also, while it may be mistransformed, I dont think the part we all like the least (the back) will be ameliorated much or at all. Maybe the arms in the front will be tabbed in a bit better, but I doubt that's the dealbreaker for people right now.

That looks hideously mistransformed. I'm going to assume her Abdomen backpack and legs are supposed to be more flush than that. Of course I don't display any of my BW set in Beast Mode (just seems counterproductive) but that seems somehow worse than the original toy, which is ridiculous. I do wish you had the option to include these stands or not. As I wouldn't mind the price being lowered by 5-10% to ditch a worthless piece of unsightly plastic I'm never going to use.

It really does look mistransformed and not tabbed together properly. Even if it is right, all my MP figures are in robot mode. So no big loss for me.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I hope its terrorsaur.

Terrorsaur is the one I'm looking forward to the most. Especially as I only had his Transmetal version back in the day. My thought would be, if the selections are made on character popularity (also perhaps that Takara wouldn't release three Predacons in a row) for who is most likely to be next. I don't think Terrorsaur has popularity over Rattrap or Waspinator, for example.

I've got to agree with you on this one. while the generation ratrap, rhinox and waspy weren't the most show accurate, and are now rendered way too small by the rest of the MP beasties crew, they at least got some decent love and good new figures in recent years. Sign me up for Terrorsaur, he is in desperate need of some love. Though I also agree it will be a more popular character. Probably rhinox or rattrap.

Sweet Primus that's bad. Like they got the new intern to design it bad. I know that Blackarachnia is a physically impossible transformation, but so was Dinobot. If this is the best they can do right now, they should have waited.

No, the Spiders were never physically impossible, Dinobot was the only one in the series that was. The idea that the legs twist around to form the bulk of her spider abdomen is correct, the legs themselves clearly just need to be aligned properly and better concealed with appropriate panels and tabs.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No, the Spiders were never physically impossible, Dinobot was the only one in the series that was.

Not terrorsaur?

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No, the Spiders were never physically impossible, Dinobot was the only one in the series that was.

Not terrorsaur?

Yeah terrorsaur is gonna be an ugly disaster as a mp; I feel building her like gen arcee with the way her legs an chest end up in car mode would have yielded a decent figure

This has to be mistransformed because look at megatron’s backpack it’s not properly folded and clipped together. Bumblebee 2.0 was also slightly unclipped from the first shots of his backpack. Finally mp10’s truck mode has always had the flaps behind his wheels incorrectly folded up I can’t remember one showcase that got it right

I’ll be sad if this is all correct though. Hasbro definitely does it worse but Takara isn’t without display errors. I’m pretty sure putting hound up fully painted was on accident some time ago

Y’all keep acting like this is the end of the world, because the alt-mode isn’t 1000% screen accurate, but come on, that’s just being unreasonably unrealistic. The only reason Megs’ beast mode can be so good is because he’s so frikkin huge and has more to work with. Cheetor, Primal, and even Dinobot had minor sacrifices made to the beast modes. This is no different. I for one am super impressed, and if you can’t move past the fact that plastic simply can’t physically enter hammer-space and would seriously pass this toy up, than more power to you.

GrangerPerry wrote:This has to be mistransformed because look at megatron’s backpack it’s not properly folded and clipped together. Bumblebee 2.0 was also slightly unclipped from the first shots of his backpack. Finally mp10’s truck mode has always had the flaps behind his wheels incorrectly folded up I can’t remember one showcase that got it right

In every single one of the examples mentioned, did the fact that it was mistransformed in any way change anyone's opinion of the figure?

Will wait and see how she looks as time goes on, really hoping tarantulas is more than a simple retool of black arachnia.
I didn't get a beast wars black arachnia for years, I even had most of the neo figures I wanted before I even able to buy her, then it took me awhile to find her alternative head. This seems a purchase just for robot mode and having to hope the alt is better or just something to clip over the back making it solid/tab together.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Y’all keep acting like this is the end of the world, because the alt-mode isn’t 1000% screen accurate, but come on, that’s just being unreasonably unrealistic. The only reason Megs’ beast mode can be so good is because he’s so frikkin huge and has more to work with. Cheetor, Primal, and even Dinobot had minor sacrifices made to the beast modes. This is no different. I for one am super impressed, and if you can’t move past the fact that plastic simply can’t physically enter hammer-space and would seriously pass this toy up, than more power to you.

*receives the power*

*cackles in evil*

It's just not good enough to justify the price, if the KO (if one is ever made) comes in at 60 or less, I'll get that.

william-james88 wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:This has to be mistransformed because look at megatron’s backpack it’s not properly folded and clipped together. Bumblebee 2.0 was also slightly unclipped from the first shots of his backpack. Finally mp10’s truck mode has always had the flaps behind his wheels incorrectly folded up I can’t remember one showcase that got it right

In every single one of the examples mentioned, did the fact that it was mistransformed in any way change anyone's opinion of the figure?

Is it even fair to call them mistransformed? I mean, they just aren't completely tabbed because their at the hand painted stage and there's thick paint on the tabs. They're intentionally not tabbed together. Knowing this the gaps don't bother me until we're at the final product.

I'll be pre-ordering Blackarachnia. Even at this stage this is the best version of her in this form we've had and by now I'm used to the beast modes being a little iffy. I do wonder if her weapon will fill in the gaps at all since we still haven't seen that and integrated weapons are a thing in this line.

Emerje

Ironhidensh wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Y’all keep acting like this is the end of the world, because the alt-mode isn’t 1000% screen accurate, but come on, that’s just being unreasonably unrealistic. The only reason Megs’ beast mode can be so good is because he’s so frikkin huge and has more to work with. Cheetor, Primal, and even Dinobot had minor sacrifices made to the beast modes. This is no different. I for one am super impressed, and if you can’t move past the fact that plastic simply can’t physically enter hammer-space and would seriously pass this toy up, than more power to you.

*receives the power*

*cackles in evil*

It's just not good enough to justify the price, if the KO (if one is ever made) comes in at 60 or less, I'll get that.

See Densh, you I’m OK with, because you actually hold to your convictions for the most part. But you’re also not being unreasonable in your actions - for you it comes down to price/perfection ratio, not because you expect actual magic to happen.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:This has to be mistransformed because look at megatron’s backpack it’s not properly folded and clipped together. Bumblebee 2.0 was also slightly unclipped from the first shots of his backpack. Finally mp10’s truck mode has always had the flaps behind his wheels incorrectly folded up I can’t remember one showcase that got it right

In every single one of the examples mentioned, did the fact that it was mistransformed in any way change anyone's opinion of the figure?

Is it even fair to call them mistransformed? I mean, they just aren't completely tabbed because their at the hand painted stage and there's thick paint on the tabs. They're intentionally not tabbed together. Knowing this the gaps don't bother me until we're at the final product.

I'll be pre-ordering Blackarachnia. Even at this stage this is the best version of her in this form we've had and by now I'm used to the beast modes being a little iffy. I do wonder if her weapon will fill in the gaps at all since we still haven't seen that and integrated weapons are a thing in this line.

Emerje

your absolutely right. after zooming in on some of the details, you can see its a hand painted grey prototype (paint is rubbed off in spots). usually these are held together with spit, polish and sticky tack. I don't think its miss-transformed anymore, but is in fact not able to hold together because its a first prototype. It will in later iterations. its pretty obvious her spider leg joint assembly thingies are meant to sit flush against her sides. it maybe same with her thighs. as for the rest of the robot kibble, ya, saw that coming, so its not that detracting for me. As for her weapon, you can see it, its forming the tail of her butt there. at least, the gun part. no telling about the "anchor" part (I love that they are calling it that)

In short, I fell victim to the negative hype train without looking closely at the images to see what was going on. will still preorder.

It's too early to judge. So I'll wait for the first video reviews before passing final judgement. But so far, so good. Yes, even the spider mode.

Immortal Starscream wrote:As for her weapon, you can see it, its forming the tail of her butt there. at least, the gun part. no telling about the "anchor" part (I love that they are calling it that)

I think I see the part you're talking about if you mean the gold piece underneath. If that's the case then the anchor, which should look like a two-sided hook, should slide in fill the large gap in the back improving the shape. Hopefully.

Emerje

I'm not a beast wars fan, so the only good I can draw from this figure being pushed close to release is the increased expectation that mp Hound will be number 47....I will definitely be picking him up....he really should have been number 45 imo, not that infernal bumble mess...

I'll just wait for TT to put out the official pictures of the figure before passing judgement on the spider mode. Figures on display being mistransformed is not exactly a new thing anymore, and this one obviously is.
Apparently we'll only have to wait until the 15th for the announcement from TT.
I do not expect the spider mode to look like perfection, given what is expected of the figure and 3/4 of the BW molds so far having some bot parts visible in beast mode.

Price point wise, I wasn’t surprised or disappointed at first. Mostly because I’ve been so taken aback by her robot mode. Which at that point was all I had seen. Add in the accessories, and it makes sense to me.

After the beast mode reveal, I’m a little more “eeeh.” Blackarachnia is a really, really tough one to do in this line. We can all usually expect there to be a trade off somewhere. A better alt mode means a bigger backpack, or some chunkier legs. It’s all par for the course. Conversely a sleeker bot means some sacrifice(s) somewhere in the alt mode. This is really something we should all have accepted by now. But the disparity between the two modes for Blackarachnia is jarring. So much so that I’m inclined to think, and hope, that she is mistransformed somewhere. The gaps in beast mode are enormous, and very off putting.

If it’s not mistransformed, and that’s how she looks, I don’t think it will be a deal breaker for me. Just a disappointing aspect of this toy that I’ll get over eventually. As many have stated they will do, I’ll keep her in bot mode. However I will be feeling like I’ll only be buying half a transformers toy. This is because a huge reason why I’m such a massive fan of BW and BW toys, is because I actually like to display half of them in beast mode. I adore beast modes.

This is speculation, but I’m sure that Takara has to seriously consider exactly how much engineering will go into a figure like this. More complex engineering means more parts and a greater cost to both them, and the customer. Perhaps after the very pricey Dinobot and Megatron they weighed their options, and opted for a more streamlined Blackarachnia. Reasoning that the buyer would be more hesitant to shell out, let’s say $175-$200, for her after however much they forked over for the last two figures. Especially since Blackarachnia is so much smaller.

Another more positive way to look at this is that Blackarachnia also doubles as a dry run for the inevitable Tarantulas. I’d hazard a guess that he’ll be a heavy retool of Blackarachnia, for all the obvious reasons. But by the time they get to him, there’s also a good chance that they’ll have been able to revisit Blackarachnia’s short comings, and come up with some alternative engineering. Albeit with an increase to Tarantulas’ cost. Because while Blackarachnia may be a fan favorite, and one of the comparatively few fembots that we have, especially for BW, there’s an argument to be made that the conniving double agent Tarantulas is a bit more popular. That might be another justification. But this is all speculation, so grain of salt.

No matter what, I fully expect that I’ll be purchasing her.

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No, the Spiders were never physically impossible, Dinobot was the only one in the series that was.

Not terrorsaur?

In the General MP thread, I wrote:Let's talk about this guy:



For the longest time, he was considered an "impossible" Transformer to reproduce with show accuracy. Largely because this was his toy:



But now that it is common knowledge he is in fact, the third tallest Predacon after Megatron and Inferno, that perceived impossibility isn't so clear cut.

In terms of accessories, he would be most likely to bear pieces from his perhaps best standalone story in "Power Surge".

This:



and this:


To these:





However, he isn't necessarily going to be an easy figure to replicate in both forms. As above he does have some unusual bulk to his Bot Mode IE big shoulders, whereas his Beast Mode...




So from an engineering standpoint, while everyone remaining within the Season one cast won't require the complex wizardry of Dinobot, Terrorsaur is still the most interesting to see realised.

Dinobot was "impossible", because only his arms and chest had any sign of his Beast Mode. Terrorsaur was thought impossible because his original figure was ridiculously tiny.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

GrangerPerry wrote:This has to be mistransformed because look at megatron’s backpack it’s not properly folded and clipped together. Bumblebee 2.0 was also slightly unclipped from the first shots of his backpack. Finally mp10’s truck mode has always had the flaps behind his wheels incorrectly folded up I can’t remember one showcase that got it right

In every single one of the examples mentioned, did the fact that it was mistransformed in any way change anyone's opinion of the figure?

Is it even fair to call them mistransformed? I mean, they just aren't completely tabbed because their at the hand painted stage and there's thick paint on the tabs. They're intentionally not tabbed together. Knowing this the gaps don't bother me until we're at the final product.

I'll be pre-ordering Blackarachnia. Even at this stage this is the best version of her in this form we've had and by now I'm used to the beast modes being a little iffy. I do wonder if her weapon will fill in the gaps at all since we still haven't seen that and integrated weapons are a thing in this line.

Emerje

That’s a good point about the paint it is clearly a painted prototype I can even see a few layers of paint like some touch ups were needed before display. But yes my opinion changed. After they released bumblebee 2.0 properly transformed I preordered 3 from amazon and guarantee every opinion on this form will change when the official photos show a better looking alt mode. Maybe mistransformed isn’t the proper term but the middle abdomen is half covered by the rear I know that’s not spider accurate but the animation model had three sections like an ant and you can see them in the photos I don’t know why they would bother adding the middle section if it’s just supposed to be covered up by the rear

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Dinobot was "impossible", because only his arms and chest had any sign of his Beast Mode. Terrorsaur was thought impossible because his original figure was ridiculously tiny.

I dont know what it is with you and these arbitrary positions you take on toys that dont even exist yet, like its this and nothing else. Very odd.
From my point of view, terrorsaur is as impossible and the height has nothing to do with it, it never did. It's his wingspan and the fact almost none of his wings aside from the tips end up in the robot mode. Whether he is a small or large toy, his wings will always be a massive piece of kibble to deal with.

Hence why I am really curious to see what they do with .

It wasn't Terrorsaur's height that was the problem, with the original toy. The size of figure simply limited the level of the transformation.

william-james88 wrote: It's his wingspan and the fact almost none of his wings aside from the tips end up in the robot mode. Whether he is a small or large toy, his wings will always be a massive piece of kibble to deal with.

Hence why I am really curious to see what they do with .

Oh, wings? Those are an easy fix. Example, Gigatron:

Wings extended:


Wings retracted:

Note: the upside down wings here are applicable to Terrorsaur's show model "wings".



Gigatron was made in 2001. 18 years later, let alone within the Masterpiece Line, I'm sure collapsing the wings neatly around Terrorsaur's arm should be just as easy. I don't think they would need to be anywhere near as creative as MP-36.

Couldn't they find a solution where the wings become his arms instead?

ZeroWolf wrote:Couldn't they find a solution where the wings become his arms instead?

Yeah, the wings could easily collapse into becoming his arms. I think the main issue with Terrorsaur's Bot mode (noting that a figure of the Show Model would probably be a lot thinner than expected) is those shoulders. They are the biggest "bot part" of his design. Although, perhaps they too could be folded out/reversed into the Beast Mode chest...

My guess with terrorsaur is that his shoulders/biceps end up in his chest with the forearms folding forward around the fists to fill out his wing frame. How or if, this folded wings slide up onto his biceps in robot mode, who knows. Alternatively they could cheat and large portions of the wings just come off.

I dont get the gigatron comparison. Wings make up practically 80% of Terorsaur's beast mode but end up only being less than 5% of the robot mode.