Movie Inferno, Mudflap & Universe Blaster on Ebay

Must... have... Classics Erector...

Sledge wrote:Must... have... Classics Erector...

Must... Laugh... At... That...

Realy it would have been an awesome figure with a nice transformation but the just slapped the cabs of the alt on the arms.

It makes the figure very awkward, and the bright yellow

But hey, to each their own.

I'm just hoping Universe Blaster is a record breaking shelf warmer that will send a message to Hasblow.

Yeah, I can see the mold isn't that great in robot mode, but it's a homage to my favorite Micro Master. Gotta have it, and some Reprolabels Autobot stickers so he's not a dirty 'Con.

Can't wait till Blaster hits the shelves, since I've never owned a Cybertron Soundwave before.

thedistinctroom wrote:Can't wait till Blaster hits the shelves, since I've never owned a Cybertron Soundwave before.

Why the bold?

Liege Evilmus wrote:I'm just hoping Universe Blaster is a record breaking shelf warmer that will send a message to Hasblow.

Yes, and yes.

Really wish they'd repainted Cybertron Wingsaber into Blaster instead of Ctbertron Soundwave.

I'm happy with Inferno and Blaster. I'd wish they had made Mudflap an Autobot, and called him Hauler or Erector.

I can stomach the Blaster colors. I've always wanted a Cybertron Soundwave

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:I'm just hoping Universe Blaster is a record breaking shelf warmer that will send a message to Hasblow.

Yes, and yes.

Not going to happen.

I specialize in collecting these kind of figures. These will not sit on the shelves due to low production numbers and rabid fan interest.

In fact, these will be the kind of figures who fetch a 100% mark-up in 1-2 years, easily.

Sledge wrote:Yeah, I can see the mold isn't that great in robot mode, but it's a homage to my favorite Micro Master. Gotta have it, and some Reprolabels Autobot stickers so he's not a dirty 'Con.

Well in that case...

Your right, MicroMaster Erector is a pretty fun little battle station.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:I'm just hoping Universe Blaster is a record breaking shelf warmer that will send a message to Hasblow.

Yes, and yes.

Not going to happen.

I specialize in collecting these kind of figures. These will not sit on the shelves due to low production numbers and rabid fan interest.

In fact, these will be the kind of figures who fetch a 100% mark-up in 1-2 years, easily.

Reli? U sure?, cause i think blaster is ugly and shouldnt even be in this line

and how do u no the production numbers? (jus wonderin thats all:P)

Liege Evilmus wrote:Well in that case...

Your right, MicroMaster Erector is a pretty fun little battle station.

I only bought him because I occasionally think I'll get round to doing a webcomic one day and Erector would be good for a few cheap gags. Imagine my surprise to find he was actually a good little toy, cursed with an embarrassing name.

Electron wrote:Reli? U sure?, cause i think blaster is ugly and shouldnt even be in this line

and how do u no the production numbers? (jus wonderin thats all:P)

Why yes I am sure of that my '1337 speak' 2k7 friend!

While you might thing Blaster is ugly, rewind to two years ago and everyone and their bloody mother was clamoring for this repaint. Having seen the toy in person, I assure you that it is quite nice.

As to the line that the toy is in...Universe is technically a catch all for various repaints with Classics toys crammed in for effect.

Lastly, repaints are always produced in lower numbers than standard or 'show' releases. Movie Inferno and Mudflap which are store exclusives have several reasons for low numbers, first and foremost...they're only in one store. A full production run would overflow a single store for a year or more. I don't know for sure, but the likely production numbers for these toys are likely in the 10-15 thousand range in keeping with similar releases.

BotCon exclusives: @ 1,100 units
Japanese store exclusives: @ 6-12,000 units
True Japanese Limited Editions: @ 500-1,200 units
Limited US releases: @ 10-12,000 units
Standard US release: 40,000 and up units (This number could be genuinely wrong though...)

Those are estimates based on actual BotCon numbers, actual Japanese release numbers, and the Energon Ultra Magnus, Treadbolt, and Rapid Run numbers for US exclusives. Any of it could be wrong, but it all seems a reasonable estimate.

Liege Evilmus wrote:

thedistinctroom wrote:Can't wait till Blaster hits the shelves, since I've never owned a Cybertron Soundwave before.

Why the bold?

Bold is for emphasis.

olokin wrote:I can stomach the Blaster colors. I've always wanted a Cybertron Soundwave

I want Cybertron Soundwave too, and I don't think the Blaster re-paint looks all that bad. I'm a sucker for a nice toy I can "cash&carry" so I will definately pick that one up.

Colors-wise, I do wish that the Mudflap wasn't quite so yellow, but I love the character enough that I don't care, and he'll fill the Demolisher gap nicely.

Not sure about movie Inferno though. I'll probably pick him up.

Counterpunch wrote:

Electron wrote:Reli? U sure?, cause i think blaster is ugly and shouldnt even be in this line

and how do u no the production numbers? (jus wonderin thats all:P)

Why yes I am sure of that my '1337 speak' 2k7 friend!

While you might thing Blaster is ugly, rewind to two years ago and everyone and their bloody mother was clamoring for this repaint. Having seen the toy in person, I assure you that it is quite nice.

As to the line that the toy is in...Universe is technically a catch all for various repaints with Classics toys crammed in for effect.

Lastly, repaints are always produced in lower numbers than standard or 'show' releases. Movie Inferno and Mudflap which are store exclusives have several reasons for low numbers, first and foremost...they're only in one store. A full production run would overflow a single store for a year or more. I don't know for sure, but the likely production numbers for these toys are likely in the 10-15 thousand range in keeping with similar releases.

BotCon exclusives: @ 1,100 units
Japanese store exclusives: @ 6-12,000 units
True Japanese Limited Editions: @ 500-1,200 units
Limited US releases: @ 10-12,000 units
Standard US release: 40,000 and up units (This number could be genuinely wrong though...)

Those are estimates based on actual BotCon numbers, actual Japanese release numbers, and the Energon Ultra Magnus, Treadbolt, and Rapid Run numbers for US exclusives. Any of it could be wrong, but it all seems a reasonable estimate.

I don't doubt your knowledge of production runs, even your estimates...
But I'm curious as to how many people truly were saying they wanted a repaint of Soundwave as Blaster. I mean, you're talkin' people here on the forums, right?
Even if that was 300 people, in the grand scheme...
And lately it seems most have a dislike for it.
Wouldn't you think that at that time all of the hype was because people wanted a Blaster, and a repaint was probably the most realistic option?

And damn, in alt mode he has such a strong primary color scheme, which to me shouts pajamas for a 2 yr. old bought by grandma.
Or as Bumblethumper said, "clown colors".

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't doubt your knowledge of production runs, even your estimates...
But I'm curious as to how many people truly were saying they wanted a repaint of Soundwave as Blaster. I mean, you're talkin' people here on the forums, right?
Even if that was 300 people, in the grand scheme...
And lately it seems most have a dislike for it.
Wouldn't you think that at that time all of the hype was because people wanted a Blaster, and a repaint was probably the most realistic option?

And damn, in alt mode he has such a strong primary color scheme, which to me shouts pajamas for a 2 yr. old bought by grandma.
Or as Bumblethumper said, "clown colors".

Wait Wait Wait...

Let's review:


Grey legs with black spot (speaker) on them?
-Check
Red torso with yellow storage compartment?
-Check...er, mostly. Depends what angle you look from...
Red Arms?
-Check
Red Head?
-Check

So the character/toy is mostly Red, Black, Grey, and some yellow...

That amounts to the most frightening clown colors ever.

The "Clown Colors" argument is garbage...

Face it, if the head were resculpted even slightly, this guy would be dead on.

My all knowing power (my guessing) told me this would happen.

I do remember the countless hoards crying out to the Heavens (HASBRO for TF Fans) proclaiming "Give us BLASTER!!!" "Make him in all his glory out of Cybertron Soundwave, it'd be perfect!!!!"

Then when Hasbro says, "Okay", you then hear. "Why???" "Why all the repaints?"

This is the EXACT reason certain figures became certain exclusives.

Crap... Double post.. woops

I think he looks great.. and I think if he had a re-sculpted head.. no one would be bitching.. but he doesn't have a re-sculpted head.. so that means he's a repaint.. which apparently are the new way that hasbro is sticking it to the fans. at least that's how it seems from most posts lately

I have no problem with repaints. And I think he's a great looking figure.

I asked the seller for confirmation, and he says the instructions call the Mini-Con partner for Inferno "Longarm".

Counterpunch wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't doubt your knowledge of production runs, even your estimates...
But I'm curious as to how many people truly were saying they wanted a repaint of Soundwave as Blaster. I mean, you're talkin' people here on the forums, right?
Even if that was 300 people, in the grand scheme...
And lately it seems most have a dislike for it.
Wouldn't you think that at that time all of the hype was because people wanted a Blaster, and a repaint was probably the most realistic option?

And damn, in alt mode he has such a strong primary color scheme, which to me shouts pajamas for a 2 yr. old bought by grandma.
Or as Bumblethumper said, "clown colors".

Wait Wait Wait...

Let's review:


Grey legs with black spot (speaker) on them?
-Check
Red torso with yellow storage compartment?
-Check...er, mostly. Depends what angle you look from...
Red Arms?
-Check
Red Head?
-Check

So the character/toy is mostly Red, Black, Grey, and some yellow...

That amounts to the most frightening clown colors ever.

The "Clown Colors" argument is garbage...

Face it, if the head were resculpted even slightly, this guy would be dead on.

While you're literal analysis is right, there's still a strong primary color scheme.
That yellow chest, while one part, is bright enough and actually is as visually strong as all of the gray, and probably the black too. Not to mention it's location is a prime focal point.
Yeah, there are a lot of black and gray parts, but they don't stand out any more than the reds or yellow.
For whatever reason, you didn't mention the blue parts.
Even though those are areas on the weapons, if you ever have them on the figure,
you can't deny seeing those 3 primary colors.

"Dead on"? For a winged Blaster, maybe. Like you said, even the torso isn't all red.
I know, I know, it's a repaint.
But that's part of the point... This character deserved a new mold.

Sowndwave76 wrote:While you're literal analysis is right, there's still a strong primary color scheme.
That yellow chest, while one part, is bright enough and actually is as visually strong as all of the gray, and probably the black too. Not to mention it's location is a prime focal point.
Yeah, there are a lot of black and gray parts, but they don't stand out any more than the reds or yellow.

Your point being?..

Sowndwave76 wrote:For whatever reason, you didn't mention the blue parts. Even though those are areas on the weapons, if you ever have them on the figure, you can't deny seeing those 3 primary colors.

Exactly,.. those are the weapons, not the figure. The fact that the weapons have blue in them is a minor issue not even worth debating. Hell, via the stickers, another minor issue, the original Blaster had blue on him.

Sowndwave76 wrote:"Dead on"? For a winged Blaster, maybe. Like you said, even the torso isn't all red.
I know, I know, it's a repaint.
But that's part of the point... This character deserved a new mold.

It is a repaint. It IS a winged Blaster. Whatever name happens to fall on the box is really irrelevant. Classics, Universe, whatever. The point is that this was one of those figures people were clamoring for when it was initially released as Soundwave. Now, whether or not you were collecting at that point and remember this fact would probably benefit the discussion.

The main two issues regarding the toy remain true, whether you like the design or not; people wanted this repaint and it will sell well.

I will buy it, but I admit, it would have been nicer if they did a bit less black in the color scheme and a new head mold and a new partner, but I realize it would have raised the cost of the toy (see picture below for a custom). Still, not a bad toy. I'd also by the Legends size repaint.

My objection isn't the colours. It's the choice of an alt mode inconsistant with a pre-established colour scheme.

It's a Stealth Bomber. STEALTH!.

The point is it looks like crap.

Why is BLACK any more stealthy than red in a blue sky? I'd assume CYBERTRONIAN stealth tech would render it invisible, no matter the color. right?

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Sledge wrote:Must... have... Classics Erector...

Must... Laugh... At... That...

Realy it would have been an awesome figure with a nice transformation but the just slapped the cabs of the alt on the arms.

It makes the figure very awkward, and the bright yellow

But hey, to each their own.

I'm just hoping Universe Blaster is a record breaking shelf warmer that will send a message to Hasblow.

Or, he might just be unbelievably hard to find after a surge in popularity with the new line.

Then some guy at Hasbro would see it and say “Hi guys! Lets just quit making new toys and make repaints instead!”

Guy two: “Awesome idea! You get a raise! Now lets go torture some fans!”

Scaleface wrote:I'd assume CYBERTRONIAN stealth tech would render it invisible, no matter the color. right?

If you're going to assume that, first, it paves the way for all manner of goofy alt modes, and second, then what's even the point of transformation as a disguise?

Who says it's a disguise? He used his "boom box" disguise once (at Club Con in the Marvel comics), so now that the Decepticons know it, it really wouldn't work again, so his G1 form is sorta useless. I'm guessing a jet flies faster and is more useful in a fight or for high altitude recon and communications than a crappy radio.

Scaleface wrote:Why is BLACK any more stealthy than red in a blue sky? I'd assume CYBERTRONIAN stealth tech would render it invisible, no matter the color. right?

Word up.

Nekoman wrote:Or, he might just be unbelievably hard to find after a surge in popularity with the new line.

Then some guy at Hasbro would see it and say “Hi guys! Lets just quit making new toys and make repaints instead!”

Guy two: “Awesome idea! You get a raise! Now lets go kick some puppies.”

Fixed.

Whether I was collecting at the time of Cybertron Soundwave doesn't really matter.
Again, I'll ask (in making a realistic estimate), how many people were clamoring for a Blaster repaint??
AND, if this was before the actual Classics were released, then
I don't care if this "clamoring" is the result of a survey of 500 people including a good percentage of "regular consumers/non-self-proclaimed fans".
Not to mention, most of what I've read from the get-go in favor of this figure is not highly enthusiastic.
Where's all the love for this guy now?
Surely if this was such a great decision, that huge population of those in favor would be rising up in some sort of praise or celebration.

CP, I'll just ask you straight-up.
Do you feel this is the best option for a "new" Blaster figure?
Even with his original alt mode being very outdated,
this is the limit of potential of a figure for this character?

I have to say that this paint job for Blaster is not that bad. The few small problems I have with the Universe toys more center the colors of Powerglide and Dropshot not even being close to their G1 counterparts.

Scaleface wrote: The few small problems I have with the Universe toys more center the colors of Powerglide and Dropshot not even being close to their G1 counterparts.

... which raises an interesting question. Hasbro claimed the reason for altering Powerglide's colour-scheme was because they're committed to more realistic alt modes. Anyone remember them saying something like that?

And yet ...Blaster.

Why do I get the sneaking suspicion they're just going with the new Powerglide colours for now, so they can repaint it somewhere down the line and sell it twice to over-eager collectors.

Well, considering that the original Cybertron Soundwave mold was blue and they added BLACK to it, it's closer to the correct colors for a F-117 Nighthawk than before.



I think Takara will probably released a Henkai Powerglide in proper G1 colors.

Let's not forget the Legends redeco of the mold. Although no name was announced, I'm guessing Air Raid, as it mixes his G1 and G2 color schemes. He's even closer to "real life" colors than Blaster.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don't doubt your knowledge of production runs, even your estimates...
But I'm curious as to how many people truly were saying they wanted a repaint of Soundwave as Blaster. I mean, you're talkin' people here on the forums, right?
Even if that was 300 people, in the grand scheme...
And lately it seems most have a dislike for it.
Wouldn't you think that at that time all of the hype was because people wanted a Blaster, and a repaint was probably the most realistic option?

And damn, in alt mode he has such a strong primary color scheme, which to me shouts pajamas for a 2 yr. old bought by grandma.
Or as Bumblethumper said, "clown colors".

Wait Wait Wait...

Let's review:


Grey legs with black spot (speaker) on them?
-Check
Red torso with yellow storage compartment?
-Check...er, mostly. Depends what angle you look from...
Red Arms?
-Check
Red Head?
-Check

So the character/toy is mostly Red, Black, Grey, and some yellow...

That amounts to the most frightening clown colors ever.

The "Clown Colors" argument is garbage...

Face it, if the head were resculpted even slightly, this guy would be dead on.

I'm just gonna say, as I've said, in the future I want better. However, I know that we arent going to get it.

This Blaster is the start of any and every SoundWave figure getting a coat of paint and becoming Blaster.

As long as there are idiots out there who will prove CounterPunches basic observations correct, Hasbro will have no need to feel like they ever have to do better.

Unhappy as I am, I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing it.

Hell, they can package a dog turd in the same colors, call it Blaster, and note that this new automorph feature will cause it to turn white in 3 days if left in the sun...

Now folks with common sence will avoid that, but there's still to many people that will take whatever they're given with a thankful smile who'll post "the Fly minions that swarm it are a great effect"



I want this figure to fail, cause I want better in the future, but if experience has shown anything, it's that if it has the name and colors, enough easily pleased people will buy it, and Hasbro will get lazier on a bed of money thinking of who else can be renamed what as apose to what can they do next.

I know you won't, but take a stand, avoid this figure, and send them a message that you want and deserve better.

If you don't it's only gonna get worse.

Scaleface wrote:Why is BLACK any more stealthy than red in a blue sky?

Stealth planes are as visible as any other to the naked eye, they are painted matte black because that paint has some radar obsorbing qualities and because their MO is night operations.

It is possible that if this figure sells well they will reintroduce Blaster as his own mold. Dunno how likely it is but it would be good.

Hey, I'm actually hoping Animated Soundwave gets a retool as Blaster. All you'd need was a new head and you'd be set.

Liege Evilmus wrote:
I'm just gonna say, as I've said, in the future I want better. However, I know that we arent going to get it.

This Blaster is the start of any and every SoundWave figure getting a coat of paint and becoming Blaster.

As long as there are idiots out there who will prove CounterPunches basic observations correct, Hasbro will have no need to feel like they ever have to do better.

Unhappy as I am, I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing it.

Hell, they can package a dog turd in the same colors, call it Blaster, and note that this new automorph feature will cause it to turn white in 3 days if left in the sun...

Now folks with common sence will avoid that, but there's still to many people that will take whatever they're given with a thankful smile who'll post "the Fly minions that swarm it are a great effect"



I want this figure to fail, cause I want better in the future, but if experience has shown anything, it's that if it has the name and colors, enough easily pleased people will buy it, and Hasbro will get lazier on a bed of money thinking of who else can be renamed what as apose to what can they do next.

I know you won't, but take a stand, avoid this figure, and send them a message that you want and deserve better.

If you don't it's only gonna get worse.

Wow.. feeling the love here. So I'm an idiot because I like the mold and the figure and will most likely buy it. Geez, dude, get over yourself. I know you don't like the figure, but that doesn't mean that people that do are idiots. I hate rap music with a bloody passion, but I don't think the people that listen to it are somehow beneath me.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:
I'm just gonna say, as I've said, in the future I want better. However, I know that we arent going to get it.

This Blaster is the start of any and every SoundWave figure getting a coat of paint and becoming Blaster.

As long as there are idiots out there who will prove CounterPunches basic observations correct, Hasbro will have no need to feel like they ever have to do better.

Unhappy as I am, I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing it.

Hell, they can package a dog turd in the same colors, call it Blaster, and note that this new automorph feature will cause it to turn white in 3 days if left in the sun...

Now folks with common sence will avoid that, but there's still to many people that will take whatever they're given with a thankful smile who'll post "the Fly minions that swarm it are a great effect"



I want this figure to fail, cause I want better in the future, but if experience has shown anything, it's that if it has the name and colors, enough easily pleased people will buy it, and Hasbro will get lazier on a bed of money thinking of who else can be renamed what as apose to what can they do next.

I know you won't, but take a stand, avoid this figure, and send them a message that you want and deserve better.

If you don't it's only gonna get worse.

Wow.. feeling the love here. So I'm an idiot because I like the mold and the figure and will most likely buy it. Geez, dude, get over yourself. I know you don't like the figure, but that doesn't mean that people that do are idiots. I hate rap music with a bloody passion, but I don't think the people that listen to it are somehow beneath me.

Hey, if you like something you like something, whatever.

But that still won't change the fact that alot of people are going to eat it, just cause it's put in front of them.

I'm just saying, ask for better, we deserve it!

As for rap music, well I give intelectuals this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG_rEqCivn4

ahhh... blaster is okay i guess. i would likely buy it, but in my heart i do wish that they would release a boom box version of him... or at least a version of him with thicker legs. huge upper body with such thin legs makes it look like he spends all day sitting down lifting weights, leading to under strength legs and oversized arms.

i see where all of you are coming from, just calm down we're all just passionate fans after all

il prolly get a battered G1 blaster from ebay and try to kitbash the head on to the new blaster

The Blaster repaint is growing on me. Still want Erector.

Lord T wrote:It is possible that if this figure sells well they will reintroduce Blaster as his own mold. Dunno how likely it is but it would be good.

Even if it sells well, I wouldn't count on a new Blaster afterwards.
In fact, if it sells well, I could see Hasbro thinking,
"See, that's all we needed to do for a Blaster figure... Which repaints do we release next?".

I think we do deserve better...
And it's not exactly that Hasbro "owes" us. I think that's different.

It's interesting to me that it still doesn't seem like anyone is really that excited about this figure, after "so many" were wanting it.
So many "I'll most likely buy it" reactions, rather than responses like, "Must have", "I'll get two of them", "Looks like it'll be my favorite Universe Classics figure".

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Lord T wrote:It is possible that if this figure sells well they will reintroduce Blaster as his own mold. Dunno how likely it is but it would be good.

Even if it sells well, I wouldn't count on a new Blaster afterwards.
In fact, if it sells well, I could see Hasbro thinking,
"See, that's all we needed to do for a Blaster figure... Which repaints do we release next?".

I think we do deserve better...
And it's not exactly that Hasbro "owes" us. I think that's different.

It's interesting to me that it still doesn't seem like anyone is really that excited about this figure, after "so many" were wanting it.
So many "I'll most likely buy it" reactions, rather than responses like, "Must have", "I'll get two of them", "Looks like it'll be my favorite Universe Classics figure".

Amen, and exactly what I've been getting at!

But who knows, maybe an orange Animated Scion XB, will provide a change when they do this again.

That's why I'm saying, don't buy it!

Granted Hasbro has people monitoring the net, but in the end, the dollar is our biggest voice. I also know the constant argument is that these items are produced for kids, but what friggin kid would even care about a figure from 25 years ago!?!

This is prof that the collector dollar is a factor in all this, and I'd like to see it push for better, as apose to a new trend in already tired repaints.

Hey, what's the release date on Erector?

It's soon, right?

Liege Evilmus wrote:Granted Hasbro has people monitoring the net, but in the end, the dollar is our biggest voice. I also know the constant argument is that these items are produced for kids, but what friggin kid would even care about a figure from 25 years ago!?!

Well, really and unfortunately, the fact that kids wouldn't recognize the original Blaster is what may help this thing sell.
Kids don't know whether this is a good representation of that character or not.

Part of what I think goes against this figure is that I don't find the alt. mode as even remotely good.
Now, I don't have this mold, but really, unless it has some really cool features that aren't visible,
I get the idea of it from photos.
It just doesn't look very impressive to me.

NO way is this worth $20+ of my money.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Now, I don't have this mold, but really, unless it has some really cool features that aren't visible,
I get the idea of it from photos.
It just doesn't look very impressive to me.

NO way is this worth $20+ of my money.

I think the Black & Gold SoundBlaster version is the only one worth buying, this molds bot mode is stiff and unbalanced.

While I agree with what Liege is saying, I can't help but think that boycotting Universe Blaster will have little to no effect. We have so much back and forth in the fandom about this kind of thing: if toys are good and sell out it's a shame becuase they're for the kids, if toys stink we holler because they are denying us as adult collectors. That being said, I still agree with Liege, that Blaster is about to get the Ultra Magnus treatment for the forseeable future, and this is a junky mold in my opinion to begin with. Rest assured Liege, I'm not going to buy one.