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Brokebot wrote:Like I've said before, Transformers movies are now relegated to the same status as Star Wars, Star Trek, Disney, and the MCU - I just don't care anymore. They're just not worth getting excited about, either for or against.

Fortress_Maximus wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Like I've said before, Transformers movies are now relegated to the same status as Star Wars, Star Trek, Disney, and the MCU - I just don't care anymore. They're just not worth getting excited about, either for or against.

I agree. Watching purely for the mindless entertainment not the plot as it seems there is no continuity or coherency.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, it really says something when I watched the trailer and was unable to contain excitement, excitement I shared with some friends who were also stoked, and then I come here and just catching up on 8 pages of threads shows 80%+ negativity.

First-Aid wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, it really says something when I watched the trailer and was unable to contain excitement, excitement I shared with some friends who were also stoked, and then I come here and just catching up on 8 pages of threads shows 80%+ negativity.

So my wife was gone and I got bored. So I went back and looked at the actual ratio of positive vs negative posts. It's actually just a tad under 93% negative. The tears and gnashing of teeth really make me ashamed. It's sad when I have to go to Facebook to see positive feedback. So Why is that? I suspect it's because this trailer tickles the fancy of the general populace pretty darn well and may go a long way in helping people forget The Last Knight (even though it still grossed nearly two thirds of a billion dollars). The only people unhappy seem to be the whiners on here.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, it really says something when I watched the trailer and was unable to contain excitement, excitement I shared with some friends who were also stoked, and then I come here and just catching up on 8 pages of threads shows 80%+ negativity.

So my wife was gone and I got bored. So I went back and looked at the actual ratio of positive vs negative posts. It's actually just a tad under 93% negative. The tears and gnashing of teeth really make me ashamed. It's sad when I have to go to Facebook to see positive feedback. So Why is that? I suspect it's because this trailer tickles the fancy of the general populace pretty darn well and may go a long way in helping people forget The Last Knight (even though it still grossed nearly two thirds of a billion dollars). The only people unhappy seem to be the whiners on here.

I'm gonna buck a couple trends just in response to your comment:

-I am a movie-verse TF fan first and foremost, and I love this
-I unironically like TLK and what it was doing and setup, and would like to see that story concluded officially
-Bayverse Prime is my Optimus Prime.
-I avoid Facebook mostly because it is ridiculously negative (I am opposite of Cyber Bishop, I enjoy twitter and the fandom there and generally do not like Facebook fandom)

that said, you counting 93% negative truly is sad.

But I love this trailer and I love what the movie looks like i will do. so if I have to be that ray of positive, so be it.

I am excited dammit!!!!

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Visually looks good but the terrible music is a genuinely horrid. Don't understand why the producers and director feel the incredible need to interject music that adds nothing to the film.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Visually looks good but the terrible music is a genuinely horrid. Don't understand why the producers and director feel the incredible need to interject music that adds nothing to the film.

The director himself said this movie will be for minorities and it will be hip hop themed. Obviously that was the focus, not an actual good Transformers story.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Visually looks good but the terrible music is a genuinely horrid. Don't understand why the producers and director feel the incredible need to interject music that adds nothing to the film.

The director himself said this movie will be for minorities and it will be hip hop themed. Obviously that was the focus, not an actual good Transformers story.

I think you are putting way too thought into those words. Especially since the music/trailer is really cool and it is looking like the movie will have a lot to offer.

First-Aid wrote:Am I the only one getting Kicker vibes from that exo-suit?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Am I the only one getting Kicker vibes from that exo-suit?

Based on my Twitter feed from yesterday afternoon, no you are not the only one.

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Am I the only one getting Kicker vibes from that exo-suit?

Based on my Twitter feed from yesterday afternoon, no you are not the only one.

Same. My gut says intentional, it would be nice for Energon to get a nod for once.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Visually looks good but the terrible music is a genuinely horrid. Don't understand why the producers and director feel the incredible need to interject music that adds nothing to the film.

The director himself said this movie will be for minorities and it will be hip hop themed. Obviously that was the focus, not an actual good Transformers story.

I think you are putting way too thought into those words. Especially since the music/trailer is really cool and it is looking like the movie will have a lot to offer.

I agree about it having a lot to offer, visually at least. It just irks me that 1 of the creators himself dismissed the source material right away in favor of social justice commentary. But I won't lie, it looks good. But so did all the others, and they were hit and miss, more miss on the story side.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Visually looks good but the terrible music is a genuinely horrid. Don't understand why the producers and director feel the incredible need to interject music that adds nothing to the film.

The director himself said this movie will be for minorities and it will be hip hop themed. Obviously that was the focus, not an actual good Transformers story.

I think you are putting way too thought into those words. Especially since the music/trailer is really cool and it is looking like the movie will have a lot to offer.

I agree about it having a lot to offer, visually at least. It just irks me that 1 of the creators himself dismissed the source material right away in favor of social justice commentary. But I won't lie, it looks good. But so did all the others, and they were hit and miss, more miss on the story side.

That was just the director appeasing his ESG overlords and to appeal to that mythical "modern audience" that only exist on Twitter.

Based on the movies track records, I'm sure (or hope) that to find any "message", one must really look for it.

I consider the Transformers movies like McDonald's. It's not that good, but it's still satisfying to eat. Bee's was especially delicious so my expectations are high-ish for ROTB.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I don't know what that means.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I don't know what that means.

You don't know what is ESG?

The TlDr is it's an organisation that lend BILLIONS of dollars everywhere, all over the world, but at the condition that your company is "active socially" and "send the right message."

Oh and as for the Bayverse movie "message", it's easy: BUY STUFF!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:In terms of characters we have yet to hear their voices, we have Wheeljack, Arcee, Cheetor, Stratosphere, Rhinox, Battletrap, Nightbird, and Transit.

First-Aid wrote:So my wife was gone and I got bored. So I went back and looked at the actual ratio of positive vs negative posts. It's actually just a tad under 93% negative. The tears and gnashing of teeth really make me ashamed. It's sad when I have to go to Facebook to see positive feedback. So Why is that? I suspect it's because this trailer tickles the fancy of the general populace pretty darn well and may go a long way in helping people forget The Last Knight (even though it still grossed nearly two thirds of a billion dollars). The only people unhappy seem to be the whiners on here.

Brokebot wrote:

First-Aid wrote:So my wife was gone and I got bored. So I went back and looked at the actual ratio of positive vs negative posts. It's actually just a tad under 93% negative. The tears and gnashing of teeth really make me ashamed. It's sad when I have to go to Facebook to see positive feedback. So Why is that? I suspect it's because this trailer tickles the fancy of the general populace pretty darn well and may go a long way in helping people forget The Last Knight (even though it still grossed nearly two thirds of a billion dollars). The only people unhappy seem to be the whiners on here.

I trust Facebook opinions as seriously as I take the twits of Twitter. Who knows how many of those accounts are actual people with an actual opinion as opposed to bots and paid shills.

I honestly hope the movie is every bit as awesome as you think it'll be. Even more so. But I've pretty much moved on from Bayverse explosion porn. I need more substance than empty flash, and I didn't see anything that told me that this wasn't just another **** show.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Bayverse films have messages?

Sabrblade wrote:
AOE seemed, at times, like it might have wanted to have a message of some kind, but it remained indecisive on what was trying to say, fumbling around between stuff about family and stuff about the dangers of innovation without caution or limits.

DOTM and TLK just didn't bother.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Bayverse films have messages?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Bayverse films have messages?

I thought it was Bay's creepy fixation with the US military in every single film

ZeroWolf wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Bayverse films have messages?

I thought it was Bay's creepy fixation with the US military in every single film

AoE didn't really have that

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Like how an ant would get involved if two gorillas fight near their anthill, which happened to have a gorilla skull nearby?

As a Toho fan, humans are there to marvel and/or run in terror at the sight of the giant threat. That's the most believable outcome.

The little humans being able to down a Decepticon with utterly inferior technology was the most ridiculous part of Bayformers. Which is saying alot.

ZeroWolf wrote:plus never underestimate how innovative we humans can get at killing things

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:plus never underestimate how innovative we humans can get at killing things

2000's Mechagodzilla variant not withstanding. The issue stems from the base misconception that Bayformers operates under. They are not human cars that shift into robots. They are robots that wear car cosplay. The Transformers are sentient alien technology. Even down to what they are made of. Firing metal projectiles (of any size) should ping off them, akin to Superman. Bay certainly gets his jollies watching US troops firing off big guns. But in the context of Transformers lore. It would be like throwing a spear at a tank or shooting an arrow at a fighter jet.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Beast Wars: no humans - Proof they were not needed at all. Transformers could only kill each other.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:My stance has always been the same song.

'86 Movie: 2 humans - No negative impact to the story in any way. They killed zero Transformers.
Beast Wars: no humans - Proof they were not needed at all. Transformers could only kill each other

In summary: The best of Transformers = less human interactions, the better.

Triggerdick Megatron wrote:Just as I thought, Unicron will not be planet-sized. I can't see how Earth could turn into a huge robot. Coz in The Last Knight they said Unicron is their ancient name for Earth. I think Unicron will be average size hiding underground.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Someone stole Arcee from a RoTB cardboard display. lol.

ZeroWolf wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Bayverse films have messages?

I thought it was Bay's creepy fixation with the US military in every single film

AoE didn't really have that Plus I liked the idea of NEST and that humanity would get involved more with the war on their doorstep. Especially if they had a specimen on ice to study for so long.

william-james88 wrote:AOE was instead a love letter to China and their efficient military. Don't know how well that's gonna age.

ZeroWolf wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:plus never underestimate how innovative we humans can get at killing things

2000's Mechagodzilla variant not withstanding. The issue stems from the base misconception that Bayformers operates under. They are not human cars that shift into robots. They are robots that wear car cosplay. The Transformers are sentient alien technology. Even down to what they are made of. Firing metal projectiles (of any size) should ping off them, akin to Superman. Bay certainly gets his jollies watching US troops firing off big guns. But in the context of Transformers lore. It would be like throwing a spear at a tank or shooting an arrow at a fighter jet.

Considering Transformers change what they're made up of with every iteration, I have no problem with the live action movies version and allowing humans a chance at doing something. This will boil down to a my view your view thing though, so we may end up having to agree to disagree.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Someone stole Arcee from a RoTB cardboard display. lol.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I don't know what that means.

You don't know what is ESG?

The TlDr is it's an organisation that lend BILLIONS of dollars everywhere, all over the world, but at the condition that your company is "active socially" and "send the right message."

Ok, got it.

Oh and as for the Bayverse movie "message", it's easy: BUY STUFF!

Ah yes. Much like the rest of Transformers media

First-Aid wrote:In the end, what it boils down to is "Ye cannae change the laws of physics!" Matter, no matter how dense, can be damaged by other matter if the impact, force, speed, energy, and heat are adequate. This applies to alien metals, too.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

First-Aid wrote:In the end, what it boils down to is "Ye cannae change the laws of physics!" Matter, no matter how dense, can be damaged by other matter if the impact, force, speed, energy, and heat are adequate. This applies to alien metals, too.