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Posted by phantom1592 on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:41am CDT
I love my G1, but never cared for Ironhide... so he'll probably be in my 'eventually' category. Much like Wheeljack
Posted by -Kanrabat- on September 11th, 2015 @ 4:08am CDT
Posted by jogunwarrior on September 11th, 2015 @ 7:51am CDT
Posted by mblase75 on September 11th, 2015 @ 8:32am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 11th, 2015 @ 8:58am CDT
Someone, somewhere said "It has to fit in the trailer." This leaves us with comparatively big robot getting shoehorned in to a small van design. That's likely where some of the very obvious design compromises come from, including the way too skinny head.
There are some nice things to say about this release. The actual alt mode looks great, the sled and accessories are an awesome touch, and I'd bet that the actual practice of transforming it between modes is going to be pretty fun. Just can't get over how genuinely bad the robot mode looks, despite it being close to not looking bad at all.
Posted by hinomars19 on September 11th, 2015 @ 10:24am CDT
ScottyP wrote:I think I figured out what the problem is here that I'm having with this figure that I really, really want to like, but keep feeling more and more let down by.
Someone, somewhere said "It has to fit in the trailer." This leaves us with comparatively big robot getting shoehorned in to a small van design. That's likely where some of the very obvious design compromises come from, including the way too skinny head.
There are some nice things to say about this release. The actual alt mode looks great, the sled and accessories are an awesome touch, and I'd bet that the actual practice of transforming it between modes is going to be pretty fun. Just can't get over how genuinely bad the robot mode looks, despite it being close to not looking bad at all.
I was honestly surprised at seeing the van was small enough to fit in the trailer.
Posted by Cyberpath on September 11th, 2015 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by Cobotron on September 11th, 2015 @ 12:21pm CDT
What is that in his chest? Terrain? A caterpillar? Dragon tattoo?
Posted by Seibertron on September 11th, 2015 @ 12:33pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Seibertron wrote:The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.
Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.
It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.
If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.
And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!
Posted by megatronus on September 11th, 2015 @ 1:02pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 11th, 2015 @ 1:18pm CDT
Nose is too long, overall head too thin, too much of a chin, eyes aren't nearly big enough, could keep going but yes, indeed the headsculpt is just not good.Seibertron wrote:And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!
Cobotron wrote:
What is that in his chest? Terrain? A caterpillar? Dragon tattoo?
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 11th, 2015 @ 1:19pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Seibertron wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Seibertron wrote:The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.
Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.
It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.
If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.
And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!
To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...
Posted by ScottyP on September 11th, 2015 @ 1:25pm CDT
I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:06pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...
I was defending Seibs; if they can't replicate his head, or figure out how to update as generic a face as ironhide in the cw line, what hope have they in the masterpiece line, I dunno; It just feels like his design was so generic they really didn't know how to translate it into a toy, or update/modernize it.
I don't collect masterpieces, and even if I did, I don't think I would get this one, everything just feels wrong when looking at it, I think a simpler/cleverer design probably would've yielded a better result
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:10pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:17pm CDT
Hehe, this is what I get for interjecting! I understand now, just took me a minuteHellscream9999 wrote:ScottyP wrote:I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...
I was defending Seibs; if they can't replicate his head, or figure out how to update as generic a face as ironhide in the cw line, what hope have they in the masterpiece line, I dunno; It just feels like his design was so generic they really didn't know how to translate it into a toy, or update/modernize it.
I don't collect masterpieces, and even if I did, I don't think I would get this one, everything just feels wrong when looking at it, I think a simpler/cleverer design probably would've yielded a better result
Posted by Cobotron on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:25pm CDT
Still not sure what that is. Underground cavern with energon deposits?ScottyP wrote:
I love that this picture is proof that no one can get poor Ironhide right. His head is painted wrong in that cell.
I still think this toy is gonna be fun and I'm excited to get him.
Posted by Seibertron on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:37pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:Still not sure what that is. Underground cavern with energon deposits?ScottyP wrote:
I love that this picture is proof that no one can get poor Ironhide right. His head is painted wrong in that cell.
I still think this toy is gonna be fun and I'm excited to get him.
It's when they were scanning to see what was in the volcano on the other side of the Ark's wall. Lo and behold there were dinosaur fossils there! On Ironhide's convenient chest screen are the bones (primarily the skull) of a Triceratops, which they would use later that episode as the basis for Slug Snarl Slag.
Posted by Cobotron on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:43pm CDT
Well, that IS cool. I'm still excited to find out if he does indeed come with the OG toy face inside his windshield.Seibertron wrote:Cobotron wrote:Still not sure what that is. Underground cavern with energon deposits?ScottyP wrote:
I love that this picture is proof that no one can get poor Ironhide right. His head is painted wrong in that cell.
I still think this toy is gonna be fun and I'm excited to get him.
It's when they were scanning to see what was in the volcano on the other side of the Ark's wall. Lo and behold there were dinosaur fossils there! On Ironhide's convenient chest screen are the bones (primarily the skull) of a Triceratops, which they would use later that episode as the basis for Slug Snarl Slag.
Posted by Robogeek1973 on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:44pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2015 @ 2:44pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:11pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:Hehe, this is what I get for interjecting! I understand now, just took me a minuteHellscream9999 wrote:ScottyP wrote:I think that's a pretty long stretch to defend it with that example. I get playing devil's advocate, and it's cool if that's not even the case and you're ok with the MP's head, such is your right to that opinion. However, in the context of the bigger picture I'm way more ok with compromises on inexpensive mass retail figures as opposed to bad design on a line that's intended to give definitive versions of G1 characters.Hellscream9999 wrote:To be fair, they kinda messed up cw ironhide too, I don't mind it, but it feels like they squished his face into and over-sized helmet...
I was defending Seibs; if they can't replicate his head, or figure out how to update as generic a face as ironhide in the cw line, what hope have they in the masterpiece line, I dunno; It just feels like his design was so generic they really didn't know how to translate it into a toy, or update/modernize it.
I don't collect masterpieces, and even if I did, I don't think I would get this one, everything just feels wrong when looking at it, I think a simpler/cleverer design probably would've yielded a better result
It's cool, I realized my logic didn't pan out as well as I had hoped, so, you're good
Posted by Va'al on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:20pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:31pm CDT
Posted by griftimus prime on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:36pm CDT
Posted by huryochagi on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:37pm CDT
On the positive side, they took effort to make the bumper to have the 'T'-shape in robot mode like the cartoon. His lower body is alright to me, although his diaper should be smaller.
I'm definitely skipping this one.
Posted by Amelie on September 11th, 2015 @ 3:52pm CDT
If they spent more time thinking about the action figure itself rather than gimmicky crap - we'd have a better toy. I don't really want masses of accessories - there are 3rd party companies that can provide that - what I want is a tidy figure.
Posted by hinomars19 on September 11th, 2015 @ 4:50pm CDT
huryochagi wrote:He really looks like a guy in cosplay.
Amelie wrote:If they spent more time thinking about the action figure itself rather than gimmicky crap - we'd have a better toy. I don't really want masses of accessories - there are 3rd party companies that can provide that - what I want is a tidy figure.
This was how I felt about Ultra Magnus
I'll be honest, he isn't wowing me. I'll let him off slightly for being a tricky thing to pull off...but I'm not convinced. The again, Bumblebee didn't strike me from pics, but having him in hand he is awesome!
Posted by phantom1592 on September 11th, 2015 @ 5:09pm CDT
SillySpringer wrote:Ahhh man, I don't have any MPs yet and I don't know which one to get first. I think this Ironhide may not be the best MP, but it looks pretty damn good. I wanna get a few of the car bots first though. I still want the Soundwave mold. ARGGGGG I am soooo behind!
MP-10 Optimus is a glorious centerpiece for the MP line... and Prowl is a personal favorite of mine.
Starscream and Soundwave are probably be the two I want the most that I don't have yet....
getting behind on these SUCKS
Posted by Samsonator on September 11th, 2015 @ 5:54pm CDT
Posted by BATTLEMASTER IIC on September 11th, 2015 @ 6:00pm CDT
Posted by Fox Thiagarajan on September 11th, 2015 @ 6:47pm CDT
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on September 11th, 2015 @ 6:55pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 11th, 2015 @ 7:09pm CDT
The gun-like ones? Those reference a scene from an episode where he fired from fingertips.SillySpringer wrote:Uh, what's with the hollow looking fingers?
Posted by Railbomb on September 11th, 2015 @ 7:17pm CDT
Posted by Cobotron on September 11th, 2015 @ 7:20pm CDT
Railbomb wrote:Does he have MP Bee's gun painted in silver in one of those pictures?
Yup!
Posted by kirbenvost on September 11th, 2015 @ 9:26pm CDT
Posted by padfoo on September 11th, 2015 @ 9:28pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Seibertron wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Seibertron wrote:The head sculpt is what bothers me most. I'm not splitting hairs, it just doesn't look good. I could probably deal with the rest of his flaws if his head was spot on to the Ironhide head, which is really simple to draw, not sure what this was such a challenge for them to get right.
Can I ask what's not right about the head sculpt to you? It looks fine to me, and I think some of the promotional photography gives it a bit of a "stretched look," but "in hand" pics show it to be a little more proportional. The head and face look like Ironhide to me, and not like anyone else, so I'm not sure that's "wrong" with it to some.
It's Ironhide's face ... it's just not right! The jawline needs to be more squared off, his face is too thin, it slopes down toward his chin, instead of being a more rectangular face. This is another example of where they take the source material too seriously ... I don't think anyone would have complained about him having a silver face, but instead they gave him this oddly painted face similar to what they did with Bumblebee which dulls the details such as the facial lines. The eyes aren't big enough. The nose isn't wide enough. The bottom of the nose is too close to the upper lip. The nose is also too long. The lines along the side of his face should be very defined yet they can hardly be seen, same problem on Bumblebee's face.
If you guys can't see the many things wrong with Ironhide's face, not sure what to tell you guys. The smallest details can make the biggest differences. Masterpiece Prowl and Wheeljack set the bar ... Ironhide is a disappointment after them. It especially sucks with Ironhide because we keep hoping we'll get a great Ironhide/Ratchet toy at some point but continue to be disappointed with release after release.
And my opinion still stands about his face. Nose is too small or too long or something. Jaw line/sides of face should be more rectangular. All you have to do is look at his character model! Ironhide has one of the easiest Transformers faces to draw. I'm bummed they got this wrong!
So true, this Ironhide is still a buy for me but I wish they had designed his head to be more like the G! model. The chest is also off, but like I said this is still a buy.
Posted by fenrir72 on September 11th, 2015 @ 10:06pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 11th, 2015 @ 10:37pm CDT
phantom1592 wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Ahhh man, I don't have any MPs yet and I don't know which one to get first. I think this Ironhide may not be the best MP, but it looks pretty damn good. I wanna get a few of the car bots first though. I still want the Soundwave mold. ARGGGGG I am soooo behind!
MP-10 Optimus is a glorious centerpiece for the MP line... and Prowl is a personal favorite of mine.
Starscream and Soundwave are probably be the two I want the most that I don't have yet....
getting behind on these SUCKS
Well you are in luck since Starscream is still selling at retail price for the takara version AND the Hasbro version is out in a few weeks at your nearest toysrus. Just pick the one you want and you will get it without going through secondary market prices. You can always om me if you need details. Point is, no one is currently behind on starscream as he is readily available. And Soundblaster (the MP soundwave redeco) is still plenty available too. Optimus is also readily available, so is Bluestreak (any version you want), Thundercracker, Sidewipe will be rereleased really soon, and red alert was jut rereleased, even megatron is easy to get for cheaper than he was when first released. In terms of mold, everything is available, except for Grimlock. You shouldnt be paying a premium above retail for any aside from that one.
Posted by Cyberpath on September 12th, 2015 @ 5:44am CDT
He's come a long way, that's for sure.
Release date according to Amazon Japan: Jan 31, 2016.
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on September 12th, 2015 @ 1:17pm CDT
huryochagi wrote:His robot mode looks like a parody on Ironhide. He really looks like a guy in cosplay. The first picture looks as if he says 'Can I get out of this costume already?!' His head being the worst. Most mistakes of his head have been mentioned. His helmet should go straight down. They made it wrap in a sphere shape.
On the positive side, they took effort to make the bumper to have the 'T'-shape in robot mode like the cartoon. His lower body is alright to me, although his diaper should be smaller.
I'm definitely skipping this one.
He doesn't look too bad if you're viewing him at an angle. Though I want this guy, because of how funny he looks and his jetpack.
Posted by digktialx on September 12th, 2015 @ 2:08pm CDT
-dx
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on September 12th, 2015 @ 2:24pm CDT
digktialx wrote:Yeah I'm not sure on this Ironhide either. He was never a must buy for me since I didn't like the toy (for obvious reasons) and the character in the cartoon. I'd be more interested to see the Ratchet variation but even then I'm still on the fence about picking Ratchet up.
-dx
Same here. I would rather have Ratchet, but at the same time, I don't know if I'd even get the Ratchet version.
Posted by Mr_Autobot411 on September 12th, 2015 @ 2:35pm CDT
this is the weirdest mp release ive come across.........
Posted by DedicatedGhostArt on September 12th, 2015 @ 3:31pm CDT
Mr_Autobot411 wrote:hes a good attempt, but he seems off, the head sculpt im not digging at all, doesnt remind me of ironhide.
this is the weirdest mp release ive come across.........
...you mean besides MP Megatron?
Posted by Mr_Autobot411 on September 12th, 2015 @ 5:17pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on September 12th, 2015 @ 7:58pm CDT
Posted by padfoo on September 12th, 2015 @ 8:24pm CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on September 12th, 2015 @ 10:02pm CDT
SillySpringer wrote:Mr_Autobot411 wrote:hes a good attempt, but he seems off, the head sculpt im not digging at all, doesnt remind me of ironhide.
this is the weirdest mp release ive come across.........
...you mean besides MP Megatron?
The face was kind of based on this