More pictures of Fall of Cybertron G2 Bruticus packaging

Great pics! I'm so glad that I got this coming in November. The colors just work with the molds. Plus the box is awesome. The box and all five of them will be on my shelf.

I think I'll be keeping this box.

I hope we see some other FoC figures done in the G2 style. I'd love a blue Grimlock (he was the first TF toy I had, along with green Slag and red Snarl).

I can not wait to get this Big Bad Battlin' Dudicus into my hands!

This deco is the G1 Bruticus character, while the SDCC and retail decos are the Fall of Cybertron Bruticus character.

I can't believe so many people think bruticus is a nice looking combiner. Wait till you have him in hand to see what a disappointment he really is

Hotrodimust wrote:I can't believe so many people think bruticus is a nice looking combiner. Wait till you have him in hand to see what a disappointment he really is

Opinions, man. We're not gonna "find out" that we share your opinion. If we still like him, we still like him. If we don't, we don't.

Aside from any unpredictable QC issues, I'm fairly certain that not only will he be my collection's centerpiece, but he'll also be my favorite of all. Well, the G2 version at least.

If you don't want yours, I'll be happy to buy it off ya...

The people who are getting G2 Bruticus have several months to put their expectations at a realistic level. Plus, they're spending a LOT less money and going through a LOT less hassle, so there's much less of that "this had better be worth it" feeling.

Noideaforaname wrote:The people who are getting G2 Bruticus have several months to put their expectations at a realistic level. Plus, they're spending a LOT less money and going through a LOT less hassle, so there's much less of that "this had better be worth it" feeling.

We're also paying a good bit less than retail, too. So, not only do we get FoC Bruticus, we get a massive nostalgiagasm and a great deal. And I'll say the same thing I've said all along, the more I see, the more I want it to be here, lol.

Okay, I admit. I just pre-ordered. $60 for a G2 decoed Bruticus is pretty sweet. Especially since buying the individual figures in retail will be more expensive and more of a hassle. I still HAVE my G2 Bruticus. Guess I'll be displaying them together.

orangeitis wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:I can't believe so many people think bruticus is a nice looking combiner. Wait till you have him in hand to see what a disappointment he really is

Opinions, man. We're not gonna "find out" that we share your opinion. If we still like him, we still like him. If we don't, we don't.

Aside from any unpredictable QC issues, I'm fairly certain that not only will he be my collection's centerpiece, but he'll also be my favorite of all. Well, the G2 version at least.

If you don't want yours, I'll be happy to buy it off ya...

I guess if you don't own any 3rd party combiners or the rotf bruticus with FP kits or with out. He looks like a great combiner compaired to a g1 combiner unless you have 3rd party kits on your g1 combiner. The individual robots are nice but they are still very light feeling like the FOC prime,jazz and shockwave. But besides that they look nice but in combined mode not so much his arms are to long his hands look bad and the connection points show to much. Why is one point purple and the other black. Also the idea of being able to swap limbs anywhere is cool but not when you lose articulation. And then hasbro puts a different head on him moves the arms around and calls it a totally different combiner and people are happy. And this version of brut is nowhere near being centerpiece material unless you have no other combiners or MP figures. And I am actually thinking about selling him but if I do I want exactly what I paid for him because he's MISB I played with my friends before I opened mine

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Hotrodimust wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:I can't believe so many people think bruticus is a nice looking combiner. Wait till you have him in hand to see what a disappointment he really is

Opinions, man. We're not gonna "find out" that we share your opinion. If we still like him, we still like him. If we don't, we don't.

Aside from any unpredictable QC issues, I'm fairly certain that not only will he be my collection's centerpiece, but he'll also be my favorite of all. Well, the G2 version at least.

If you don't want yours, I'll be happy to buy it off ya...

I guess if you don't own any 3rd party combiners or the rotf bruticus with FP kits or with out.

First of all, it's irrelavent whether I own them or not. I'm still capable of deciding whether or not I want a figure without actually owning it. Secondly, I own all Energon-style 5-bot combiners without 3rd-party add-ons. Yes, they're great, and no, I wouldn't want to shell out tons of money on the 3rd-party upgrades on them, nor do I think they're in any way better than FoC Bruticus with or without upgrades.

Hotrodimust wrote:He looks like a great combiner compaired to a g1 combiner unless you have 3rd party kits on your g1 combiner. The individual robots are nice but they are still very light feeling like the FOC prime,jazz and shockwave. But besides that they look nice but in combined mode not so much his arms are to long his hands look bad and the connection points show to much. Why is one point purple and the other black. Also the idea of being able to swap limbs anywhere is cool but not when you lose articulation.

Well those are your opinions. Opinions which I disagree with for the most part.

Hotrodimust wrote:And then hasbro puts a different head on him moves the arms around and calls it a totally different combiner and people are happy.

Ruination IS a totally different combiner. Maybe not in the sense that it uses 95% of the same molding as FoC Bruticus, but they're different characters and IMO, have a sufficient amount of molding/color to call them different.

Hotrodimust wrote:And this version of brut is nowhere near being centerpiece material unless you have no other combiners or MP figures.

That's your opinion. But for my collection, FoC G2 Bruticus will be a centerpiece.

Hotrodimust wrote:And I am actually thinking about selling him but if I do I want exactly what I paid for him because he's MISB I played with my friends before I opened mine

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lol, no thanks then.

I realize you dislike FoC Bruticus, but it's a fact that people have different opinions than you do. People aren't gonna change their opinions because you insist that their opinions are wrong.

Lol ok and I'm not trying to change your opinion about this waste of plastic. I just like a higher quality figure I guess some people are happy with what ever they get. And as far as deciding of its a bad figure b4 buying it I don't do that anymore because I've liked figure more once in hand and that's why I bought him just in case but he is what he looks like an over size pcc. The actual box is better than the figure IMO

Hotrodimust wrote:Lol ok and I'm not trying to change your opinion about this waste of plastic. I just like a higher quality figure I guess some people are happy with what ever they get. And as far as deciding of its a bad figure b4 buying it I don't do that anymore because I've liked figure more once in hand and that's why I bought him just in case but he is what he looks like an over size pcc. The actual box is better than the figure IMO

Please drop it. I'm tired of the 3rd party guys raining on the parade of people who like the official Transformers toys. This is enough of the 3rd party fans trolling topics about the official Transformers toys.

I have Tripredacus, the second Predacon Combiner. He's not all that great but he's still very much the highlight of my Beast Wars figures. I expect Bruticus to be the same for my FoCs.

lets see on the one hand you have a $600 dollar 3rd party, and on the other a $60 dollar hasbro/takara......which one again is a waste of plastic?

Hotrodimust wrote:Lol ok and I'm not trying to change your opinion about this waste of plastic. I just like a higher quality figure I guess some people are happy with what ever they get. And as far as deciding of its a bad figure b4 buying it I don't do that anymore because I've liked figure more once in hand and that's why I bought him just in case but he is what he looks like an over size pcc. The actual box is better than the figure IMO

Well if someone, say, don't care how much articulation something has, that the action features and/or aesthetics are more important for the figure to them, then it'll be easy to judge a toy before they have it in-hand. Plus, a lot of us aren't the 'buy-then-decikde-to-resell-or-not' type.

Besides, some of us take in enough information before they decide to buy it without touching the figure first. Examining each and every picture that comes out of it, taking notes on reviews, etc. For instance, I personally studied FoC Bruticus so much, I was able to predict that it's Blast-Off arm could collapse to look more normalish, plus I guessed the ability for Bruticus to attach Onslaught's weapon to his back to simulate his trademark back guns.

And IJS, I think Hercules and other 3rd-party combiners are wastes of plastic, but I rarely tell that to people because it's just my opinion. =)

Seibertron wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Lol ok and I'm not trying to change your opinion about this waste of plastic. I just like a higher quality figure I guess some people are happy with what ever they get. And as far as deciding of its a bad figure b4 buying it I don't do that anymore because I've liked figure more once in hand and that's why I bought him just in case but he is what he looks like an over size pcc. The actual box is better than the figure IMO

Please drop it. I'm tired of the 3rd party guys raining on the parade of people who like the official Transformers toys. This is enough of the 3rd party fans trolling topics about the official Transformers toys.

I own hundreds of official figures but I'm not gonna accept anything hasbro throws at me and call it a good figure when it's not. And I can't help it that I have to buy over priced 3rd party figures just to have a quality figure. I wish hasbro would step their game up I would love to give my money to the official company. And be able to find their products in stores and not have to pre order them on line or get robbed on eBay. And all I really said at first is once people have the figure in hand they will see its not as they thought it was gonna be. Also I have not watched or read on good review on him. And what's the difference of me saying I don't like it and someone saying its amazing. I'm just saying what I think off it because I have it in hand and not looking at a picture that's all

I for one only purchase licensed TF's. I do not purchase 3rd party anything. It is not because I do not think that some of the 3rd party figures are sweet, I do, but it is because I like keeping my collection 3rd party free.

Now as far as G2 Bruticus goes, and SDCC Bruticus, and the retail version, IMO, no this is not a perfect toy, and maybe isn't going to meet all of my expectations, but it's a fricken toy, and I like it and I want it, and I will have it.

Still waiting for my SDCC2012 Bruticus to ship from HTS.com. Once I have him in hand I will decide if he is enough for my FOC set, or if I will cancel my pre-order for G2 version.

Cyberseven wrote:I for one only purchase licensed TF's. I do not purchase 3rd party anything. It is not because I do not think that some of the 3rd party figures are sweet, I do, but it is because I like keeping my collection 3rd party free.

Now as far as G2 Bruticus goes, and SDCC Bruticus, and the retail version, IMO, no this is not a perfect toy, and maybe isn't going to meet all of my expectations, but it's a fricken toy, and I like it and I want it, and I will have it.

Still waiting for my SDCC2012 Bruticus to ship from HTS.com. Once I have him in hand I will decide if he is enough for my FOC set, or if I will cancel my pre-order for G2 version.

I look forward to your opinion once you receive the SDCC version of Bruty. I really wanted to get that version of him and hovered HTS to no avail. I was initially very disappointed, but I'm really starting to like the G2 version.

I agree that it'll be nice to not have to hunt them down individually and to have a nice complete G2 package as well. I really like that he's $40 less too.

Anyway, be sure and post your opinion about the SDCC version once you've got him in hand. I may have to hunt him down eventually if everyone seems to agree that he's worth it. For now I am more than happy with the G2 version, but I can re-evaluate the SDCC colors later after the hype and my initial heartbreak dies down!

orangeitis wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Lol ok and I'm not trying to change your opinion about this waste of plastic. I just like a higher quality figure I guess some people are happy with what ever they get. And as far as deciding of its a bad figure b4 buying it I don't do that anymore because I've liked figure more once in hand and that's why I bought him just in case but he is what he looks like an over size pcc. The actual box is better than the figure IMO

Well if someone, say, don't care how much articulation something has, that the action features and/or aesthetics are more important for the figure to them, then it'll be easy to judge a toy before they have it in-hand. Plus, a lot of us aren't the 'buy-then-decikde-to-resell-or-not' type.

Besides, some of us take in enough information before they decide to buy it without touching the figure first. Examining each and every picture that comes out of it, taking notes on reviews, etc. For instance, I personally studied FoC Bruticus so much, I was able to predict that it's Blast-Off arm could collapse to look more normalish, plus I guessed the ability for Bruticus to attach Onslaught's weapon to his back to simulate his trademark back guns.

And IJS, I think Hercules and other 3rd-party combiners are wastes of plastic, but I rarely tell that to people because it's just my opinion. =)

Have you ever considered how thoroughly condescending and annoying you sound? It's quite ironic, you warble on about opinions, yet there's no shortage forthcoming from your fingertips. Please be quiet. It's perfectly acceptable for others to have a say in a matter and not be subject to your verbal barrage, that you so thoroughly enjoy sharing with us.

The_Bot_In_The_Tux wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Hotrodimust wrote:Lol ok and I'm not trying to change your opinion about this waste of plastic. I just like a higher quality figure I guess some people are happy with what ever they get. And as far as deciding of its a bad figure b4 buying it I don't do that anymore because I've liked figure more once in hand and that's why I bought him just in case but he is what he looks like an over size pcc. The actual box is better than the figure IMO

Well if someone, say, don't care how much articulation something has, that the action features and/or aesthetics are more important for the figure to them, then it'll be easy to judge a toy before they have it in-hand. Plus, a lot of us aren't the 'buy-then-decikde-to-resell-or-not' type.

Besides, some of us take in enough information before they decide to buy it without touching the figure first. Examining each and every picture that comes out of it, taking notes on reviews, etc. For instance, I personally studied FoC Bruticus so much, I was able to predict that it's Blast-Off arm could collapse to look more normalish, plus I guessed the ability for Bruticus to attach Onslaught's weapon to his back to simulate his trademark back guns.

And IJS, I think Hercules and other 3rd-party combiners are wastes of plastic, but I rarely tell that to people because it's just my opinion. =)

Have you ever considered how thoroughly condescending and annoying you sound? It's quite ironic, you warble on about opinions, yet there's no shortage forthcoming from your fingertips. Please be quiet. It's perfectly acceptable for others to have a say in a matter and not be subject to your verbal barrage, that you so thoroughly enjoy sharing with us.

I'm just gonna like everything that hasbro makes so I don't have to listen to people cry when I say I don't like a figure. And I'm sorry I don't study pictures I have other things to do. I see tons of people say they don't like things on this site and no one says nothing to them but if I say something its an act against god. I can't wait till he hits retail and everyone sees how bad this figure truely is

njb902 wrote:lets see on the one hand you have a $600 dollar 3rd party, and on the other a $60 dollar hasbro/takara......which one again is a waste of plastic?

This argument does not make sense to me.

Is cost a component in objectively evaluating the quality of a figure?

I mean, of course it's something to consider but no one puts a BMW next to a Kia and calls the BMW a piece of garbage because they can't afford it.

Perhaps the price makes one figure a better suit for a particular buyer but there is zero, absolutely zero question that the recent 3rd party combiners are better combining robot figures than FoC Bruticus in any color scheme when considering engineering.

If it's going to be an honest discussion at least keep it in the realm of reasonable.

Counterpunch wrote:

njb902 wrote:lets see on the one hand you have a $600 dollar 3rd party, and on the other a $60 dollar hasbro/takara......which one again is a waste of plastic?

This argument does not make sense to me.

Is cost a component in objectively evaluating the quality of a figure?

I mean, of course it's something to consider but no one puts a BMW next to a Kia and calls the BMW a piece of garbage because they can't afford it.

Actually, njb902 didn't say anything about not being able to afford the $600 figure(at least not in the post you quoted). There's a huge difference in not being able to afford something expensive versus not thinking the toy is worth the expense. Maybe one would even rather have 5 Bruticuses(Brutici?) than one Hercules... who knows?

I know it's easy if you think that the expensive one is bar none the best the market has to offer to assume that everyone else thinks so too and just claims to dislike it because they merely can't afford it, but you must understand that people do have different opinions than you do, regardless of how seemingly unlikely it is.

Counterpunch wrote:Perhaps the price makes one figure a better suit for a particular buyer but there is zero, absolutely zero question that the recent 3rd party combiners are better combining robot figures than FoC Bruticus in any color scheme when considering engineering.

If it's going to be an honest discussion at least keep it in the realm of reasonable

But that also can be debated. There is more to consider than amount of articulation, size, transformation, or number of parts being used. We must also consider that Hasbro has many other aspects to their toy engineering that limit what they can and can't practically make. The main and IMO most obvious one is that Hasbro isn't aiming for adult collectors, they're aiming at kids. That does not necessarily include the detail they put on the figure, but the aesthetics of the figure, the pricing, and the safety of the toy.

Hasbro has to adhere to modern-day toy safety standards, which hinder the construction of a toy a lot.Sharp parts need to be dulled or configured for less risk to the young consumers. The toys have to survive drop tests so parts won't fly off and injure or kill a random bystander. The toy mustn't look like a weapon to a law enforcement officer so the wielder of the toy won't get shot in self-defense.

But there's more. The toys must be set at a price that appears affordable to the average parent. Most parents won't bother with a 6-inch robot toy if it costs too much, no matter how good an adult collector might think it looks. The toy also has to be easy to understand for the average consumer, which helps on designing costs.

And considering all those rules, let's take a look at Fall of Cybertron Bruticus again. Okay, modern day 5-bot combiner with at least deluxe-sized component bots, check. An average-level of modern-day articulation on both component bots and all combined formations, check. A "scramble city"-type gimmick that raises play value and chances of completing a full combined form, check. Zero combiner kibble so consumers won't lose a whole giant robot if they lose a piece while playing, check. Component weapons combine, check. Cheap enough for parents to buy(not to mention the components all looking different), check. Plenty of colors to choose from, check.

Considering all of the rules Hasbro engineers had to adhere to while making a modern-day combiner, yes, it could be debated whether or not it has better engineering than 3rd-party combiners. Consider if the 3rd-party engineers worked for Hasbro, limited by the same rules. What are the odds that they could come up with something better?

Counterpunch wrote:

njb902 wrote:lets see on the one hand you have a $600 dollar 3rd party, and on the other a $60 dollar hasbro/takara......which one again is a waste of plastic?

This argument does not make sense to me.

Is cost a component in objectively evaluating the quality of a figure?

I mean, of course it's something to consider but no one puts a BMW next to a Kia and calls the BMW a piece of garbage because they can't afford it.

Perhaps the price makes one figure a better suit for a particular buyer but there is zero, absolutely zero question that the recent 3rd party combiners are better combining robot figures than FoC Bruticus in any color scheme when considering engineering.

If it's going to be an honest discussion at least keep it in the realm of reasonable.

I said this figure sucks because it's horrible the articulation is crap the the transformation of each figure is crap and I really think this could of been a good figure but they had to try and do something that no other combiner can do and use any bot for any limb. The whole thing I said about third party combiners is that if some people with have no combiners or don't have a good combiner to compair it to then they might think this is a great combiner. It has nothing to do with cost I paid $200 for sdcc bruticus and I paid $300 for my maketoys giant. I don't care how much things cost even know I wish I paid less for both. but if I'm paying good money for a figure I want a good figure even at $50 a figure should have more articulation than the FOC bruticus and better design the whole figure is extremely simple. And I know in the end these are just kids toys but hasbro them selves said the generations line is geared more towards collectors. And so far IMO all the FOC figures are crap they are smaller,lighter because they are hollow barely any paint apps and scout class transformations. Seriously take any one of last years generation figures and compair it the the 3 we got already and tell me hasbro isn't cutting back and then raising the prices. I love transformers do when I buy a TF figure I want it to remind me of why I think TFs are so cool not disappoint me. And I know everyone has their own opinion but it seems like when ever I say something about a figure not even negative someone has to say something to me and then I'm the one that always gets a warning. Trust me I'm not on hear to argue with people if I say I don't like something maybe someone should just ask why instead of getting all defensive. There are so many times I want to comment on something and not in a negative way and I don't because I don't feel like having someone tell me that what I think is rediculous. Idk maybe I don't word things right. I know my writing skills arnt the best but what ever I'll just keep my comments to my self

orangeitis wrote:::snip::

You wrote a lot of words but really did not address the simple point I made in my comment.

I really can't discuss the matter any further because all I said was that disregarding cost, the 3rd party combiners have been better figures.

I do not care about any rationalizations for why Hasbro has created the product they have.

In a vacuum, in a purely "which is better, side by side, pair-wise comparison", I am stating that the non-Hasbro combiner products are superior.

In a real world context, price, availability, etc all come in to play.

I really don't see what's so difficult to accept in all of this.

If you only collect "Hasbro/Takara Transformers" that's one thing but it's a different thing. However, under the context of what I've set forth here, if you think that FoC Bruticus is a better overall toy than MT Giant, Herc, or FP Colossus; then I would call into question your ability to evaluate quality toys.

orangeitis wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

njb902 wrote:lets see on the one hand you have a $600 dollar 3rd party, and on the other a $60 dollar hasbro/takara......which one again is a waste of plastic?

This argument does not make sense to me.

Is cost a component in objectively evaluating the quality of a figure?

I mean, of course it's something to consider but no one puts a BMW next to a Kia and calls the BMW a piece of garbage because they can't afford it.

Actually, njb902 didn't say anything about not being able to afford the $600 figure(at least not in the post you quoted). There's a huge difference in not being able to afford something expensive versus not thinking the toy is worth the expense. Maybe one would even rather have 5 Bruticuses(Brutici?) than one Hercules... who knows?

I know it's easy if you think that the expensive one is bar none the best the market has to offer to assume that everyone else thinks so too and just claims to dislike it because they merely can't afford it, but you must understand that people do have different opinions than you do, regardless of how seemingly unlikely it is.

Counterpunch wrote:Perhaps the price makes one figure a better suit for a particular buyer but there is zero, absolutely zero question that the recent 3rd party combiners are better combining robot figures than FoC Bruticus in any color scheme when considering engineering.

If it's going to be an honest discussion at least keep it in the realm of reasonable

But that also can be debated. There is more to consider than amount of articulation, size, transformation, or number of parts being used. We must also consider that Hasbro has many other aspects to their toy engineering that limit what they can and can't practically make. The main and IMO most obvious one is that Hasbro isn't aiming for adult collectors, they're aiming at kids. That does not necessarily include the detail they put on the figure, but the aesthetics of the figure, the pricing, and the safety of the toy.

Hasbro has to adhere to modern-day toy safety standards, which hinder the construction of a toy a lot.Sharp parts need to be dulled or configured for less risk to the young consumers. The toys have to survive drop tests so parts won't fly off and injure or kill a random bystander. The toy mustn't look like a weapon to a law enforcement officer so the wielder of the toy won't get shot in self-defense.

But there's more. The toys must be set at a price that appears affordable to the average parent. Most parents won't bother with a 6-inch robot toy if it costs too much, no matter how good an adult collector might think it looks. The toy also has to be easy to understand for the average consumer, which helps on designing costs.

And considering all those rules, let's take a look at Fall of Cybertron Bruticus again. Okay, modern day 5-bot combiner with at least deluxe-sized component bots, check. An average-level of modern-day articulation on both component bots and all combined formations, check. A "scramble city"-type gimmick that raises play value and chances of completing a full combined form, check. Zero combiner kibble so consumers won't lose a whole giant robot if they lose a piece while playing, check. Component weapons combine, check. Cheap enough for parents to buy(not to mention the components all looking different), check. Plenty of colors to choose from, check.

Considering all of the rules Hasbro engineers had to adhere to while making a modern-day combiner, yes, it could be debated whether or not it has better engineering than 3rd-party combiners. Consider if the 3rd-party engineers worked for Hasbro, limited by the same rules. What are the odds that they could come up with something better?

This does make a lot of sense but I think they could have done better. Because anything they bring over from takaras MP line has to go thru the same rules right and they are a lot nicer. I really think if they didn't do the scramble city thing he would be a lot nicer but by doing the scramble city they gave them selves options to repaint and rename the figures and put out another combiner to make more money off of the same molds. And yes they do this for individual figures but it just seems a little cheap on their part. Because in the end hasbro is about making as much money off of their products as they can. and I understand that it's why people start Buisnesses. But recycling a whole combiner and trying to sell him as a totally different combiner is just wrong. Big deal his head is different I'm still paying $100 or more if I want to complete my set. And what about some of the great designs of some of the prime figures they couldn't put more creativity in to bruticus. I remember listening to a hasbro panel when they first introduced bruticus. And I remember them talking about the new connection points that they said were gonna allow them to do amazing things with their combiners. What is so amazing please let me know and you said hasbro has to follow rules that won't let them make figures like 3rd party. What about rotf leader class prime the transformation is great on that figure and we are also getting jetwing prime these figure wernt hindered by rules. Hasbro just really bit the bullet on bruticus IMO they could have down a way better job but they seen a way were they could make more money and it cost the figure.

Counterpunch wrote:

orangeitis wrote:::snip::

You wrote a lot of words but really did not address the simple point I made in my comment.

I really can't discuss the matter any further because all I said was that disregarding cost, the 3rd party combiners have been better figures.

I do not care about any rationalizations for why Hasbro has created the product they have.

In a vacuum, in a purely "which is better, side by side, pair-wise comparison", I am stating that the non-Hasbro combiner products are superior.

In a real world context, price, availability, etc all come in to play.

I really don't see what's so difficult to accept in all of this.

If you only collect "Hasbro/Takara Transformers" that's one thing but it's a different thing. However, under the context of what I've set forth here, if you think that FoC Bruticus is a better overall toy than MT Giant, Herc, or FP Colossus; then I would call into question your ability to evaluate quality toys.

Wait I'm lost who are u talking to because I love my 3rd party I think FOC bruticus is bad. Price has nothing to do with it just the quality of the figure

Counterpunch wrote:If you only collect "Hasbro/Takara Transformers" that's one thing but it's a different thing. However, under the context of what I've set forth here, if you think that FoC Bruticus is a better overall toy than MT Giant, Herc, or FP Colossus; then I would call into question your ability to evaluate quality toys.

Bottom line is this ... it's not a fair comparison to compare a $500 to $600 toy that was made with far fewer restrictions than what Hasbro must adhere to. Percentage-wise it's like comparing 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, which retailed around $20,000, to a $200,000 car. I mean, you can compare them, but cost is a HUGE factor when it comes to these things and you're obviously comparing things that are very far apart on this spectrum.

The other factor here is that people should be able to express their enjoyment of this figure without being attacked by people who support unofficial and unlicensed products. I'm tired of 3rd party fans constantly attacking official products and acting like those products are superior.

Counterpunch wrote:I really can't discuss the matter any further because all I said was that disregarding cost, the 3rd party combiners have been better figures.

I do not care about any rationalizations for why Hasbro has created the product they have.

You might not care, but it's certainly relevant to this topic. And disregarding facts relevant to the topic isn't gonna win you arguments.

Counterpunch wrote:In a vacuum, in a purely "which is better, side by side, pair-wise comparison", I am stating that the non-Hasbro combiner products are superior.

You can't judge a toy simply by standing them side-by-side, there is much more to it than that. Playability is far more important to a toy's worth. That's the reason why most toys exist in the first place, after all.

Counterpunch wrote:In a real world context, price, availability, etc all come in to play.

I really don't see what's so difficult to accept in all of this.

Your argument is "difficult to accept" because it's rooted in subjective claims. You're attempting to profess your opinions as if they are facts. I'm sorry, but it don't work like that.

Counterpunch wrote:If you only collect "Hasbro/Takara Transformers" that's one thing but it's a different thing. However, under the context of what I've set forth here, if you think that FoC Bruticus is a better overall toy than MT Giant, Herc, or FP Colossus; then I would call into question your ability to evaluate quality toys.

Who said anyone only collects Hasbro/TakaraTomy figures? And even if one did, personal collection habits are irrelevant. Arguments are supported by the merits of the claims, not by personal aspects of either party.

And it's also irrelevant that you wish to question the opposition's ability to evaluate quality toys. First because it's only your own personal opinion of what constitutes as good evaluation, and second of all, what you call "evaluating" seems to merely be personally judging aspects of a toy based on one's own bias.

Seibertron wrote:Bottom line is this ... it's not a fair comparison to compare a $500 to $600 toy that was made with far fewer restrictions than what Hasbro must adhere to. Percentage-wise it's like comparing 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt, which retailed around $20,000, to a $200,000 car. I mean, you can compare them, but cost is a HUGE factor when it comes to these things and you're obviously comparing things that are very far apart on this spectrum.

I would concede Hasbro having to adhere to more regulations and such, but I don't think the price difference is a very valid argument in the products. 3rd Party figs generally cost what they do because of the numbers they're produced in and the ripoff profit margins retailers have on them. And when TFCC and the like produce repaints in limited numbers they charge comparable prices...and those molds are already developed with those costs already recouped.

HI (first time poster long-time reader of seibertron)

i pre-ordered this BEAUTIFUL G2 goodness a week ago and i looked at those SDCC pics of the figure, i'm probably wrong but is the G2 bruticus on display a hand-painted model like the generations FOC starscream was?

P.S im new here but im also on TFW, so hello everybody!

SG hailstorm wrote:HI (first time poster long-time reader of seibertron)

i pre-ordered this BEAUTIFUL G2 goodness a week ago and i looked at those SDCC pics of the figure, i'm probably wrong but is the G2 bruticus on display a hand-painted model like the generations FOC starscream was?

P.S im new here but im also on TFW, so hello everybody!

Welcome, friend! I too am looking forward to G2 deco Bruticus. The mold has issues, but I'm still saying that it can be made to look pretty great. And the thing is quite pleasantly tall.

SG hailstorm wrote:i'm probably wrong but is the G2 bruticus on display a hand-painted model like the generations FOC starscream was?

Yes, a lot of figures on display at conventions are indeed hand-painted. Look closely and you may even see spots were the paint is wearing off!

Wow this figure actually looks pretty good, glad I pre-ordered!

SG hailstorm wrote:HI (first time poster long-time reader of seibertron)

i pre-ordered this BEAUTIFUL G2 goodness a week ago and i looked at those SDCC pics of the figure, i'm probably wrong but is the G2 bruticus on display a hand-painted model like the generations FOC starscream was?

P.S im new here but im also on TFW, so hello everybody!

Just wanted to give you an official welcome to Seibertron.com, SG hailstorm. Thanks for signing up. Hope to see you here some more.

I bought a sdcc brut from someone and while the box was amazing the figure was not. So I put him back in the box and got my money back and pre ordered this version. Because $60 isn't a bad price for 5 deluxe figure that combined even if the combined mode is a let down IMO. Even the retail version is gonna cost over $100 and you have to hunt them down. Also the g2 version comes in a nice box I'm surprised more people are not getting this version for the price alone.