More Images of Transformers Agent Ravage and Comparison to Kingdom Cheetor

william-james88 wrote:We thank fellow Seibertronian Nuclearxpotato for letting us know of more images of Agent Ravage that have been posted on Facebook and Chinese social media. These show us that Agent Ravage is indeed based on the Kingdom Cheetor mold with most of the upper body being a completely new design with a different Transformation. The result is a rather organic looking big cat with guns on his hips. It's like an interpretation of what G1 Ravage would look like if the cassette turned into an organic animal rather than a robotic looking one.

We also see the instructions which show that this was indeed planned as a SDCC exclusive. While the world exclusive is thrown around, we have yet to confirm that this will only be obtainable at one retailer. Afterall, the Refraktor set was not an exclusive, so maybe this won't be either.

Emerje wrote:
Bumblebee - Don't really need this, probably give his weapons to Netflix Bee so his weapons won't look like the rest on the shelf. I get why they didn't use the Beetle mold, people seem to forget that vehicles in movies are basically product placement for a brand and the toys are just some bonus synergy and doesn't mean free use of the license. But I am surprised they didn't use the same shade of yellow as the Netflix Bee to keep him from looking like Hubcap. Hasbro, you should know better.


Emerje

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Looks good. I still await the MP figure that does this though:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Can you confirm that Fangry doesn't come with any guns?

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:NEVER used to be like this. We NEVER had this many exclusives before. This is a totally new beast.

And I'm pretty sure people who's hobby is fishing or golfing or sewing don't have to go through this s**t.

I'm not going to say that you shouldn't be mad, but this part is generally wrong. This isn't specific to toys, this is a confluence of a few factors: supply chain pressure from the pandemic, the rise of bots to control access to limited products, and the resulting opportunity for arbitrage to become a viable side hustle. That's to say nothing of the increasingly predatory approach to capitalism at a macro level.

I don't know about fishing, but the crafting community has had price and resource pressures from pandemic demand for cloth materials. It's impossible to buy the newest video game consoles at retailers. PC gaming is challenged because graphic cards are scalped for aspiring crypto billionaires. There are apps dedicated to getting hot sneakers. I could go on.

Yes, toy makers are like any capitalist enterprise based on collecting where FOMO inflates demand to pressure customers into buying. But even when we're talking about retailer-specific exclusives, mass retail products like Transformers are generally not intended to be impossible to get. I genuinely believe that Hasbro wants everyone who wants a toy to be able to get one, but they don't want extra unsold stock, and they can't control how retailers put them out.

This isn't just me being a sucker, you can see how they've continued to push out Cobra Island product to meet the extreme demand. Many of their Pulse exclusives have been restocked after the initial release. The same thing is happening with other toy lines from other companies like with MotU and NECA's TMNT, though there are exceptions.

None of this should make you feel any better. Collecting is an expensive, high effort hobby in the best of times, and these aren't that. But if being a lifelong toy fan has taught me anything, it's that the number of new exciting toys in the future always outnumbers the unattainable grails.

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

This. For all the exposure Takara gave to Shadow Panther/Tripredacus Agent. Ravage is the only design variation that made it into a show. So there isn't really a purpose to both Shadow Panther and Ravage coexisting, in the same line, with the same altmode.

Sabrblade wrote:I think you're a little backwards, there. In Takara's market, Shadow Panther and Ravage were always separate individuals who coexisted in the same toyline. It was Hasbro who tried to make them into the same guy, with their "Tripredacus Agent" toy and later selling the original Shadow Panther under that name.

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Ahhhhhh okay I understand what you meant now
I suppose since they were reusing cheetor they had to stick with the organic beast mode because of the beast legs, as opposed to more extensive retooling

A metallic head wouldve been more accurate but I don't mind this one so far
Quizas (perhaps) as someone mentioned earlier, Shadow Panther will hopefully have some grey and black to be recognizable as a leopard Panther rather than just a black cheetor. Time will tell I guess

On the bright side, ravage is taller than cheetor, and Shadow Panther by that token. I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

Razorbeast88 wrote:I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

ZeroWolf wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I am honestly a little baffled that they made Ravage turn into an organic jaguar instead of a metallic one. When he showed up in the show, he was in his Cybertronian body, not a newly-scanned Earth one. His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for a "What if Ravage had scanned an organic Earth mode?" hypothetical toy. And if they were, that's pretty much what Shadow Panther is for.

Idk I thought this new toy looked pretty show accurate from the head
Wasn't it the original toy that had the metallic panther head?
I could've sworn I saw someone mention earlier that ravage in the show had Tigatrons Beast head as his robot head

I'm the one who said that. Ravage did have Tigatron's beast head in the show, but it was modified to have a metallic sheen instead of fur.

The original toy turned into a Transmetal cat, so logically this new toy ought to have done something similar, even without the metallic chrome paint. As is, the beast mode being organic and furry instead of mechanical makes it redundant with Shadow Panther's beast mode.

Ahhhhhh okay I understand what you meant now
I suppose since they were reusing cheetor they had to stick with the organic beast mode because of the beast legs, as opposed to more extensive retooling

A metallic head wouldve been more accurate but I don't mind this one so far
Quizas (perhaps) as someone mentioned earlier, Shadow Panther will hopefully have some grey and black to be recognizable as a leopard Panther rather than just a black cheetor. Time will tell I guess

On the bright side, ravage is taller than cheetor, and Shadow Panther by that token. I wonder if tigatron will be taller or not

Tigatron will be a Voyager Class toy, and likely taller the cheetor to keep with the scale guide (basically they weren't the same height on the show, the toys won't be either)

Sabrblade wrote:His head was that of a metallic cat, not an organic one.

Razorbeast88 wrote:Man I NEED that Ravage. I just hope it isn't one of those blink and it's gone figures like centurion drone pack or Netflix bee
And if it's overpriced, fork it. Imma get it

And I'll have my very first G1 toy as well, since I've never officially had one. I think my cousins had G1 Bee. It'll be fitting for my first to be a character that is both G1 and Beast Wars (my two favorites) and a Soundwave minion, Soundwave being quite possibly my all-time favorite character if not at least top 3

Fingers crossed this toy gets redone into a Tigatron. How wonderful that would be
The og botcon figure was like $300-$500 on eBay by the time I found out about it

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I don't think it's a budget issue. Because that Ravage changing into a giant cassette would make no sense. Especially with that round-all over action figure look. Show accuracy be damned.

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I don't think it's a budget issue. Because that Ravage changing into a giant cassette would make no sense. Especially with that round-all over action figure look. Show accuracy be damned.

Of course they were never going to make him a cassette, that's a job-to-be for the worst masterpiece figure ever. But a transmetal jaguar would make more sense than an organic one, given the context of the show. However, that would have meant reusing absolutely no parts from Cheetor, because of the difference in textures.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:All of this does leave me quite encouraged that the long abandoned Nightprowler might just see a release now.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rtron wrote:The reason they gave Ravage an organic alt-mode is to cut down on remolding. Removing all that fur detailing would have meant making a completely new mold.

No one thought that that Ravage is simply following the current WFC trilogy esthetics, where the beast modes are more realistic than what they appeared in the show?

He didn't have a beast mode in the show. He had a jaguar head because he's Ravage, but his altmode was a casette. This is clearly just a budget issue.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there's no way in hell a BW Ravage will convert into a microcassette. Even ignoring scale, it'd end up somewhere between a normal cassette and a VHS cassette. It'd theoretically be possible for a completely inorganic robot to turn inside out and become a rectangle, but BW Ravage has organic curves.

I welcome BW Ravage turning into an organic jaguar, since that means he doesn't just look like him pretending to be a cat. I do agree with others that he makes Shadow Panther somewhat redundant. I wish Hasbro swapped out Shadow Panther for Nightprowler (who was planned for the Sideswipe two-pack)

Rtron wrote:Totally agree in the Shadow Panther thing. However, snow leopards are bulkier than cheetahs, so I'm still holding out hope that Nightprowler could still come out, but based on the Tigatron mold, which would be more appropriate for his altmode's species.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

Rtron wrote:Totally agree in the Shadow Panther thing. However, snow leopards are bulkier than cheetahs, so I'm still holding out hope that Nightprowler could still come out, but based on the Tigatron mold, which would be more appropriate for his altmode's species.

That's my higher hope, it's a three tier thing for me:

1- Nightprowler is being made
2- He's a Tigatron retool so he's beefy
3- He's obtainable

Extra points if he comes with a Horrorcon redeco of Waspinator or Blackarachnia (or Tarantulas if he's moved forward to Wave 5). But the big question is: does he use the Tigatron head, or does he use a mutant mask (which had a unique deco as well)?

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:NEVER used to be like this. We NEVER had this many exclusives before. This is a totally new beast.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:And I'm pretty sure people who's hobby is fishing or golfing or sewing don't have to go through this s**t.

Razorbeast88 wrote:What a time to be alive as a beast wars fan! Of course we'll see if im singing the same tune once we know pricing and availability but man am I excited! His forearms are a little scrawny but he's great!

I love that the reviewer got excited about the upper body transformation (if I interpreted that correctly) and that he added "Wakanda forever" haha especially because I like to make other teams out of transformers characters and ravage would definitely be my Black Panther. And maybe shadow panther as Shuri

-Kanrabat- wrote:Unlike those who wish for black magic to exist that will allow this Ravage to morph into the G1 cassette with a deluxe+ budget, I'm really exited for this set and that "natural" animal altmode. Hasbro really have knocked it out of the park to give use the cleanest bot AND panther modes.

Fingers crossed that this thing will be available everywhere and will not be 100$ or something at MSRP.

Changewinds wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:What a time to be alive as a beast wars fan! Of course we'll see if im singing the same tune once we know pricing and availability but man am I excited! His forearms are a little scrawny but he's great!

I love that the reviewer got excited about the upper body transformation (if I interpreted that correctly) and that he added "Wakanda forever" haha especially because I like to make other teams out of transformers characters and ravage would definitely be my Black Panther. And maybe shadow panther as Shuri

I’m excited by the upper body transformation too!
Watching the review, I’m liking the way the arms fold in to fill the gap, the way the head has the extra piece to fill out the neck, the nice waist swivel, and just the overall aesthetic. It’s quite obvious that the head is a Tigertron repaint from the review so it’s interesting that we’ll see the “repaint” version before the actual version.

william-james88 wrote:

Stormshot_Prime wrote:This is so glorious, who could have ever guessed we would get a Beast Wars ravage that wasn’t just a simple repaint? I’m also in love with the fact that it includes the actual G1 Ravage, and not his WFC counterpart. My only complaint is that he’s missing his Decepticon insignia on the other shoulder! A small price to pay for this badass bitch

o.supreme wrote:Kind of odd he comes with a original reissue cassette Ravage, I thought he might come with a slight redeco of "Micromaster" Ravage from WFC, since he is technically part of the WFC line.