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So, Vector Prime's shell is actually Metalhawk, and who is Micronus' shell supposed to be... Groundbreaker?

Swoop looks great.

Overcracker wrote:So, Vector Prime's shell is actually Metalhawk, and who is Micronus' shell supposed to be... Groundbreaker?

Cloudburst.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:So, Vector Prime's shell is actually Metalhawk, and who is Micronus' shell supposed to be... Groundbreaker?

Cloudburst.

ahhh, Cloudburst with his parts attached, that makes sense.

Thanks.

Okay, so I've been tossing around an idea in my head based on the most recent leaks of the artwork and packaging.

First off the disclaimer, I know relying on packaging art is shaky at best, but hear me out.

I think Hasbro is using 2 methods on combiners this time around, teams and evolved/enhanced individuals.

For the teams the combined form will have a separate name like Volcanicus/Abominus. For the evolved individuals, the torso will keep their name in combined form.

What really make me this this is the art for Elita-1 and Inferno having Jazz or Dinobots as limbs. If it is an evolved voyager, then they get whatever limbs are coming out in that wave.

For the actual designed teams, they will show all their intended limbs. Take a look at the Abominus drawing with all 5 members. Rippersnapper and Hun-Gurr are coming out before the other 3 limbs, and the other 3 are indicated as available late 2018. It almost seems like they learned from their mistake with CW Superion using Dragstrip as a limb.

This would also mean that technically there are only 2 "teams" so far in the terrorcons and dinobots. (I'm treating Predaking as different since it will be a titan set.) Starscream, Elita-1 and Hotspot would all then be the evolved combiner torsos, without a designated team, and Jazz, Moonracer, Blackwing, etc. would all be independent bots who can be free agents as limbs and combine with whomever.

I actually think taking this track gives Hasbro an out if they want to cancel a wave like they did for TR. This would also give them an easy way to crank out Skywarp/Thundercracker repaints of Starscream without having to give them "teams".

Again, just speculation here, but it actually fits what we've seen pretty well. The real tell will be seeing the artwork on the instructions Grimlock and Starscream. If Grimlock shows the remaining dinobots as his team with the ones coming out later indicated on the packaging like on Abominus, and Starscream's packaging just gives him whatever wave 1 limbs, then I think I may be onto something.

Swoop's still looking fantastic, and Abominus' torso is looking downright incredible.

Elita's torso on the other hand... nnnnngh. That's a bit of a mess. I'll cross my fingers that she's better in hand, and I'm at least liking that detail in jet mode.

Moonracer looks much nicer than before.

Elita's torso reminds me of that of Movie Starscream.

Sabrblade wrote:Elita's torso reminds me of that of Movie Starscream.

I can see it too. There sure is a lot going on behind the head there.

Oh, and it's now pretty clear that the Onslaught shoulders on Inferno's art were a mistake. Which in retrospect should've been obvious; that just wouldn't have worked with the ladder assembly in vehicle mode.

On the bright side, it looks like with him we've got a reversal of the CW Legends repaints -- he comes with more accessories instead of less! He's still got the standard guns of that mold but he also of course has the new Combiner feet.

I don't think I've seen this commented on yet, but it seems that the leaked images are legit. Dreadwind's wings are mis-transformed...

i will be getting all of these. but that chest gear gimmick thing looks awful.

good to see Skrapnel getting another crack at the whip in terms of release(or re-release) since he never turned up in the UK(well....not quite true...the repainted mold as Chop Shop was released in the UK).

Bummer, Inferno is just a repaint. They didn't even retool part of the truck to make it look more like the classic character. Elite-1...yikes those legs. At least all the other stuff looks good.

Deadput wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Yes. That mold in no way is good for him other than being a fire truck, and honestly, a retooled Hun-Gurr as IDW Strafe, or a retooled Grimlock as someone else would have been more applicable and fun, not a (let's see, Hot Spot, Onslaught, G2 Slaught, Pyra Magna) 5th Hasbro usage of that mold.

If you don't like retools don't buy em and let the others who don't mind such as my self get them.

There will always be retools and repaints for cost reasons and to make sure HasTak gets full millage out of the molds.

I know that, but I can still protest the idea of using a fairly well used mold again in a different line.

Prowl4 wrote:I think inferno is a missed opportunity to include heatwave and the other rescue bots in chug. It'd be cool to get those characters.

And I agree with this. If they were going to use this mold, this would have been more fun. Bring in a rescue bot character into generations (like Blurr in RiD) or even bring in the Shattered Glass Heatwave who formed Nexus Prime. Get a bit more creative

Sabrblade wrote:Elita's torso reminds me of that of Movie Starscream.

Exactly my thought too. I really like how Abominus looks, though the design really does remind me of the Silverbolt mold. But it's a beast and far different and cool looking, so that is perfectly ok.

Inferno... come on buddy, you can do better!

DMSL wrote:Bummer, Inferno is just a repaint. They didn't even retool part of the truck to make it look more like the classic character. Elite-1...yikes those legs. At least all the other stuff looks good.

Look at the pic, they retooled the head to look more like Inferno.

Has Inferno's forearm been retooled to accommodate a Prime Master, or is he holding a combiner foot with the gun plugged into that? I think the later, but what do you all see?

I'm not so curfuffled over the re-release of this mold, and I like the looks of the new head sculpt for robot mode, but I do wish they had given the torso a new combiner head.

Cobotron wrote:
Has Inferno's forearm been retooled to accommodate a Prime Master, or is he holding a combiner foot with the gun plugged into that? I think the later, but what do you all see?

I'm not so curfuffled over the re-release of this mold, and I like the looks of the new head sculpt for robot mode, but I do wish they had given the torso a new combiner head.

He's just holding the combiner foot/hand.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:He's just holding the combiner foot/hand.

Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

ScottyP - you know what this means!!





Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

megatronus wrote:

Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

ScottyP - you know what this means!!





Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

It means that Abominus is going to have a fantastic, sturdy torso.

No, we saw Elita-1 in the big leaks a few months ago.

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

We all agreed from the very first leak/pic.
Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

megatronus wrote:Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

No we all saw it in the leaks as well as the contents of the waves until wave 3. No surprise/confirmation here. Just the first pic of the real toy, but it's so bad quality that's it doesn't helps more than the leaks.

ExciKaiser wrote:

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

We all agreed from the very first leak/pic.
Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Incorrect - ScottyP is insistent that he is not Silverbolt. It's time to collect!

Really bummed Inferno is just Hot Spot with a different head.

megatronus wrote:Incorrect - ScottyP is insistent that he is not Silverbolt. It's time to collect!

I don't follow names so much: Is it the same who was insistent that no, starscream was not a combiner/torso ?

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

Not a retool, just shared engineering

megatronus wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:

megatronus wrote:Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

We all agreed from the very first leak/pic.
Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Incorrect - ScottyP is insistent that he is not Silverbolt. It's time to collect!

An I'm with Scotty, it really isn't a retool. It's just shared engineering, not shared molds.

Inferno looks like fun, and gives us an Autobot Wrecker torso for Impactor, but I dont know that I need that.

The bomb vests actually dont look bad on Ripper and Darkwing. But I wont be using them.

For some reason, Moonracer's armor makes me think of Movie Hound. Looks like a fun mold, but I need more convincing to replace my TFCC.

Elita isnt bad, and since I dobt have any of her figures she's new enough to me. Kibble and all. That torso mode is definately Movie Screamer though.

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megatronus wrote:

Can we all agree that Hungrr is a retooled Silverbolt? It seems so obvious.

ScottyP - you know what this means!!





Is this the first confirmation of Elita One? This feels like it should be bigger news.

It's a not a retool! It shares engineering and that's it. There's a difference.

This is just like G2 Smokescreen and Energon Stracream.

A retool means shared parts with new molding. Hun-grrr doesn't share any parts with silverbolt.

By your argument that would mean every single titan master is a retool because they transform the same and there not. While most have been retooled they not all retools of one titan master.

Randomhero wrote:A retool means shared parts with new molding.

No, that is NOT the definition of a retool, it never was.

Here is the ONLY definition for a retool that is legitimate:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

Any definition beyond that is entirely particular to you as a fan and in no way legitimate. That is the definition for Hasbro and the toy industry. Notice 0 mention of shared parts. And even then, all combiner components have a shared part, the combiner ports, so those fan definitions are still utterly useless.
A mold can be modified entirely and it would still be a retool. And TF molds have a bunch of pieces, so it could be they use the mold for some pieces, modify them and then add other new pieces. There is still a retooled element in there.

The main idea is that a toy must come from an existing mold and since we all have 0 clue as to what went on in the background at hasrbo (like, did they take the silverbolt mold and tweak it totally, or did they never look at silverbolt and just make this guy from scratch) then NONE of us have the answer and NONE of us are right or can affirm to be right over an other. That is why this discussion is so fucking tedious every fucking time. There is no answer, its what you think.

So, short story, if you think its a retool, then its a retool. If you dont, then it isnt, TO YOU.

ExciKaiser wrote:Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Not quite, what Hun-Gurr uses for front beast legs doesn't exist on Silverbolt. They had to add parts for the front beast legs since Silverbolt/Hun-Gurr's robot legs become his dragon heads.

Call it a reshell. Whatever.

If they simply remolded the outward appearance but internal mechanics are unchanged from Silverbolt, it's the same. Retool.

Smokescreen & Energon Starscream have a similar transformation, but that's more of a one-is-inspired-by-the-other case. Given their size and other quirks with those figures it's hard to call SS a retool in that sense.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Not quite, what Hun-Gurr uses for front beast legs doesn't exist on Silverbolt. They had to add parts for the front beast legs since Silverbolt/Hun-Gurr's robot legs become his dragon heads.

Is Sandstorm a retool of Springer?

The consensus is yes.

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If the glove fits, you must acquit!

Cobotron wrote:
Has Inferno's forearm been retooled to accommodate a Prime Master, or is he holding a combiner foot with the gun plugged into that? I think the later, but what do you all se2e?

I'm not so curfuffled over the re-release of this mold, and I like the looks of the new head sculpt for robot mode, but I do wish they had given the torso a new combiner head.

That inferno head is destined to be hidden for life. I dont care about Inferno I want G2 Defensor. Hoping we still get that wreck gar repaint of Groove to cover the leg limbs in proper G2 colors along with Funpub bluestreak as a stand in for streetwise. First Aid is about the same in white. And unfortunately we dont get a all dark blue copter but Alpha Bravo will finally have a purpose to exist.

Rated X wrote:That inferno head is destined to be hidden for life. I dont care about Inferno I want G2 Defensor. Hoping we still get that wreck gar repaint of Groove to cover the leg limbs in proper G2 colors along with Funpub bluestreak as a stand in for streetwise. First Aid is about the same in white. And unfortunately we dont get a all dark blue copter but Alpha Bravo will finally have a purpose to exist.

G2 FTW

You can always borrow the Baldigus copter to make it happen.

On a side note -

Did anyone else notice that Starscream's torso mode somewhat resembles his Bayhem movie body? Not sure if that's an intention nod.

I don't have an issue with the use of CW Hot Spot into a new version of Inferno. Sure, it isn't perfect and I have a few variations of the mold already, but it's a pretty obvious use of the mold and many of us like more combiner options. I have been very tempted to paint up my own versions of Ratchet (haven't wanted to pay for the Takara set, but leaning towards it), Hoist, Bluestreak (missed the Club release, sadly) and Sideswipe. I imagine I'm not alone in that interest. They seemed like very obvious releases Hasbro could have added at little cost.

Likewise, I have a third-party Elita-1 but I like the Primes mold, even if the forearms are bulky. Again, it isn't perfect, but I definitely will add it to my collection, like the vast majority of this upcoming line. I wanted more Combiner Wars when the series ended. I like a lot of the less popular characters that were addressed with Titans Return, but I'm ready and eager for a continuation of the CW series. If some of the molds aren't precisely the way I'd design them, that's fine; they aren't nearly what I would have paid for a third-Party figure, let alone one with combiner port options. They're still very nice additions to most collections--most importantly, mine

Hmmm, I just noticed from some of the photos that it looks like the combiners hands that come with the deluxes are going to be color matched to some of the plastic on the actual deluxe figures.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. While it may make for a more cohesive arm, it may also look like crap when you are using the 2 unused hands from the leg bots to fill out the voyager torso.

This is fine for Jazz and the dinobots, who's combiner hands are black. But Moonracer, Rippersnapper, Dreadwind and Blackwing all have different colors on each of theirs.

I think Perfect Effect will be getting a bit of business from this line.

megatronus wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

ExciKaiser wrote:Even the beast mode is only silverbolt on fours.

Not quite, what Hun-Gurr uses for front beast legs doesn't exist on Silverbolt. They had to add parts for the front beast legs since Silverbolt/Hun-Gurr's robot legs become his dragon heads.

Is Sandstorm a retool of Springer?

The consensus is yes.

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If the glove fits, you must acquit!

I believe you completely missed my point. I was saying Hun-Gurr simply cannot be Silverbolt on all fours, because 2 of the 4 are up in the air.

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:A retool means shared parts with new molding.

No, that is NOT the definition of a retool, it never was.

Here is the ONLY definition for a retool that is legitimate:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

Any definition beyond that is entirely particular to you as a fan and in no way legitimate. That is the definition for Hasbro and the toy industry. Notice 0 mention of shared parts. And even then, all combiner components have a shared part, the combiner ports, so those fan definitions are still utterly useless.
A mold can be modified entirely and it would still be a retool. And TF molds have a bunch of pieces, so it could be they use the mold for some pieces, modify them and then add other new pieces. There is still a retooled element in there.

The main idea is that a toy must come from an existing mold and since we all have 0 clue as to what went on in the background at hasrbo (like, did they take the silverbolt mold and tweak it totally, or did they never look at silverbolt and just make this guy from scratch) then NONE of us have the answer and NONE of us are right or can affirm to be right over an other. That is why this discussion is so **** tedious every **** time. There is no answer, its what you think.

So, short story, if you think its a retool, then its a retool. If you dont, then it isnt, TO YOU.

That's ridiculous. Calling something a retool when it's not is ignorance and it just spreads more ignorance. There's plenty of people who won't buy retools because 1. they thinks it's lazy or 2. They already one mold of the figure and don't want to buy it again. Going around saying hun-grrr is a retool spreads that idea when in fact he's not because he doesn't share anything expect shared engineering for gestalt.

Damnit, double post.

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:A retool means shared parts with new molding.

No, that is NOT the definition of a retool, it never was.

Here is the ONLY definition for a retool that is legitimate:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

Any definition beyond that is entirely particular to you as a fan and in no way legitimate. That is the definition for Hasbro and the toy industry. Notice 0 mention of shared parts. And even then, all combiner components have a shared part, the combiner ports, so those fan definitions are still utterly useless.
A mold can be modified entirely and it would still be a retool. And TF molds have a bunch of pieces, so it could be they use the mold for some pieces, modify them and then add other new pieces. There is still a retooled element in there.

The main idea is that a toy must come from an existing mold and since we all have 0 clue as to what went on in the background at hasrbo (like, did they take the silverbolt mold and tweak it totally, or did they never look at silverbolt and just make this guy from scratch) then NONE of us have the answer and NONE of us are right or can affirm to be right over an other. That is why this discussion is so **** tedious every **** time. There is no answer, its what you think.

So, short story, if you think its a retool, then its a retool. If you dont, then it isnt, TO YOU.

That's ridiculous. Calling something a retool when it's not is ignorance and it just spreads more ignorance. There's plenty of people who won't buy retools because 1. they thinks it's lazy or 2. They already one mold of the figure and don't want to buy it again. Going around saying hun-grrr is a retool spreads that idea when in fact he's not because he doesn't share anything expect shared engineering for gestalt.

WJ88 went to the effort to actually put a definition to the word - you have not yet done so, so it's somewhat difficult to assess your response.

Shared engineering is half of it; much of it, in my mind at least, has to do with the development process, as Will laid out. If Silverbolt was a starting point for Hun-Grr, and they altered the molding of pieces to give him that healthy Hun-Grr look, that counts as a substantial retool, similar to how Sandstorm is substantially different from Springer, or Sharkticon Megatron is substantially different from the PRID version. If Silverbolt was not the starting point, then perhaps Hun-Grr is not a retool.

However, given the way these things are planned, I think it's reasonable to assume, and even likely as a matter of fact, that Silverbolt was a starting point for Hun-Grr. That, in combination with all of the identical internal mechanics, makes Hun-Grr a retool. If you want a more intensive term, reshell.

Speaking of sharing things...Jazz(& probably others too) has the same combiner peg carried over from the CW figs, so at least the combiner mechanics share that same system

So...as soon as I end work on Friday afternoon all these new pics surface heh...Some nice ones too. I'm glad the whole G2 Defensor/Inferno issue got cleared up. I was going to freak out if they actually did release G2 Defensor after I already got rid of my other G2 combiners.

But I think the initial confusion was caused, because, at least for me, I'd hoped the new Autobot combiner would have a new head, not just a repaint of Defensors. I mean most of the combiners got unique heads, and even fixed Computron when just slapped Superions head on theirs.

It's kind of like Elia-1 & Starscream -whenever their combiner's are revealed I don't expect them to have the same head sculpt (of course I could be wrong...) . But great pics overall during the weekend. I cant wait to see more.

megatronus wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:A retool means shared parts with new molding.

No, that is NOT the definition of a retool, it never was.

Here is the ONLY definition for a retool that is legitimate:

A Retool is a toy that has been created by modifying an existing mold to give it new features. This enables companies to create new toys without producing an entirely new mold from scratch.

Any definition beyond that is entirely particular to you as a fan and in no way legitimate. That is the definition for Hasbro and the toy industry. Notice 0 mention of shared parts. And even then, all combiner components have a shared part, the combiner ports, so those fan definitions are still utterly useless.
A mold can be modified entirely and it would still be a retool. And TF molds have a bunch of pieces, so it could be they use the mold for some pieces, modify them and then add other new pieces. There is still a retooled element in there.

The main idea is that a toy must come from an existing mold and since we all have 0 clue as to what went on in the background at hasrbo (like, did they take the silverbolt mold and tweak it totally, or did they never look at silverbolt and just make this guy from scratch) then NONE of us have the answer and NONE of us are right or can affirm to be right over an other. That is why this discussion is so **** tedious every **** time. There is no answer, its what you think.

So, short story, if you think its a retool, then its a retool. If you dont, then it isnt, TO YOU.

That's ridiculous. Calling something a retool when it's not is ignorance and it just spreads more ignorance. There's plenty of people who won't buy retools because 1. they thinks it's lazy or 2. They already one mold of the figure and don't want to buy it again. Going around saying hun-grrr is a retool spreads that idea when in fact he's not because he doesn't share anything expect shared engineering for gestalt.

WJ88 went to the effort to actually put a definition to the word - you have not yet done so, so it's somewhat difficult to assess your response.

Shared engineering is half of it; much of it, in my mind at least, has to do with the development process, as Will laid out. If Silverbolt was a starting point for Hun-Grr, and they altered the molding of pieces to give him that healthy Hun-Grr look, that counts as a substantial retool, similar to how Sandstorm is substantially different from Springer, or Sharkticon Megatron is substantially different from the PRID version. If Silverbolt was not the starting point, then perhaps Hun-Grr is not a retool.

However, given the way these things are planned, I think it's reasonable to assume, and even likely as a matter of fact, that Silverbolt was a starting point for Hun-Grr. That, in combination with all of the identical internal mechanics, makes Hun-Grr a retool. If you want a more intensive term, reshell.

Then I guess we better count every titan master a retool and also TR Chromdome is a retool of dead end and while we're at it all the terrorcons are retools from combiner Wars figures because their legs fold up similar with arms to the side and some part goes to the back. Classics Jazz is a retool from 84 one because they transform almost the same. We better say the combiner Wars hotshot mold is a retool of motor master because the legs become the thighs and you fold up the arms for the torso mode. Yup we gotta count it all now

Sabrblade wrote:I'm not sure what it is, but something about Slug's dino mode looks a little off.

Head and tail are stumpy, back legs are incredibly thin. The saving in plastic puts Slags proportions off.

I just realized that the new hand piece gimmick essentially makes every deluxe a breast master. Combiners. Breastmasters. Liokaiser.

steals_your_goats wrote:I just realized that the new hand piece gimmick essentially makes every deluxe a breast master. Combiners. Breastmasters. Liokaiser.

I was thinking more like a Powermaster, albeit with spark symbols instead of engines.

Though, "Breastmaster" isn't what the Breastforce members were called.

Sabrblade wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I just realized that the new hand piece gimmick essentially makes every deluxe a breast master. Combiners. Breastmasters. Liokaiser.

I was thinking more like a Powermaster, albeit with spark symbols instead of engines.

Though, "Breastmaster" isn't what the Breastforce members were called.

I knew breastmaster didn't sound right. Still the potp gimmick could very easily be switched for the breastforce one.

yeah, some part of me hopes Hasbro is throwing us a bone by finding a way to SOMEHOW release a g2 Defensor. With an orange cycle we are ever closer to just that. First Aid is close enough with a little touch ups, but I TRULY hope they can squeeze out a black police car and a blue/purple copter. Those would look amazing.

Randomhero wrote:Then I guess we better count every titan master a retool and also TR Chromdome is a retool of dead end and while we're at it all the terrorcons are retools from combiner Wars figures because their legs fold up similar with arms to the side and some part goes to the back. Classics Jazz is a retool from 84 one because they transform almost the same. We better say the combiner Wars hotshot mold is a retool of motor master because the legs become the thighs and you fold up the arms for the torso mode. Yup we gotta count it all now

You seem to be getting a bit hysterical here.

I would say that the Titan Master bodies are, by definitions, retooled. The larger robot faces complicate that calculus, but in theory, yes.

I do think TR Chromdome is largely a retool of Dead End, with some additional parts, minus a combiner peg. Actually, because the functionality is so radically different, an argument can be made that Dead End 'inspired' the design of Chromedome rather than constituted a starting point. Hard to say without official word from Hasbro, but if Chromedome, with his radically different gimmick and hence somewhat different engineering, could be seen as a retool, than for sure Hun-Grr, who shares an identical gimmick and functionality to Silverbolt, would be defined as a retool.

RTS Jazz and CW Hot Shot are clearly not retools. By no definition presented here would that be the case. Way to twist my words and reach for the stars!