Masterpiece MP-19 Smokescreen In-Hand Images
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Thanks to site sponsor Kapow! Toys we have a look at the third use of the MP-17 mold, in the guise of MP-19 Smokescreen. The images, mirrored below for those of you without Facebook access, show the figure by itself and next to other MP figures for comparison, including MP-10, 17 and 18.
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Posted 14 hours agoPosted by DevastaTTor on June 12th, 2013 @ 6:31am CDT
Posted by hinomars19 on June 12th, 2013 @ 6:51am CDT
Yes, please and thank you!
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on June 12th, 2013 @ 7:12am CDT
I absolutely love his alt mode, though.
Posted by AutoBorst on June 12th, 2013 @ 7:23am CDT
Posted by Ravage XK on June 12th, 2013 @ 7:48am CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:11am CDT
Posted by mooncake623 on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:34am CDT
Posted by Eagleblaster on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:48am CDT
Posted by Rated X on June 12th, 2013 @ 9:24am CDT
Posted by Eagleblaster on June 12th, 2013 @ 10:24am CDT
Congrads to Takara for making me have to make this decision to avoid any toy stress, lol. So its official. This will be the first time I'm buying two figures from the same mold. Mp Smokescreen and mp Prowl...
Only the best of the best over here.
Posted by Cyberpath on June 12th, 2013 @ 12:15pm CDT
Yeah!
Posted by jamarmiller on June 12th, 2013 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by TimothyR on June 12th, 2013 @ 1:10pm CDT
Not getting prowl because you have barricade is probably the strangest reason I've ever heard.
I don't quite understand the "I'm only going to buy one of this mold" mentality. G1 was built on repaints.
Anyways. Smokescreen looks perfect, I love the head. Each head give each character it's own personality, it's fantastic.
Posted by DetoxRetox on June 12th, 2013 @ 2:11pm CDT
Posted by MGrotusque on June 12th, 2013 @ 3:01pm CDT
Rated X wrote:He looks great but the figure scales horrible with MP Prime. He almost looks like a mini-bot standing face to face with Prime’s groin area. MP scale has become a joke, as they seem to be focus more on the vehicles scale with each other rather than the robots. Seems stupid if you’re shooting for cartoon accuracy. Ill stick with classics.
I believe "horrible" is a little strong of a word. Your exaggerating.
Posted by Sabrblade on June 12th, 2013 @ 4:51pm CDT
It's X, what'd ya expect?MGrotusque wrote:Rated X wrote:He looks great but the figure scales horrible with MP Prime. He almost looks like a mini-bot standing face to face with Prime’s groin area. MP scale has become a joke, as they seem to be focus more on the vehicles scale with each other rather than the robots. Seems stupid if you’re shooting for cartoon accuracy. Ill stick with classics.
I believe "horrible" is a little strong of a word. Your exaggerating.
Anyway, this is why Smokescreen's that tall with Prime:
Second-to-bottom row, third character from the left is Smokescreen.
If anything, the MP toy is even taller than how Smokescreen's official scale in the cartoon was, since the cartoon model's head and guns came up to Prime's waist, while the toy's head and guns go above Prime's waist.
Posted by Skullcrunchberries on June 12th, 2013 @ 5:14pm CDT
Posted by Son of Carl on June 12th, 2013 @ 5:30pm CDT
TimothyR wrote:Man, I don't know how some of you guys can just get one of these, they look incredible together.
Not getting prowl because you have barricade is probably the strangest reason I've ever heard.
I don't quite understand the "I'm only going to buy one of this mold" mentality. G1 was built on repaints.
Anyways. Smokescreen looks perfect, I love the head. Each head give each character it's own personality, it's fantastic.
I can understand financial reasons, but beyond that, I agree with you. I think all these figures look great together, and different enough from each other that the fact that they share a base mold isn't overwhelmingly obvious. I will be buying every pre-movie MP that they release, especially if it's Reflector. I have my vintage collection, but this is the only new Transformers line that I collect(though I do have a few TFP figures). Masterpiece is actually the line that got me back into collecting Transformers, and now after so many years of waiting, it's finally becoming the line that I was hoping it would be way back then.
Posted by Stormrider on June 12th, 2013 @ 6:20pm CDT
Rated X wrote:He looks great but the figure scales horrible with MP Prime. He almost looks like a mini-bot standing face to face with Prime’s groin area. MP scale has become a joke, as they seem to be focus more on the vehicles scale with each other rather than the robots. Seems stupid if you’re shooting for cartoon accuracy. Ill stick with classics.
I hear what you are saying Rated X, it does seem that way, but the designers did say that they were trying very hard to make both the robot and alt modes in scale with the cartoons.
At first, I did not like the results. But now, I have gotten used it and appreciate the size difference more and more. Let's face it, Prime's a truck, his bot mode should tower over his fellow Autobots who transform into cars. I like the fact that Prime is much bigger than Sideswipe.
I have been getting into the IDW comics, so maybe my perspective has gotten skewed, but I think Cyberpath's comparison below is spot on.
Cyberpath wrote:
Yeah!
Posted by Wh33l Jck on June 12th, 2013 @ 7:52pm CDT
He looks so cartoon accurate in robot mode!
Posted by padfoo on June 12th, 2013 @ 8:33pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on June 13th, 2013 @ 1:02am CDT
Sure Optimus was portrayed as being huge a lot. But there were plenty of times the vehicle scale was ignored and the Autobots were given a more human like scale instead of midgets and giants.
The Decepticons always seemed to be more or less around the same height. And when they fought the Autobot cars head on in robot mode, the seekers and Soundwave were usually just a little taller. And isn’t Prime supposed to be the same height as Megatron ?
For all of you who think Hasbro’s MP scale based on car sizes is perfect, don’t ever expect to see MP Mini-bots. In real life a VW Beetle isn’t that much bigger than a Porsche or a Datsun. And would a truck like Huffer the same size as a VW Beetle even be possible? I think not. The MP scale isn’t so great. Classics scales are a lot more fun to display in groups. MP Scale looks better alone on a coffee table for your all time favorite character. And that’s my opinion, I’m not trying to push it as a fact.
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on June 13th, 2013 @ 2:13am CDT
Rated X wrote:For all of you who think Hasbro’s MP scale based on car sizes is perfect, don’t ever expect to see MP Mini-bots. In real life a VW Beetle isn’t that much bigger than a Porsche or a Datsun. And would a truck like Huffer the same size as a VW Beetle even be possible? I think not.
You make an interesting point. Furthermore, the G1 cartoon's scale-accuracy to real life vehicles were also hampered by the fact that toys from which the cartoon was based on, came from different toylines that had nothing to do with each other.
IIRC, the Microman line was supposed to consist of robots that transformed into 1:1 scale objects like guns and micro-cassette players, and had its own unique storyline.
Huffer, Bee, Brawn, Gears, Windcharger and Cliffjumper were from the Choro-Q line of super-deformed cars. These weren't even meant to scale in with each other.
In short, they used the sizes of the toys in relation to each other as reference points for the cartoon...toys from completely different lines back when they were released as Takara products.
Posted by TimothyR on June 13th, 2013 @ 2:16am CDT
Son of Carl wrote:TimothyR wrote:Man, I don't know how some of you guys can just get one of these, they look incredible together.
Not getting prowl because you have barricade is probably the strangest reason I've ever heard.
I don't quite understand the "I'm only going to buy one of this mold" mentality. G1 was built on repaints.
Anyways. Smokescreen looks perfect, I love the head. Each head give each character it's own personality, it's fantastic.
I can understand financial reasons, but beyond that, I agree with you. I think all these figures look great together, and different enough from each other that the fact that they share a base mold isn't overwhelmingly obvious. I will be buying every pre-movie MP that they release, especially if it's Reflector. I have my vintage collection, but this is the only new Transformers line that I collect(though I do have a few TFP figures). Masterpiece is actually the line that got me back into collecting Transformers, and now after so many years of waiting, it's finally becoming the line that I was hoping it would be way back then.
I totally forgot to mention that I understand financial reasons. My bad.
I collect other lines.. But the masterpiece line is my absolute favorite.. Ever since MP10, takara has really been doing an incredible job. I enjoy all of the MP releases, but lately, they've all been perfect.
I hope that someday I'll be able to own all of the G1 characters in masterpiece form. (At least the ones that were on the show)
Posted by Eagleblaster on June 13th, 2013 @ 11:00am CDT
Mp Prowl is the best of the trio cause he just looks and seems like the better Hero toy. I'm saving my money for realistic transformers from now on mainly pertaining to movie figures. The only figures that got on my collection this year was: Mp-17, Beast Hunters voyager Predaking, legion tp Smokescreen and Dotm HA Skids.
Posted by Cyberpath on June 13th, 2013 @ 2:55pm CDT
Floro Dery designed the second season Autobots closer to the toys. Perhaps to make the cast appear more diverse. And I think it worked -- I didn't know that Smokescreen and Prowl (or for that matter, Trailbreaker & Hoist; Sideswipe & Red Alert) shared the same toy mold until years later.
Regarding scale. AKOM, in their three episodes, seemed to follow the size chart that Sabrblade posted earlier more closely.
(As a kid, I did notice that they looked fairly smaller in those episodes.)
The exact height difference between Optimus Prime and the rest of the Autobots wasn't always consistent throughout the series; but, what usually was, was that Prime (and I suppose, Blaster) were the tallest; followed by other truck/van characters like Inferno/Grapple/Ironhide/Ratchet/Trailbreaker; then the sports cars with the misc characters like Preceptor/Warpath/Powerglide; then lastly, the "mini" bots.
(Of course when I say Prime was the tallest Autobot, I mean after unusual characters like Omega Supreme, Skyfire, the Dinobots etc.)
I pulled a couple of grabs from memory from my DVDs for illustration.
I think Takara balanced between the alt & root modes rather nicely with the Masterpiece Autobots so far. Initially, when I saw photos of MP-12 next to MP-10, Sideswipe looked a little small to me. I will have a better feel after I get the Nissanbots. They look fantastic!
Posted by Stormrider on June 13th, 2013 @ 3:53pm CDT
Rated X wrote:For all of you who think Hasbro’s MP scale based on car sizes is perfect, don’t ever expect to see MP Mini-bots. In real life a VW Beetle isn’t that much bigger than a Porsche or a Datsun. And would a truck like Huffer the same size as a VW Beetle even be possible? I think not. The MP scale isn’t so great. Classics scales are a lot more fun to display in groups. MP Scale looks better alone on a coffee table for your all time favorite character. And that’s my opinion, I’m not trying to push it as a fact.
I would be very interested in seeing Takara do the Minibots in MP style. They talked about plans for MP Huffer but scrapped it b/c of costs. I don't see why they couldn't engineer a figure so the robot mode would be smaller than it's alt mode. I would expect that Huffer's alt mode would not be the same size Prime's alt mode. Huffer's alt mode was much smaller in the show, as were most Minibots.
Posted by REMINATOR on June 14th, 2013 @ 3:17pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:
That is good scaling, what episode is this from Cyberpath?
Posted by Cyberpath on June 14th, 2013 @ 3:26pm CDT
The Autobot Run.REMINATOR wrote:That is good scaling, what episode is this from Cyberpath?
Posted by REMINATOR on June 14th, 2013 @ 3:28pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:The Autobot Run.REMINATOR wrote:That is good scaling, what episode is this from Cyberpath?
thanks man,
Posted by Sabrblade on June 14th, 2013 @ 3:31pm CDT
Yeah, look at how tall Sunstreaker (Sideswipe's twin, btw) is compared to Prime. This is pretty much how the Masterpiece toys reflect the cartoon scale.REMINATOR wrote:Cyberpath wrote:
That is good scaling,
Posted by Eagleblaster on June 14th, 2013 @ 3:37pm CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on June 14th, 2013 @ 4:02pm CDT
No problem!REMINATOR wrote:thanks man,
This is just my impression, but pre-ordering a Masterpiece toy strikes me as a win-win situation for the buyer.Eagleblaster wrote:I flip flopped again and preordered Mp Smokescreen again after cancelling the the initial preorder I made. I'm getting mp Prowl but if I can successfully get Smokes for 60$ then I'm going with that. Smokescreen is the weakest if the bunch but his car mode looks not bad and it seems rite now its the "Hot Toy". And plus i don't want everyone to get one and be so happy with it and leave me felling left out.
If you end up liking the toy, good, you won't have to pay through the nose for it later on eBay (or "window shop." oh, Sideswipe, why do you taunt me?)
And if you end up not liking it, you could always auction it on eBay a few weeks or months later; likely earning enough to pre-order the next 2-3 Masterpieces.
(I've never auctioned anything myself, but I see what goes on there with the MP line. Wild.)
Posted by Eagleblaster on June 14th, 2013 @ 5:09pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:No problem!REMINATOR wrote:thanks man,This is just my impression, but pre-ordering a Masterpiece toy strikes me as a win-win situation for the buyer.Eagleblaster wrote:I flip flopped again and preordered Mp Smokescreen again after cancelling the the initial preorder I made. I'm getting mp Prowl but if I can successfully get Smokes for 60$ then I'm going with that. Smokescreen is the weakest if the bunch but his car mode looks not bad and it seems rite now its the "Hot Toy". And plus i don't want everyone to get one and be so happy with it and leave me felling left out.
If you end up liking the toy, good, you won't have to pay through the nose for it later on eBay (or "window shop." oh, Sideswipe, why do you taunt me?)
And if you end up not liking it, you could always auction it on eBay a few weeks or months later; likely earning enough to pre-order the next 2-3 Masterpieces.
(I've never auctioned anything myself, but I see what goes on there with the MP line. Wild.)
Yeah you are rite about that. Im still kindof regretting not buying mp-10 when I saw it on toysrus.com for retail price. Now they he having these smaller masterpieces looking good and scaled nicely next to mp-10.