Listings for 2022 Legacy and Studio Series Lines include Dragon Megatron, Tarantulas and More

The $9.99 figures will be just like the core class figures we got for Kingdom, I'm guessing. This is probably good news for those who couldn't find core class Soundwave anywhere. It's probably even the same figure just repackaged.

Several of the names and sizes are puzzling for sure. Does TF7 Wheelie pretty much confirm he will be in Rise of the Beasts? Will it be a new character homaging annoying TFTM Wheelie, or Perverted Tom Kenney ( which I guess would be a Decepticon in the 90s?) Wheelie?

Also I agree with others with my bewilderment with Core Class. I mean Rattrap and the 2 skeleton Dino's (since they have no previous fiction), could work in continuity, and I get the OG characters are nice to have a more budget friendly version for parents to get for kids (that is out of continuity), but to start doing core class for SS86 is definitely a nonsensical decision to me.

Armada Starscream?!


I'm hyped! Hoping for Armada Optimus and Armada Megatron with SIEGE ports!

So new Stunticons are pretty much confirmed... They'd better be toy-accurate compared to the CW ones, and be compatible with CW and PotP

o.supreme wrote:
Also I agree with others with my bewilderment with Core Class. I mean Rattrap and the 2 skeleton Dino's (since they have no previous fiction), could work in continuity, and I get the OG characters are nice to have a more budget friendly version for parents to get for kids (that is out of continuity), but to start doing core class for SS86 is definitely a nonsensical decision to me.

My guess is that this is due to a couple things:
First, I think it's a fair statement that SS86 is doing well. Possibly extremely well. Blurr has been the only figure that I'd even consider to be a peg-warmer, and even that is probably a stretch.
Secondly, Hastak could be trying to stretch this subline further than originally anticipated.
Because Core class being added (especially now) doesn't seem like a move that points to slowing down or trying to bow-out, so to speak.

Nemesis Primal wrote:-Core Energon Monster (the presence of Armada Screamer strengthens my theory that this is some kind of Energon Terrorcon if it isn't something completely new like the Fossilizers)

My current theory is that "Energon Monsters" are Core class Weaponisers / Battlemasters / Armour. We know there's a Pretender homage in Legacy so this will probably that. I'm betting they'll be transparent "energon" figures of the Pretender shells that can be taken apart and put on Deluxe figures. There's also rumours of "Energon Hunters" which I'm guessing are the Autobot pretender shells.

If the Decepticon shells are relegated to Core class exclusivity while the Autobots get Deluxe+ I will be incredibly pissed. Autobot Pretenders are incredibly worse than Decepticon Pretenders.

Some of the guys over on TFW are thinking/hoping that SS86 Ratchet is a typo & it's actually Ratbat or Rewind to go with Rumble. I could definitely go for another Ratbat.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Some of the guys over on TFW are thinking/hoping that SS86 Ratchet is a typo & it's actually Ratbat or Rewind to go with Rumble. I could definitely go for another Ratbat.

They're just coping

Some deluxe sized Insecticons would be nice...

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:So new Stunticons are pretty much confirmed... They'd better be toy-accurate compared to the CW ones, and be compatible with CW and PotP

They had better look, perform, and BE exactly the way I imagine them!

I wouldn't be interested in new Stunticons, but if they are compatible with the generations combiner system already established, that would make it sting far less.

Tarantulas, Inferno and Dragon Megatron? A Bulkhead? YESSSS!

Dragstrip feels a bit odd since Combiner Wars was just five years or so ago. I hope he's compatible with previous combiners, it'd be very stupid if he wasn't.

o.supreme wrote:Several of the names and sizes are puzzling for sure. Does TF7 Wheelie pretty much confirm he will be in Rise of the Beasts? Will it be a new character homaging annoying TFTM Wheelie, or Perverted Tom Kenney ( which I guess would be a Decepticon in the 90s?) Wheelie?

Also I agree with others with my bewilderment with Core Class. I mean Rattrap and the 2 skeleton Dino's (since they have no previous fiction), could work in continuity, and I get the OG characters are nice to have a more budget friendly version for parents to get for kids (that is out of continuity), but to start doing core class for SS86 is definitely a nonsensical decision to me.

Wouldnt SS 86 core class simply be a continuation of what we've seen in Kingdom with Optimus, Starscream, Megatron and Soudwave? More G1 characters in that scale.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Some of the guys over on TFW are thinking/hoping that SS86 Ratchet is a typo & it's actually Ratbat or Rewind to go with Rumble. I could definitely go for another Ratbat.

This makes more sense…
I could see Rewind to battle Rumble. & Blaster has pretty much been confirmed.

I’m so anxious to see what the combining system is…
It would be nice if it’s the same as CW. As long as size matches well, I could see people getting new figures they feel have been improved enough.
IF it’s a new system, I’m betting more combiners will be on the way;
Hastak is going to cash in on that new engineering.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Some of the guys over on TFW are thinking/hoping that SS86 Ratchet is a typo & it's actually Ratbat or Rewind to go with Rumble. I could definitely go for another Ratbat.

Weren't there a bunch available for cheap on e-bay this past year? By cheap I mean less than $20

Autobot N wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Some of the guys over on TFW are thinking/hoping that SS86 Ratchet is a typo & it's actually Ratbat or Rewind to go with Rumble. I could definitely go for another Ratbat.

They're just coping

LMAO

Core DOTM Lazerbeak, that’s awesome! We already got a normal one with Soundwave, maybe it’s his pink Bumblebee mode? That’d be cool.

I am curious how it will scale though, because the existing Lazerbeak, which is properly scaled, is really tiny.

Overall though, really pumped we’re getting SS core class!

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Core DOTM Lazerbeak, that’s awesome! We already got a normal one with Soundwave, maybe it’s his pink Bumblebee mode? That’d be cool.

I am curious how it will scale though, because the existing Lazerbeak, which is properly scaled, is really tiny.

Overall though, really pumped we’re getting SS core class!

Right? It's probably going to mostly be Blaster cassettes, but I hope this means we might get Frenzy and some appliance bots down the line. Or Dispensor!

Also, I just noticed that Core class Ratchet is probably going to be the first G1 styled Ratchet that's not an exclusive in like a decade, right?

So far it looks like the Stunticons are still the only figures on my "interested" list. With that much rumored "Masterpiece" Cliffjumper being on my "Please make it a thing, TakaraTomy!" list.

Knowing my luck... The Stunticons will be G1 accurate with Hasbro also announcing the same same for their Aerialbots, and I will be dealing with a situation that prevents me from getting both.

Then again, I thought by now I'd have my business cards made just in case I managed to revisit TakaraTomy's office.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Inferno & Cybershark are my favorite Beast Wars characters. I hope they make Inferno & I have no hope of anybody even remembering Cybershark exists.

Nobody cares about characters that didn't appear in the show.

I absolutely adore Cybershark! The hammerhead not the transmetal version that was repainted into Sky Byte. The torpedoes that shoot out of his chest, the switchblade tail, the hammer that can double as a projectile as well, his jack o Lantern looking head. And the hammerhead alt mode is awesome! I still have my Cybershark but an update would be so awesome

Nemesis Primal wrote:So for those who would rather read it here than follow the TFW link and scroll through multiple pages (and so I can get it all together & concise to send it to news), now we're up to having:
Legacy:
-Leader Dragon/TM2 Megatron
-Voyager Bulkhead
-Voyager Armada Starscream (UT IS BACK ON THE MENU)
-Voyager Blaster (has a separate Kingdom listing that was reported before, so repack)
-Voyager Inferno (presumably BW Inferno considering the leaks/rumors, but the listing doesn't specify)
-Deluxe Tarantulas
-Deluxe Skids
-Deluxe Dragstrip
-Deluxe Kickback
-Deluxe Silverstreak (different numbering than other Deluxes, likely an exclusive)
-Core Soundwave (Kingdom repack)
-Core Energon Monster (the presence of Armada Screamer strengthens my theory that this is some kind of Energon Terrorcon if it isn't something completely new like the Fossilizers)

Studio Series:
-Core 86 Ratchet
-Core 86 Rumble
-Core DotM Laserbeak
-Core TF7 Wheelie (???)
-Core Bumblebee movie Ravage

-Dragon Megatron is cool to fight potp Optimal Optimus but man I hate the design on his head. They just copied and pasted his original face on the dragon body and it looks so out of place to me. Optimus Primal got different heads with every upgrade, Megatron not so much
-Bulkhead will probably be an instant buy for me. Unless he looks like a green Optimus prime. I hope those rumors aren't true and it's just confusion
-Armada Starscream should be interesting! I still have my Dirge from the old voyager mold
-Blaster is a definite buy. Hope he gets more cassettes
-Inferno if BW is a maybe for me
-I definitely want Tarantulas if he looks good
-Kickback, interesting! Might get him
-Silverstreak/ blue bluestreak is a maybe for me

-Core ratchet? Lame for me but hopefully cool for others
-rumble? For what? More Blaster cassettes would be better, and in Kingdom. Use Core studio series for all the mini bots in ROTF or something
-tf7 wheelie? Hmmmmmmm

Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself. I mean it was a little fun while it lasted, but now I’m looking back to a bunch of characters that all transform in the same basic way, made with the same basic chest and a whole bunch of other cheap sacrifices to accommodate the combining system they went with. Not to mention that they didn’t even come together to make sturdy or very good looking combiners. So Why on EARTH is everyone here (seemingly out of nowhere) hoping so badly that these new ones use the same god forbidden system? Whereas they could likely create a WAY better one since the conception of SS and WFC and their superior engineering. not a bash on everyone, but I genuinely don’t get what everyone is thinking here?

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself. I mean it was a little fun while it lasted, but now I’m looking back to a bunch of characters that all transform in the same basic way, made with the same basic chest and a whole bunch of other cheap sacrifices to accommodate the combining system they went with. Not to mention that they didn’t even come together to make sturdy or very good looking combiners. So Why on EARTH is everyone here (seemingly out of nowhere) hoping so badly that these new ones use the same god forbidden system? Whereas they could likely create a WAY better one since the conception of SS and WFC and their superior engineering. not a bash on everyone, but I genuinely don’t get what everyone is thinking here?

CW itself was an incredibly flawed toyline. The problem wasn't the combiner knobs, it was the engineering. Ratchets were all sorts of crap in CW and the lack of ankles on the combiners made them unstable.

Now that QC and engineering have improved since Prime Wars and we're getting fewer combiner components (and hopefully with Motormaster taking the Hands and feet) we should expect the system to work far better. Wanting to scrap the combiner knob system would be like wanting to scrap the Titanmaster connection (which was equally flawed in its first appearances)

Last listing update for the day: Voltrace found a Legacy Arcee listing, presumably for the Prime Arcee that the leakers have discussed previously.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Several of the names and sizes are puzzling for sure. Does TF7 Wheelie pretty much confirm he will be in Rise of the Beasts? Will it be a new character homaging annoying TFTM Wheelie, or Perverted Tom Kenney ( which I guess would be a Decepticon in the 90s?) Wheelie?

Also I agree with others with my bewilderment with Core Class. I mean Rattrap and the 2 skeleton Dino's (since they have no previous fiction), could work in continuity, and I get the OG characters are nice to have a more budget friendly version for parents to get for kids (that is out of continuity), but to start doing core class for SS86 is definitely a nonsensical decision to me.

Wouldnt SS 86 core class simply be a continuation of what we've seen in Kingdom with Optimus, Starscream, Megatron and Soudwave? More G1 characters in that scale.

And assuming that is the case, that makes Ratchet the perfect choice for the next Core release, regardless of the people complaining that he isn't a bigger new SS86 figure, since Ratchet has had a hand/role in every new piece of TF media since the 2007 movie. Of course Hasbro would want a character with that much recent presence in the mini-line of affordable big-name characters, even if the hardcore collectors would prefer otherwise.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Some of the guys over on TFW are thinking/hoping that SS86 Ratchet is a typo & it's actually Ratbat or Rewind to go with Rumble. I could definitely go for another Ratbat.

This makes more sense…
I could see Rewind to battle Rumble. & Blaster has pretty much been confirmed.

The leakers have said that Blaster comes with Eject, so I would be willing to believe that Rewind would then be more likely to come packaged with a Blaster repaint rather than as a separate release.

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself. I mean it was a little fun while it lasted, but now I’m looking back to a bunch of characters that all transform in the same basic way, made with the same basic chest and a whole bunch of other cheap sacrifices to accommodate the combining system they went with. Not to mention that they didn’t even come together to make sturdy or very good looking combiners. So Why on EARTH is everyone here (seemingly out of nowhere) hoping so badly that these new ones use the same god forbidden system? Whereas they could likely create a WAY better one since the conception of SS and WFC and their superior engineering. not a bash on everyone, but I genuinely don’t get what everyone is thinking here?

Simple: People want a new Motormaster but don't want to have to also spend the money to buy all of the limbs again, especially if they end up not liking the look of the new limbs. I'm pretty sure 98% of all complaints with CW Menasor I've seen have just been that people hate Motormaster's torso mode, so having the new figure also be CW compatible is best case scenario for those individuals.

Also I've seen fans complain about individual CW/PotP figures, but not the combining system itself, that's news to me.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:My current theory is that "Energon Monsters" are Core class Weaponisers / Battlemasters / Armour. We know there's a Pretender homage in Legacy so this will probably that. I'm betting they'll be transparent "energon" figures of the Pretender shells that can be taken apart and put on Deluxe figures. There's also rumours of "Energon Hunters" which I'm guessing are the Autobot pretender shells.

If the Decepticon shells are relegated to Core class exclusivity while the Autobots get Deluxe+ I will be incredibly pissed. Autobot Pretenders are incredibly worse than Decepticon Pretenders.

...my only issue with this theory is that Apollux (the guy responsible for a lot of the early Kingdom leaks, as well as this Pretender rumor) was specific that there were only 2 Pretender homages and they were only in the smallest size class, so that would mean 2 Core Class Energon Monsters max and the Energon Hunters would have to all be bigger and be something completely different. It's possible, but I feel like a more likely Pretender homage would be them repainting Core Megatron into Bludgeon's inner bot, or something. Having Pretender armor Weaponizers does sound like a neat concept though, I'm cool with anything that could get me an updated transforming Octopunch with a bot mode based off his shell design.

Apollux also mentioned when they said about the Deluxe Class ones that all of these Energon Hunters/Monsters may have brightly-tinted see-through Energon weaponry, which is the other part that really screams "Energon Omnibots/Terrorcons" at me.

This all sounds fantastic! Definitely getting Armada Starscream, Bulkhaed, Tarantulas and Inferno, but I'll wait to see what Blaster and Drag Strip look like before I decide on a purchase. Seeing as we're getting Stunticons again, I do hope Aerialbots happen as well, one of my big collecting regrets is selling off my Combiner Wars Aerialbots, so it would be nice to have the team again.

I will set up a tent outside the store right now in anticipation of Dragon Megatron! Oh yeah....

So Legacy will succeed Kingdom and include TFs from various eras including more Beast Wars? This could really be great.

Very surprised (and overjoyed) they are continuing with some more non-G1 releases, though I'd wager the Inferno listed will be another prehistoric fire truck...

Good to see we'll have the Beast Wars S1 cast finished up with this line.

Nuclearxpotato wrote:

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself. I mean it was a little fun while it lasted, but now I’m looking back to a bunch of characters that all transform in the same basic way, made with the same basic chest and a whole bunch of other cheap sacrifices to accommodate the combining system they went with. Not to mention that they didn’t even come together to make sturdy or very good looking combiners. So Why on EARTH is everyone here (seemingly out of nowhere) hoping so badly that these new ones use the same god forbidden system? Whereas they could likely create a WAY better one since the conception of SS and WFC and their superior engineering. not a bash on everyone, but I genuinely don’t get what everyone is thinking here?

CW itself was an incredibly flawed toyline. The problem wasn't the combiner knobs, it was the engineering. Ratchets were all sorts of crap in CW and the lack of ankles on the combiners made them unstable.

Now that QC and engineering have improved since Prime Wars and we're getting fewer combiner components (and hopefully with Motormaster taking the Hands and feet) we should expect the system to work far better. Wanting to scrap the combiner knob system would be like wanting to scrap the Titanmaster connection (which was equally flawed in its first appearances)

I don't find any of these arguments compelling. Maybe people think they'll want to mix and match limbs across old and new now, but I bet that will be very unlikely once the figures are actually revealed. The issue isn't just the connection points; for true interoperability, the limbs would have to follow the same size format exactly. I don't think that's likely, or a worthwhile design consideration.

I expect that with Motormaster rumored as a Commander Class, they're going to take a completely different approach to the torso. Instead of an all-in-one integrated structure, he will have parts forming kibble like the original toy. My assumption is it may superficially resemble some of the unlicensed toys out there where that's built into the trailer. If they're going for animation accuracy, like I expect, it's possible that most of Menasor's frame will derive from the kibble rather than being based in the cars.

Speaking personally, my preference is definitely for a completely new, better Defensor rebuilt from the ground up than a slight update that keeps the underlying Combiner Wars system. I'm fine with the connection knobs if they don't throw it off, but it's not a priority, and I think it's silly that people are emphasizing it. Either CW/UW is good enough, or it's time to upgrade, half measures are wasted. And of course new collectors aren't going to care about consistency with toys from the last decade that fetch a fortune on the secondary market.

EVERYTHING on that list is exciting!

2022 may be a very interesting year.

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself.

I myself have always enjoyed the CW system,, flaws and all, and I've been pretty vocal about it. Those that know me, know that CW is the reason I got back into collecting. What I am absolutely bewildered by is the idea (and I'm sure I'm not the only one), of those who spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars building a rather robust combiner collection, want to toss it all out and start over again, just a few years later? I mean I understand there will be a few Icons that will get a new figure each year, (Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream etc...) and a dozen or so legacy characters that will get new characters every 2-3 years, (Datsuns, Seekers, Jazz, Ironhide, Grimlock etc...) but reasonably speaking...do we really wan to do ALL the combiners over again??? (this as arguably one of their biggest fans). I would rather see classic combiners that haven't been released yet, as well as classic characters that haven't had a modern update since the original series. Many fans want more representation from other era's as well. As arguably one of the biggest supporters of classic combiners, I'd rather have all of this than another Devastator, Superion, Menasor etc....

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Bulkhead I’m guessing will be a Prime thing a la Hades Megatron or Breakdown Air Vehicon set? First Edition maybe?

Bulkhead is rumored to share the same mold as Optimus.

Why? That is very odd. What Optimus Prime is coming that can double as a Bulkhead?

If I remember right, the current speculation is Prime Beast Hunters Optimus, since the leakers said "Prime Optimus/Bulkhead share a mold" and the Beast Hunters design is the only version of that character that could possibly make sense to share a mold with a Bulkhead.

But that makes even less sense. Prime Bulkhead looked nothing like Beast Hunters Prime. Prime Bulkead was a jeep SUV thing.


The Bulkhead that would kind of look like the Beasthunter's Prime would be Animated, but the robot mode would technically be wrong.

BH Prime


BH Bulkhead


Animated Bulkhead


BH Prime Robot


BH Bulkhead Robot


Animated Bulkhead Robot


Its a really weird thing to try to do. Use a mold for different figures from different lines that would require extensive retooling anyway.

-Kanrabat- wrote:EVERYTHING on that list is exciting!

2022 may be a very interesting year.

Agreed!!
This seems like a real attempt to reach a lot of fans & collectors.
It’ll be interesting to see how branching-out from G1 so much will work out.

Razorbeast88 wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:Inferno & Cybershark are my favorite Beast Wars characters. I hope they make Inferno & I have no hope of anybody even remembering Cybershark exists.

Nobody cares about characters that didn't appear in the show.

I absolutely adore Cybershark! The hammerhead not the transmetal version that was repainted into Sky Byte. The torpedoes that shoot out of his chest, the switchblade tail, the hammer that can double as a projectile as well, his jack o Lantern looking head. And the hammerhead alt mode is awesome! I still have my Cybershark but an update would be so awesome

Would it, though? Any modern update of Cybershark in this day and age would likely lack any and all of the special gimmicks that the original toy had and made it so great. It'd just be a barebones update with maybe one or two static accessory pieces, would probably be smaller than the original figure, and certainly wouldn't have the nice gradient paint job in shark mode with the spots made so shiny.

o.supreme wrote:

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself.

I myself have always enjoyed the CW system,, flaws and all, and I've been pretty vocal about it. Those that know me, know that CW is the reason I got back into collecting. What I am absolutely bewildered by is the idea (and I'm sure I'm not the only one), of those who spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars building a rather robust combiner collection, want to toss it all out and start over again, just a few years later? I mean I understand there will be a few Icons that will get a new figure each year, (Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream etc...) and a dozen or so legacy characters that will get new characters every 2-3 years, (Datsuns, Seekers, Jazz, Ironhide, Grimlock etc...) but reasonably speaking...do we really wan to do ALL the combiners over again??? (this as arguably one of their biggest fans). I would rather see classic combiners that haven't been released yet, as well as classic characters that haven't had a modern update since the original series. Many fans want more representation from other era's as well. As arguably one of the biggest supporters of classic combiners, I'd rather have all of this than another Devastator, Superion, Menasor etc....

What about new fans though that want those figures without paying ridiculous amounts on the 2nd hand market? I feel that redoing combiners this way going forward may be the best of both worlds. Plus a combiner a year (essentially the Studio Series Devy method) means that those that don't want it, can skip it easier

Nemesis Reformatted wrote: Nobody cares about characters that didn't appear in the show.

Um... Magnaboss and Tripredacus are my all time favorite BW characters. Also, one of the main reasons why I like BWII as an animated series is because it gave representation to many BW toys that didn't appear in the Mainframe show.

ZeroWolf wrote:What about new fans though that want those figures without paying ridiculous amounts on the 2nd hand market? I feel that redoing combiners this way going forward may be the best of both worlds. Plus a combiner a year (essentially the Studio Series Devy method) means that those that don't want it, can skip it easier

Most fans had to wait nearly 30 years the first time, as we've seen with CW Devastator, they can be reissued if demand is high enough. There are toys that have been waiting a much longer time for a modern upgrade. I don't want to use the word "pandering", but if some fans keep complaining that they "missed out" due to timing, and demand a new version of the thing that just came out a couple years ago, how long will it be until fans start demanding every toy, every year? I mean we've had 3 Astrotrains in the past decade, and the Siege/ER one is still reasonably priced and readily available on the secondary market, (it still might be on store shelves somewhere....I don't know) yet I still see some fans saying they want a new Astrotrain...

I personally missed out on T30 Metroplex. But because it was something I REALLY wanted, I bided my time, searched auctions and other sites for almost 2 years, and finally circumstances were right that I was able to attain one, just about two years ago. Now personally, this is just me. If my circumstances were different, and I wasn't able to obtain Metroplex at that time, I'd STILL be waiting, and trying/hoping to get it one day, rather then expect Hasbro to make a new one.

o.supreme wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote: Nobody cares about characters that didn't appear in the show.

Um... Magnaboss and Tripredacus are my all time favorite BW characters. Also, one of the main reasons why I like BWII as an animated series is because it gave representation to many BW toys that didn't appear in the Mainframe show.

Yeah, and Cybershark is my favorite Beast Wars character. Most of my favorite characters aren't in the shows. But majority of the fandom only cares about the shows. Whenever I mention G1 Ransack, Barrage, Venom or Chop Shop I get told that they are irrelevant because they didn't appear in the show.

So even though some of us love the non-show characters we are the minority. That's why we keep getting Kickback, Bombshell & Shrapnel over & over & over again but never the other 4 Insecticons. I wish the fans weren't like that but they are so what can we do?

We're getting to that point where I'm gonna want Hasbro to reveal stuff for Legacy before I believe anymore rumors/listings, cause it's sounding just like Kingdom did for me (too good to be true)

Regarding the rumored Menasor, I 100% believe he'll likely have the trailer that forms the skeleton of a cartoon accurate combined mode, and using the ghost of the CW system of connecting the Stunticons to it. HOWEVER, I'm also kind of thinking Motormaster himself will have his own combined configuration based on the G1 toy and Studio OX's combined mode where the Stunticons attach directly to Motormaster, and you could have the trailer transformed into the base mode of the original toy. Now, I only add that as a possibility because then that way you have the cartoon style to appeal to cartoon fans, while then also having a toy inspired variation included to appeal to people who preferred that look, or prefer having the Stunticons form actual limbs, not just attach onto a skeleton. And the way I think the individual Stunticons would work would be having a sturdy combiner post that slots into a port on the skeleton's limbs for cartoon mode, while then also having some sort of elbow built in for arm duty for Studio Ox mode (kinda like the idea they were going for with the Breakdown mold, but y'know... Better handled).

ZeroWolf wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself.

I myself have always enjoyed the CW system,, flaws and all, and I've been pretty vocal about it. Those that know me, know that CW is the reason I got back into collecting. What I am absolutely bewildered by is the idea (and I'm sure I'm not the only one), of those who spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars building a rather robust combiner collection, want to toss it all out and start over again, just a few years later? I mean I understand there will be a few Icons that will get a new figure each year, (Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream etc...) and a dozen or so legacy characters that will get new characters every 2-3 years, (Datsuns, Seekers, Jazz, Ironhide, Grimlock etc...) but reasonably speaking...do we really wan to do ALL the combiners over again??? (this as arguably one of their biggest fans). I would rather see classic combiners that haven't been released yet, as well as classic characters that haven't had a modern update since the original series. Many fans want more representation from other era's as well. As arguably one of the biggest supporters of classic combiners, I'd rather have all of this than another Devastator, Superion, Menasor etc....

What about new fans though that want those figures without paying ridiculous amounts on the 2nd hand market? I feel that redoing combiners this way going forward may be the best of both worlds. Plus a combiner a year (essentially the Studio Series Devy method) means that those that don't want it, can skip it easier

I also don't think this is an either/or framing. As mentioned above, the history of Generations has been periodic updates of the post popular characters (especially the original G1 cartoon), alongside new figures that haven't been issued in Generations. We get a new Starscream every couple years, a new Hot Spot every decade or so, there's different frequencies here. I don't think we should expect that only the top tier get periodic updates.

The other thing is, it's not just about what we WANT but also what we're going to GET. I bought all of the '84-'86 combiners in CW and UW versions (mostly used from eBay.) I absolutely do NOT want to buy all of them again. But am I going to get a new Menasor? Absolutely. There's no guarantee that this means we're starting all over, it's possible this is specific to those that have significantly different animation designs like Defensor and Superion, where the limbs are tacked onto an underlying skeletal structure.

The real question is how aggressively those of us who bought everything should sell the CW/UW off. Assuming the leaks are accurate, a new Menasor will cost about $175. That's still roughly a hundred dollars cheaper than a used Unite Warriors one. If the Legacy version is an improvement, then the price for CW/UW should crater. That's probably going to be true for any combiners that go through Legacy, unless there are major form factor changes. (E.g. I'm going to keep my Titan Devastator if the new one is smaller.)

I'm reading the thread over on TFW & it's really pissing me off. One guy says he already knows what the next Titan is. And they're all saying it's Unicron Trilogy based. I cannot believe or accept the Nemesis won't be the next titan. After the Ark they need to make the Nemesis. Not only because they go together but also because the titans are Autobot heavy. Titan class needs more Decepticons. I'm sick & tired of Hasbro constantly pushing the good guys.

What crazy insane Transformers fan doesn't want the Nemesis to be the next titan class??? The Nemesis is the obvious choice & *NEEDS* to be the next titan.

I don't want the freakin Ark without the Nemesis. Hasbro should have released them both at the same time. Who made up this stupid rule that there can only be 1 titan per year? They'd both sell out in record time so that's not a problem.

Now what the hell am I supposed to do? If we're not getting the Nemesis then my interest for the Ark just dropped to 0.
But I still have to buy the Ark just in case we do eventually get the Nemesis.

jtanimator wrote:Okay I’m just SO confused now. For YEARS I’ve heard countless fans hate on the combiner wars combining system. And to be honest, I kind of hated it myself. I mean it was a little fun while it lasted, but now I’m looking back to a bunch of characters that all transform in the same basic way, made with the same basic chest and a whole bunch of other cheap sacrifices to accommodate the combining system they went with.

And the G1 originals did the same basic thing. If anything, Streetwise with his flip-down chest and non-peg head was the main exception. In CW, Brawl took that award by not having his peg vertical in robot mode.

Not to mention that they didn’t even come together to make sturdy or very good looking combiners.

Menasor was a bit of miss I'll freely admit with reportedly loose ball joints and Motormaster not properly pegging together and that may have soured the rest of the line for some. The rest... Bruticus is the winner here.

So Why on EARTH is everyone here (seemingly out of nowhere) hoping so badly that these new ones use the same god forbidden system?

I thought it was only me I only did that because I have a lone Motormaster (fixed ratchet variant) that needs some Stunticon buddies.

Whereas they could likely create a WAY better one since the conception of SS and WFC and their superior engineering. not a bash on everyone, but I genuinely don’t get what everyone is thinking here?

Don't discount the CW pegs here, they're the size they are to bear the weight of the limbs, especially of the arms. It's not broken per se, just needs some fine tuning. The ankle tilts for the PotP ones, Computron and Victorion were one such improvement they need to keep.

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o.supreme wrote:

Nemesis Reformatted wrote: Nobody cares about characters that didn't appear in the show.

Um... Magnaboss and Tripredacus are my all time favorite BW characters. Also, one of the main reasons why I like BWII as an animated series is because it gave representation to many BW toys that didn't appear in the Mainframe show.

Yeah, and Cybershark is my favorite Beast Wars character. Most of my favorite characters aren't in the shows. But majority of the fandom only cares about the shows. Whenever I mention G1 Ransack, Barrage, Venom or Chop Shop I get told that they are irrelevant because they didn't appear in the show.

So even though some of us love the non-show characters we are the minority. That's why we keep getting Kickback, Bombshell & Shrapnel over & over & over again but never the other 4 Insecticons. I wish the fans weren't like that but they are so what can we do?

Part of the issue with the Deluxe Insecticons is also liscensing I believe because the designs are now owned by Bandai. So unfortunately, I think those Insecticons have gone the way of the Gobots in terms of Hasbro owning just enough of the copyright to have the names and ideas behind them, but not enough that they think they could get away with making proper updates without possible legal issues/legal headaches (not saying they can't, but just saying this might be their thought process)

o.supreme wrote:I personally missed out on T30 Metroplex. But because it was something I REALLY wanted, I bided my time, searched auctions and other sites for almost 2 years, and finally circumstances were right that I was able to attain one, just about two years ago. Now personally, this is just me. If my circumstances were different, and I wasn't able to obtain Metroplex at that time, I'd STILL be waiting, and trying/hoping to get it one day, rather then expect Hasbro to make a new one.

I'm in almost exactly the same place as you, but I'm on the flip side: at a TFCon two years ago, I could have picked up the SDCC version of T30 Metroplex for $200. I decided I was going to be getting the other Titans, but I passed, in part because it has a more Classics-style and IDW aesthetic than a vintage toy / G1 cartoon design. I absolutely would prefer getting a new version that fits that model rather than deal with the overheated used market. If Hasbro really doesn't want to make a new one, then I hope that reissue the old one. The only reason to reject that premise is if you buy toys to flip them, and I always prefer fans having access to toys than them gaining financial value because they're so limited.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I'm reading the thread over on TFW & it's really pissing me off. One guy says he already knows what the next Titan is. And they're all saying it's Unicron Trilogy based. I cannot believe or accept the Nemesis won't be the next titan. After the Ark they need to make the Nemesis. Not only because they go together but also because the titans are Autobot heavy. Titan class needs more Decepticons. I'm sick & tired of Hasbro constantly pushing the good guys.

What crazy insane Transformers fan doesn't want the Nemesis to be the next titan class??? The Nemesis is the obvious choice & *NEEDS* to be the next titan.

I don't want the freakin Ark without the Nemesis. Hasbro should have released them both at the same time. Who made up this stupid rule that there can only be 1 titan per year? They'd both sell out in record time so that's not a problem.

Now what the hell am I supposed to do? If we're not getting the Nemesis then my interest for the Ark just dropped to 0.
But I still have to buy the Ark just in case we do eventually get the Nemesis.

If there's one thing I've learned collecting Generations obsessively since Titans Return, it's that if you wait long enough, Hasbro will do it. Maybe it won't be next year, but I'm guessing there will be a Nemesis in my lifetime. It's up to you to decide if you're going to gamble on the Ark now, or take a pass because there's no announced Nemesis and then be furious when it eventually comes out.

I'd say a better looking Motormaster and Menasor would be great. the CW version had its issues.

However, having recently found PotP starscrean, gridlock, swoop and Stepper for a decent price I jumped on them. So I think the Cw system still has potential to continue.


And yes, I agree, Bruticus is still one of the better CW combiners out there.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:I'm reading the thread over on TFW & it's really pissing me off. One guy says he already knows what the next Titan is. And they're all saying it's Unicron Trilogy based. I cannot believe or accept the Nemesis won't be the next titan. After the Ark they need to make the Nemesis. Not only because they go together but also because the titans are Autobot heavy. Titan class needs more Decepticons. I'm sick & tired of Hasbro constantly pushing the good guys.

Again, remember this is all RUMOR... However, in all the Unicron Trilogy, I can only think of three Toys/characters worthy of a Titan Class....

1. Armada/Energon Unicron (Haslab just came out so not likely)
2. Energon Omega Supreme/Omega Sentinel (With Siege Omega in 2019, again not likely)
3. Cybertron Primus (this was reissued in 2017 for TLK for some reason ). Although the idea of Having a new Primus Titan would be cool, and a Haslab Primus a near impossibility, I don't think they would go that direction....

So who is left?

Tidalwave- He is a Large Decepticon. It's not what I would want, I think he is much better served as a CC, but I know a lot of fans do want it, so it makes sense.

Also historically, the ratio of Good/Evil Titan class toys has been even, and I'm sure that will continue

Also at the moment, the Titans are perfectly balanced with 5 a piece (by years end when Black Zarak drops)

Autobot:

Metroplex
Fortress Maximus
Grand Maximus
Omega Supreme
Ark

Decepticon:
Devastator
Trypticon
Predaking
Scropoknok
Black Zarak

Decepticons even benefit from having more original molds in their line up with only one retool/repaint to the Autobots two.

There is also a problem that who would the Nemesis transform into given that the Ark was the perfect opportunity to pull a last Autobot reference out of the hat.

Some people don't count Devastator and Predaking as "titans" and reserve that for ships and citybots. By that measure, the cons are outnumbered.

To me they count, big is big, but others look at it differently.

I just count everything released in that size class, it's far easier