Listing Found for Transformers Generations Selects Redwing

Awesome...a new seeker well at least new to me and a new mold. I'm passing up on Starscream and company but Redwing would be a nice addition...'nuff said!

Ya know, I think I'm gonna pass on Thundercracker too, and just get Redwing and Skywarp. I'm glad we are getting a new seeker too, at least to the general public.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Ya know, I think I'm gonna pass on Thundercracker too, and just get Redwing and Skywarp. I'm glad we are getting a new seeker too, at least to the general public.

I'm a sucka for the og trio of seekers, so I'm all in for blue guy and purple guy, but if red guy looks anything like this...



...then I'm very much in

Hasbro, you have my full permission to give us Sunstorm, Hotlink, Bitstream, Nacelle, Acid Storm, Nova Storm, and Ion Storm through the Generations Selects line. I will gleefully buy them all!

Been playing around with Siege Prowl and now I'm really looking forward to Smokescreen. The transformation is so satisfying and quick despite having a good amount of complexity to it. The car mode is amazingly compact with everything fitting inside. That car is also super sleek in contrast to all the greeble we've seen on most figures in the line. My one complaint is that the feet are very "Alternators" making the mold look like it's standing on its toes, would have been better if the wheels folder underneath instead, but then they wouldn't have had the G1 wheel feet look. Mine also has gummy shoulders, but they seem to be loosening up.

I can't wait to have the rest of his mold mates, even Barricade. I do hope they fix Smokescreen's numbers, but at least he got his side tampographs, unlike Prowl who could really use his side badges.

I'm glad Redwing is finally happening, now if only I could find a Starscream locally. I'll probably end up getting one off Amazon instead.

Emerje

Cool seeing Redwing, hopefully Sunstorm will be done in the future. Especially as the mold is fun to Digibash

still waiting on star scream to come my way.

These select figures are the same price as the standard voyagers right (besides those packaged with extras)? Just exclusive to some retailers?

Alas I'm penny pinching with this line even though I'm loving it, the repaints will be minimal in my collection. If these were deluxe...

frogbat wrote:still waiting on star scream to come my way.

These select figures are the same price as the standard voyagers right (besides those packaged with extras)? Just exclusive to some retailers?

Alas I'm penny pinching with this line even though I'm loving it, the repaints will be minimal in my collection. If these were deluxe...

Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

Are we sure this IS Redwing? Everest also has Selects Megatron and Ricochet listed, but no Swoop. Red Swoop isn't far off from Red Wing, and the listing desciptions are close:

Transformers - Generations Selects Ricochet (24) *New/F19*
Transformers - Generations Selects Redwing (24) *New/F19*

True, the Megatron listing is also the same format...just find it really odd Swoop isn't listed...

william-james88 wrote:Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

Cheers was thinking of the new Skywarp battle pack set - for some reason thought it fell in with the select imprint.

I might actually buy this. I want my "important" Seekers to be Earth jets but I do want a version of this mold- an expendable "literally who?" generic seems the perfect candidate. Plus those colours are tasty.

MeGrimlock78 wrote:Are we sure this IS Redwing? Everest also has Selects Megatron and Ricochet listed, but no Swoop. Red Swoop isn't far off from Red Wing, and the listing desciptions are close:

Transformers - Generations Selects Ricochet (24) *New/F19*
Transformers - Generations Selects Redwing (24) *New/F19*

True, the Megatron listing is also the same format...just find it really odd Swoop isn't listed...

They have diffrent Hasbro product codes, So they are most certainly diffrent figures. They probably just don't have Red Swoop listed.

Red Swoop is E6720

Redwing is E5474

I have no connection to this character... I'd honestly prefer they do a conehead instead....

Which.. I know the Siege Starscream mold doesn't necessarily work for Thrust, Dirge...the other one(?) but I'd like to see how they'd do it.

Random: I love Prowl too - his proportions are odd but I love his quirkyness Six Gun’s black rifles on His shoulders are the best I can mock up his shoulder rockets.

A little extra yellow on the pecs of that Seeker mold and that could almost be an Armada Starscream motif.

frogbat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

Cheers was thinking of the new Skywarp battle pack set - for some reason thought it fell in with the select imprint.

Its beyond confusing. But the main distinction is that the ones in the actual siege line are meant to accompany that line (like add more characters that go with the others released) while this selects line is giving fans decos that they probably would never get in a main line, something more along the lines of the Transformers Club and toys not meant to be in the same continuity/story as the actual War for Cybertron Trilogy.

Black Hat wrote:I might actually buy this. I want my "important" Seekers to be Earth jets but I do want a version of this mold- an expendable "literally who?" generic seems the perfect candidate. Plus those colours are tasty.

The great thing about using the Siege Seeker mold for the likes of Sunstorm, Bitstream, Hotlink, Nacelle, Acid Storm, Nova Storm, or Ion Storm, is that they have only been seen in the original cartoon on Cybertron, so it makes perfect sense for them to have their tetra jet alt modes. Somewhere down the line, we may get another redo of the Starscream, Thundercarcker, and Skywarp trio as Earth-based jets again, but we won't have to have those molds repainted a dozen times over if they stick with the Siege tetra jets for those "Cybertron only" characters instead.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Black Hat wrote:I might actually buy this. I want my "important" Seekers to be Earth jets but I do want a version of this mold- an expendable "literally who?" generic seems the perfect candidate. Plus those colours are tasty.

The great thing about using the Siege Seeker mold for the likes of Sunstorm, Bitstream, Hotlink, Nacelle, Acid Storm, Nova Storm, or Ion Storm, is that they have only been seen in the original cartoon on Cybertron, so it makes perfect sense for them to have their tetra jet alt modes. Somewhere down the line, we may get another redo of the Starscream, Thundercarcker, and Skywarp trio as Earth-based jets again, but we won't have to have those molds repainted a dozen times over if they stick with the Siege tetra jets for those "Cybertron only" characters instead.

My thoughts exactly.

I'll have to buy two. One for the shelf, one to eat. I NEEED a redwing in ma bellah!

(i don't know what that means, I just want it. pretty much now.)

10 posts in 10 years... what an obscure character to take a minute to post about; he must really like red wing.

In regards to Transformers Generation Select Ricohet (Stepper), mine will arrive next Tuesday. Just curious to see by any chance has anyone received theirs?

SGM

SGMLordMirage wrote:In regards to Transformers Generation Select Ricohet (Stepper), mine will arrive next Tuesday. Just curious to see by any chance has anyone received theirs?

SGM

Yep, I received min last Friday from BBTS.

@kev777, what is your thoughts on it?

carytheone wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:However When holding both Ricochet & Jazz in hand, there is a noticeable weight difference.

Do you have access to a sensitive enough scale to see if this is actually the case? Some pictures of the figures on a scale with the readout visible would help. I'm curious if these were actually made with lighter/less dense plastics. Going by "hand feel" to estimate and compare weight is notoriously difficult, and your perception may very well be influenced by disappointment.

Because BBTS had bad gotta ship it now and your **** is in stock timing, I don't have Ricochet yet.

PotP Jazz nekked is 84g or exactly 3oz

With the combiner hand and pistol - 97g / 3.4oz

food scale if you're curious

This is what I got with my scale. (I used this scale to help my son prep for the Pinewood Derby, so it should be fairly calibrated.) PotP Optimal Optimus is overseeing my accuracy, so you can trust it!

If too small to read, this is 97g with combiner hand and pistol (good to see this agrees with cary)


99g with combiner hand and pistol


81g with combiner hand and sword


82g with combiner hand and sword

SGMLordMirage, there are some comments on the figures in the previous couple of pages, if you want to see them.

Agamemnon wrote:

carytheone wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:However When holding both Ricochet & Jazz in hand, there is a noticeable weight difference.

Do you have access to a sensitive enough scale to see if this is actually the case? Some pictures of the figures on a scale with the readout visible would help. I'm curious if these were actually made with lighter/less dense plastics. Going by "hand feel" to estimate and compare weight is notoriously difficult, and your perception may very well be influenced by disappointment.

Because BBTS had bad gotta ship it now and your **** is in stock timing, I don't have Ricochet yet.

PotP Jazz nekked is 84g or exactly 3oz

With the combiner hand and pistol - 97g / 3.4oz

food scale if you're curious

This is what I got with my scale. (I used this scale to help my son prep for the Pinewood Derby, so it should be fairly calibrated.) PotP Optimal Optimus is overseeing my accuracy, so you can trust it!

20190503_100955.jpg

If too small to read, this is 97g with combiner hand and pistol (good to see this agrees with cary)

20190503_101007.jpg

99g with combiner hand and pistol

I find it odd that Ricochet weighs more than Jazz Could it be something to do with plastic colors?

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I find it odd that Ricochet weighs more than Jazz Could it be something to do with plastic colors?

I meant to comment on this as well. I used to work with plastic molding (on the customer inspection side). There are a number of factors that I think could be impacting this:

Indeed, as you said different plastics can weigh differently, and the color of the plastic can indicate a different plastic in use. (Just changing the dye may not get the desired color. Since Ricochet is all black and Jazz is almost white, this would make sense)

There can be weight differences within the same run depending on how the plastic is packed, the temperature of the plastic when molded, gassing, other factors... When closely looking at the heads of the two figures, Jazz appears to have slightly rounded "ears" with Ricochet having more defined sharper "ears". This may indicate more plastic was packed into the Ricochet mold. Temperature and nature of the plastic material can also impact how the mold gets packed.

Paint could impact the weight too, though there is such a small amount of paint present on both figures...I wouldn't hazard a guess which is painted more.

Clear versus opaque plastics can also have different weights. (Believe it or not, I am suspicious that Jazz has a clear plastic "hood" that has been painted, and Ricochet has an opaque black "hood", not clear painted black. This seems evident when looking at the bottom of car mode.)

I hope this helps some of the curiosity.

SGMLordMirage wrote:@kev777, what is your thoughts on it?

Mine seems to be on par with Jazz quality-wise. Most of the joints on both of mine are just about right, not too tight, not too loose. The only differences I can really note on mine are just the decos. If I closed my eyes and grabbed one of them, I wouldn't be able to tell who it was without opening my eyes.

Personally, I like the deco on Ricochet better, but am not down on Jazz by any means. What I think I'll end up doing is using both as arms on the same combiner and swap their prime armor/hands so that there can be an almost all white arm and an almost all black arm.

Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

Agamemnon wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!

Well, Ricochet needs to be able to have those armor piercing rounds bounce right off him and hit Decepticons, right?

Thank you, thanks you. Tip your robo-staff on your way out, please.

Artfire looks good, I passed on him last week for ricochet I don't like having the bonnet tampo broken by the white so I leave it mistransformed.

@kev777, thank you for that feedback. I am looking forward to getting mine.

SGM

I'm hoping for a Sunstorm.

william-james88 wrote:

frogbat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.

Cheers was thinking of the new Skywarp battle pack set - for some reason thought it fell in with the select imprint.

Its beyond confusing. But the main distinction is that the ones in the actual siege line are meant to accompany that line (like add more characters that go with the others released) while this selects line is giving fans decos that they probably would never get in a main line, something more along the lines of the Transformers Club and toys not meant to be in the same continuity/story as the actual War for Cybertron Trilogy.

Specifically the Selects line feels a lot like the Subscription Service. If that were still around this is exactly the type of figures we would have gotten (except for Star Convoy) and they even come in the same type of cardboard boxes (but without the printing and foam inserts). The only major difference is the price and the ease of getting them.

Emerje

bvzxa wrote:

This looks great.

I'm thinking Ricochet will end up on Inferno for a combiner so that the combined mode, which sort of looks like Artfire, will have his other Targetmaster bro as his limb.

Agamemnon wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!

Well, Ricochet needs to be able to have those armor piercing rounds bounce right off him and hit Decepticons, right?

Thank you, thanks you. Tip your robo-staff on your way out, please.

One thing to keep in mind is the resolution of the scale you used. If it only went to the nearest gram, then the figures may actually be closer to each other in weight than 1 gram. For example, Jazz's real weight could be 83.4 grams and the scale would just say 83. At the same time, Ricochet could actually be 83.6 grams and the scale would say just 84. Of course the opposite could also be true with Jazz being 82.5 and reading 83 and Ricochet being 84.4 and reading 84.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?

At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.

Sure!

Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g

(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)

So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!

Well, Ricochet needs to be able to have those armor piercing rounds bounce right off him and hit Decepticons, right?

Thank you, thanks you. Tip your robo-staff on your way out, please.

One thing to keep in mind is the resolution of the scale you used. If it only went to the nearest gram, then the figures may actually be closer to each other in weight than 1 gram. For example, Jazz's real weight could be 83.4 grams and the scale would just say 83. At the same time, Ricochet could actually be 83.6 grams and the scale would say just 84. Of course the opposite could also be true with Jazz being 82.5 and reading 83 and Ricochet being 84.4 and reading 84.

Very true. I think the real take home message was that this defied some people's expectations in that, not only are Ricochet and Red Swoop no less massive than Jazz and Blue Swoop, they're actually marginally more so! Really, though, this means that Ricochet and Red Swoop are of comparable quality to the Deluxe Class releases in Power of the Primes, so Hasbro isn't taking any shortcuts with these "Selects" releases. The price has been inflated up to the new Deluxe Class price point ($19.99), but we're not getting products of "lesser" quality.

I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.

o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.

Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.

Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.

Mold degradation would mean everyone has the problem but it seems it's just O.Supreme, which sucks. My recommendation is to deal with the seller and exchange them for new copies while you still can.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.

Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.

That soon? I wouldn't think so. We eliminated total amount of plastic as a possibility, another one I can think of is that the joints somehow are too smooth i.e. have nothing to properly grip on for friction.

Either way, I'd wait until more reviews and reports come in before drawing conclusions. It could very well be a one-off...

:EDIT:... and it isn't it, it's YMMV now:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.

Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.

That soon? I wouldn't think so. We eliminated total amount of plastic as a possibility, another one I can think of is that the joints somehow are too smooth i.e. have nothing to properly grip on for friction.

Either way, I'd wait until more reviews and reports come in before drawing conclusions. It could very well be a one-off...

:EDIT:... and it isn't it, it's YMMV now:

Multiple reports on reddit report the same loose and floppy joints for both Red Swoop and Ricochet, so I don't believe this is a one-off

Emerje wrote:Specifically the Selects line feels a lot like the Subscription Service. If that were still around this is exactly the type of figures we would have gotten (except for Star Convoy) and they even come in the same type of cardboard boxes (but without the printing and foam inserts). The only major difference is the price and the ease of getting them.

Emerje

On the surface maybe, but not in the details. The club's Sub Service stuff was much nicer than the retail product. Almost always had way more paint and often included additional accessories.

On some of the other comments in the thread, my red Swoop is a little loose in places but not to any serious detriment. Ricochet is pretty tight all around.

My biggest issue with red Swoop is the gray plastic. It doesn't match the other PotP Dinobots at all and I don't know how they messed up something so obvious.

Ricochet is an inferior representation of the character:
But hey, if I need a random combiner limb it'll come in handy so I guess it has that going for it. Also, it was 1/4 the price of the United one. Kinda. United version had a badass book included.

^It's definitely a conundrum. I did manage to get all the TFCC Exclusives that were made from Combiner Wars molds, and I can definitely say, there was never any QC issue with them. I wasn't pleased with how much I had to pay for them, but I was pleased with what I got.

Would I wish to go back to that system...probably not. And Honestly, If Ricochet & Red Swoop had just been standard releases one could purchase at Target or Walmart, I probably wouldn't be so upset, I'll just take WJ suggestion and try to exchange them.

I know a lot of fans are happy about brand unification, but I can't help but think of what was lost. Pretty much all my Unite Warriors are better quality than any of their CW counterparts. One rare recent example would be Golden Lagoon Starscream - modeled after a PotP figure, released exclusively by however, and it looks and feels much better than most of the PotP line. Now while it wasn't as expensive as Club figures (but still more expensive nonetheless), it still had that superior quality look and feel. It's unfortunately because of Brand Unification, and the knowledge that standard SS, PP & Siege releases are the same from both TT & Hasbro, that I cant just get the TT releases, because now there is no reason to do so.

On the surface having to *not* pay 30% more to import a version of something very similar to sounds great. But it wasn't just different paint decos or accessories that drove fans to do this, its because they knew they were getting an overall better product generally speaking (with few exceptions). Instead of trying to raise the overall brand to TT level, they just lowered TT to Hasbro's, which is kind of sad.

I'm not conspiracy theorist...but this *might* explain the reason why the last few masterpiece figures have had quality issues despite them not even being offered in North America...

o.supreme wrote:I'm not conspiracy theorist...but this *might* explain the reason why the last few masterpiece figures have had quality issues despite them not even being offered in North America...

They are offered in North America, the MP line is also part of brand unification, starting with Cartoon Accurate prowl:

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... on/hse4006

But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I'm not conspiracy theorist...but this *might* explain the reason why the last few masterpiece figures have had quality issues despite them not even being offered in North America...

They are offered in North America, the MP line is also part of brand unification, starting with Cartoon Accurate prowl:

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... on/hse4006

Interesting, so is it basically just different packaging/lettering but each MP figure is released in both Japan & North America? If so, then, sadly, that bodes even worse for the reason why these most recent ones are having QC issues...

ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?

Yup, thus TakaraTomy toys are just as likely to be hit by errors as the Hasbro ones. The myth may stem from "the more you pay the more careful with it you become", statistical artifacts (1 country vs the rest of the world with absolute quantities instead of percentages), or it could very well be real with how different colors of plastic have different tolerances i.e. one big coincidence. Who knows?

ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?

Yep!

ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?

Yes, but until a couple of years ago, would have their production/assembly line run of their product several months later than Hasbro's. Often also with different packaging, accessories, and paint detailing, if not, something completely different.

Some have speculated that in the time difference between what was manufactured for and , QC issues could be found and fixed. But now, because of Brand Unification (meaning not only are the toys the same, but they are being produced at the same time), that QC issues have less time to be found, that would definitely explain the overall decline in quality for both & .