Legacy Wave 2 Deluxes Found at Big Lots for $22.99

Posted by SoundwaveSuperior24 on September 1st, 2022 @ 1:30am CDT
Hey all! LONG-time reader, probably going on 10 years, but I wanted to make an account just to add some information to this news of NEW Transformers being sold at Big Lots!

I worked at a Big Lots for nearly 4 years, and in that time I got a pretty good idea of how Big Lots gets stock. Big Lots used to be seen as a TJ-Maxx style store that receives older products that simply do not sell. That was SOMETIMES the case, but while I worked there Big Lots often got brand new toys direct from the manufacturer. Big Lots was one of the first stores to get Bot Bots for instance. Since I left Big Lots seems to be stocking more and more current Hasbro product, such as Lightning Collection and Fortnite. While Big Lots did sometimes receive products that did not sell at other retailers and sold them at a discount similar to stores such as Ollies, Big Lots worked to gain a more "current" image, and wanted to lose the "Thrift Store" identity that it had for itself, instead trying to be a Target store on a dollar store budget. Thus, Big Lots began stocking newer merchandise.

So I would say it's a safe bet to NOT take this as bad news that this is a distribution problem, but rather that Big Lots has decided to purchase this assortment for their stores. I hope this helps ease some worry!

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Posted by SoundwaveSuperior24 on September 1st, 2022 @ 1:30am CDT
Hey all! LONG-time reader, probably going on 10 years, but I wanted to make an account just to add some information to this news of NEW Transformers being sold at Big Lots!

I worked at a Big Lots for nearly 4 years, and in that time I got a pretty good idea of how Big Lots gets stock. Big Lots used to be seen as a TJ-Maxx style store that receives older products that simply do not sell. That was SOMETIMES the case, but while I worked there Big Lots often got brand new toys direct from the manufacturer. Big Lots was one of the first stores to get Bot Bots for instance. Since I left Big Lots seems to be stocking more and more current Hasbro product, such as Lightning Collection and Fortnite. While Big Lots did sometimes receive products that did not sell at other retailers and sold them at a discount similar to stores such as Ollies, Big Lots worked to gain a more "current" image, and wanted to lose the "Thrift Store" identity that it had for itself, instead trying to be a Target store on a dollar store budget. Thus, Big Lots began stocking newer merchandise.

So I would say it's a safe bet to NOT take this as bad news that this is a distribution problem, but rather that Big Lots has decided to purchase this assortment for their stores. I hope this helps ease some worry!

Say, SoundwaveSuperior24 (agree with most of that username BTW), do you have any insight as to whether the shift to current TF product was spurred ty Big Lots getting in trouble over the TF knock-offs they used to carry? That's why I LOVED Big Lots 15-20 years ago, starting with some of the same Beast Wars and Brave KOs previously found in Easter Baskets, then G1 and Machine Robo combiner teams, and finally enlarged Minicons and Legends figures which seem to have spurred a crackdown from Hasbro.

The final straw was apparently oversized KOs of the Operation Combination Six-______ torso and head with Cybertron Legends figures enlarged to near-Deluxe size as limbs. One used Vector Prime for arms, and the legs were red and yellow Starscreams that scaled perfectly with the Titanium Tetra-jet mold, an army-builder's dream come true! I bought a few, not having much use for all the dead weight from the knees up, but a month or 2 later I saw them all stacked on overheads and labeled "NOT FOR SALE", and learned they were ordered destroyed, an event tied with the closure of all US Toys'R'Us stores as my saddest toy store memory (bear in mind, the latter meant I was out of a job). Seriously, I should've come back with scissors and a box cutter, ripped open every pack, taken out the legs, then dared them to call the cops on me for "stealing" small parts of a product already designated trash instead of merchandise.

After that, tiny, piddly, official TFs trickled in to replace them. Whoop-dee-slag. I haven't had reason to enter a Big Lots in years, but even though I just found Wildrider and Jhiaxus in Target today, and Elita-1 last week, I guess that's my next stop to hunt for Tarantulas and Knock Out: the one TF "KO" the chain still apparently allows.

And SoundwaveSuperior24, if you're still reading this, and know where the KOs I'm talking about were buried, we have much to discuss in the Carbombya forum! Is it out in the desert by all those Atari games?

(Sorry about my odd quote structure above, but the post I'm replying to seems to keep disappearing when I go to the thread)

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

If you like upgrades...

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

If you like upgrades...

Not at all what I'm talking about. And outside of those thigh extensions, that set feels wholly unneccessary.

I just figured out that Dragstrip is power booster level 1: super speed.

When Wildrider is found, he will add some sort of frenzy attack mode power boost.

Need to think on the last 2, but i have time

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

If you like upgrades...

Not at all what I'm talking about. And outside of those thigh extensions, that set feels wholly unneccessary.

I just figured out that Dragstrip is power booster level 1: super speed.

When Wildrider is found, he will add some sort of frenzy attack mode power boost.

Need to think on the last 2, but i have time

Unless the original comes with a sword, I would say that was an "essential" addition to make it more G1 though. The longer trailer is always welcome too. I wish there was a 3P trailer available these days for Earthrise Prime. I would even settle for a straight G1 reissue if it scaled and fitted the connector on Prime.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

If you like upgrades...

Not at all what I'm talking about. And outside of those thigh extensions, that set feels wholly unneccessary.

I just figured out that Dragstrip is power booster level 1: super speed.

When Wildrider is found, he will add some sort of frenzy attack mode power boost.

Need to think on the last 2, but i have time

Unless the original comes with a sword, I would say that was an "essential" addition to make it more G1 though. The longer trailer is always welcome too. I wish there was a 3P trailer available these days for Earthrise Prime. I would even settle for a straight G1 reissue if it scaled and fitted the connector on Prime.

The original comes with a sword, always has. And I still have the CW one if I really want a bigger sword.

You are talking to probably the person who cares least about "g1 accuracy".

Longer trailer might be welcome, but is not necessary. And $60 is just too steep for what that offers. DNA has gone off the rails with prices lately, I was going to get the Scourge set, but considering it costs as much as the figure itself, that was a hell no

SoundwaveSuperior24 wrote:Hey all! LONG-time reader, probably going on 10 years, but I wanted to make an account just to add some information to this news of NEW Transformers being sold at Big Lots!

I worked at a Big Lots for nearly 4 years, and in that time I got a pretty good idea of how Big Lots gets stock. Big Lots used to be seen as a TJ-Maxx style store that receives older products that simply do not sell. That was SOMETIMES the case, but while I worked there Big Lots often got brand new toys direct from the manufacturer. Big Lots was one of the first stores to get Bot Bots for instance. Since I left Big Lots seems to be stocking more and more current Hasbro product, such as Lightning Collection and Fortnite. While Big Lots did sometimes receive products that did not sell at other retailers and sold them at a discount similar to stores such as Ollies, Big Lots worked to gain a more "current" image, and wanted to lose the "Thrift Store" identity that it had for itself, instead trying to be a Target store on a dollar store budget. Thus, Big Lots began stocking newer merchandise.

So I would say it's a safe bet to NOT take this as bad news that this is a distribution problem, but rather that Big Lots has decided to purchase this assortment for their stores. I hope this helps ease some worry!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

If you like upgrades...

Not at all what I'm talking about. And outside of those thigh extensions, that set feels wholly unneccessary.

I just figured out that Dragstrip is power booster level 1: super speed.

When Wildrider is found, he will add some sort of frenzy attack mode power boost.

Need to think on the last 2, but i have time

Unless the original comes with a sword, I would say that was an "essential" addition to make it more G1 though. The longer trailer is always welcome too. I wish there was a 3P trailer available these days for Earthrise Prime. I would even settle for a straight G1 reissue if it scaled and fitted the connector on Prime.

The original comes with a sword, always has. And I still have the CW one if I really want a bigger sword.

You are talking to probably the person who cares least about "g1 accuracy".

Longer trailer might be welcome, but is not necessary. And $60 is just too steep for what that offers. DNA has gone off the rails with prices lately, I was going to get the Scourge set, but considering it costs as much as the figure itself, that was a hell no

ZeroWolf wrote:I do like your idea though of each component bringing with it an upgrade. Sounds very mini-con/ Japanese G1 ish.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I do like your idea though of each component bringing with it an upgrade. Sounds very mini-con/ Japanese G1 ish.

Kinda came up with it this morning, it's a neat idea to justify 2 different types of Menasor designs and honestly makes me happier about this skeletal frame combiner with cars slapped on it. Adds extra layers to it that helps me enjoy it a lot more, both as a good toy and also with a fictional background to it

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Also, I am really REALLY enjoying Motormaster and Menasor. The Menasor right now feels like a mech suit for Motormaster with Dragstrip as the first "upgrade" to the suit. It is a lot of fun, and it's how I'll be keeping these guys for the most part and adding new "upgrades" as we go

If you like upgrades...

Not at all what I'm talking about. And outside of those thigh extensions, that set feels wholly unneccessary.

I just figured out that Dragstrip is power booster level 1: super speed.

When Wildrider is found, he will add some sort of frenzy attack mode power boost.

Need to think on the last 2, but i have time

Unless the original comes with a sword, I would say that was an "essential" addition to make it more G1 though. The longer trailer is always welcome too. I wish there was a 3P trailer available these days for Earthrise Prime. I would even settle for a straight G1 reissue if it scaled and fitted the connector on Prime.

The original comes with a sword, always has. And I still have the CW one if I really want a bigger sword.

You are talking to probably the person who cares least about "g1 accuracy".

Longer trailer might be welcome, but is not necessary. And $60 is just too steep for what that offers. DNA has gone off the rails with prices lately, I was going to get the Scourge set, but considering it costs as much as the figure itself, that was a hell no

*puts his hand up about caring the least about G1 accuracy*

I do like your idea though of each component bringing with it an upgrade. Sounds very mini-con/ Japanese G1 ish.

Bumblevivisector wrote:Yeah, if Takara had put more thought into different limbs and configurations bestowing different powers on each gestalt back in the day, all the limb-swapping in the Scramble City OVA and G1 manga would've been more interesting and less pointless, at the cost of being more jarring whenever it intersected with any western TF fiction that would've still ignored the whole concept.

But alas, no one had the time, it was a mad...scramble...to get the corresponding toys and fiction out at all.

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I do like your idea though of each component bringing with it an upgrade. Sounds very mini-con/ Japanese G1 ish.

Kinda came up with it this morning, it's a neat idea to justify 2 different types of Menasor designs and honestly makes me happier about this skeletal frame combiner with cars slapped on it. Adds extra layers to it that helps me enjoy it a lot more, both as a good toy and also with a fictional background to it

Drag Strip: Speed boost
Dead End: Endurance boost
Breakdown: Physical strength boost
Wildrider: Fireblast boost

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I do like your idea though of each component bringing with it an upgrade. Sounds very mini-con/ Japanese G1 ish.

Kinda came up with it this morning, it's a neat idea to justify 2 different types of Menasor designs and honestly makes me happier about this skeletal frame combiner with cars slapped on it. Adds extra layers to it that helps me enjoy it a lot more, both as a good toy and also with a fictional background to it

Drag Strip: Speed boost
Dead End: Endurance boost
Breakdown: Physical strength boost
Wildrider: Fireblast boost

I'm guessing this is based on OG tech specs?

I prefer a different approach, almost like super power. Like Dragstrip with the speed boost works for a sprinting combiner, and I just like the idea of Wildrider being a total berserker, so he adds a sort of frenzy attack.

I might incorporate more of the multiverse into Dead End and Breakdown. Maybe Breakdown provides the strength boost you mentioned, but it's more a super slammer uppercut, and maybe he wields the trailer as a giant hammer. Dead End would lean more Cyberverse, so maybe he would give the combiner a sneakier stealth mode (he wasn't stealthy in the show per se, but he was able to help hide as part of the resistance and was good with the hit and run tactics), while also adding some personality snark to Menasor.

Cyberverse Dead End is my favorite, made me love the character and finally gave me a reason to like a Stunticon, though RiD2015 did give me some love to Dragstrip and Motormaster.

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I prefer a different approach, almost like super power. Like Dragstrip with the speed boost works for a sprinting combiner, and I just like the idea of Wildrider being a total berserker, so he adds a sort of frenzy attack.

I might incorporate more of the multiverse into Dead End and Breakdown. Maybe Breakdown provides the strength boost you mentioned, but it's more a super slammer uppercut, and maybe he wields the trailer as a giant hammer. Dead End would lean more Cyberverse, so maybe he would give the combiner a sneakier stealth mode (he wasn't stealthy in the show per se, but he was able to help hide as part of the resistance and was good with the hit and run tactics), while also adding some personality snark to Menasor.

Cyberverse Dead End is my favorite, made me love the character and finally gave me a reason to like a Stunticon, though RiD2015 did give me some love to Dragstrip and Motormaster.

Interesting, but I think I'll come up with yet another take.

Sabrblade wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:Yeah, if Takara had put more thought into different limbs and configurations bestowing different powers on each gestalt back in the day, all the limb-swapping in the Scramble City OVA and G1 manga would've been more interesting and less pointless, at the cost of being more jarring whenever it intersected with any western TF fiction that would've still ignored the whole concept.

But alas, no one had the time, it was a mad...scramble...to get the corresponding toys and fiction out at all.

They did eventually do that for Battle Gaia and Guard City in Operations Combination.

Bumblevivisector wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Bumblevivisector wrote:Yeah, if Takara had put more thought into different limbs and configurations bestowing different powers on each gestalt back in the day, all the limb-swapping in the Scramble City OVA and G1 manga would've been more interesting and less pointless, at the cost of being more jarring whenever it intersected with any western TF fiction that would've still ignored the whole concept.

But alas, no one had the time, it was a mad...scramble...to get the corresponding toys and fiction out at all.

They did eventually do that for Battle Gaia and Guard City in Operations Combination.

"Eventually" =/= "During Scramble City in '86", so Battle Gaia, Guard City, and Baldigus will always be outliers in that regard. Therefore, any official attempt to retcon a power-configuration concept into gestalts from that era is unlikely to supersede Bob Budianski's original bios emphasizing non-interchageability when it came to combining their components' minds, no matter how much fun it is to swap our toys' limbs around. Cherry-pick whatever stats you like from the Stunticons' tech specs, configuring their personalities will still give Menasor severe mental problems, and it's those character quirks that endeared them to the hearts of Transfandom.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Drag Strip: Speed boost
Dead End: Endurance boost
Breakdown: Physical strength boost
Wildrider: Fireblast boost

I'm guessing this is based on OG tech specs?

Bumblevivisector wrote:To be clear, I'm not trying to crap on anyone's ideas for gestalt power configurations, I'm just pointing out that the reason this concept still hasn't been implemented across even Scramble-style combiners in general is that someone would have to put a LOT of thought into it to square it with what's already been established about TF gestalts, and to incorporate future teams that might use the CW system.

Note that Menasor gives wiggle-room for stat-inspired power configurations because none of the Decepticon gestalts in the Sunbow cartoon had a real explicit unique power (despite Soundwave's assertion that he had "special powers" in 'Masquerade'). All 3 of Hasbro's Autobot gestalts, on the other hand, did:

SUPERION: Flight (wouldn't be a "special" power for a Sunbow 'Con, but still)
DEFENSOR: Force Field
COMPUTRON: Analytical Abilities

Now, attach 4 bots from the same team to G1 Metroplex in bot mode using the toys's connectors, and the corresponding power-ups seem obvious (or at least, this is how I interpreted them as a kid): Aerialbots let him fly, Protectobots give him a force-field tailored to Autobot City, and Technobots allow Computron's analytical abilities to access Teletraan 2's database. Fans may never agree on the effect exactly (or care, since that toy configuration is tough to translate into fiction due to scale issues), but start switching the limb-bots around or swapping between teams, and what happens to the gestalts' established powers? Anyone would have to make a LOT of s#!t up to answer that, and even then it'd be partly dumb luck if enough fans accepted it for the system to stick in our collective consciousness past the next few reboots.

Titanmasters might provide an even better example of what I mean. Someone at Hasbro came up with a lot of neat powers for them to bestow on the stats of whoever they headed onto, all fun and good for personal play, but will that mean much of anything even if Legacy has a few figures return to the Headmaster gimmick? And what does that mean for all the characters used in TR who went back to not being Headmasters afterwards? Did any of that translate into fiction? And to the few who played the TR expansion in the TF CCG game before its unfortunate demise, how well did it square with the rest of the game?

Point is, lots of fans have wanted a gestalt-configuration power system over the decades, but even for fandom to come up with a large scale one that stands the test of time, it would take a LOT of us overthinking and playing around with it, then creating some fanfic or game that conveyed it to other fans for the system to actually mean anything, AND it would have to not be too at odds with prior TF mythos. If HasTak tried it officially, they'd just cast it aside after 3 years, tops. Heck, it took several years of 3rd party gestalts screaming at Hasbro in $700+ voices before they even did new official versions of them in Combiner Wars.

But if anyone wants to prove me wrong and show it can be done, I'd love to hear more. TF fiction never settled on consistent rules for gestalt endurance, what it takes to knock them apart, etc. (except for Bruticus's three dots, I guess), so there always will be enough official wiggle room. I just don't see it happening in a meaningful way for established TF combiners. Newer teams that want to try something similar, like the elemental powers of the female 'Cons that form Megatronia (still no actual team name for them?) giving her the ability to slice planets in half, sure, keep that coming! But do different limb configurations for Megatronia mean much of anything? Will they ever? Outside of every fan's personal headcanon, not likely.

Sorry that turned into a rant, but I just wanted to be clear that I'm not down on the concept, I just think there isn't a scraplet's chance in the Arctic Ocean of it actually working. Given this unique take on Menasor, I'm mostly curious to see how Legacy will handle its next gestalt team.

First-Aid wrote:Didn't a Voltron series have something like that? They were able to switch what lion was the one making the torso and the result was a different set of powers.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Didn't a Voltron series have something like that? They were able to switch what lion was the one making the torso and the result was a different set of powers.

Yep. Voltron Force. The one that aired on Nickelodeon and is the least-liked Voltron series. The toyline never even saw release.

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Didn't a Voltron series have something like that? They were able to switch what lion was the one making the torso and the result was a different set of powers.

Yep. Voltron Force. The one that aired on Nickelodeon and is the least-liked Voltron series. The toyline never even saw release.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Just learned you can use the welding helmet as a Battle Mask for Warrior Engineer Mode

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Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Metroplex, TFSource has him on sale this weekend for $159.99, 40 bucks off (or 20% off) for their Labor Day Weekend sale.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Metroplex, TFSource has him on sale this weekend for $159.99, 40 bucks off (or 20% off) for their Labor Day Weekend sale.

When it's literally 40 bucks, I would say that it is finally worth it...

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Metroplex, TFSource has him on sale this weekend for $159.99, 40 bucks off (or 20% off) for their Labor Day Weekend sale.

When it's literally 40 bucks, I would say that it is finally worth it...

Not even close. This is by far the best titan we have gotten in every way: weight, strength, posing, joint quality, plastic quality, presence.

This is worth that TFsource sale price at the very least, and I would argue it holds up under the new titan pricing system. $40 is an insult to it, the Sparkdrinker alone is almost worth that.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Metroplex, TFSource has him on sale this weekend for $159.99, 40 bucks off (or 20% off) for their Labor Day Weekend sale.

When it's literally 40 bucks, I would say that it is finally worth it...

Not even close. This is by far the best titan we have gotten in every way: weight, strength, posing, joint quality, plastic quality, presence.

This is worth that TFsource sale price at the very least, and I would argue it holds up under the new titan pricing system. $40 is an insult to it, the Sparkdrinker alone is almost worth that.

IMO Legacy Metroplex is not worth that newly increased price. He's sure is impressive but you have to pose him just right so he don't comes crashing down. Also, I just can't figure out how to make him hold his gigantic weapon effectively. Finally, those transformation joints in his shoulders are annoying when posing his arms.

Despite these flaws, he's indeed glorious. So despite "not being worth" full price or the future inflated secondary market price, he's definitely worth it when he's on sale. Like 15% off or over. Just enough to save taxes and shipping. That's what I paid at my local geek store.

Now, to be truly satisfied with him, I need Legacy Deluxe Drillbit to happen. He needs it to feel complete.

On a side note, the Titans who are worth their full price or even more are Siege Omega Supreme, ER Scorponok, and L Select Black Zarak.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Metroplex, TFSource has him on sale this weekend for $159.99, 40 bucks off (or 20% off) for their Labor Day Weekend sale.

When it's literally 40 bucks, I would say that it is finally worth it...

Not even close. This is by far the best titan we have gotten in every way: weight, strength, posing, joint quality, plastic quality, presence.

This is worth that TFsource sale price at the very least, and I would argue it holds up under the new titan pricing system. $40 is an insult to it, the Sparkdrinker alone is almost worth that.

primalxconvoy wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Speaking of Metroplex, TFSource has him on sale this weekend for $159.99, 40 bucks off (or 20% off) for their Labor Day Weekend sale.

When it's literally 40 bucks, I would say that it is finally worth it...

Not even close. This is by far the best titan we have gotten in every way: weight, strength, posing, joint quality, plastic quality, presence.

This is worth that TFsource sale price at the very least, and I would argue it holds up under the new titan pricing system. $40 is an insult to it, the Sparkdrinker alone is almost worth that.

Lol, nope. Not by a long shot. IMO, it's the complete and utter opposite. Still, regardless of its poor design, if it makes you happy, have at it.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Have you even handled him? I feel like if you had, even for you, you wouldn't say $40 price tag.

This also coming from the guy posting $60 upgrade kits for a $90 figure that don't make it worth $150 by any remote chance. I feel like, especially having interacted with you over a good long period, your bias really does tell with the official vs 3P/KO market. Saying this thing is the equivalent of an iron factory legends figure is not remotely comparable.

primalxconvoy wrote:As for Notroplex, it's just a poorly designed OSKO of the far superior original (which I ended up selling on account if it looking like crud), IMO, and best left to bargain bucket/clearance bins, where I (perhaps rather outspokenly) believe it firmly belongs and will inevitably inhabit the world-over.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:As for Notroplex, it's just a poorly designed OSKO of the far superior original (which I ended up selling on account if it looking like crud), IMO, and best left to bargain bucket/clearance bins, where I (perhaps rather outspokenly) believe it firmly belongs and will inevitably inhabit the world-over.

This is when I really wish I could tag other members, because ScottyP the podcast host, who is also a long time UT fan and who had similar thoughts to you about Metroplex because he thought that the only real difference was size, was really turned around when he got him in hand.

This is not the old toy. This is an engineering update, alot like Classics Prime to Earthrise Prime. Took what was old, kept the spirit and design, but added so many new joints, tricks, abilities, etc. that it still feels like a whole new thing.

This isn't an oversized anything. This is a properly scaled Metroplex that can pose far better than any other TF this size on the market, complete with old 2000's era fun and "kill you by falling on your head" build quality combined with 2020's fresh ideas, design cues, and joints.

ZeroWolf wrote:If memory serves someone did post pictures of Metroplex and the Cybertron leader class figure side by side.

Burn wrote:Not very impressed with Laser Optimus Prime (original is far superior)

primalxconvoy wrote:I don't recall stating any recent 3P add-on kits were "worth it", although I did state that Menasor's MIGHT be of relevance. I also stated that Black Zarak's was NOT worth it due to the shoehorning of 3 individual kits into one for reasons of corporate greed.

Sabrblade wrote:Sounds more to me like he's just mad that it isn't another G1-based Titan. That Hasbro would dare make a Titan based on something from a non-G1 series, with the gall of applying a G1 character's name to a non-G1 character.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I don't recall stating any recent 3P add-on kits were "worth it", although I did state that Menasor's MIGHT be of relevance. I also stated that Black Zarak's was NOT worth it due to the shoehorning of 3 individual kits into one for reasons of corporate greed.

Ah, come on, dude. That's not "corporate greed" at all. That was just logic. BZ was produced in more limited quantities than Scorpy and all the kits were already developed. I find really annoying that the term "corporate greed" is used for whatever reasons when one doesn't like something. The term is so overused it now means nothing.

Anyway I bought BZ and that kit was NEEDED to make him truly complete. The only part of that kit that was not a must (at least for me) was the legs extension. But appart that I was really grateful to have the complete package in one convenient box. So for me, BZ WITH the kit is the best Titan ever. But if I'd go vanilla, Siege Omega Supreme gets the crown.

Sabrblade wrote:Sounds more to me like he's just mad that it isn't another G1-based Titan. That Hasbro would dare make a Titan based on something from a non-G1 series, with the gall of applying a G1 character's name to a non-G1 character.

Sounds like it.

This makes me wish for Titan Omega Supreme... The ENERGON version.