LA Times story on Transformers ROTF reveals interesting "exit polls"

Its stuff like this that makes those Hulu.com commercials pure genius.

"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

1337W422102 wrote:"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

I call Bullshit.

Seriosuly. Better than Star Trek?

....I knew Scotty's little pet thing should have Humped more.

1337W422102 wrote:"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

*Lolth*

Seriously like Paramount are going to publish or even acknowledge the existence of any exit poll results that would in anyway harm their cash cow.

I think this movies proves that Transformers fans are as much a force to be reckoned with - and just as contensious - as either Star Trek or Star Wars fans.

TransFans are also used to "continuity resets" more than the other two, as well.

Fananga wrote:Seriosuly. Better than Star Trek?

Primus C-00 wrote:Seriously like Paramount are going to publish or even acknowledge the existence of any exit poll results that would in anyway harm their cash cow.

You two do realize that Star Trek is a Paramount product, right?

Better then star trek? are you frakin kidding me? Trek was 100 times better than bayformers 2. Hate to say it but so was Terminator. I enjoyed both those movies a lot more then ROTF. I guarantee if Megan Fox were running in slow mo in those movies and shia ladouche and his horrid acting(if you can call his add ridden rants acting) were there as well even for a minute they'd be just as good to those people. Oh and dont forget the shitload of explosions gotta have them.

Archanubis wrote:I think this movies proves that Transformers fans are as much a force to be reckoned with - and just as contensious - as either Star Trek or Star Wars fans.

TransFans are also used to "continuity resets" more than the other two, as well.

This would explain why I didn't bat an eye at how the path of the new Trek Movie went. Although you do have to admit that while Trek has had fewer full on "resets" they have had WAY more "tamperings with" in regards to the timelines which also helps.

I'm a fan of all 3, TF's, SW and Trek and I have to say that, in all fairness, you really can't call one better or worse than the other. They are all seperate creatures and the recent Trek movie and RotF were so much like apples and oranges that you can only say one was better for your own tastes. A blanket statement just will not work and those who think it does can take their arrogance and stuff it because I know someone is going to be foolhardy enough to try and shove their opinion down my throat like its some damn scientific fact. I don't want to piss anyone off, well, for the most part...some folks I don't mind, but mostly I just want people to step back and really think about how much of a disservice they are doing themselves by firing off snap judgements and then shoving them off on others.

Also (and this is mostly for the "haters") take a second look at those figures from the poll indicating the gender balance. That aint all "Fangirls" making up those statistics, those are Moms, Aunts, Sisters, Grandmas, all types going to see this and generally with kids in tow. They are the reason you die hards are having issues with the new movie and guess what?? THEY OUTNUMBER YOU!! So quit your complaining because Hasbro and Michael Bay hit the bullseye on this one and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it and you know what...they are going to do it one last time in 2012 whether you like it or not JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN! This is now everyones franchise!


"My wallet hurts!"
"'Course it hurts, it just got an ass kickin'"

ROTF is Batman & Robin

i don't get this critic stuff. I'm not saying they have to kiss Bay's butt or anything, but they're seein the movie for free for christsakes. They could at least say 1 positive thing about the film. It's different if you paid for a flick and it was terrible. Also, to the haters - if you don't like it, then don't watch it. Simple as that.

Most of the film critics are too old-fashioned to appreciate all this movie has to offer compared to the moviegoers. The $400 million that this film has made shows that.

Archanubis wrote:I think this movies proves that Transformers fans are as much a force to be reckoned with - and just as contensious - as either Star Trek or Star Wars fans.

TransFans are also used to "continuity resets" more than the other two, as well.

Fananga wrote:Seriosuly. Better than Star Trek?

Primus C-00 wrote:Seriously like Paramount are going to publish or even acknowledge the existence of any exit poll results that would in anyway harm their cash cow.

You two do realize that Star Trek is a Paramount product, right?

And the better movie?

Of course!

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

HA HA HA HA,
If only TF2 featured two future governors.....or Bot nipples. Wait, did the Isabella bot have laser nipples? (Isabella mode doesn't count)

I agree I enjoyed Terminator more, and Star Trek, and I'm not really a core fan of either. I saw this film three times and loved it verses when I took my siblings out to watch TF2 after I already saw it Thrusday...it felt more like a chore then a fun experience. In fact the more I watch TF2, the more things I find wrong with it verses me enjoying it more....*sigh*

Hopefully Spielberg is pressured to find another Director and greenlight TF3 before Bay falls off his high arse horse.
-Josh

I love how the films and their influence are stepping on and crushing all of the old expectations of what the franchise is supposed to be about.

Every time someone's perception of what Transformers is gets challenged, first by Beast Wars, then Beast Machines, then Armada, then Animated...the bleating and crying of some out there just proves that the franchise is on the right track.

Because those same people are the ones who would have rode the 1984-1985 cartoon ride into its grave. If the franchise did not change, become something new, challenge perceptions, and tell different stories, it would have long ago been forgotten.

I've got enough credibility on the boards and the fandom that no one out there is going to be able to say that I'm a Bay supporter, a GEEWUN-er, an anti-GEEWUN-er, or otherwise. My favorite franchise story is the Unicron Trilogy. I didn't like Animated and I thought Robots in Disguise was a lot of fun. My shelves are packed with G1 toys, everything from Prime and Twin Twist to Victory Leo and Chainclaw. So, I'm either a TRUE FAN or I'm RUINING TRANSFORMERS FOREVER. Maybe both.

I enjoy the franchise and most all of what it has to offer, but when I don't (as with Animated), I don't set out to ruin other fan's enjoyment of the series.

I don't make inferences at their taste or intelligence. Talking about how the movie was bad, poorly written, under developed, lacking judgment, poorly representing characters, too fast paced, too slow paced, too violent, too sexy, etc etc etc. These are all valid discussion points.

Check your agendas at the door though people, because I am pretty sick of seeing some of the posts which contain back-handed insults to others. Calling out others with insults because they enjoyed the film is not a valid discussion point and I am going to start taking some action on repeat offenders.

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

Care to state why or just leave quick spam?

I am a Batman fan and i didn't like that movie either due to the bad acting and crazy campy reality it took place in.


I thought ROTF was great and it played very well to people of all ages. Anyone could walk into the theater and watch this movie and enjoy it. I'm glad its doing so well repaying the budget so that we can have a great 3rd movie in 2012.

I'd rather have this movie, then a movie that the general public hates and the TF community loves. The simple reason is that the movies would die out so quickly that only we would care to watch it/remember it.

Counterpunch wrote:I love how the films and their influence are stepping on and crushing all of the old expectations of what the franchise is supposed to be about.

I agree with you, I'd rather see a new perspective on TFs instead of remakes of old episodes.

Counterpunch wrote:Check your agendas at the door though people, because I am pretty sick of seeing some of the posts which contain back-handed insults to others. Calling out others with insults because they enjoyed the film is not a valid discussion point and I am going to start taking some action on repeat offenders.

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

This is the second thread that you posted this in.
All of our posts bash the movie.
Are you here just to bash the movie and attempt to bait people into an argument?

hugoace wrote:ROTF is Batman & Robin

Thats a good one. Both movies had bad acting but at least ROTF didnt have nipple suits.

Well if we have to go through a 'Batman & Robin' to get to a 'Dark Knight' then im all for it

1337W422102 wrote:"In a related story, people are tasteless. And now, appropriately enough, here are some commercials with cars and tits."

Hahahahah

It's true. People should just fess up to it already. Mike Judge wasn't that far off with "Ideocracy" .....

BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:Most of the film critics are too old-fashioned to appreciate all this movie has to offer compared to the moviegoers. The $400 million that this film has made shows that.

See that's not true at all. I've read PLENTY of critics who are in their 20's and 30's who have torn this movie to shreds.

Rock Sexton wrote:

BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:Most of the film critics are too old-fashioned to appreciate all this movie has to offer compared to the moviegoers. The $400 million that this film has made shows that.

See that's not true at all. I've read PLENTY of critics who are in their 20's and 30's who have torn this movie to shreds.

But are these critics well versed in G1 and comics? Probably not. Then they should shut their mouths. They can analyze it strictly from a movie POV only -- anything else they mention about authenticity or legitimacy of TF lore can be thrown out. And again, there are some story points I don't exactly agree with, but this is a complete re-imagining of TF and it's story, and I'm willing to accept that. You'd get sick of it if your favorite music artist put out an album in the same exact style 10 times wouldn't you? In this case, reinvention is good.

vectorA3 wrote:But are these critics well versed in G1 and comics? Probably not. Then they should shut their mouths. They can analyze it strictly from a movie POV only -- anything else they mention about authenticity or legitimacy of TF lore can be thrown out. And again, there are some story points I don't exactly agree with, but this is a complete re-imagining of TF and it's story, and I'm willing to accept that. You'd get sick of it if your favorite music artist put out an album in the same exact style 10 times wouldn't you? In this case, reinvention is good.

Doesn't matter if they were well-versed. This movie is for a "general audience" ........... I wouldn't even call this a re-invention. It's just filler for the times the robots aren't fighting or there's not CGI.

The first one had a soul. This one lacked it.

Yeah to be fair i respect the opinion of the non Trans-fan critics more simply because they lok at it as a film.

This is a Badly written/directed film but the Dedicated Trans-fans out there would love it if it had been Directed by Kermit the Frog.

Fananga wrote:Well if we have to go through a 'Batman & Robin' to get to a 'Dark Knight' then im all for it

Don't Jynx it, remember "Batman Forever" came before "Batman and Robin".....Bay might be running his film train in reverse. In which we might get a robo arse shot ala "Forever". Or Grimlock voiced by Jim Carrey's "Grinch" persona.

*Shudder*

BTW, I haven't seen too many post release Ravage rants. Anyone else here not care for Ravages look? The character played out well enough, but the look was just dreadful. And even Frenzy transformed into a stereo, you would think Ravage would transform into a Sat Com pack or some other military communications piece. Just to keep with theme and give Ravage some sort of Transformation. I always find it moot to have Transformers in a movie titled so that don't transform. Hence why I didn't care for the Fallen, bastard didn't transform either.
My God its 5 in the morning....ugh
Laters,
Josh

Remember what it is we are dealing with here. This movie was conceived during/around the time of the writers strike. The story is rushed, the production is rushed and there are too many many elements compressed into too short a span that are supposed to be churned out in such a manner that it appeals to practically everyone. That last fact in and of itself is an impossible feat since we can't even put 5 TF fans in the same forum and get a solid, cohesive opinion. Which is stupid because we can achieve space travel, build weapons of mass destruction, replace human organs with synthetic versions but we can't create a machine capable of allowing a human to pull his head out of his own a**.

Even at 2 1/2 hours the movie was too short to cover everything that was necessary to explain. Hell, the Novel was done from the original screenplay and covered a lot of what was missed in the movie and I felt the book should have been longer. The whole writing and directorial team attempted to incorporate elements that the Trans Fans would recognize and ALSO try to do it in such a manner that the average joe could walk in off the street and be able to enjoy it and there just wasn't enough time to pull it off.
Personally, I think that trying to keep the fans happy is what ultimately shot this movie in the foot. WE are the reason that so many of the people out there are having issues with this film and I think it is about time that WE, as a Fan Community, sucked it up and took a good look at ourselves and how we are behaving and what it is we are asking for and realized that WE can't get what we want without COMPLETElY alienating the rest of the movie going audiences. If we alienate everyone, these movies will die at the box office and TF3 will be the last TF movie to ever see a big screen release. Until the Community realizes this, this franchise is screwed. All of us are going to get not what we want, but EXACTLY WHAT WE DESERVE!

At this point, just based on the selfish whining and pandering of the majority of the community, I'm scared sh**less of what we are going to get for TF3. I'm afraid that many of you are going to get exactly what you want and then NOBODY outside the fandom will have a clue what the hell is going on (way worse than this last time around) and TF3 is going to die right out of the gate.
What is it going to take to wake people up and make folks realize that the Univers and this Movie franchise doesn't revolve around them and that they are doing more harm than good? It's right there staring everyone in the face...

Then I'm mad at Paramount/DW for rushing Bay and the writers. We didn't need the film this year particularly, it was nice, but not absolutely necessary. I'd be very willing to wait another year for a better movie, rather than rush it & compromise everything. What this boils down to is greedy execs. They waited 3 yrs. between Batmans, 3 yrs. between Spiderman 2 and 3 --absolutely no reason to rush the s*(% outta this one.

T-Maximus

First off hello. I can understand your view and point of reasoning. But, at the same time I would reply, not as a fan of the franchise but as a general fan of movies and the genre, this movie was whored out. Not so sound crude, and I'm not saying I didn't like parts of it nor am I saying this film is the worst thing ever. I'm saying that me, as a guy who isn't biased with particular mythos finds alot of the points brought up not only here but other sources such as E-Magazine and Yahoo movie news and the LA Times and other places very valid. I don't think a majority of people hate this film just to hate it or they're venting older grudges from issues maybe held from the previous film....they sincerely know there are issues with this film in which blame shouldn't be placed on the writers strike or the producers or exec heads alone, but the Director as well. Especially the director being his job is to tell a story and if just as many people feel he didn't get the job done as there are people rushing to see this film.....he should be held accountable verses playing it off that all is well and having him run off to repeat the same mistakes.

The Writers strike did play parts into the choppyness of this film....this was addressed by the writers in the May/June issue of Screenwriters Mag in which they were interviewed for both Star Trek and Transformers, but to me it felt like and they address that the writers were rushing to complete the script just to meet deadlines. And ultimately, for a paycheck in the pressure of the strike and possibly not working again for a while. Along with that, Bay feels as if he completed this movie and greenlit the script soley in the same fashion. As if he was playing off the hype and success of the previous film to fill in the gaps left in terms of quality of this film so he could meet his deadline and earn his dollar. From an industry perspective, this is what it felt to me. This movie was made just to earn the money, but looking back if there is a TF3 (Which there has to be, the movie has generated too much money for a 3rd film not to have been greenlit) this film (Hopefully) will be viewed as the weakest of the triology. I mean this in terms of TF3 being up to par with the first film or better in terms of story, design, acting, everything needed to make your average good action film.

As an artist as well however, I would be able to overlook a majority of the plot holes (Not all, a majority of them) if a movie made soley of eyecandy looked great 100 or even 90% of the time. But it didn't, the two ugliest designs from my perspective (the Binks-Bot Twins) recieved the majority of the screen time while other bots more deserving of the movie light were left in the shadows such as Sideways and the Constructicons and Soundwave and Jolt. Verses other spiny designs such as Ravage or last minute designs such as Wheelie or designs that just looked like things were just thrown together such as Devestator hogged the spotlight and lowered my movie experience. Even previous film designs and characters would have been fine, more Ironhide, more Ratchet, Barricade! And for the love of God when you have Transformers in a film have them TRANSFORM!!!!!

My overall biggest disappointment, other then Devastator and Soundwave....was the Fallen. You have this great character who is suppose to be in flames and such and you have him lying like a incapacitated hospice patient as your introduction.....Megs had a waaaayyyyy better intro in the first film. I was eager to see the fallen all in flames via Balrog and Transforming. Heatwaves spewing from his mouth and such and instead I got him picking on cavemen and laying down on his robo-recliner and then waving a magic wand like some wizard. No Transformation, no fire, just some steam and some lava drool and a King Tut Headpiece. I actually thought one of the primes altered designs would have made for a better villan design as well. Oh Fallen, how I wish I could quit thee.

In closing I'll say this, the movie was fun, but thats it. There are major issues with it, those saying other wise I cant for the life of me see why. And I'm no where near as excited to see this film again as I was the first film, or even Terminator or Star Trek of Phelam 123. When the third film is greenlit, I would say the rantings and criticisms of the die hard fans here cannot do anymore harm then whats been done. It can only help at this point, and thats only if (Hopefully) someone is listening.
Laters,
Josh

good points. If there are 3, then this will be the weakest of the 3 i think too. WB slid back the 6th Harry potter movie from coming out last year, why couldn't Paramount/DW postpone this film more?? It is sure to make $. A franchise like TF deserves more time and care -than this BS put out anything for a moneygrab s&%t. Pisses me off.

This is interesting. If accurate this is as close as we'll get to knowing the general consensus about the film from the gerneral public, which is the only consensus which truly matters.

I thought Trek 09 was overrated, and at the end of the day little better or worse than ROTF. All of Kruger and Orci's scripts share similar flaws; IMO I doubt they'll ever write a truly great movie.

Steamed_Ham wrote:This is interesting. If accurate this is as close as we'll get to knowing the general consensus about the film from the gerneral public, which is the only consensus which truly matters.

I thought Trek 09 was overrated, and at the end of the day little better or worse than ROTF. All of Kruger and Orci's scripts share similar flaws; IMO I doubt they'll ever write a truly great movie.

It's funny you mention this being I think both scripts for both films were written around the same time....with Trek being more detailed driven being one of the writers was quoted as being a die hard Trek fan, while Transformers for what I read of the interview got the leftovers or side notes of the developing Trek script.

Again though, alot, but not all of the blame can be soley put on the writers for the majority of this films flaws. However after reading the possibility of the writers not returning for the 3rd film, I can speculate the quality should be better. Key word here is "Should".

good riddens if they don't use them for the 3rd. Where the hell did these guys come from anyway? Why'd they entrust those 2 dbs with such beloved franchises anyway. QUALITY writers Mr. Studio chief, QUALITY writers Brad Grey. Even if you have to pay them a little more. Makes a world of difference.

Hi, Roger...thanks for reading this thread!

i'd rather Brad Grey & Spielberg read it than Ebert

vectorA3 wrote:i'd rather Brad Grey & Spielberg read it than Ebert

Ha ha ha.
So true.

Joshua Vallse ......brotha post as often as you can. Your user review was spot-on and you had me laughing at the critique of The Fallen character........I mean his "recliner" haha

I just couldn't take his character seriously at all. I blame a lot of it on how he's introduced. It starts off with a serious mistreatment of Megatron's revival. The Constructicons show up out of nowhere, diving off some benign ship. You can barely hear the doctor ordering to "kill the young-ling" and then in the snap of a finger they cut to a shot of Meg's lying on the floor fully rebuilt. Suddenly he's blasting off and he's on the Nemesis in about 5 seconds just in time to throw another cliched "Starscream you failed me" line. And then blam, there's the Pharoahe of Transformers sitting lazily in a chair and Meg's kissing his backside........finding out that only a Prime can defeat him...... because the writers said so..........

The whole thing was a cheap Vader-Emperor ripoff. I threw my hands up in the air and muttered "WTF" when suddenly he decides to get up off the chair in the 3rd act. Only to laugh even harder when he gives his televised speech, of which we're shown absolutely no reaction by the world. You would've thought pandemonium would've broken out.

If The Fallen's own brothers couldn't defeat him, then why could a far descendent of a Prime? Megatron gave Prime a beatdown in the 1st film and Prime clearly needed Jetfire's get-up to defeat The Fallen so one could logically concluded the Fallen would've faired just fine has he gotten off his lazy-chair much earlier.

Rock Sexton wrote:Joshua Vallse ......brotha post as often as you can. Your user review was spot-on and you had me laughing at the critique of The Fallen character........I mean his "recliner" haha

I just couldn't take his character seriously at all. I blame a lot of it on how he's introduced. It starts off with a serious mistreatment of Megatron's revival. The Constructicons show up out of nowhere, diving off some benign ship. You can barely hear the doctor ordering to "kill the young-ling" and then in the snap of a finger they cut to a shot of Meg's lying on the floor fully rebuilt. Suddenly he's blasting off and he's on the Nemesis in about 5 seconds just in time to throw another cliched "Starscream you failed me" line. And then blam, there's the Pharoahe of Transformers sitting lazily in a chair and Meg's kissing his backside........finding out that only a Prime can defeat him...... because the writers said so..........

The whole thing was a cheap Vader-Emperor ripoff. I threw my hands up in the air and muttered "WTF" when suddenly he decides to get up off the chair in the 3rd act. Only to laugh even harder when he gives his televised speech, of which we're shown absolutely no reaction by the world. You would've thought pandemonium would've broken out.

If The Fallen's own brothers couldn't defeat him, then why could a far descendent of a Prime? Megatron gave Prime a beatdown in the 1st film and Prime clearly needed Jetfire's get-up to defeat The Fallen so one could logically concluded the Fallen would've faired just fine has he gotten off his lazy-chair much earlier.

Nice to meet you!
I'm glad you got a good chuckle. That was honestly my realtime reaction when I saw him. There's a rule in stories when dealing with your hero and your villan, and its roughly your hero is only as good as your villan is evil. This movie would prove to be a good example of what happens when said rule is ignored and replaced with Huey and Dewy.
Josh

Fallen's own brothers couldn't defeat him b/c he had the matrix I think - they were only cunning enough to hide it from him before it was too late. As far as the descendent of a Prime being able to defeat him - I don't know. The rushing of the 2nd half of the movie -esp. not fully fleshed out writing - really left us in the dark on that part of the story. I need to see it again, but i want to say that Prime w/his temporary new parts was able to get the matrix away from the Fallen again & then kick his arse, but I'm not entirely sure. I think this is what the writers were intending, but it came out horribly b/c everything was rushed. They so should've waited another year. Think of how bad the Dark Knight would've been if it were rushed and released in 2007 instead of '08.