Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters
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Thanks to our regular pal and source of news over on Chinese social media platform Weibo, tf-factory, we have some more Transformers: War for Cybertron Siege images - this time, it's the instruction sheets (or the opening page of each at least) for the Battle Masters in Wave 1: WFC-S1 Firedrive, WFC-S2 Lionizer, and WFC-S3 Blowpipe.
The instructions also contain Chinese characters, meaning this may very well be the international release of the figures, or one of the two major Asian releases (Takara Tomy or Hasbro Asia). Still, check them out below, and let us know what you think!
The instructions also contain Chinese characters, meaning this may very well be the international release of the figures, or one of the two major Asian releases (Takara Tomy or Hasbro Asia). Still, check them out below, and let us know what you think!
Credit(s): Weibo tf-factory
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Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988965)
Posted by bengear on October 13th, 2018 @ 7:04am CDT
i think i have it figured out in my head based on two things i notice in the pics...
1. there is a hinge pin on the inner part of his foot front, where his big toe would be
2. when the foot is angled it doesn’t match the angle of the rest of his foot, tires etc.
my conjecture is that the front toe part of the foot is the only thing that is actually pivoting and is its own separate piece that hinges and pivots on that pin in the big toe area. that could be what is going on, but that shot of the back of the feet doesnt look like it hinges at all and the feet look molded at a set angle.
https://static.seibertron.com/images/to ... nus-04.jpg
Posted by bengear on October 13th, 2018 @ 7:04am CDT
Emerje wrote:Took a lot of looking because Hasbro is really trying to sell the ankle tilts on all of these figures, but I did find one blurry shot with Magnus' feet flat. It's from the promo video at SDCC.
A little hard to tell since the bottom of his feet are obscured, but his left foot (our right) is not tilted at all, the outer edge is off the ground.
Emerje
i think i have it figured out in my head based on two things i notice in the pics...
1. there is a hinge pin on the inner part of his foot front, where his big toe would be
2. when the foot is angled it doesn’t match the angle of the rest of his foot, tires etc.
my conjecture is that the front toe part of the foot is the only thing that is actually pivoting and is its own separate piece that hinges and pivots on that pin in the big toe area. that could be what is going on, but that shot of the back of the feet doesnt look like it hinges at all and the feet look molded at a set angle.
https://static.seibertron.com/images/to ... nus-04.jpg
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988967)
Posted by ausbot on October 13th, 2018 @ 7:22am CDT
Posted by ausbot on October 13th, 2018 @ 7:22am CDT
Man I would love a E-hobby Prowl/Barricade repaint.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988979)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 13th, 2018 @ 10:40am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 13th, 2018 @ 10:40am CDT
I really want to see a deluxe Barricade make it into the line. That would be awesome for him to jump over like that
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988984)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 13th, 2018 @ 12:24pm CDT
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 13th, 2018 @ 12:24pm CDT
The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy. Using the same mold four times is a bit of a stretch for a one-year long mass retail line, even for Hasbro. It's a shame for that Prowl mold too, because, if we don't get the other "Datsun Bothers," I'm going to pass on the new Prowl. Maybe they'd be part of the second or third chapters of the "War for Cybertron Trilogy?"
It's important to me to have G1 characters still sharing molding as they did in G1. I'd rather stick with the Henkei versions we got almost 10 years ago for Prowl, Bluestreak, and Smokescreen for now. Sideswipe, though, I will be getting, because we now know for certain we're also getting Red Alert from the same mold, so they will match. I'm especially thrilled that Red Alert will have a red helmet like in his cartoon appearances.
It's important to me to have G1 characters still sharing molding as they did in G1. I'd rather stick with the Henkei versions we got almost 10 years ago for Prowl, Bluestreak, and Smokescreen for now. Sideswipe, though, I will be getting, because we now know for certain we're also getting Red Alert from the same mold, so they will match. I'm especially thrilled that Red Alert will have a red helmet like in his cartoon appearances.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988990)
Posted by Seibertron on October 13th, 2018 @ 1:51pm CDT
I'm looking forward to replacing the Classics/Universe/Henkei versions of the Datsun Autobots. I've never been a fan of those molds, mostly due to the terrible neck area and the poorly designed doors which are very fragile and either fall off during transformation or need to be removed to make things easier. I want to like them, I really do, but every time I handle them or look at them, that's what comes to mind.
Posted by Seibertron on October 13th, 2018 @ 1:51pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:It's important to me to have G1 characters still sharing molding as they did in G1. I'd rather stick with the Henkei versions we got almost 10 years ago for Prowl, Bluestreak, and Smokescreen for now.
I'm looking forward to replacing the Classics/Universe/Henkei versions of the Datsun Autobots. I've never been a fan of those molds, mostly due to the terrible neck area and the poorly designed doors which are very fragile and either fall off during transformation or need to be removed to make things easier. I want to like them, I really do, but every time I handle them or look at them, that's what comes to mind.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988991)
Posted by Skritz on October 13th, 2018 @ 1:59pm CDT
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
Posted by Skritz on October 13th, 2018 @ 1:59pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy.
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988993)
Posted by Tommy T. on October 13th, 2018 @ 2:25pm CDT
Posted by Tommy T. on October 13th, 2018 @ 2:25pm CDT
I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988995)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 13th, 2018 @ 2:55pm CDT
Don't count on Barricade being a simple redeco, or even based on Prowl, just yet. His IDW design takes cues from both G1 Micromaster Barricade, and Movie Barricade. Chances are we'll get a mix. Wouldn't be the first time we got a cop toy in the form of a racing car:
Transformers Machine Wars Prowl Gallery
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 13th, 2018 @ 2:55pm CDT
Skritz wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy.
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
Don't count on Barricade being a simple redeco, or even based on Prowl, just yet. His IDW design takes cues from both G1 Micromaster Barricade, and Movie Barricade. Chances are we'll get a mix. Wouldn't be the first time we got a cop toy in the form of a racing car:
Transformers Machine Wars Prowl Gallery
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988998)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on October 13th, 2018 @ 4:06pm CDT
It's also possible Barricade is just a redeco of the Red Alert tooling of Sideswipe
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on October 13th, 2018 @ 4:06pm CDT
Skritz wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy.
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
It's also possible Barricade is just a redeco of the Red Alert tooling of Sideswipe
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1988999)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 13th, 2018 @ 4:21pm CDT
Good point: any car mode with a lightbar is eligible. I mean, eHobby Clamp Down, a police car, is in fact just a redecoed Red Alert (based on his Diaclone release). Poor paranoid Alert...
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 13th, 2018 @ 4:21pm CDT
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Skritz wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy.
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
It's also possible Barricade is just a redeco of the Red Alert tooling of Sideswipe
Good point: any car mode with a lightbar is eligible. I mean, eHobby Clamp Down, a police car, is in fact just a redecoed Red Alert (based on his Diaclone release). Poor paranoid Alert...
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989015)
Posted by william-james88 on October 13th, 2018 @ 6:06pm CDT
I am very surprized thats the example you picked for a police racecar TF.
Posted by william-james88 on October 13th, 2018 @ 6:06pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Skritz wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy.
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
Don't count on Barricade being a simple redeco, or even based on Prowl, just yet. His IDW design takes cues from both G1 Micromaster Barricade, and Movie Barricade. Chances are we'll get a mix. Wouldn't be the first time we got a cop toy in the form of a racing car:
Transformers Machine Wars Prowl Gallery
I am very surprized thats the example you picked for a police racecar TF.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989019)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 13th, 2018 @ 6:19pm CDT
The more obscure the better
MW Prowl is far from the only one, look at his
Energon namesakes:
Transformers Energon Prowl (Red Alert) Gallery
Transformers Energon Prowl (Red Alert) Gallery
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 13th, 2018 @ 6:19pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:I am very surprized thats the example you picked for a police racecar TF.
The more obscure the better
MW Prowl is far from the only one, look at his Energon namesakes:
Transformers Energon Prowl (Red Alert) Gallery
Transformers Energon Prowl (Red Alert) Gallery
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989041)
Posted by Skritz on October 13th, 2018 @ 8:50pm CDT
I'm aware, but my point was exploring the less obvious ideas. Given Barricade could end up as a G1-ified Movie Barricade it is very likely he'd at least get a head based on Evergreen Barricade.
Posted by Skritz on October 13th, 2018 @ 8:50pm CDT
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Skritz wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:The reveal of Deluxe Barricade is very interesting. Even more so is the notion that he might be a repaint/retool of Siege Prowl (whom we still have not seen in toy form). What's unfortunate, though, is that it's that much more unlikely we'll see Siege Bluestreak or Smokescreen, at least not in this first part of the trilogy.
It is possible that Barricade is a massive 'reshell' rather than a retool with a new head and color scheme, much like how some CW cars or some TR figures used the same overall body shape but looked different. It is possible that Barricade is even a completely new car mold intended to be used for someone else and they just added some roof lights and a new head.
It's also possible Barricade is just a redeco of the Red Alert tooling of Sideswipe
I'm aware, but my point was exploring the less obvious ideas. Given Barricade could end up as a G1-ified Movie Barricade it is very likely he'd at least get a head based on Evergreen Barricade.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989050)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 13th, 2018 @ 9:56pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 13th, 2018 @ 9:56pm CDT
This leans a little more toward the obvious, but Deluxe Barricade could also be a redeco & cotool of Mirage. G1 Barricade and G1 Mirage turn into F1 racecars (Semi-related, even - Mirage is a Ligier JS11 and Barricade a JS31), they could easily share transformation engineering looking at G1 Barricade. And going the G1 Barricade route would be fitting given the presence of the Micromasters in the line. Movie Barricade's popularity could well result in some level of movie reference on him, but it might not be to a huge degree.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989053)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 13th, 2018 @ 10:19pm CDT
That's what I was thinking might happen. I kinda hope he gets some compatibility with the rest of the Race Track Patrol not dissimilar to Mini-Con-esque compatibility. Not saying it'd be like Armada where they'd reveal a new weapon (though, I'd love that) but more like T30's Armada Starscream where the pegs are there, but it's mostly just for show. Oh well, I doubt it's gonna happen
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 13th, 2018 @ 10:19pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:This leans a little more toward the obvious, but Deluxe Barricade could also be a redeco & cotool of Mirage. G1 Barricade and G1 Mirage turn into F1 racecars (Semi-related, even - Mirage is a Ligier JS11 and Barricade a JS31), they could easily share transformation engineering looking at G1 Barricade. And going the G1 Barricade route would be fitting given the presence of the Micromasters in the line. Movie Barricade's popularity could well result in some level of movie reference on him, but it might not be to a huge degree.
That's what I was thinking might happen. I kinda hope he gets some compatibility with the rest of the Race Track Patrol not dissimilar to Mini-Con-esque compatibility. Not saying it'd be like Armada where they'd reveal a new weapon (though, I'd love that) but more like T30's Armada Starscream where the pegs are there, but it's mostly just for show. Oh well, I doubt it's gonna happen
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989055)
Posted by mordhelm on October 13th, 2018 @ 10:36pm CDT
Posted by mordhelm on October 13th, 2018 @ 10:36pm CDT
So do we now know all of the non-exclusive deluxe class?
Sideswipe
Cog
Hound
Ironhide
Chromia
Sixgun
Red Alert
Prowl
Mirage
Impactor
Skytread
Reflector
Brunt
Barricade
I wonder if we will get a full 16 mainline deluxes?
Sideswipe
Cog
Hound
Ironhide
Chromia
Sixgun
Red Alert
Prowl
Mirage
Impactor
Skytread
Reflector
Brunt
Barricade
I wonder if we will get a full 16 mainline deluxes?
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989065)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:13am CDT
Okay.... Sorry to point out the obvious... but aren't we getting a Studio Series Barricade....at $19.99? and keep in mind that just because it says Wfc doesn't mean it's true. It could always be a screwup.
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:13am CDT
Va'al wrote:
What is new, especially at the 19.99 USD price point, is a listing for a Barricade that we had yet to see talked about or mentioned in the line. Join the discussion and speculate away on what the character might be, given the original G1 character is part of the Race Car Patrol Micro Master team!
Okay.... Sorry to point out the obvious... but aren't we getting a Studio Series Barricade....at $19.99? and keep in mind that just because it says Wfc doesn't mean it's true. It could always be a screwup.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989066)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:15am CDT
We are, but the listing on Amazon specifically lists him as WFC Deluxe Barricade
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:15am CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Va'al wrote:
What is new, especially at the 19.99 USD price point, is a listing for a Barricade that we had yet to see talked about or mentioned in the line. Join the discussion and speculate away on what the character might be, given the original G1 character is part of the Race Car Patrol Micro Master team!
Okay.... Sorry to point out the obvious... but aren't we getting a Studio Series Barricade....at $19.99?
We are, but the listing on Amazon specifically lists him as WFC Deluxe Barricade
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989067)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:16am CDT
Just made a quick edit to my orginal post a few seconds after you posted.
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:16am CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Decepticon Stryker wrote:Va'al wrote:
What is new, especially at the 19.99 USD price point, is a listing for a Barricade that we had yet to see talked about or mentioned in the line. Join the discussion and speculate away on what the character might be, given the original G1 character is part of the Race Car Patrol Micro Master team!
Okay.... Sorry to point out the obvious... but aren't we getting a Studio Series Barricade....at $19.99?
We are, but the listing on Amazon specifically lists him as WFC Deluxe Barricade
Just made a quick edit to my orginal post a few seconds after you posted.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989068)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:18am CDT
Whoops! Sorry for the quick trigger finger, my bad
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:18am CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:Decepticon Stryker wrote:Va'al wrote:
What is new, especially at the 19.99 USD price point, is a listing for a Barricade that we had yet to see talked about or mentioned in the line. Join the discussion and speculate away on what the character might be, given the original G1 character is part of the Race Car Patrol Micro Master team!
Okay.... Sorry to point out the obvious... but aren't we getting a Studio Series Barricade....at $19.99?
We are, but the listing on Amazon specifically lists him as WFC Deluxe Barricade
Just made a quick edit to my orginal post a few seconds after you posted.
Whoops! Sorry for the quick trigger finger, my bad
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989069)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:31am CDT
I wouldn't think so: such code names come directly from Hasbro and are listed as is until further info is released. Shame the product code hasn't been revealed yet.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:31am CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:Va'al wrote:
What is new, especially at the 19.99 USD price point, is a listing for a Barricade that we had yet to see talked about or mentioned in the line. Join the discussion and speculate away on what the character might be, given the original G1 character is part of the Race Car Patrol Micro Master team!
Okay.... Sorry to point out the obvious... but aren't we getting a Studio Series Barricade....at $19.99? and keep in mind that just because it says Wfc doesn't mean it's true. It could always be a screwup.
I wouldn't think so: such code names come directly from Hasbro and are listed as is until further info is released. Shame the product code hasn't been revealed yet.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989070)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:40am CDT
It would be a little weird if Barricade ended up being an F1 racer like his G1 self in a line where they're reintroducing Micromasters. He should just BE a Micromaster, then. If he's going to be a Deluxe sized figure, he should be something different, e.g., his police car motif from the live action movies.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:40am CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:This leans a little more toward the obvious, but Deluxe Barricade could also be a redeco & cotool of Mirage. G1 Barricade and G1 Mirage turn into F1 racecars (Semi-related, even - Mirage is a Ligier JS11 and Barricade a JS31), they could easily share transformation engineering looking at G1 Barricade. And going the G1 Barricade route would be fitting given the presence of the Micromasters in the line. Movie Barricade's popularity could well result in some level of movie reference on him, but it might not be to a huge degree.
It would be a little weird if Barricade ended up being an F1 racer like his G1 self in a line where they're reintroducing Micromasters. He should just BE a Micromaster, then. If he's going to be a Deluxe sized figure, he should be something different, e.g., his police car motif from the live action movies.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989071)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 14th, 2018 @ 1:17am CDT
Some of us store our figures in the packaging. Also I'd hate to see how online retailers will pack these for shipping.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 14th, 2018 @ 1:17am CDT
Randomhero wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:And they're back to using packaging that will make it impossible to store the boxes.
A cure for the common hoarder
Some of us store our figures in the packaging. Also I'd hate to see how online retailers will pack these for shipping.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989072)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 14th, 2018 @ 1:26am CDT
No worse than any other box I'd imagine.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 14th, 2018 @ 1:26am CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Randomhero wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:And they're back to using packaging that will make it impossible to store the boxes.
A cure for the common hoarder
Some of us store our figures in the packaging. Also I'd hate to see how online retailers will pack these for shipping.
No worse than any other box I'd imagine.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989079)
Posted by blackeyedprime on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:17am CDT
Posted by blackeyedprime on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:17am CDT
Barricade will be a cybertronian space log, why is any one thinking any differently? 
Buy ten of them and he can be used to build a barricade XD
Buy ten of them and he can be used to build a barricade XD
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989092)
Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2018 @ 7:10am CDT
Just like how you can buy a bunch of MP Cordons and make... a cordon.
But yes, I agree, it would be stupid for Barricade to be a Deluxe class Micromaster character in a line where both Micromasters are back and "size matters".
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2018 @ 7:10am CDT
blackeyedprime wrote:Barricade will be a cybertronian space log, why is any one thinking any differently?
Buy ten of them and he can be used to build a barricade XD
Just like how you can buy a bunch of MP Cordons and make... a cordon.
But yes, I agree, it would be stupid for Barricade to be a Deluxe class Micromaster character in a line where both Micromasters are back and "size matters".
Emerje
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989095)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 14th, 2018 @ 8:42am CDT
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
Personally, I'm hoping his base is a different mold. Where's the fun in redecoing a police car as another police car?
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 14th, 2018 @ 8:42am CDT
Tommy T. wrote:I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
Personally, I'm hoping his base is a different mold. Where's the fun in redecoing a police car as another police car?
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989096)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 14th, 2018 @ 8:53am CDT
I honestly don't think it will be a problem. The overall shape of the boxes is, as I said in an earlier post, just a rectangular solid with a triangular wedge cut out on one side. They'll stack just the same as purely rectangular boxes of the same width, depth, and height. As Seibertron pointed out, the wedge corner means that you can actually save a bit of horizontal space when putting the boxes side-by-side - just turn one of them 180 degrees and overlap the wedge areas. Boom. It's not going to be like, say, the boxes from Cybertron or the 2007 movie, or worse still the box for Urban Camo Ruination with its CURVED FRONT.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 14th, 2018 @ 8:53am CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Randomhero wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:And they're back to using packaging that will make it impossible to store the boxes.
A cure for the common hoarder
Some of us store our figures in the packaging. Also I'd hate to see how online retailers will pack these for shipping.
I honestly don't think it will be a problem. The overall shape of the boxes is, as I said in an earlier post, just a rectangular solid with a triangular wedge cut out on one side. They'll stack just the same as purely rectangular boxes of the same width, depth, and height. As Seibertron pointed out, the wedge corner means that you can actually save a bit of horizontal space when putting the boxes side-by-side - just turn one of them 180 degrees and overlap the wedge areas. Boom. It's not going to be like, say, the boxes from Cybertron or the 2007 movie, or worse still the box for Urban Camo Ruination with its CURVED FRONT.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989100)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 9:33am CDT
UM, ACKSHUALLY! *Mouth breathe*
Blurr's retool were NOT mass retail figures, as Brainstorm was a Walgreen exclusive, Nautica was a boxset exclusive and Arcee was a stand-alone online and TRU exclusive. Meaning the Blurr mold only showed up once at mass retail during Titans Return.
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 9:33am CDT
AcademyofDrX wrote:Tommy T. wrote:I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
UM, ACKSHUALLY! *Mouth breathe*
Blurr's retool were NOT mass retail figures, as Brainstorm was a Walgreen exclusive, Nautica was a boxset exclusive and Arcee was a stand-alone online and TRU exclusive. Meaning the Blurr mold only showed up once at mass retail during Titans Return.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989113)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:12am CDT
However, Combiner Wars Deadend would like a word with you
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:12am CDT
Skritz wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Tommy T. wrote:I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
UM, ACKSHUALLY! *Mouth breathe*
Blurr's retool were NOT mass retail figures, as Brainstorm was a Walgreen exclusive, Nautica was a boxset exclusive and Arcee was a stand-alone online and TRU exclusive. Meaning the Blurr mold only showed up once at mass retail during Titans Return.
However, Combiner Wars Deadend would like a word with you
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989115)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:24am CDT
Yeah, now THAT was mold overkill.
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:24am CDT
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Skritz wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Tommy T. wrote:I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
UM, ACKSHUALLY! *Mouth breathe*
Blurr's retool were NOT mass retail figures, as Brainstorm was a Walgreen exclusive, Nautica was a boxset exclusive and Arcee was a stand-alone online and TRU exclusive. Meaning the Blurr mold only showed up once at mass retail during Titans Return.
However, Combiner Wars Deadend would like a word with you
Yeah, now THAT was mold overkill.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989117)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:25am CDT
If we want to get Technical, Dead End was only used for "1" mainline release, as himself. Brakeneck and Dustup were exclusive deals, Streetwise, Prowl, and Smokescreen were drastic re-shells that don't really count as the same molding as they had completely different looks, and Bluestreak and Unit-3 were also exclusives.
So really, the Streetwise tooling is the closest we get to a mainline mold being used 3 times. But that's just my take on tooling and identical appearances
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:25am CDT
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Skritz wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Tommy T. wrote:I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
UM, ACKSHUALLY! *Mouth breathe*
Blurr's retool were NOT mass retail figures, as Brainstorm was a Walgreen exclusive, Nautica was a boxset exclusive and Arcee was a stand-alone online and TRU exclusive. Meaning the Blurr mold only showed up once at mass retail during Titans Return.
However, Combiner Wars Deadend would like a word with you
If we want to get Technical, Dead End was only used for "1" mainline release, as himself. Brakeneck and Dustup were exclusive deals, Streetwise, Prowl, and Smokescreen were drastic re-shells that don't really count as the same molding as they had completely different looks, and Bluestreak and Unit-3 were also exclusives.
So really, the Streetwise tooling is the closest we get to a mainline mold being used 3 times. But that's just my take on tooling and identical appearances
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989120)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:27am CDT
IMO an exclusive release to a multinational bricks-and-mortar chain still counts as mass retail.
But even discounting that, Blurr's mold still showed up more than once - at least in part. Titans Return Chromedome is moldmated to Blurr (much as Highbrow is moldmated to Scourge). He shares Blurr's thighs, lower knee pieces, gun, and Titan Master minus the face (said Titan Master having been sculpted as Stylor to begin with).
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:27am CDT
Skritz wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Tommy T. wrote:I'm with ya, I prefer all the datsun boys being the same mold also. Love the fact they bringing barricade in. I'll definitely grab him. But I also don't see them using the same mold 4 times. Even though I would love it if they did the original seekers then did the rainmakers!!!
Titans Return Blurr would like a word.
UM, ACKSHUALLY! *Mouth breathe*
Blurr's retool were NOT mass retail figures, as Brainstorm was a Walgreen exclusive, Nautica was a boxset exclusive and Arcee was a stand-alone online and TRU exclusive. Meaning the Blurr mold only showed up once at mass retail during Titans Return.
IMO an exclusive release to a multinational bricks-and-mortar chain still counts as mass retail.
But even discounting that, Blurr's mold still showed up more than once - at least in part. Titans Return Chromedome is moldmated to Blurr (much as Highbrow is moldmated to Scourge). He shares Blurr's thighs, lower knee pieces, gun, and Titan Master minus the face (said Titan Master having been sculpted as Stylor to begin with).
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989122)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:31am CDT
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 11:31am CDT
That said: the mold similarities/reuse MAY be a bit less of an issue in Siege if they end up with completely different accessories and weapons. That's something to keep in mind as that would make the mold reuse a bit less silly, since Siege is all about modular plug-and-play weapons and accessories. It's not much, sure, but it could still help these mold reuse a bit less boring.
However right now we're making a lot of assumptions that Siege will be full of retool, when right now the only confirmed Deluxe retool is Red Alert.
However right now we're making a lot of assumptions that Siege will be full of retool, when right now the only confirmed Deluxe retool is Red Alert.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989133)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:30pm CDT
Posted by AcademyofDrX on October 14th, 2018 @ 12:30pm CDT
The line has an emphasis on G1 figures, it's rumored (and almost certain) that we'll see a Ratchet and at least one additional seeker, and Bluestreak and Smokescreen will work as redecoes only. We still don't know anything about the later WFC lines, which could reuse molds a la CW/PotP. I think they'd be nuts not to release all the Datsun boys; that's just leaving money on the table.
And I never qualified restriction to mass retail only, it would be perfectly reasonable to see Bluestreak as an exclusive, for example.
If Barricade is in fact a G1 version of the movie character, I hope we see more line hoppers. I would love a RiD Strongarm retooled from someone like Hound, or a Cybertronian Slipstream. That said, I want a complete 1985 CHUG lineup, so I'm more interested in all of the Autobot cars in WfC first.
And I never qualified restriction to mass retail only, it would be perfectly reasonable to see Bluestreak as an exclusive, for example.
If Barricade is in fact a G1 version of the movie character, I hope we see more line hoppers. I would love a RiD Strongarm retooled from someone like Hound, or a Cybertronian Slipstream. That said, I want a complete 1985 CHUG lineup, so I'm more interested in all of the Autobot cars in WfC first.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989149)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:08pm CDT
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:08pm CDT
I doubt we'll see more than one retool of each deluxe mold, especially if the rest of the trilogy reuse molds across lines, in which case it is entirely possible that these retools/redeco are saved for later. So what I'm expecting for the deluxes is:
-Ironhide/Ratchet (Apparently an exclusive) and maybe Impactor as his main line retool?
-Sideswipe/Red Alert
-Prowl/Bluestreak or Smokescreen with the other as an exclusive
-That leave Hound who I'm unsure he would get retooled as, given he had no mainline retool in G1, with only the E-Hobby exclusive Detritus. My theory is its either Ironfist or Roadbuster.
-Theory: Barricade, if he does indeed turn into a police car, is a retool of an unseen mold. Either a Sunstreaker or the Mirage that is supposed to be in a wave 'opposed' to Ironfist.
-Ironhide/Ratchet (Apparently an exclusive) and maybe Impactor as his main line retool?
-Sideswipe/Red Alert
-Prowl/Bluestreak or Smokescreen with the other as an exclusive
-That leave Hound who I'm unsure he would get retooled as, given he had no mainline retool in G1, with only the E-Hobby exclusive Detritus. My theory is its either Ironfist or Roadbuster.
-Theory: Barricade, if he does indeed turn into a police car, is a retool of an unseen mold. Either a Sunstreaker or the Mirage that is supposed to be in a wave 'opposed' to Ironfist.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989150)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:12pm CDT
If we do get a Cybertronian Slipstream, that'll be an instant buy from me. I don't care for how Starscream looks but I'll support any Slipstream figure just because of TFA
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:12pm CDT
AcademyofDrX wrote:The line has an emphasis on G1 figures, it's rumored (and almost certain) that we'll see a Ratchet and at least one additional seeker, and Bluestreak and Smokescreen will work as redecoes only. We still don't know anything about the later WFC lines, which could reuse molds a la CW/PotP. I think they'd be nuts not to release all the Datsun boys; that's just leaving money on the table.
And I never qualified restriction to mass retail only, it would be perfectly reasonable to see Bluestreak as an exclusive, for example.
If Barricade is in fact a G1 version of the movie character, I hope we see more line hoppers. I would love a RiD Strongarm retooled from someone like Hound, or a Cybertronian Slipstream. That said, I want a complete 1985 CHUG lineup, so I'm more interested in all of the Autobot cars in WfC first.
If we do get a Cybertronian Slipstream, that'll be an instant buy from me. I don't care for how Starscream looks but I'll support any Slipstream figure just because of TFA
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989151)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:15pm CDT
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:15pm CDT
Also, theory: if the line is called 'War for Cybertron' but the first one in the trilogy supposedly depict the final days of the war, perhaps the implied 'story' of the line is to be taken has starting in-media res. Which is to say, it start right in the middle of the ending and then the other two lines 'flashback' to the start and middle of the war.
Because otherwise it make no sense to market the entire trilogy as War for Cybertron if the war is already over.
Because otherwise it make no sense to market the entire trilogy as War for Cybertron if the war is already over.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989155)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:23pm CDT
I had two thoughts on how this could be handled. One was that the trilogy would be similar to the games where the first one still has hope of being able to stay on Cybertron, the second part would be them desperate to win so they look for more powerful options (like Powermasters or maybe Brainmasters), and then the third part sees them attempting to flee like Fall of Cybertron. My other thought was that it could be the three Cybertron settings where we know conflict occurs. The last days before the war moved to Earth, the second part being post Rebirth, and the final part being the Pax Cybertronia where we see the Maximals and Predacons with Cybertronian vehicle modes and no beast modes. Though, your theory definitely sounds more likely
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:23pm CDT
Skritz wrote:Also, theory: if the line is called 'War for Cybertron' but the first one in the trilogy supposedly depict the final days of the war, perhaps the implied 'story' of the line is to be taken has starting in-media res. Which is to say, it start right in the middle of the ending and then the other two lines 'flashback' to the start and middle of the war.
Because otherwise it make no sense to market the entire trilogy as War for Cybertron if the war is already over.
I had two thoughts on how this could be handled. One was that the trilogy would be similar to the games where the first one still has hope of being able to stay on Cybertron, the second part would be them desperate to win so they look for more powerful options (like Powermasters or maybe Brainmasters), and then the third part sees them attempting to flee like Fall of Cybertron. My other thought was that it could be the three Cybertron settings where we know conflict occurs. The last days before the war moved to Earth, the second part being post Rebirth, and the final part being the Pax Cybertronia where we see the Maximals and Predacons with Cybertronian vehicle modes and no beast modes. Though, your theory definitely sounds more likely
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989162)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:58pm CDT
We just had Optimal Optimus: to Warden, that's 'enough Beast Wars for a life time'.
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 2:58pm CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Skritz wrote:Also, theory: if the line is called 'War for Cybertron' but the first one in the trilogy supposedly depict the final days of the war, perhaps the implied 'story' of the line is to be taken has starting in-media res. Which is to say, it start right in the middle of the ending and then the other two lines 'flashback' to the start and middle of the war.
Because otherwise it make no sense to market the entire trilogy as War for Cybertron if the war is already over.
I had two thoughts on how this could be handled. One was that the trilogy would be similar to the games where the first one still has hope of being able to stay on Cybertron, the second part would be them desperate to win so they look for more powerful options (like Powermasters or maybe Brainmasters), and then the third part sees them attempting to flee like Fall of Cybertron. My other thought was that it could be the three Cybertron settings where we know conflict occurs. The last days before the war moved to Earth, the second part being post Rebirth, and the final part being the Pax Cybertronia where we see the Maximals and Predacons with Cybertronian vehicle modes and no beast modes. Though, your theory definitely sounds more likely
We just had Optimal Optimus: to Warden, that's 'enough Beast Wars for a life time'.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989165)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:14pm CDT
1. Don't forget that Hound's box art that Takara showed had a Cybertron Defense Hot Shot head, so that's also a possibility.
2. Mirage is against Impactor, not Ironfist (although I figure that you already know that and just mistyped).
OpOp still hasn't shown up at retail everywhere yet, so I'd argue we haven't actually had him yet.
Also, more Beast Wars anyways please, Warden, surprise us.
Posted by Nemesis Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:14pm CDT
Skritz wrote:-That leave Hound who I'm unsure he would get retooled as, given he had no mainline retool in G1, with only the E-Hobby exclusive Detritus. My theory is its either Ironfist or Roadbuster.
-Theory: Barricade, if he does indeed turn into a police car, is a retool of an unseen mold. Either a Sunstreaker or the Mirage that is supposed to be in a wave 'opposed' to Ironfist.
1. Don't forget that Hound's box art that Takara showed had a Cybertron Defense Hot Shot head, so that's also a possibility.
2. Mirage is against Impactor, not Ironfist (although I figure that you already know that and just mistyped).
Skritz wrote:We just had Optimal Optimus: to Warden, that's 'enough Beast Wars for a life time'.
OpOp still hasn't shown up at retail everywhere yet, so I'd argue we haven't actually had him yet.
Also, more Beast Wars anyways please, Warden, surprise us.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989166)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:20pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:20pm CDT
Warden: "They are cool, aren't they? I hear Takara's doing some pretty neat Beast stuff in their Masterpiece line. You should check that out. Oh, and speaking of Masterpiece, we're gonna bring over Takara's G1 cartoon-colored Prowl. Everyone loves G1. Here, check out our Siege line with all its G1 goodness. We really wanted to do right by G1, making everyone look really faithful to G1 in robot mode, especially these G1 characters, from G1, who look really G1, in this G1 line, based on G1..."Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, more Beast Wars anyways please, Warden, surprise us.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989171)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:44pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:44pm CDT
I like Beast Wars a fair bit. A great show with great toys. I haven't seen any of RiD (2001) other than snippets I managed to catch on TV when it was on the air (I didn't actively follow), but I own some of the toys and I've seen the others. They're cool.
However, I'm not too sad about the dearth of Beast Wars or RiD 2001 figures in the Generations line. For a simple reason:
THEY DON'T NEED UPDATES ANYWHERE NEAR AS BADLY!!!
Beast Wars and RiD (2001) set the standards for articulation that later lines are judged by, and the original toys are for the most part already more or less in line with modern scaling. And in some cases (particularly Leader-class figures), we'd probably get a smaller and somewhat dumbed-down remake of a toy that was just fine as-is.
G1, on the other hand? The scale of the original toys was all over the place, and the Diaclone molds are dwarfed by most modern TFs that turn into cars of the same relative size. There's also the fact that a lot of them are bricks. The G1 characters are the ones most in need of being brought up to modern standards and size, and continue to get made as a trial-and-error process, of coming up with more polished modern versions of their toys and of back-and-forth over what design direction to take. And also covering characters who hadn't been done before, of course.
However, I'm not too sad about the dearth of Beast Wars or RiD 2001 figures in the Generations line. For a simple reason:
THEY DON'T NEED UPDATES ANYWHERE NEAR AS BADLY!!!
Beast Wars and RiD (2001) set the standards for articulation that later lines are judged by, and the original toys are for the most part already more or less in line with modern scaling. And in some cases (particularly Leader-class figures), we'd probably get a smaller and somewhat dumbed-down remake of a toy that was just fine as-is.
G1, on the other hand? The scale of the original toys was all over the place, and the Diaclone molds are dwarfed by most modern TFs that turn into cars of the same relative size. There's also the fact that a lot of them are bricks. The G1 characters are the ones most in need of being brought up to modern standards and size, and continue to get made as a trial-and-error process, of coming up with more polished modern versions of their toys and of back-and-forth over what design direction to take. And also covering characters who hadn't been done before, of course.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989174)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:56pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:56pm CDT
Still waiting for some TRUE Updates to Apeface and Snapdragon.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989175)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:59pm CDT
I acknowledge that G1 needs an update. However Hasbro typically sticks with the ones who sell. Granted, they've gotten better lately with the return of Duocons and more obscure characters, but there's only so many times Optimus Prime can be released before it gets tiresome and for me personally, that was about 5 Primes ago. Plus there are characters from the beast era that need new figures because they've disintegrated by now due to GPS like Silverbolt or Transmetal Megatron or they're like G1 and are bricks like the Armada toyline
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on October 14th, 2018 @ 3:59pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I like Beast Wars a fair bit. A great show with great toys. I haven't seen any of RiD (2001) other than snippets I managed to catch on TV when it was on the air (I didn't actively follow), but I own some of the toys and I've seen the others. They're cool.
However, I'm not too sad about the dearth of Beast Wars or RiD 2001 figures in the Generations line. For a simple reason:
THEY DON'T NEED UPDATES ANYWHERE NEAR AS BADLY!!!
Beast Wars and RiD (2001) set the standards for articulation that later lines are judged by, and the original toys are for the most part already more or less in line with modern scaling. And in some cases (particularly Leader-class figures), we'd probably get a smaller and somewhat dumbed-down remake of a toy that was just fine as-is.
G1, on the other hand? The scale of the original toys was all over the place, and the Diaclone molds are dwarfed by most modern TFs that turn into cars of the same relative size. There's also the fact that a lot of them are bricks. The G1 characters are the ones most in need of being brought up to modern standards and size, and continue to get made as a trial-and-error process, of coming up with more polished modern versions of their toys and of back-and-forth over what design direction to take. And also covering characters who hadn't been done before, of course.
I acknowledge that G1 needs an update. However Hasbro typically sticks with the ones who sell. Granted, they've gotten better lately with the return of Duocons and more obscure characters, but there's only so many times Optimus Prime can be released before it gets tiresome and for me personally, that was about 5 Primes ago. Plus there are characters from the beast era that need new figures because they've disintegrated by now due to GPS like Silverbolt or Transmetal Megatron or they're like G1 and are bricks like the Armada toyline
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989176)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:00pm CDT
I mostly agree with you, but the G1 well (especially the early G1 well) is running dry. In particular, I think a lot of Beast Wars could use affordable updates. Especially designs like Tiger-Hawk and Blackarachnia. I think we should still have Generations stick to G1 for now, but a few more Beast Wars figures coming up wouldn't hurt.
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:00pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I like Beast Wars a fair bit. A great show with great toys. I haven't seen any of RiD (2001) other than snippets I managed to catch on TV when it was on the air (I didn't actively follow), but I own some of the toys and I've seen the others. They're cool.
However, I'm not too sad about the dearth of Beast Wars or RiD 2001 figures in the Generations line. For a simple reason:
THEY DON'T NEED UPDATES ANYWHERE NEAR AS BADLY!!!
Beast Wars and RiD (2001) set the standards for articulation that later lines are judged by, and the original toys are for the most part already more or less in line with modern scaling. And in some cases (particularly Leader-class figures), we'd probably get a smaller and somewhat dumbed-down remake of a toy that was just fine as-is.
G1, on the other hand? The scale of the original toys was all over the place, and the Diaclone molds are dwarfed by most modern TFs that turn into cars of the same relative size. There's also the fact that a lot of them are bricks. The G1 characters are the ones most in need of being brought up to modern standards and size, and continue to get made as a trial-and-error process, of coming up with more polished modern versions of their toys and of back-and-forth over what design direction to take. And also covering characters who hadn't been done before, of course.
I mostly agree with you, but the G1 well (especially the early G1 well) is running dry. In particular, I think a lot of Beast Wars could use affordable updates. Especially designs like Tiger-Hawk and Blackarachnia. I think we should still have Generations stick to G1 for now, but a few more Beast Wars figures coming up wouldn't hurt.
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989178)
Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:03pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:03pm CDT
Warden promised at SDCC that he's going to prove he's a Beast Wars and Armada fan in the coming years so we'll have to see what happens by the end of WfC.
Also I wonder if it's possible Barricade would be based on Wheeljack or Tracks, losers from the previous fan poll and definitely not happening in Siege, so they can turn around and make them later in the trilogy with ready-made molds.
Emerje
Also I wonder if it's possible Barricade would be based on Wheeljack or Tracks, losers from the previous fan poll and definitely not happening in Siege, so they can turn around and make them later in the trilogy with ready-made molds.
Emerje
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989183)
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:23pm CDT
Wut? I got him right next to me on my computer desk!
Posted by Skritz on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:23pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:Skritz wrote:We just had Optimal Optimus: to Warden, that's 'enough Beast Wars for a life time'.
OpOp still hasn't shown up at retail everywhere yet, so I'd argue we haven't actually had him yet.
Also, more Beast Wars anyways please, Warden, surprise us.
Wut? I got him right next to me on my computer desk!
Re: Instructions Images for Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Battle Masters (1989184)
Posted by Cyberpath on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:23pm CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:23pm CDT
Aww, these won't be out till Feb-Mar 2019. 
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:37pm CDT
Warden is so cryptic, isn't he? I wish I knew how he really feels about G1.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 14th, 2018 @ 4:37pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Warden: "They are cool, aren't they? I hear Takara's doing some pretty neat Beast stuff in their Masterpiece line. You should check that out. Oh, and speaking of Masterpiece, we're gonna bring over Takara's G1 cartoon-colored Prowl. Everyone loves G1. Here, check out our Siege line with all its G1 goodness. We really wanted to do right by G1, making everyone look really faithful to G1 in robot mode, especially these G1 characters, from G1, who look really G1, in this G1 line, based on G1..."Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, more Beast Wars anyways please, Warden, surprise us.
Warden is so cryptic, isn't he? I wish I knew how he really feels about G1.
