In-Package Images - Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Legends Huffer and Blackjack

Is this going to be the European packaging? The multilingual blurbs would suggest yes, as do the included cards with the Legends game artwork. If it is for the U.S., I'm not a fan of the truncated bios.

Emerje wrote:

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Except Prime's arm is clearly not a car, you can see a tail fin sticking off the back and it has no wheels. The shape isn't even a little right for Dragstrip, it's more in line with the square-ish body of G1 Blast Off. The side panels look like folded down wings to me (you can see flaps on the back) as well and they're on the back portion just like they would be on a shuttle. The gun on the back of the arm and the hand part also aren't the ones that comes with Dragstrip, notice that Alpha Bravo's hand is faithfully reproduced from the figure. As far as color goes I think it's entirely possible that they changed them to Dragstrip's when they realized it was much too early to reveal a third team and Dragstrip just happened to be the fourth figure of the first wave. When the other three limbs are so accurate to the figures how could the mess up Dragstrip so badly? Answer: It's not Dragstrip.

Emerje

I knew it! I thought that was blast-off since it was announced back at comic-con. It just looks too much like a shuttle, and too little like any of the other aerialbots.

In extension of this, the hands look like they share the same blue colour palette as the torso, rather than being purple ala dragstrip.

Bruticus confirmed for Wave 4

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Bounti wrote:Is this going to be the European packaging? The multilingual blurbs would suggest yes, as do the included cards with the Legends game artwork. If it is for the U.S., I'm not a fan of the truncated bios.

The on package information points to these being boxes that will be distributed in brazil and australia

Cobotron wrote:The dinobot thing is a real rumor.

From what source?

Va'al wrote:

Huffer's artwork is based on the previous Reveal the Shield Legends Optimus Prime toy instead of the Generations Legends Optimus that the actual Huffer toy is a remold of. Oops.

It's still not confirmed, after all how do we know that Bruticus may have been intended but then dropped, hence the re colouration into drag strip. After all that prime combines with the rest of the first wave so where is blast off unless he got kicked for menasor.

Another simple reason could be that the artist made a boo boo, and drew the wrong bot

Plus I'd rather predaking or piranhacon

Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

Two thumbs UP!

Huffer is kind of boring. It doesn't really look like Huffer; it just looks like an orange Optimus. But Blackjack looks awesome! (I'm a sucker for any black and purple TF.)

Huffer suffers a bit in the head-size department, but I'll wait on how he looks in-hand. Poor Optimus though, his body is being used left and right for other characters:

- Ultra Magnus
- Nemesis Prime
- Motormaster
- Huffer

At least the last two are retools.

Blackjack is a must-get, I love Micromaster homages.

Isn't the artwork from the Legends game? Would that not explain the 'mix-up'?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Huffer suffers a bit in the head-size department, but I'll wait on how he looks in-hand. Poor Optimus though, his body is being used left and right for other characters:

- Ultra Magnus
- Nemesis Prime
- Motormaster
- Huffer

At least the last two are retools.

Blackjack is a must-get, I love Micromaster homages.

I don't think they are done yet. With Huffer out, I bet Pipes is in the works as well.

Blackjack is awesome.

I realized something about this line that may be a smart move on Hasbro. Of course, they are claiming to older fans with this amazing G1 combiner homage. But also, by making it combiners, the incentive to buy these toys at full retail is increased. Waiting for toys to be discounted is something many older fans do (myself included). Add to that the fact that not all of us buy everything from a given line. I usually buy 2 out of the 4 of every generations wave due to a want to limit mold duplication in my collection. But now, with the fact that these are all pieces of a bigger puzzle (the legends class included), I would be buying the entire wave and probably at full retail price since I fear that waiting for a discount is a risk of not getting the whole set. A pretty smart move on Hasbro's behalf. So not only will I be giving Hasbro more money than ever next year with this line, but I will also be really happy of not having to pay a bigger sum for the Third Party combiners, and of actually owning some awesome Transformer Combiners. This Combiner Wars event is a real win win for Hasbro and fans, hats off to them.

It's a shame the partners are no longer included with the Legends. They weren't great but it was still an extra toy and character (Reflector finally returns).

They could've redecoed the existing ones to get a little more mileage out of them. I wouldn't have minded.

Thundercracker with BW Buzzsaw (Waspinator redeco)
Huffer with Moonrock (Roller redeco)
Bombshell with Needler (Chop Shop redeco)
Powerglide with Phaser (Payload redeco)
Windcharger with Groundpounder (Groundbuster redeco)
Blackjack with Treadshot (Reflector redeco)

william-james88 wrote:Blackjack is awesome.

I realized something about this line that may be a smart move on Hasbro. Of course, they are claiming to older fans with this amazing G1 combiner homage. But also, by making it combiners, the incentive to buy these toys at full retail is increased. Waiting for toys to be discounted is something many older fans do (myself included). Add to that the fact that not all of us buy everything from a given line. I usually buy 2 out of the 4 of every generations wave due to a want to limit mold duplication in my collection. But now, with the fact that these are all pieces of a bigger puzzle (the legends class included), I would be buying the entire wave and probably at full retail price since I fear that waiting for a discount is a risk of not getting the whole set. A pretty smart move on Hasbro's behalf. So not only will I be giving Hasbro more money than ever next year with this line, but I will also be really happy of not having to pay a bigger sum for the Third Party combiners, and of actually owning some awesome Transformer Combiners. This Combiner Wars event is a real win win for Hasbro and fans, hats off to them.

You know what I like to do? Get you a Target Redcard. Buy them at normal price. Since Target allows returns up to 90 days, if you EVER see them on sale, then just use your normal debit card to pay for them on sale, and then return them on your Redcard for the full refund.

I have saved a LOT at retail. Especially with those situations where you buy two or three at full price one week, and then the next week they are on sale.

Last year, I had bought GEN Thundercracker and Hoist at full price for 12.99 back in OCT. In DEC, Amazon was selling them both for an astounding $4 each. I bought both and returned them to Target for a refund of my $13, effectively making my price $4.

RiddlerJ wrote:It's a shame the partners are no longer included with the Legends. They weren't great but it was still an extra toy and character (Reflector finally returns).

They could've redecoed the existing ones to get a little more mileage out of them. I wouldn't have minded.

Thundercracker with BW Buzzsaw (Waspinator redeco)
Huffer with Moonrock (Roller redeco)
Bombshell with Needler (Chop Shop redeco)
Powerglide with Phaser (Payload redeco)
Windcharger with Groundpounder (Groundbuster redeco)
Blackjack with Treadshot (Reflector redeco)

I agree. And I surely hope they are not keeping the price @$10, since we are getting screwed out of a figure.

As cool as it was to get an extra figure, more often than not I didn't like the pairings they came up with. Cosmos and Payload was the only time I wanted both.

And ~$10 2-Packs have always done horribly at my stores. PCCs, HA Basics, Data Discs, Legends... 1st wave clogs the shelves and never EVER leaves.
But then these things are staying at $10, soooo....

You've got to be kidding me... I read about a possible repaint opportunity for Blackjack, and one that's a bit out of left field:



Throttlebot Searchlight

The head sculpt is spot on. And why didn't I see that? I have that toy!

[quote="Arctorro"]Amazon listings for CW Huffer and Blackjack with in package photos.



The version of Huffer on the package art looks so much better he even has a flap behind his head.

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

Wow, I just learnt about Orcam's razor, this site sure has some educated people around.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:The dinobot thing is a real rumor.

From what source?

Sabrblade, you got me. The source was my imagination. I just think it's awesome that this thread has 26 pages consisting of 92% speculation. I wanted to keep that ball rolling.

Although, I think a Dinobot team would be cool. I'm playing catch up on the comics, but where is Grimlok now? This would be a good reason to bring him back.
I feel like Hasbro might want to keep riding the Dinobot wave. Every toy maker knows Dinosaurs +anything=$$$$$

Sabrblade wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Huffer's artwork is based on the previous Reveal the Shield Legends Optimus Prime toy instead of the Generations Legends Optimus that the actual Huffer toy is a remold of. Oops.

Good eye Sabr B. That is totally the mini Prime.
In regards to the Ultra Prime illustration, I think it's important not to take the art for verbatim. If you look over 30 years of box art you will find a lot of inconsistencies through "artist's interpretation". (This, coming from a guy who just tried to start a rumor )

I think this mold almost makes a better Huffer than a Prime. He fits right into the classics line up. I'm so glad they are finally doing the mini's. Pipes is a no brainer.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

Wow, I just learnt about Orcam's razor, this site sure has some educated people around.

*cough* Occam's razor. *cough*

Alright. Somebody let me in. What's Orcam's razor?

Cobotron wrote:Sabrblade, you got me. The source was my imagination. I just think it's awesome that this thread has 26 pages consisting of 92% speculation. I wanted to keep that ball rolling.

oh cobo, you should know better


TELL US WHERE YOU HEARD THE RUMOUR!!!

Sorry wolfman I spell it how I say it

Cobotron wrote:Alright. Somebody let me in. What's Orcam's razor?

Well, Occam's razor states that in a situation with numerous possible explanations to describe some phenomenon, the explanation with the least number of assumptions made is preferred to any other, until or unless that assumption is otherwise disproven with new evidence or data.

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

No, it is because Bruticus is one of the five original gestalts and is only logical to be one of the combiners in the series.

Cobotron wrote:Alright. Somebody let me in. What's Orcam's razor?

Occam's razor is the idea that the hypothesis with the less assumptions is the correct one. There is a hypothesis that both the earth and the sun are the center of the galaxy. But the hypothesis regarding the sun being at the center has far less assumptions than the hypothesis about the earth being at the center.

Now, Optimus' arm being Dragstrip in the drawing has less assumptions than it being blast off. His arm being blast off assumes that there will be a blast off figure in that color scheme released, while there is no assumption to be made that dragstrip will be released, we already know he is.

Hence, there are less assumptions that Optimus is made up of those wave one figures than the yet to be revealed wave two figures. Occam's razor is the hypothesis with the least assumptions, and thus that Optimus drawing being of his combined form with the same transformers he is seen combined with on the back of his very own box is Occam's razor in this particular case.

It could also be this:

shockblast2 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

No, it is because Bruticus is one of the five original gestalts and is only logical to be one of the combiners in the series.

However, Combiner Wars is *directly* linked (multimedia cross-release) to the IDW exRID and next Windblade comics, and there has been no mention of Bruticus yet.

shockblast2 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

No, it is because Bruticus is one of the five original gestalts and is only logical to be one of the combiners in the series.

I dont think looking at the 5 original "gestalts" is the right way to look for waht they will do. Also, the word gestalt gets thrown around but it wasn't used back in the G1 days.
I believe the best thing to look at are teh Scramble City combiners because this is what Hasbro is doing with the 2 confirmed releases of Combiner Wars so far. They are not releasing Devastator within this line (as the rumour has it) because he was not part of the Scramble City line or type of combiner (he had 6 robots of the same size forming one bigger robot which is different).

Good news to you though, Bruticus was a Scramble City combiner, which means he is on the shortlist I have copy pasted below:

Autobots: Aerialbots (Superion), Protectobots (Defensor), Technobots (Computron)
Decepticons: Stunticons (Menasor), Combaticons (Bruticus), Terrorcons (Abominus)

What I really meant for with this post was to show you what logic would work best to show that Bruticus has a chance of appearing. I still think it would be odd to see another Bruticus release (with a generations Bruticus already available in a bunch of different releases and decos, a PPC Bruticus-like figure also available, and a magnificent Universe Onslaught figure (we will have so many Onslaughts now)).

But then again, they just amde a pretty faithful Abominus in the Prime line, so it really could go either way between Bruticus and Abominus. And with all the evidence of it being Defensor for the autobots, I am still really hoping for Computron.

Ah, Occam's razor.
Not to be confused with Orcam's razor...

Thanks fellas. Either way, it would be cutting holes all through this thread.

Don't forget the seacons were made scramble-city style and in their bw2 release they were only a five member team.

Also I forgot the new wingblade series that will probably allow for some other gesalt.

This looks to be the closest IDW series yet.

I wonder if it'll ever possible to do an all fembot combiner team

RiddlerJ wrote:I wonder if it'll ever possible to do an all fembot combiner team

That would be COOL!
She runs on Estragon.
Hope she gets paid the same as her male co-workers.

Now that's what I call "not" Huffer.

Once more, toy-blogger blacklai of TFND.net has uploaded images of one of the anticipated Generations: Combiner Wars figures, the newest being Aerialbot Skydive! The images show off his beefiness, his new F-18 jet mode, and his arm configuration. The images have been mirrored below for your viewing convenience!




















With the new images of Skydive, it brings the series of first in-hand images of the first wave of Generations: Combiner Wars Deluxes. We can only hope that we get in-hand images of the first wave of Voyagers: Silverbolt and Optimus Prime.

Why are we discussing the Huffer toy in a Combiner Wars thread ?

william-james88 wrote:Why are we discussing the Huffer toy in a Combiner Wars thread ?

cause he can pull ultra primes trailer when he's off being ultra

What can you with the individual bot mode guns?

Va'al wrote:Isn't the artwork from the Legends game? Would that not explain the 'mix-up'?

Nope. Though it is drawn in the style of the Legends game, it is brand new art. Huffer's robot mode Legends artworks look like these:

william-james88 wrote:Why are we discussing the Huffer toy in a Combiner Wars thread ?

Because he is officially part of it, plain and simple. He may not combine with anyone, but he's still released in that line, as the "Combiner Wars" logo on top of the card can attest:



I could see Leader Megatron and Thundercracker being treated the same way.

ZeroWolf wrote:What can you with the individual bot mode guns?

Hopefully Stack 'em and rack 'em into one BFG.

So far the pictures we've seen have me a little perplexed with the elbows in combined mode.
Hope they work well in hand.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You've got to be kidding me... I read about a possible repaint opportunity for Blackjack, and one that's a bit out of left field:



Throttlebot Searchlight

The head sculpt is spot on. And why didn't I see that? I have that toy!

Runabout's head seems closer a match:

As a "Legends Class" figure, does it mean Powerglide's going to be about 8 cm tall?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why are we discussing the Huffer toy in a Combiner Wars thread ?

Because he is officially part of it, plain and simple. He may not combine with anyone, but he's still released in that line, as the "Combiner Wars" logo on top of the card can attest:



I could see Leader Megatron and Thundercracker being treated the same way.

Makes sense, but will that hold for both Megatrons ? Though IDW bless them will work them all into the story (megs will be flashbacks as he has is own event in elegant chaos)

Cyberpath wrote:As a "Legends Class" figure, does it mean Powerglide's going to be about 8 cm tall?

He ought to be the same size as all the other Generations Legends we've gotten since 2013. Like Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Swerve, Cosmos, Tailgate, Skrapnel, Nemesis, Cliffjumper, Acid Storm, and Gears.

I'm the only who got an femmine vibe from Skydive?The face sculpt in particular.

Sabrblade wrote:He ought to be the same size as all the other Generations Legends we've gotten since 2013. Like Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Swerve, Cosmos, Tailgate, Skrapnel, Nemesis, Cliffjumper, Acid Storm, and Gears.

I don't have any of those; so yes?

Why do the Aerialbot jet modes all look so awful? They all have very visible hands sticking out of the jet mode! Even the G1 versions hid the hands inside the bodies!

I'm a bit of an aerospace savant, and although they could be easily confused (especially with the wonky proportions), Skydive appears to turn into a Mig-29 rather than an F/A-18. To my eye I'm 100% sure that they were looking at a picture of a Mig-29 when they designed that jet mode.