In-Package Images of Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG54 Bumblebee, LG55 Slugslinger, LG56 Perceptor, LG57 Octane
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All of the images have been mirrored below for your viewing convenience, and offer us a look at these Japanese versions of the figures released in the Hasbro Titans Return line as Legend, Deluxe, and Voyager class. What do you think of the differences? Will you be double-dipping, or were you waiting for these ones specifically? Let us know in the discussion in the Energon Pub!
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Posted by blackeyedprime on December 19th, 2017 @ 2:41pm CST
Bumblebee is a must for Spike and the clear windows even with me having the hasbro version.
Slugslinger is a must just from the hasbro version not being released here, so if I'm going for an import might as well give Takara the money.
Perceptor is a pass, I'm still happy with the classics figure that I haven't even picked up the hasbro titans return one yet, was waiting for reductions and I will have to find/import hasbro ramhorn for the titan master anyhoos.
Posted by Emerje on December 19th, 2017 @ 2:52pm CST
Emerje
Posted by megatronus on December 19th, 2017 @ 2:59pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 19th, 2017 @ 3:14pm CST
Posted by Cyberpath on December 19th, 2017 @ 5:21pm CST
Posted by Rated X on December 19th, 2017 @ 6:58pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 19th, 2017 @ 7:03pm CST
You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.
Posted by Evil Eye on December 19th, 2017 @ 7:06pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.
I can't be the only one baffled by the idea of people actually caring enough about The Rebirth to want toys slavishly accurate to it, right?
Posted by Randomhero on December 19th, 2017 @ 7:14pm CST
Black Hat wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.
I can't be the only one baffled by the idea of people actually caring enough about The Rebirth to want toys slavishly accurate to it, right?
-COUGH-
Posted by Sabrblade on December 19th, 2017 @ 7:21pm CST
You do know that's a secondary redeco done as an atypical bonus and not the main version of that toy, right?Randomhero wrote:-COUGH-
Posted by Randomhero on December 19th, 2017 @ 7:53pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:You do know that's a secondary redeco done as an atypical bonus and not the main version of that toy, right?Randomhero wrote:-COUGH-
That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory
Posted by Rated X on December 19th, 2017 @ 7:55pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.
I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 19th, 2017 @ 8:00pm CST
Yes. Coming after the main non-Rebirth version had already been done as the normal version of Hot Rod.Randomhero wrote:That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory
...Caliburst was in The Headmasters.Rated X wrote:I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on December 20th, 2017 @ 12:53am CST
Posted by fenrir72 on December 20th, 2017 @ 1:22am CST
I expect Amiami to give me a holler by Thursday! The recent delivery dump I got:
Sixshot
Brawn
Kickback
Doublecross
Misfire
Triggerhappy
Broadside
almost overloaded my circuits! Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
The rest of the gang this end is sure to please even more!
Posted by Rated X on December 20th, 2017 @ 3:28am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Yes. Coming after the main non-Rebirth version had already been done as the normal version of Hot Rod.Randomhero wrote:That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory...Caliburst was in The Headmasters.Rated X wrote:I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.
Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.
Posted by Rated X on December 20th, 2017 @ 3:34am CST
Black Hat wrote:Sabrblade wrote:You're thinking of the wrong cartoon. Takara ignores The Rebirth in favor of The Headmasters for their cartoon-accuracy.Rated X wrote:That is not a cartoon accurate deco. Slugslinger should be way darker, almost dark greenish blue. This is almost the same toy accurate blue as the Hasbro version.
I can't be the only one baffled by the idea of people actually caring enough about The Rebirth to want toys slavishly accurate to it, right?
The Rebirth is awesome and the Headmasters is massive pile of suck. It took Jon 3.0 like 4 years to make a couple of the Headmasters episodes watchable. Also the Headmasters deco is too similar to the hasbro toy deco. A nice blueish evergreen Slugslinger would have been great to differentiate the two versions beyond the targetmaster.
Posted by fenrir72 on December 20th, 2017 @ 4:34am CST
Rated X wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yes. Coming after the main non-Rebirth version had already been done as the normal version of Hot Rod.Randomhero wrote:That’s the rebirth version coming out in all its AKOM incorrect color scheme glory...Caliburst was in The Headmasters.Rated X wrote:I guess it goes better with that Headmasters accurate Caliburst he comes with.
Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.
Yo X! Not every so called experts here know what they are talking about despite their claim to.
Rebirth's storyline was much better imho except ole Hb no longer wanted to bankroll the series. HM had a lot of plotlines forced and left hanging like the forced death of Convoy, Rodimus' leaving then Fortress suddenly taking over I'd grant you that.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2017 @ 8:13am CST
I have honestly never heard anyone make that ridiculous claim. It's too absurd a claim to even fathom that someone could say so with a straight face. Anyone who says that there were no Targetmasters in The Headmasters cartoon is a big fat liar.Rated X wrote:Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 20th, 2017 @ 8:48am CST
Sabrblade wrote:I have honestly never heard anyone make that ridiculous claim. It's too absurd a claim to even fathom that someone could say so with a straight face. Anyone who says that there were no Targetmasters in The Headmasters cartoon is a big fat liar.Rated X wrote:Never seen this before. I was only going off of people on this site who have said numerous times that there were no targetmasters in the Japanese fiction.
I think perhaps this is a misunderstanding of the fact that "The Headmasters" didn't turn Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Cyclonus, and Scourge into Targetmasters like Hasbro did with the 1987 toyline and "The Rebirth" miniseries. Japan only stuck with the brand new characters for the Headmasters and Targetmasters without "refreshing" the older characters with new gimmicks.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 20th, 2017 @ 9:34am CST
fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Posted by fenrir72 on December 20th, 2017 @ 10:03am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Posted by steals_your_goats on December 20th, 2017 @ 10:12am CST
fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 20th, 2017 @ 11:17am CST
steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 20th, 2017 @ 11:59am CST
Posted by fenrir72 on December 20th, 2017 @ 6:23pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
Posted by bvzxa on December 20th, 2017 @ 8:36pm CST
blackeyedprime wrote:As bad as headmasters is (currently re-watching them and on the third discat the mo), Scorponoks already destroyed two planets which is pretty impressive and doesnt seem to suffer from autobots 'we've won now lets let them get away' as much if I'm remembering the originals correctly. I'll watch rebirth after I've finished all the japanese series if I can suffer through more 'head-on, head-on' and 'Billeeeee'
Oh man my heart goes out to you if you're watching the dub of Headmasters.
I have the subbed version downloaded years ago.
Posted by bvzxa on December 20th, 2017 @ 8:50pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
There is some instances where the plasitcs were different but its very few and far in between. And these days its either or. Example would be Skullcruncher. I bought both versions because the Takara version has a loose waist and ball joints at the legs. Got a Hasbro Skullcruncher and used parts from it to make 85% of my Takara version more stable.
Just like the seekers when it was noted that Henkei Thundercracker and Skywarp were molded from the Universe Starscream mold and not the Original Classics/ Henkei Starscream mold. The null rays ports are slightly bigger on the Universe Starscream mold, and it suffered from a certain looseness that the Henkei version of TC/SW had. However, when hen the United Seeker sets came out they used the original Classics mold. I mean If you have been in this hobby long enough you'll figure out what is what. I look at it as preference for what you want in your collection.
I wanted to know for myself if Takara Sixshot has the same looseness that Hasbro Sixshot has. Personally I want to kit bash them as the shade of Green on Legends Sixshot is not quite as green as the Headmasters Cartoon.
I prefer what Takara is doing especially with the Decepitcon Targetmasters but with the excpetion of Misfire and Sluglsinger I may stick to the Hasbro ones because in the case of Triggerhappy I think Hasbro's is perfect. maybe they will release an EX-Targetmaster set like they did for the Headmasters.
Posted by fenrir72 on December 20th, 2017 @ 9:51pm CST
bvzxa wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
There is some instances where the plasitcs were different but its very few and far in between. And these days its either or. Example would be Skullcruncher. I bought both versions because the Takara version has a loose waist and ball joints at the legs. Got a Hasbro Skullcruncher and used parts from it to make 85% of my Takara version more stable.
Just like the seekers when it was noted that Henkei Thundercracker and Skywarp were molded from the Universe Starscream mold and not the Original Classics/ Henkei Starscream mold. The null rays ports are slightly bigger on the Universe Starscream mold, and it suffered from a certain looseness that the Henkei version of TC/SW had. However, when hen the United Seeker sets came out they used the original Classics mold. I mean If you have been in this hobby long enough you'll figure out what is what. I look at it as preference for what you want in your collection.
I wanted to know for myself if Takara Sixshot has the same looseness that Hasbro Sixshot has. Personally I want to kit bash them as the shade of Green on Legends Sixshot is not quite as green as the Headmasters Cartoon.
I prefer what Takara is doing especially with the Decepitcon Targetmasters but with the excpetion of Misfire and Sluglsinger I may stick to the Hasbro ones because in the case of Triggerhappy I think Hasbro's is perfect. maybe they will release an EX-Targetmaster set like they did for the Headmasters.
I can't say much about the Destron Targetmasters though as I only have the JP versions. But from my initial inspection from the shelves of TRU, the Hb is a bit on the darker side, for Slugslinger and Triggerhappy.
6shot has that extra plastic stubs on the anterior of his knees. Not ratcheted but does locks them a bit/give some resistance, to add some stability . Why this slipped through during the design process for the Hb version is quite befuddling indeed.
The green on the Hb one is kind of like Mellow Yellow/7up green. The Takara more than approximates the "teal" from the show compared to Hb's version. Unless Toei releases an HD version so we can really tell how "teal" he is. So You're good with the Takara one if that's your pick.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 20th, 2017 @ 10:55pm CST
bvzxa wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:As bad as headmasters is (currently re-watching them and on the third discat the mo), Scorponoks already destroyed two planets which is pretty impressive and doesnt seem to suffer from autobots 'we've won now lets let them get away' as much if I'm remembering the originals correctly. I'll watch rebirth after I've finished all the japanese series if I can suffer through more 'head-on, head-on' and 'Billeeeee'
Oh man my heart goes out to you if you're watching the dub of Headmasters.
I have the subbed version downloaded years ago.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 21st, 2017 @ 8:42am CST
fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.
Posted by fenrir72 on December 21st, 2017 @ 6:48pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.
Not into opposing for the sake of it. I wonder who here is hot under the collar?
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on December 21st, 2017 @ 7:49pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.
Not into opposing for the sake of it. I wonder who here is hot under the collar?
Darn, you were supposed to mention 6shot's retooled knees again. You ruined the pattern!
(I was also going to be a smartass if that happened and ask if his knees were retooled.)
Posted by steals_your_goats on December 21st, 2017 @ 7:51pm CST
Posted by Cobotron on December 21st, 2017 @ 9:51pm CST
No need to poke the sleeping bear.
Posted by fenrir72 on December 21st, 2017 @ 10:00pm CST
TF-fan kev777 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!
I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.
Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?
Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)
Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.
Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.
Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.
Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.
I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.
Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.
Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.
Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.
Not into opposing for the sake of it. I wonder who here is hot under the collar?
Darn, you were supposed to mention 6shot's retooled knees again. You ruined the pattern!
(I was also going to be a smartass if that happened and ask if his knees were retooled.)
You want a brownie point? Too bad. None to give. Though I can still afford to double dip for 6shot. Can you? That's what's important.
As for someone else who need not be mentioned.........I give you Trump Eminem treatment. Must be driving latter crazy being ignored.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on December 22nd, 2017 @ 1:12am CST
Cobotron wrote:Now now friends.
No need to poke the sleeping bear.
...or the awake wolf.
Posted by Cyberpath on December 22nd, 2017 @ 10:14am CST
The Titans Return transformations continue to impress me. My favourite part is how the beast arms are stored in his torso in robot mode, without obstructing the wings movement. I also like the Dinobot-style transformation of the tail, wish Skullcruncher had something like this. Head-sculpt is very nice. Articulation's pretty good, too, could have used some wrists swivels -- especially since his hands are faces.
Never seen you before, you must be one of the Autobots' new recruits.
Your wings -- are you also a bat?
The name's Doublecross, Decepticon -- and I'm a dragon!
Doesn't matter. Bat or dragon,
you will fall under my psychic onslaught like everyone else!
Your mental powers are great, Mindwipe, but futile against one with two heads.
When one head falls prey your spells --
-- the other one is ready to pick up the slack -- and reflect your attack back at you!
Amateur!
Posted by Cobotron on December 22nd, 2017 @ 2:00pm CST
So good CP!
Posted by Cyberpath on December 22nd, 2017 @ 4:17pm CST
Posted by Cyberpath on December 23rd, 2017 @ 3:35pm CST
Misfire seem to have less steps than Triggerhappy, but he's got a cleaner robot-mode -- his wings are attached to his back and he doesn't have the guns flipped to the sides of his arms (of course it also means no gun-hands. But it's nice that they are not the same.)
Likeness to the cartoon is great. Head-sculpt is spot on. My only three complaints are: that his arms don't stretch to the sides like Doublecross.
That he doesn't have landing gear. I've always appreciated how HasTak usually included this feature in jet robots (even back in the day with simpler toys like the Aerialbots.) Oddly enough, Triggerhappy has it.
Annnd that he's a Headmaster. But the cockpit is pretty nice!
Some fun with the new toy...
Well, what do we have down there? Som'kind'f combat robot -- is it an Autobot or a human construct?
Time to investigate (and have some fun!)
Ow!!
He packs a mean punch!
It's'kay, my gun can pierce that armour piece o' cake...!
Blast! I've missed! And again! He's not even trying to evade my bolts, I'm just a lousy shot --
-- well, they don't call me Misfire for nothing. But when one weapon fails...
I'll simply manifest my energy blades --
-- backed by the force of my will -- they can cut through anything!
There, at last I got him!
-- now, the coup de grâce!
Well done, brave warrior, you've passed the test.
Who?!?
Megatron!?! You still function?!? (and twice the size!)
Yes. Now follow me, I'll tell you all about it.
The End..?
Posted by Sabrblade on December 23rd, 2017 @ 11:01pm CST
Posted by Cyberpath on December 24th, 2017 @ 4:19am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Don't go with him, Misfire! President Megatron will put you to work in his office building!
Posted by Tyrannacon on December 24th, 2017 @ 8:22am CST
The options for customization are your's of course in any case. You can go for a G2 approach or you can go for the Beast Era approach. You can find the instructions for LG63 G2 Megatron as well as the LG62 Targetmaster Windblade and LG 61 Clonetron sets.
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