In-Hand Pics of Transformers Combiner Wars Legends Skywarp

Yotsuyasan wrote:

Crimson Prime wrote:...seeing as I bought the Prime I'll pass on the repaint, or is not a repaint but a totally unpainted figure?

I'm in the same boat.... I'll be happy with my red Prime and his '84 limbs.

I'm actually disappointed that I didn't know white Prime was coming before I committed to getting red Prime. I try not to "Over Prime" and Whitie would have been a cool anomaly for the collection. I too will be happy with Red an '84 limbs, as that's how my 10 year old brain always imagined it.
The only thing that might tip the scale is if Maximus gives off a heavy Thunderclash vibe.

Sabrblade wrote:I might be tempted to get this to represent an updated version of Micromaster Hot Rodimus.

At least they managed to mould in his iconic lower arm blasters, unlike this new version? Guess that's the price of a repaint these days!

Cobotron wrote:
I'm actually disappointed that I didn't know white Prime was coming before I committed to getting red Prime. I try not to "Over Prime" and Whitie would have been a cool anomaly for the collection. I too will be happy with Red an '84 limbs, as that's how my 10 year old brain always imagined it.
The only thing that might tip the scale is if Maximus gives off a heavy Thunderclash vibe.

Heavier than the last attempt?



Also, the red prime is the way to go for anyone who cares in any way of having their toys represented in the fiction (or vice versa)

Maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I actually really dig the white Prime (Optimaxiwhatsits)

william-james88 wrote:Heavier than the last attempt?

I never noticed that before, so Thunderclash right there!

Did the regular Voyager Beast Hunters mould ever get that redeco done?

Everyone needs a Thunderclash in their collection!

not sure how you can hate or like white prime since he hasn't been shown yet.

robotmel wrote:Did the regular Voyager Beast Hunters mould ever get that redeco done?

Nope.

billie-Jean88 wrote:Heavier than the last attempt?

Oh I would have snatched that little gem right up had I ever seen him. Wasn't he a Canadian exclusive like the good Magnus?

Also, the red prime is the way to go for anyone who cares in any way of having their toys represented in the fiction (or vice versa)

YOu know where I stand on this.

weirdjaki wrote:Maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I actually really dig the white Prime (Optimaxiwhatsits)

Oh yeah! I love a good white Prime, it's just a cash/space/redundancy issue at this point. We'll see.
...and you're no weirder than anyone else in here.

Don't forget, the original rumor from Venksta said that Optimus Maximus would have a new headsculpt for his standard robot mode (leaving the combiner head the same, though).

Rodimus (Prime) looks great, definitely better than Blackjack. I'm really hoping that Prime doesn't have any issues posting on to Voyager Optimus as Blackjack does with Motormaster.

Sabrblade wrote:Don't forget...

I did!
Thanks for reminding me. *tune slowly changes*

Sabrblade wrote:

robotmel wrote:Did the regular Voyager Beast Hunters mould ever get that redeco done?

Nope.

Drat!
Back to my Lazy Custom Thunderclash then, its a WIP yet to be revealed!

Unless of course someone surpises us with this guy?

robotmel wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

robotmel wrote:Did the regular Voyager Beast Hunters mould ever get that redeco done?

Nope.

Drat!
Back to my Lazy Custom Thunderclash then, its a WIP yet to be revealed!

Unless of course someone surpises us with this guy?

Oh! That looks nice!

I can see the Club doing that, with a new head.

I'm excited / curious to see the white Prime. Mostly, will he be all white? What will the other colors be? Such an odd thing to exist. A new head sculpt would be fun.

Hmm... white Prime, white primer, maybe he is a DIY kit?

Cobotron wrote:

billie-Jean88 wrote:Heavier than the last attempt?

Oh I would have snatched that little gem right up had I ever seen him. Wasn't he a Canadian exclusive like the good Magnus?

Ha! I just saw what you did with my name there. And no, he wasnt exclusive to canada. I thought you had him for some reason. He was exclusive to Target though, as part of Predacon rising, the very same line that gave us Prime Skylynx and that clear plastic abominus (which you would love!). Here is the link to the entire exclusive line which the states had. Lucky for Canada, this all happened when Target was still around. Good times...

billie-jean-king88 wrote: clear plastic abominus (which you would love!).

Oh I have him, and I do!

peaces wrote:not sure how you can hate or like white prime since he hasn't been shown yet.

For me, at least, it just isn't something that I want, no matter what it looks like. The mold is not my favorite, and I don't need a third iteration of it after Optimus Prime and Motormaster. It doesn't represent any character in fiction that I have an interest in. I can't see any reason why I should have any interest in this toy.

Your mileage may vary.

megatronus wrote:

robotmel wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

robotmel wrote:Did the regular Voyager Beast Hunters mould ever get that redeco done?

Nope.

Drat!
Back to my Lazy Custom Thunderclash then, its a WIP yet to be revealed!

Unless of course someone surpises us with this guy?

Oh! That looks nice!

I can see the Club doing that, with a new head.

I called an eventual Thunderclash since before we even knew that Prime was a combiner
But look at the Motormaster chest design! It already has the Elite Guard Aubot symbol wings molded in

Fellow UK Seibertronian Crankcase79 brings us another update from the grey shores this side of the Atlantic, confirming what collectors knew, deep inside, to be true. In an unsurprising but still disappointing bout of retail logic, Hasbro has confirmed the following (thanks to Transformers Addicts Facebook group user David Polwarth: Wave 1 of Combiner Wars? No problem! Wave 3? Yeah, hitting stores between now and July! Wave 2: lol, nope. Read on below for the actual reply from Hasbro UK, and offer a shoulder to the Disgruntled Brits - and probably the rest of European distribution for now, too - in solidarity.

That's absolutely ridiculous. Especially the way they split the limbs between waves. UKers you have my sympathy (actually most of the stuff hasn't shown up here either, f'in Hasbro... I gotta buy everything online now).

So the long and short of it is this:

"The total amount of figures sold has reached the required amount for shipping new stock too late to be eligible for Wave 2. Therefore, Europe will get the later Wave 3 instead."

If that's the case, it proves assortments available for immediate order by stores gets rotated every few months, even if nothing gets ordered. The boat for Wave 2 has sailed for Europe it seems.

If it's any consolation I'm in indiana and never saw wave 1...

So it's OK for the toy shops to clog up the shelves with aweful Bayformer figures, but not the figures the fans want! What bunch of dingoes kidneys!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So the long and short of it is this:

"The total amount of figures sold has reached the required amount for shipping new stock too late to be eligible for Wave 2. Therefore, Europe will get the later Wave 3 instead."

If that's the case, it proves assortments available for immediate order by stores gets rotated every few months, even if nothing gets ordered. The boat for Wave 2 has sailed for Europe it seems.

I feel so bad for you guys! I wont complain as much in Canada anymore.

Alessandro, from Italy here.

First no Generations figures, than no AoE figures, then Wave 1 CW to give us hope and now this?

Hasbro...

GO "F" YOURSELF!

Well I guess I shouldn't complain too much about Wave3 not being available en masse in the US quite yet. No wave2 in the EU at all? Because they didn't meet 'quantity requirements'?

Does that mean wave 1 didn't sell enough units in the EU and they're writing them off as not worth it? Or that they didn't manufacture enough units so they have to cut off some markets that don't seem to be doing as well?

I thought the CW line was selling pretty well - hard to fathom it NOT selling in other places like the EU. It's certainly hard to find in stores, although my local wal-mart seems to have a monopoly on all the Wave1 Voyagers. Every new shipment on the shelf is another clutch of Silverbolts and Optimuses.....

The local TRU has about 10 wave 2 CW figures on the shelf - but I think that's because TRU has started charging $19.99 per deluxe. It's likely scaring off the casual buyer. Really, $20 smackers for one deluxe? May as well order from BBTS....

Que a gargantuan violin.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So the long and short of it is this:

"The total amount of figures sold has reached the required amount for shipping new stock too late to be eligible for Wave 2. Therefore, Europe will get the later Wave 3 instead."

If that's the case, it proves assortments available for immediate order by stores gets rotated every few months, even if nothing gets ordered. The boat for Wave 2 has sailed for Europe it seems.

I feel so bad for you guys! I wont complain as much in Canada anymore.

And the worst thing is that it has happened before. This is what happened in The Netherlands:

1) During Prime Robots in Disguise, the figure assortment was... wonky. It did not follow the figure order at all, leading me to believe that some assortments were skipped with some lucky carryovers (like a wave 2 figure in a wave 3 case) appearing later than planned. We did get all Deluxes eventually, either as first release or imported backstock, and almost missed Voyager Starscream.
2) Again during Prime, Beast Hunters this time, Deluxe Wave 2 was skipped entirely, going straight to Wave 3 with Skystalker, Ratchet and Dreadwing. Starscream was carried over into later waves, but Shockwave, Ripclaw (I'm so sad! ), Smokescreen and Bulkhead never made it here.
3) Further back during Energon, Hasbro just plain gave up. The only completed combiner was Superion Maximus, Bruticus Maximus was skipped entirely, and Constructicon Maximus, well... the first two limbs (Duststorm and Sledge) were released, the last two (Bonecrusher and Wideload) were at the very end of the line... Yeah...

So yeah, I'm not that surprised with the skip.

Shockwave7 wrote:Well I guess I shouldn't complain too much about Wave3 not being available en masse in the US quite yet. No wave2 in the EU at all? Because they didn't meet 'quantity requirements'?

Does that mean wave 1 didn't sell enough units in the EU and they're writing them off as not worth it? Or that they didn't manufacture enough units so they have to cut off some markets that don't seem to be doing as well?

I thought the CW line was selling pretty well - hard to fathom it NOT selling in other places like the EU. It's certainly hard to find in stores, although my local wal-mart seems to have a monopoly on all the Wave1 Voyagers. Every new shipment on the shelf is another clutch of Silverbolts and Optimuses.....

Here we still have wave 1 all over the place, depending on how much space a store has set aside: an Intertoys near the Dam Square in Amsterdam had an entire endcap of CW! It's the price that turns most people off: you're practically paying the price of a US Voyager for a simple Deluxe!

Here we're cluttered with wave 1 from Legion to Voyager (no leader, obviously...) in just some store chains and some stray cats in normal shops, but they're not advertised in any way... no TV spots, no sheets or ads in magazines, nothing.

And since Hasbro is a d**k at distribution, and has been for years since ROTF, collectors go straight to BBTS or RK and a give good middle finger at Hasbro Italy which by the way sells a 9 $ toy for 12 € (around 13,50 $).

But we got almost all Prime figures (at crazy prices, I paid Voyager 1 Predaking 42 €, 45 $)

Hey wait a sec. Does this mean that the wave 2 deluxe cards are now Canada exclusive? And is Canada the only one to get the international versions now? Who else could have had them, Russia? South Africa? Because I know HongKong gets the comics

WHAT?! I'm not even IN the EU and I know that's unfair and wrong! What the Hell, Hasbro? The European fanbase kept G1 alive longer than the US, dammit, you don't pull crap like this on them!

it's not hasbro's fault that stores didn't order wave 2

What a freakin' kick in the pants.
Big business = broken dreams.
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Heckfire wrote:WHAT?! I'm not even IN the EU and I know that's unfair and wrong! What the Hell, Hasbro? The European fanbase kept G1 alive longer than the US, dammit, you don't pull crap like this on them!

Remember back in G1 when Perceptor was not sold in the UK? deja vu again

Hold up - people are seriously railing against Hasbro for this? It sounds like retailers, salespeople or other such folks, whether associated with Hasbro or not, couldn't muster enough demand for the figures. If there's no demand, do people expect Hasbro to make an unwise business decision?

Also, I'm still in NYC, and still haven't seen anything wave 2. In fact, a couple wave 3 Legends figures have popped up. So... it's not like I'm in a different boat.

usa is only now starting to get wave 2

Really disappointed by this. I've been looking forward to buying these guys in the stores. As much as I can easily buy them off the online UK retailers like Kapow and Masterforce (as I like to support them too), I do enjoy hunting them down in my local stores. I tend to save my online purchases for exclusives and 3rd Party figures that I can't get in the shops.

I guess I'll have to commit to buying this wave online then, or else Drag Strip is going to be a very lonely Stunticon and Superion will continue to be missing a left leg.

So.... If anyone with the extra cash can, think about grabbing an extra wave 2 figure and helping out a mate across the pond by selling without mark-up.
They shouldn't have to suffer for poor ordering by their retailers.

megatronus wrote:Hold up - people are seriously railing against Hasbro for this? It sounds like retailers, salespeople or other such folks, whether associated with Hasbro or not, couldn't muster enough demand for the figures. If there's no demand, do people expect Hasbro to make an unwise business decision?

Also, I'm still in NYC, and still haven't seen anything wave 2. In fact, a couple wave 3 Legends figures have popped up. So... it's not like I'm in a different boat.

If it was a problem of lack of demand they wouldn't be planning on sending us wave 3 now, would they?

Hot spot has already been spotted in a few Smyths stores, I think. And him and Cyclonus are on their online store. Plus this reply from Hasbro confirms wave 3 is on it's way. I don't know who to blame, but it's business dickery keeping these figures off of our (and apparently your) shelves, not our lack of interest in them.

As always.

Time to pay stupid online prices from ebay then. Since Motormaster and maybe others sold out at places like Kapow in what seemed like seconds from the time they were listed simply because I don't have a bank balance to buy them at the case load the minute the pre-order comes up. As always.

I enjoyed leisurely collecting wave 1 at my own pace and budget from stores...

pretty much everyone crapped on menasor. the retailers could have felt the same way or were swayed by everyone saying menasor sucks.

hinomars19 wrote:

megatronus wrote:Hold up - people are seriously railing against Hasbro for this? It sounds like retailers, salespeople or other such folks, whether associated with Hasbro or not, couldn't muster enough demand for the figures. If there's no demand, do people expect Hasbro to make an unwise business decision?

Also, I'm still in NYC, and still haven't seen anything wave 2. In fact, a couple wave 3 Legends figures have popped up. So... it's not like I'm in a different boat.

If it was a problem of lack of demand they wouldn't be planning on sending us wave 3 now, would they?

Hot spot has already been spotted in a few Smyths stores, I think. And him and Cyclonus are on their online store. Plus this reply from Hasbro confirms wave 3 is on it's way. I don't know who to blame, but it's business dickery keeping these figures off of our (and apparently your) shelves, not our lack of interest in them.

As always.

Time to pay stupid online prices from ebay then. Since Motormaster and maybe others sold out at places like Kapow in what seemed like seconds from the time they were listed simply because I don't have a bank balance to buy them at the case load the minute the pre-order comes up. As always.

I enjoyed leisurely collecting wave 1 at my own pace and budget from stores...

Sorry but yes, this is retailers likely over ordering on wave 1 or lines just before it, looking at their inventory reports and deciding to skip a selection. It happens all the time, but in many cases it isn't noticed because wave allotments many times will have duplications.

The average buyer doesn't care what characters are in there, or that these are designed to be used together, that isn't their job.

And if as a territory not enough buyers request a wave then Hasbro won't release it.

This isn't a conspiracy, or malicious intent. Its supply &demand business practice.

Editor wrote:
Sorry but yes, this is retailers likely over ordering on wave 1 or lines just before it, looking at their inventory reports and deciding to skip a selection. It happens all the time, but in many cases it isn't noticed because wave allotments many times will have duplications.

The average buyer doesn't care what characters are in there, or that these are designed to be used together, that isn't their job.

And if as a territory not enough buyers request a wave then Hasbro won't release it.

This isn't a conspiracy, or malicious intent. Its supply &demand business practice.

Agreed with every new series in oz we find Wave 1 will choke up store shelves for ages with overstock and some waves will be skipped. With Combiner Wars and RID we seem to be lucky so far as the shops aren't ordering as much and the transformer displays are smaller so they seem to have learned from all the Wave 1 overstocks of the past few years. Does mean a lot of empty shelves but at least restocks are normally something new now.

Editor wrote:

hinomars19 wrote:

megatronus wrote:Hold up - people are seriously railing against Hasbro for this? It sounds like retailers, salespeople or other such folks, whether associated with Hasbro or not, couldn't muster enough demand for the figures. If there's no demand, do people expect Hasbro to make an unwise business decision?

Also, I'm still in NYC, and still haven't seen anything wave 2. In fact, a couple wave 3 Legends figures have popped up. So... it's not like I'm in a different boat.

If it was a problem of lack of demand they wouldn't be planning on sending us wave 3 now, would they?

Hot spot has already been spotted in a few Smyths stores, I think. And him and Cyclonus are on their online store. Plus this reply from Hasbro confirms wave 3 is on it's way. I don't know who to blame, but it's business dickery keeping these figures off of our (and apparently your) shelves, not our lack of interest in them.

As always.

Time to pay stupid online prices from ebay then. Since Motormaster and maybe others sold out at places like Kapow in what seemed like seconds from the time they were listed simply because I don't have a bank balance to buy them at the case load the minute the pre-order comes up. As always.

I enjoyed leisurely collecting wave 1 at my own pace and budget from stores...

Sorry but yes, this is retailers likely over ordering on wave 1 or lines just before it, looking at their inventory reports and deciding to skip a selection. It happens all the time, but in many cases it isn't noticed because wave allotments many times will have duplications.

The average buyer doesn't care what characters are in there, or that these are designed to be used together, that isn't their job.

And if as a territory not enough buyers request a wave then Hasbro won't release it.

This isn't a conspiracy, or malicious intent. Its supply &demand business practice.

I know there is no conspiracy and what not, but what most people call 'business practice' I call 'business dickery'! It surprises me how little care Hasbro has for it's product-I know it's not the retailer's job to know or care what they carry (though, you'd think it should be...) but why bother making product if you don't see it given care and attention? Mind you, I'm no expert but I read enough here-it worries me how little control any company has on distribution; being at the hand of retailers just seems...bah why bother. It's business. who gives 2 hoots right? It's what the rules say so blah blah blah...
Not like it matters. Hasbro will still have phantom money in it's pockets to crank out more products that half of us won't be allowed to buy and the cycle just keeps going whilst we let the wind blow by us.

What a funny ol' world.
Cobotron said it best.

hinomars19 wrote:I know there is no conspiracy and what not, but what most people call 'business practice' I call 'business dickery'! It surprises me how little care Hasbro has for it's product-I know it's not the retailer's job to know or care what they carry (though, you'd think it should be...) but why bother making product if you don't see it given care and attention? Mind you, I'm no expert but I read enough here-it worries me how little control any company has on distribution; being at the hand of retailers just seems...bah why bother. It's business. who gives 2 hoots right? It's what the rules say so blah blah blah...
Not like it matters. Hasbro will still have phantom money in it's pockets to crank out more products that half of us won't be allowed to buy and the cycle just keeps going whilst we let the wind blow by us.

What a funny ol' world.
Cobotron said it best.

Huh?

How many individual stores does Hasbro provide product for in the world? How would they even do as some here are suggesting and not go bankrupt? Realistically, as long as Hasbro sells product (not individual waves) to retail, they do business. Sure, it's highly inconvenient for us collectors. But, it's not a big deal to most who buy the products.

william-james88 wrote:Hey wait a sec. Does this mean that the wave 2 deluxe cards are now Canada exclusive? And is Canada the only one to get the international versions now? Who else could have had them, Russia? South Africa? Because I know HongKong gets the comics

Not quite: here in Brazil we've already gotten the Wave 2 of deluxes with the cards (Air Raid and the stuntucons, sans Dragstrip obviously) about two months ago, along with Wave 1 of voyagers (Optimus and Silverbolt; already have my "Superion" with three stunticon limbs ), legends (Bombshell, Powerglide, Thundercracker and Windcharger) and leaders (Both megatrons). Damn, even Platinum inseticons and Blitzwing/Astrotrain and YOTG Optimus and Soundwave are here, but no comics for us...

Meanwhile at Walmart, wave two came in and within the month was marked down for clearance by %50. Makes me doubt that I'll see wave 3.

I do not know if it has been said yet, but I found the wave 1 combiner wars deluxes with comics in my Punxsutawney Walmart over the weekend. No pictures as I cannot upload anything to hear mobily, but I did see them, so they are in the US.

Soooooo.....has anyone yet seen Wave 1 with comics? Just curious....

Agamemnon wrote:Soooooo.....has anyone yet seen Wave 1 with comics? Just curious....

Yes! I saw Drag Strip with his comic today at a TRU. I asked the folks in the Action Figures department, and they said they were getting more stock in tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be able to get all 4 wave 1 figures with the comic pack in on my way to work tomorrow.