In-Hand Images - Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Optimus Prime, Including Ultra Prime

NOT a fan of this Optimus figure for a couple of reasons....the proportions seem off...the arms and torso are oddly long. His head is too small for that body- you can tell it was designed for Motormaster first.

Also, that "Ultra Prime" mode is not terribly appealing. Especially with the chest windows opened up to all that textured/patterned plastic-looks a fair bit better closed, with the truck windows as Ultra Prime's chest. I get why they made this version of Optimus into a combiner (so they could leverage more use out of and justify the Motormaster mold), but to me, it's not appealing as a good Optimus figure or a combiner torso.

I never thought I'd see the day when we got an update to Energon Optimus. Actually, hoped.

I like it.

I don't like it... Pass

Gotta love it when the designers get cheeky like that I love the fact the chest of the combined mode is actually a dual homage:

Closed: God Ginrai / Power Optimus Prime with Apex Armor
Opened: Energon Super Optimus Prime / Grand Convoy Super Mode

I wonder if we can expect a redeco/retool of Blackjack especially for Prime, in the opened chest there are two pegs that serve no purpose whatsoever (another clue that Motormaster actually came first).

By the way, given people's penchant for wanting redecos of the Stunticons into Autobots, here's another idea Amelie and I discussed: Turbomasters (look them up)! The line-up:

Thunderclash: Optimus Prime (maybe with retooled heads?)

Scorch: Offroad
Boss: Dragstrip
Flash: Breakdown
Hurricane: Dead End

I would suggest their rival Predators as redecos of the Aerialbots, except they're all jet and Alpha Bravo is a helicopter...

I really feel like something there is supposed to rotate upward about 90 degrees to turn those big empty panels into shoulder armor...

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I wonder if we can expect a redeco/retool of Blackjack especially for Prime, in the opened chest there are two pegs that serve no purpose whatsoever (another clue that Motormaster actually came first).

I'd be more surprised if we don't get a re-tool into Roller at some point.

Though for me I probably wouldn't get it. I like the openness of Prime's combined form.

It's all right but a pass for me.OP'S mold looks better as Menasor's

Optimus Maximus? Sh#t! YEAH!

I like it, waiting to see in the comics how it plans out.

But I got to say, I love the idea of the Thunderclash combiner with the turbomasters. As for the predators, best option is to se one of the molds again and try to retool the wings.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:By the way, given people's penchant for wanting redecos of the Stunticons into Autobots, here's another idea Amelie and I discussed: Turbomasters (look them up)! The line-up:

Jelze, I assume your talking to me
I like this idea, as long as they come in those wonderfully garish decos. Thunderclash would be cool.

I'm usually the guy who is not excited for yet ANOTHER Optimus figure,
but I am for this one. I like that he is very differant than what we have been seeing lately, or what we're used to.
Ultra Prime's head sculpt is C C C COOOOOOL!

this mold only works for MM imo. I'd hate to see the mighty Thunderclash stuck with this stumpy brick mold.....they already F'd this years CHUG Prime.

A new set of windows in every mode!

He really needs an abdomen, though. Chest->Hips makes the whole thing weird and squatty and raises the question of how does a Voyager combiner-core look no better than a Deluxe combiner-core.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I wonder if we can expect a redeco/retool of Blackjack especially for Prime, in the opened chest there are two pegs that serve no purpose whatsoever (another clue that Motormaster actually came first).

Roller's the obvious choice, but I'd like to see them go all out on the Masquerade theme and turn Blackjack into, I dunno, Bumblebee or someone.
Or for irony's sake Hot Rod.

Noideaforaname wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I wonder if we can expect a redeco/retool of Blackjack especially for Prime, in the opened chest there are two pegs that serve no purpose whatsoever (another clue that Motormaster actually came first).

Roller's the obvious choice, but I'd like to see them go all out on the Masquerade theme and turn Blackjack into, I dunno, Bumblebee or someone.
Or for irony's sake Hot Rod.

Oh guys, I have some good news for you (might be newsed, maybe not). You were wondering what the pegs on Optimus would be for. Well how about this answer: they are for EVERYONE! (que Gary Oldman voice)

So I'm in the minority with preferring the turbo master idea rather then a throwaway idea from one g1 episode. The mold choices wouldn't work for bee, Prowl and jazz. Mirage is the only one that works still as drag strip is a F1

You know, using Windcharger as a chest piece for Optimus makes a lot of sense (if it's legit anyway)! Better yet, it frees up Offroad/Wildrider's position in the giant.

never liked the idea of a combining optimus prime.

for the life of my i cant say why as i'd no prob with powermaster prime, and even energon prime didtn bother me.

i guess i just like my old school combiners to be actual teams as opposed to a "swithch and mix" pool of characters.

i know the "combiner wars" story is prob going to allow all that and hey i reckon theyre gonna have some great story ideas come from it.

its just if i was buying these things i cant see myself sticking a stunticon with an aerialbot and so on.

just the way i am i guess so that primes a pass for me.

looking forward to see how it all works out though as overall im delighted were getting retools of the classics. (pleas god give us a decent abominus down the line ! )

william-james88 wrote:Oh guys, I have some good news for you (might be newsed, maybe not). You were wondering what the pegs on Optimus would be for. Well how about this answer: they are for EVERYONE! (que Gary Oldman voice)

So basically, Optimus (and presumably Motormaster) can combine with literally any Transformer? That's awesome.

Noideaforaname wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Oh guys, I have some good news for you (might be newsed, maybe not). You were wondering what the pegs on Optimus would be for. Well how about this answer: they are for EVERYONE! (que Gary Oldman voice)

So basically, Optimus (and presumably Motormaster) can combine with literally any Transformer? That's awesome.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's been tooled especially for prime, allowing for a combination that motormaster can't do.

Out of those pictures I personally like the thunder cracker one, it also makes sense given the story so far.

Noideaforaname wrote:Or for irony's sake Hot Rod.

I like this

william-james88 wrote:.they are for EVERYONE!

HOOOOORAY!!!!


I'm diggin' jet chest.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You know, using Windcharger as a chest piece for Optimus makes a lot of sense (if it's legit anyway)! Better yet, it frees up Offroad/Wildrider's position in the giant.

That crossed my mind too. It was Windcharger's magnetic powers that allowed the combination in the first place, so making him part of the torso just makes sense if you want to recreate/reimagine "The Masquerade." Maybe then Offroad could be repainted/remolded into Ironhide?

Also, I think the conjecture that CW Optimus Prime was remolded from Motormaster is a little off base. It's much more likely they were simply developed concurrently, like Universe 2008 Sunstreaker and Sideswipe. Sideswipe is not a retool of Sunstreaker, nor does it go the other way around. The mold was always designed to be both of them, just using alternate heads and a waste rotation during Transformation (plus switching the fists during assembly) to achieve the different looks. Too much of CW Optimus Prime looks like Optimus Prime, and too much of Motormaster looks like a concession of sharing a mold with Prime compared to his G1 representation, to make me think they started with Motormaster. The intent was always a two-for-one deal with that mold, I'd say.

Wolfman Jake wrote: The intent was always a two-for-one deal with that mold, I'd say.

You're one smart puppy, Wolfie.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You know, using Windcharger as a chest piece for Optimus makes a lot of sense (if it's legit anyway)! Better yet, it frees up Offroad/Wildrider's position in the giant.

That crossed my mind too. It was Windcharger's magnetic powers that allowed the combination in the first place, so making him part of the torso just makes sense if you want to recreate/reimagine "The Masquerade." Maybe then Offroad could be repainted/remolded into Ironhide?

Or maybe Hound for his illusion powers?

Wolfman Jake wrote:Also, I think the conjecture that CW Optimus Prime was remolded from Motormaster is a little off base. It's much more likely they were simply developed concurrently, like Universe 2008 Sunstreaker and Sideswipe. Sideswipe is not a retool of Sunstreaker, nor does it go the other way around. The mold was always designed to be both of them, just using alternate heads and a waste rotation during Transformation (plus switching the fists during assembly) to achieve the different looks. Too much of CW Optimus Prime looks like Optimus Prime, and too much of Motormaster looks like a concession of sharing a mold with Prime compared to his G1 representation, to make me think they started with Motormaster. The intent was always a two-for-one deal with that mold, I'd say.

True, it's also possible that when doing the drawings they thought "Hey, they're both trucks, why not make an Optimus out of him?" Another question for the BotCon 2015 Hasbro panel

looks pretty cool with that jet on his chest

On the subject of Ultra Prime, I can't help but think he's just standing on top of the two legs in his gestalt form. Seriously, it looks like he's walking on robot stilts! It's too bad they couldn't have hidden the robot mode feet for torso mode (or the robot mode fists sticking out of Prime's "shoulder blades").

Actually at first with Sideswipe and Sunstreaker they were only going to be differentiated by alternative heads then some had the bright idea to rotate the chest

Wow, that's stupid...

the only thing i find cool about that prime is the combined mode head. its cool. but all i see when i look at this is motormaster.

An Energon homage?

I guess I'm obligated to get this guy now, huh?

I will say, these images make him look LOADS better. Still not digging a lot of the robot mode, but the combined mode is kickass, especially that combined mode's head sculpt!

Trukk and Munky

william-james88 wrote:Oh guys, I have some good news for you (might be newsed, maybe not). You were wondering what the pegs on Optimus would be for. Well how about this answer: they are for EVERYONE! (que Gary Oldman voice)

Finally my dream of having Tailgate in a combiner team can be realized!! And Insecticon Chestburster!!

The only things I'm not big on are kinda minor, I'd like to see more painted detail in Ultra Prime's chest cavity for one. Seems like he really looks like a 'bot standing on two bots a little bit too unfortunately. His arms look a little bit too kibbly in robot mode, with those parts extending over his wrists. That being said I'd probably willing to overlook those things a bit if his Ion Cannon was big enough to match a voyager sized Optimus!

Madeus Prime wrote:And Insecticon Chestburster!!

Dammit, I was all content just getting Bombshell, but now I *HAVE* to buy Optimus too...

Noideaforaname wrote:

Madeus Prime wrote:And Insecticon Chestburster!!

Dammit, I was all content just getting Bombshell, but now I *HAVE* to buy Optimus too...

No, don't waste your money, just buy Motor-Master, he is exactly the same

Mindmaster wrote:An Energon homage?

I guess I'm obligated to get this guy now, huh?

I will say, these images make him look LOADS better. Still not digging a lot of the robot mode, but the combined mode is kickass, especially that combined mode's head sculpt!

speaking of a Energon Homage i still wait for something for the 10th/ 11th anniversary of Energon, 11th/12th of Armada and the 9th/ 10th of Cybertron.
i like how the torso for Ultra Prime looks but seriously aerial bots plus drag strip for limbs i would better like the idea of characters like Rodimus(Energon), thunder clash, Star saber (for no particular reason), Fire Guts Ginrai(no particular reason) as limbs which in my opinion would make a better Ultra Prime

I was wondering how they might do the rumored leader Ultra Magnus, and Op's combiner head just clinched it for me. The trailer will probably consist of pieces which partsform into the arms and legs (and chest?). It would also make Ultra Magnus compatible with all the Combiner Wars stuff.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

frogbat wrote:i'm digging these so much.. the only niggles are the hands showing (they could've had them fold inwards or something) and well I have 3 ultra class figures that will get overshadowed by this lot

Powerglide, Silverbolt, ...
who's the third?

If you mean Onslaught, the third and fourth team have yet to be announced/or confirmed, so they could be anyone.

yeah I went on the assumption that hasbro are not so batshit crazy as not to release combaticons later down the line.

think i might pass on prime tho...

I have the entire set on pre-order at RK (Voyager/Deluxe/Legends) just waiting impatiently now...

Edit: Until wave 2 is here I'll probably just have Ultra Prime on display combined...

Wow, he needs to be renamed Beefcake Prime. His torso and arms are just too beefy fore me. I'm not bothered about this Optimus as I'm not interested in the idea of a combining Prime. I have been looking for an upgrade to the Classics Prime and this one won't be ousting him. I think the beefy mould will suit Motormaster a lot better.

I was on the fence about Menasor, mainly because I didn't like the big torso, but now my suspicions are confirmed. You don't have to include Blackjack (or any other Legends car, for that matter) as part of the chest. I much prefer the way it looks with the chest piece closed. Menasor may be back in the running for me! However, having said that the V shape of Thundercracker's jet looks kinda cool, and I do like the amusing idea of an Insecticon chestburster. The options are nice at least, but I'm glad you don't have to have Blackjack in there to complete Menasor, and that his chest piece closes so he won't end up looking like he's been gutted.

Why did they have to make Prime a combiner? This is the butt ugliest thing since...

Well, I guess this is the butt ugliest thing I've ever seen.

Cobotron wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Or for irony's sake Hot Rod.

I like this

william-james88 wrote:.they are for EVERYONE!

HOOOOORAY!!!!

I'm diggin' jet chest.

oh man... i would kill for a hotrod/star convoy homage.

and yeah hooray! this is like, the most exciting development to come out of CW so far! (to me anyways)

To those assuming that Motormaster can also attach any legend. So far we've only seen this feature on Prime, and as Wolfman said it's likely that prime and MM were both created at the same time so maybe for MM it's blackjack only.

That said an ultra Magnus out of this looks increasingly likely, though I'd rather have armour on a minimus ambus figure, then another prime repaint.

ok. my views on optimus:
-those arms in his bot mode are unfortunate. i can look past it, especially since i dont buy combiners to pose em seperately
-i REALLY like the torso he makes, chest pieces closed or open.
-what i dont like it how the open chest is barren of paint apps. hopefully takara fills in those spots, because theres some great details in that sculpting.
-the combined head, is phenomenal.

im excited about the two following prospects:
-the recent reveal of him being compatible with (all?) legends figures.
-and picturing him "scramble city'ing" with every other figure yet to come out. with all the possibilities we "could" get... my head is spinning!

As a stand alone figure Prime doesn't look half bad.


In combined mode however, he doesn't look very good.

Well, I hope you guys enjoy your Combiner Wars whilst I'm stuck with AoE one-step changers, shampoo bottles and the upscaled Prime Legion figures...

I'm really pleased with these pics. Can't wait.

You know, to further the Energon Optimus homage, the Spark of Combination-esque design inside of Ultra Prime's chest just might be the Enigma of Combination.

Looks awful in alt' mode, looks awful in robot mode and looks even worse in combined mode.

I fear for Menasor!

Sabrblade wrote:You know, to further the Energon Optimus homage, the Spark of Combination-esque design inside of Ultra Prime's chest just might be the Enigma of Combination.

ya know Sabrblade with all of this TF Energon homage talk i am so ready for Energon's 12 anniversary and what might be new on the table

i always knew silverbolt was a dickhead.