In Package Images of Transformers Power of the Primes Optimal Optimus, Novastar and Prime Masters

So looking at predaking's package art there are a few extras, but i also see who looks like Jazz and Outback

Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line. Although I suppose how they've used him as a mech suit to Primal is inkeeping with the PotP line. Never been a fan of the Optimal design. Even stranger they've given him the Monkey on a Surfboard altmode too.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Oh ok, fair enough. I thought he was just a random BW nod.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Oh ok, fair enough. I thought he was just a random BW nod.

He's the big deal figure for this line. The one chosen to inherit the Matrix as the new leader of Cybertron with the Power of the Primes.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line. Although I suppose how they've used him as a mech suit to Primal is inkeeping with the PotP line. Never been a fan of the Optimal design. Even stranger they've given him the Monkey on a Surfboard altmode too.

I find the latter awesome, really.

I understood that and what they were going for, hence why I said he was inkeeping with the line. I only noticed it at all, when I just logged in and saw the toy on one of the side articles. As I said, I wasn't a fan (I actually thought it one of the worst (if not The Worst) BW designs) so it intrigued me to see it's return.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

Optimal Optimus is Optimus Primal.

I'm really hoping for a Primal Prime repaint.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

Optimal Optimus is Optimus Primal.

For a guy with a Beast Wars avatar I'm more than amused that you somehow don't know that, William-james88.

Skritz wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

Optimal Optimus is Optimus Primal.

For a guy with a Beast Wars avatar I'm more than amused that you somehow don't know that, William-james88.

I was making an argument on semantics.

A toy for Optimus Primal was voted, not a toy for Optimal Optimus. Its like getting a micromaster Hot Rod when we voted Rodimus or getting Cybertron Leo Breaker when voting for Cybertron Overhaul.

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

Optimal Optimus is Optimus Primal.

For a guy with a Beast Wars avatar I'm more than amused that you somehow don't know that, William-james88.

I was making an argument on semantics.

A toy for Optimus Primal was voted, not a toy for Optimal Optimus. Its like getting a micromaster Hot Rod when we voted Rodimus or getting Cybertron Leo Breaker when voting for Cybertron Overhaul.

What's in a name? Using the Optimal Optimus body was the only way to make it work with the gimmick, really, especially since he got that body via Optimus Prime's Spark, housed in a Matrix container. Insert your own interpretation here, I say it's a bit of a cheat that works.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

Considering that Optimal Optimus is the version of Primal that fused with Optimus Prime's spark it makes sense that he would be the 'Prime' form of him, so he makes sense. Furthermore aside from the original (which makes sense to join the ranks of Orion and Hot Rod) Optimal Optimus is the only one who isn't more organic than techno.
Original Optimus Primal and Optimal Optimus look like latter's the evolution of the former. Transmetal and BM bear little resemblence to the other 2, aside from alt mode.

I could have been worse. They could have used Cheetor and the monstrous BM Cheetor as his Mech Suit

He's Optimal Optimus because evolution gimmick. The potential to have him evolve from regular Optimus Primal (who can be seen on the back photo) to Optimal Optimus is why he was put on the poll in the first place.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:He's Optimal Optimus because evolution gimmick. The potential to have him evolve from regular Optimus Primal (who can be seen on the back photo) to Optimal Optimus is why he was put on the poll in the first place.

That was never mentioned in the poll. Are you saying that if Shockwave won we would have had a Shockwave doing the same gimmick rather than them simply releasing a shockwave in another class? What about Arcee?

Hotconvoy wrote:So looking at predaking's package art there are a few extras, but i also see who looks like Jazz and Outback

hopefully he will have a big sword

I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

Ultra Markus wrote:

Hotconvoy wrote:So looking at predaking's package art there are a few extras, but i also see who looks like Jazz and Outback

hopefully he will have a big sword

Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

It's an Optimus, that's all there is to it.

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

I think you would be surprised.

That predaking art is pretty nice and still seems weird that they would put him out without some signature pieces like his spiked knuckles and sword. Unless they are just for the sdcc version.

I'm pretty sure that the purpose of the "Who's Your Prime?" poll was specifically to determine the 3rd Leader-class mold for Power of the Primes, I seem to remember reading people talking about that. I also could have sworn people talking about him evolving to Optimal Optimus well before we got these photos, back before PotP even hit stores.

So yes, had Arcee or Hound or Shockwave or Deathsaurus won, they would have had to find a way to do them as an evolving Leader-class figure out of them (which would involve making up smaller unevolved body with Deathy and probably Shockwave too).

The other candidates played into it more obviously.
* Ultra Magnus: ...Enough said, really.
* Megatron: Evolving to most likely Galvatron (corresponding with Rodimus Prime) or else maybe to Super or Ultra Megatron.
* Thunderwing: Adaptation of his Mega Pretender gimmick
* Star Saber: "Evolving" from Saber to Star Saber, working basically like the original toy.
* Optimus Primal (yes, I say this is obvious): Evolving from his regular body to the Optimal Optimus body, since that fits with the Prime themeing and also works better size and engineering-wise than having him evolve to the Transmetal body.

As for why Optimal Optimus has the Transmetal form's "ape on a surfboard" mode I'm guessing someone on the design team is reeeally fond of that idea since the Beast Wars 10th-anniversary Deluxe Optimus also had a surfboard despite otherwise being largely based on Primal's original body.

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

It's hard to get actual numbers on Beast Wars fans because I think many of them 'assimilated' into the larger fandom. As in they started with Beast Wars and have fond nostalgia for it but they're not exactly the same kind of diehard purist loyalist that 'true fan Geewunners' are. Odds are you'll never see a Beast Wars fan who is JUST a fan of that ONE SHOW and nothing else.

Although honestly, with Hasbro pandering so much to Generation 1 and giving a few cookies to the non G1-toylines (and, really, mostly during anniversaries of Beast Wars and Thrilling 30 for Armada Starscream with the oddball Titans Return Tidal Wave in a boxset) I seriously thought Ultra Magnus would win.

Heck, I'm a Beast Wars fan and I wouldn't have minded Thunderwing or Star Saber winning, even if I voted for Primal obviously. Damn, I even casted in that vote thinking there was no way he would win because of how much the fanbase remain G1-centric and because newer generations who got in during Unicron Trilogy, Bayformers or Aligned would find that poorly-aged CGI show some sort of weirdass 'thing' that kinda happened and died off.

Huh... Well, I WAS feeling pretty confident that Wave 4 would have characters that haven't been revealed, yet.

Feeling less confident, now. The lack of Chromia and Greenlight-or-Lancer is a real kick in the d*ck. Seriously. One could have even been a Legends-class and it would have (potentially) put all six in one combiner.

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

Is there any proof that he was planned before the vote?

Somehow I find it very hard to believe not that Hasbro would rig votes ('course they would and could if they wanted to) but rather find it hard to believe that Hasbro would bother rigging stuff for a Beast Wars character over anyone from Generation 1: it doesn't add up to the tastes and preferences of the people in charge.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Huh... Well, I WAS feeling pretty confident that Wave 4 would have characters that haven't been revealed, yet.

Feeling less confident, now. The lack of Chromia and Greenlight-or-Lancer is a real kick in the d*ck. Seriously. One could have even been a Legends-class and it would have (potentially) put all six in one combiner.

Well we knew what Wave 4 had all along and we learnt at NYCC that Wave 4 would be the last wave and then be followed immediately by War for Cybertron. So it was basically confirmed that we wouldnt get any other deluxe aside from Novastar. However, all these fembots have cybertrnian alt modes so this doesnt change any chance that we will eventually get them.

Just not part of POTP.

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

John Warden and his team are known for not liking Beast Wars. Why in the world would they rig a vote in favor of a character they didn't want to make? Plus, with the aura of mystery and the wild-card thing, it was pretty obvious they wanted Deathsaurus to win. As for votes, it's easy to explain Primal's victory. The G1 vote was split between 3 different characters (Magnus, SS, and Deathsaurus), whereas Beast Wars fans could all unite behind a single character.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

Or maybe they had done design work on all 3, and just continued working on the one that won. I find it hard to believe that Trypticon was always planned to be the second TR titan, since both Omega and Scorponok would have made more sense in a Headmaster-oriented line.

Skritz wrote:Somehow I find it very hard to believe not that Hasbro would rig votes ('course they would and could if they wanted to) but rather find it hard to believe that Hasbro would bother rigging stuff for a Beast Wars character over anyone from Generation 1: it doesn't add up to the tastes and preferences of the people in charge.

This was the point I was going to make. If the G1 love going around in Hasbro, its hard to see it rigged in favor of a BW figure. I didn't grow up with Beast Wars (I was barely a thought when it came out), but it's second to Prime in my book. So the OP release has made me happy. I think the engineering team had these choices already in the concept stage.

I would have loved a Deathsaurus, but I'm not sure how he could have pulled off a 'Leader Evolution' gimmick properly: even Hound and Arcee are easier to imagine as just some trailer. But Deathsaurus? He's a robotic space chicken kaiju.

Autobot N, the Thunderwing, Arcee, Hound, and Megatron featured on the poll are also G1 characters. What, did they not get any votes?

Also, how would Omega Supreme have made more sense in a Headmaster line than Trypticon? Trypticon at least actually featured in The Headmasters, in which Omega Supreme nowhere to be found. Are you getting G1 Omega Supreme confused with the Energon incarnation?

Now, Scorponok would have been more fitting than Trypticon thematically, but I can see how figuring out how to do his head would have caused some hassle or at least delay. Especially having to contend with the "One head fits all" design stricture. Trypticon, they could just turn Full Tilt into a headmaster and call it a day and he'd be tied in.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Autobot N, the Thunderwing, Arcee, Hound, and Megatron featured on the poll are also G1 characters. What, did they not get any votes?

Also, how would Omega Supreme have made more sense in a Headmaster line than Trypticon? Trypticon at least actually featured in The Headmasters, in which Omega Supreme nowhere to be found. Are you getting G1 Omega Supreme confused with the Energon incarnation?

Now, Scorponok would have been more fitting than Trypticon thematically, but I can see how figuring out how to do his head would have caused some hassle or at least delay. Especially having to contend with the "One head fits all" design stricture. Trypticon, they could just turn Full Tilt into a headmaster and call it a day and he'd be tied in.

I think that an hypothetical Titans Return Scorponok would have had an 'intermediate', like Cerebros.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

That and if you went to topic to voting pages count how many people on this site vote Optimus primal I was not one of them I wanted a new leader most fans who voted for primal mainly because his name ended in prime if there was vote who would be leader of decpeticons would be most fans would voting for name ends in tron megatron bast wars galvatron galvatronus most fan votes are very prediactable don’t think out side of box and don’t like change read how those fans comments are about movies they don’t like they don’t care if movies have brought in new fans of transformers universe which it has all they care about is have movie there own the way if it was generation one cartoon and if movies where made resemble genrationcone cartoons big boring unrealistic bots with human faces where these giant alien bots live on planet out in space never ever have contact with humans until there on earth how do you explain giant bots from space with humans faces lets have predator series with human faces next and then show star scream riding on roller coaster that power glide did in cartoon with human Woman not able break ride while sitting on it whole time or have grimlock where mustache and apron serving food to humans in Dino mode and show prime playing basketball with spike allcthat stuff will not get new people into transformers by making fans out of them all it will do push them away and have non transformers fans still be called made for little kids to this day on

william-james88 wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Huh... Well, I WAS feeling pretty confident that Wave 4 would have characters that haven't been revealed, yet.

Feeling less confident, now. The lack of Chromia and Greenlight-or-Lancer is a real kick in the d*ck. Seriously. One could have even been a Legends-class and it would have (potentially) put all six in one combiner.

Well we knew what Wave 4 had all along and we learnt at NYCC that Wave 4 would be the last wave and then be followed immediately by War for Cybertron. So it was basically confirmed that we wouldnt get any other deluxe aside from Novastar. However, all these fembots have cybertrnian alt modes so this doesnt change any chance that we will eventually get them.

Just not part of POTP.

See... None of what I saw put that in conclusive terms. Before this ALL I ever saw that said what would be available in Wave 4 was a speculative (at the time) case breakdown. As I recall, it didn't actually even show a case for Wave 4. We just, collectively, concluded that it would be only Novastar based on the what was leftover from the big leak.

Thus, my hope for potential extra figures that no one has seen yet.

Same story with Wave 4 being the final wave. To my knowledge, no one other than the fans has said that Wave 4 will be then end. It can certainly be (safely) assumed based on release dates for Wave 3 and for when the War For Cybertron line is set to begin.

Wave 4 being only Novastar and the end of the line is probably correct... And it's also possible that I missed an official statement... But I'm not a big fan of fan-made conclusions based on (likely) assumptions.

There is also a huge missed opportunity in releasing combiner versions of Ratchet and Red Alert to go with Inferno. But I am slightly less upset about that.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Optimal Optimus? What a weird choice to the line.

Not when he was the one who won the fan's choice poll for this line.

Didn't Optimus Primal win? As opposed to Optimal Optimus.

I honestly can't believe we had this conversation, semantics aside. I think they have done an excellent job with Primal, giving him so many callbacks to so many toys and TV moments. The only real letdown is that Primal mode cannot take all 4 forms and the little guy doesn't turn into a monkey. But compared to everything else, those are minor points. I am super stoked for him. He and Studio Series Grimlock are my Leader class figures to look forward to 2nd half of the year, after SG Roddy.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

Of course he was being planned, all of them were IMO. If they weren't, we would have been waiting a whole lot longer for the figures to be released. A rough schematic already has to be in place before even deciding who to put in the polls, in order to finish within the allotted time (I believe from scratch to product, any toy takes 2 years). Could anyone post a time line between votes and figure release for:

- Gen. Windblade
- CW Victorion
- TR Trypticon
- PotP Optimal Optimus

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Autobot N, the Thunderwing, Arcee, Hound, and Megatron featured on the poll are also G1 characters. What, did they not get any votes?

I was specifically referring to the second round of voting. The reason those four lost is because the more popular characters (Magnus, Star Saber, Deathsaurus, and Primal) from the three categories won. My point also applies to the Chaos category in round 1. Primal was the lone BW character, whereas the G1 chaos vote was split between Deathsaurus and Thunderwing.

Also, how would Omega Supreme have made more sense in a Headmaster line than Trypticon? Trypticon at least actually featured in The Headmasters, in which Omega Supreme nowhere to be found. Are you getting G1 Omega Supreme confused with the Energon incarnation?

I am aware that Energon Omega was a headmaster, not the G1 one. My point was that it wouldn't be unreasonable for Omega to be a Titan in a Headmaster-focused line, since a version of him has been one before (admittedly, the point about Omega being more reasonable is a weak point, and wasn't supposed to be one of the main examples of the point I was trying to make).

I'll give you the bit about Trypticon being in The Headmasters, as I don't really know much about that series.

Now, Scorponok would have been more fitting than Trypticon thematically, but I can see how figuring out how to do his head would have caused some hassle or at least delay. Especially having to contend with the "One head fits all" design stricture. Trypticon, they could just turn Full Tilt into a headmaster and call it a day and he'd be tied in.

Two ideas:
1: Scorponok's head could be built in to the main body with a small hole to put Zarak in, like with Trypticon and Necro.
2: Fasttrack could be a triple changing buggy/head/robot with Zarak as a Titan Master.

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Nice. Inferno looks good, but I kinda wish he had the retooled chest from the art.

Thanks to a heads up from several sources, we have news that Power of the Primes Inferno, Outback, and Cindersaur have been officially revealed! These reveals come to us from Hasbro's Instagram, and they coincide with the currently running Australian Toy Fair, which is where the reveals officially come from. The mock ups show us a clear look at Inferno, who we've seen blurry images of before, as well as our first proper look at Outback (a retooled Titans Return Brawn), and Cindersaur (a retooled Slash). These figures only have their official images up for now, but they are expected to be shown tomorrow at the Australian Toy Fair, so stay tuned!

Check out the images below, and let us know what you think of these new reveals in the comments section below!

As a G1er and new BW-era fan, it's all good if ya ask me! With PotP, we got Pretenders, Beasts and G1 represented -- and more femme bots, too.

Cindersaur looks alright. Not quite as retooled as I would have liked, but I'll still be picking it up. And I'm definitely grabbing Outback.

All 3 look pretty decent. I also like Inferno's head, and the fact that they justified keeping Defensor's head because Inferno's is pretty much just a smaller version of it.

Outback is cool, and Cindersaur is alright, not exactly what I would have hoped for, but still good.

Noooo! I didn't want to want Inferno, I wanted to pass him up, but his mock up there looks so good. I already have 3 versions of that mold from CW and was thinking of passing him up, but, but...damnit I want him if he looks enough like his stock photo there.

Wait, hold on dose this mean that Cindersaur is a girl now . I mean look at those lips

Hotconvoy wrote:Wait, hold on dose this mean that Cindersaur is a girl now . I mean look at those lips

Nah, he jus did duckface for the camera. ;p

Aww, I was at least hoping for some remolding on Cindersaur.

I wonder if Inferno will continue the Hasbro fix to the mold that ruined the knees.