In Package and In Hand Images of Transformers Siege Nemesis Prime

Looks pretty good. I don't collect the black Primes, but the colors are popping on this one.

Honestly kinda regretting not nabbing this when it came out.

william-james88 wrote:Even though he is an exclusive Japanese release, the name on the box is Nemesis Prime

Due to Takara sharing Hasbro's names across the entire Siege line, as was the case with Power of the Primes and all of the movie toylines.

william-james88 wrote: and the packaging looks the same as any other Siege packaging, though there is some Japanese writing.

It just says "Transformers: Siege" and "Nemesis Prime" in Katakana.

God I love how teal is an aspect of Nemesis Prime, it's always the big bling to what would otherwise just be a bland black deco.

Can't wait for mine to show up, forgot I even made an order on Ages 3 and up since it's been so long ago!

I really wish I had pre-ordered him. This mold really works for that color scheme

Seige being over, I guess we can kiss some tail-end toys goodbye like the Rumble/Ratbat cassettes...

-Kanrabat- wrote:Seige being over, I guess we can kiss some tail-end toys goodbye like the Rumble/Ratbat cassettes...

Breaks me ‘art- I never Even saw Rung on the pegs either

I'm hoping that if they did Nemesis Prime for this mold that they do right and do the same with Earthrise OP....

Nemesis Destron wrote:I'm hoping that if they did Nemesis Prime for this mold that they do right and do the same with Earthrise OP....

Fun fact, every optimus in the generations line so far got some type of black redeco, usually as an exclusive though.

Stargrave wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Seige being over, I guess we can kiss some tail-end toys goodbye like the Rumble/Ratbat cassettes...

Breaks me ‘art- I never Even saw Rung on the pegs either

I saw precisely one Rung, but no Rumble/Bat set, and those were the only ones from the last wave that I wanted. C'est la vie; I'm still hesitating on biting the bullet and paying inflated secondary-market prices for Titans Return Misfire and Twin Twist.

Glarryg

Glarryg wrote:

Stargrave wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Seige being over, I guess we can kiss some tail-end toys goodbye like the Rumble/Ratbat cassettes...

Breaks me ‘art- I never Even saw Rung on the pegs either

I saw precisely one Rung, but no Rumble/Bat set, and those were the only ones from the last wave that I wanted. C'est la vie; I'm still hesitating on biting the bullet and paying inflated secondary-market prices for Titans Return Misfire and Twin Twist.

Glarryg

I scooped up Rung the minute I saw him simply because I wasn't sure how long he'd last in the wild and so far it seems I didn't need to be so jumpy. And oof, you picked two of the finer TR Deluxe's my friend Which may be why they are still inflated. I wont discourage anyone from getting tho, if youre a Wreckers fan its pretty the definitive Twintwist. And if you like eye scorching 80's colors you cant go wrong with Misfire (Or any of the three updated Targetmasters really)

FYI, the siege Battlemasters Wave 4 can still be ordered rather easily.

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... /hse3431dd

The premium for having to buy pteraxadon is no different than the premium people have been paying for Rung alone.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:I'm hoping that if they did Nemesis Prime for this mold that they do right and do the same with Earthrise OP....

Fun fact, every optimus in the generations line so far got some type of black redeco, usually as an exclusive though.

All except for the Deluxe FOC Optimus and the two Optimus molds in the Cyber Series.

william-james88 wrote:FYI, the siege Battlemasters Wave 4 can still be ordered rather easily.

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... /hse3431dd

The premium for having to buy pteraxadon is no different than the premium people have been paying for Rung alone.

For Americans only.
Because even if they can ship to Canada, the exchange rate is atrocious right now and the overall cost will be around a freaking leader class figure if you factor in shipping (and maybe custom fees because why not).

Stargrave wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Seige being over, I guess we can kiss some tail-end toys goodbye like the Rumble/Ratbat cassettes...

Breaks me ‘art- I never Even saw Rung on the pegs either

IIRC Rung is set for reissue in Wave 2 of ER.

Saw a couple of Rungs in store once, passed on them because I don't care about Rung.


I dunno if anyone's shared this before, but I believe I've found why Apeface's shield has such a long peg: So that it fits into the 5mm ports in his elbows. This puts it at the same elevation the G1 toy's would be when used as an arm shield, and brings it a lot closer to the arm.

As far as removing it without straining the peg.. Gentle wiggling is probably a good idea. I think there's also something to be said for popping it out from beneath by jacking up the wings.

Hey all, regarding the new Black Prime, am I the only one not really feeling it? I mean, it's a nice and fun deco on one of the best Optimus Prime molds we have ever gotten and yet it just feel so vanilla. Which is what I usually feel for the Nemesis redecos of MP Primes as well. Scourge was introduced, at least to me seeing him on the shelves, as his own thing. Sure, it was a redeco of Prime, but not of the Prime on the shelves. He felt like his own guy. Hence why I tend to like the redecos that bring back that feeling. The TR toy obviously did since it was the best homage to the original Scourge we ever got, and I feel we got that with the POTP Leader toy thanks to all the effort made by Hasbro to make him stand out from the sea of black Primes. And while there was only retooling on the face, I felt the redeco to the Beast Hunters voyager also felt like a nice Nemesis. I think he really owned that mold even more than the original release did.





How about you guys, which black redeco of Prime (doesn't have to be Nemesis Prime per se) do you like best so far?

I kinda feel like this new Nemesis Prime, being so bare bones, is like what Nemesis would be if he had originally been introduced in the 1980s, just a basic copy of Optimus's look but in black with no bells and whistles or uniqueness of mold.

As in, like, this is Nemesis Prime in his early days before he makes a name for himself or gets any upgrades, his sword merely being the first step on his journey to being more than just "evil Optimus in black and teal". In this form, he is still so ordinary because he is just beginning his life of villainy.

If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

That one was a United toy, not Legends, and was technically not a Nemesis Prime toy since it was sold as "Black Optimus Prime", being the Autobot leader going undercover as a Con.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

Oh yeah, the Mammoth version, now that's a Nemesis that's fully formed (going by Sabr's fun Nemesis timeline of murder). He has blood on his tusks!

All these toylines start to blend together after so long.

Well, at least I got the picture right. That's the one I like with the accessory I like. There'll have to be another that does the job really nicely to displace him. Although I'm tempted to buy his US counterpart since I accidentally bought the 3rd party trailer that goes with him.

william-james88 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

Oh yeah, the Mammoth version, now that's a Nemesis that's fully formed (going by Sabr's fun Nemesis timeline of murder). He has blood on his tusks!

That one remains a favourite since he's so different. While I love the black and teal colours we have going on most of these the Mammoth version is just very different with the primary colour being beige. With the blood coasted tusks to his Dead Matrix that guy brings a lot to the table. And he remains a very articulated figure even after all this time.

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

That one was a United toy, not Legends, and was technically not a Nemesis Prime toy since it was sold as "Black Optimus Prime", being the Autobot leader going undercover as a Con.

Pedantics are not needed:

william-james88 wrote:How about you guys, which black redeco of Prime (doesn't have to be Nemesis Prime per se) do you like best so far?

I own only two, the original CR Black Convoy (gotta have the ) and RiD 2001 Spychanger Scourge, but would like to own more. Not just any, the ones that "stick out" if you catch my drift, something the Siege one doesn't do. Like these:


Transformers Universe Nemesis Prime Gallery


Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Nemesis Prime (Black Convoy) Gallery

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: Not just any, the ones that "stick out" if you catch my drift, something the Siege one doesn't do.

Yeah I catch your drift, I actually think it's something we're all agreeing on at the moment.

I would love to have that Siege Nemesis Prime, and I'll probably pay a ridiculous price for him on eBay. But for now, I will have to settle for my KO black SS-38 Optimus Prime as a stand-in.

I do give the Siege Nemesis credit in that it's the first and so far only version of that mold to finally have a clean deco without any battle damage or cel shading paint.

For me, it's a tie between these two:


The latter is of course one of the most desired of all. Being a show character does that.

@william-james88 re: most Generations Optimus Primes getting black repaints, it's interesting to see how history repeats. Specifically, with Powermaster Optimus Prime getting a black repaint that's just himself rather than an evil knockoff.


I am enjoying Apeface. I posted some of my thoughts earlier.

I did once had some "Nemesis Primes" redeco. I sold all of them because they were too similar to the regular Optimuses that I already had and found them redundant.

Oddly enough, SDCC Nemesis Prime is my favorite Nemesis Prime, but not my favorite black repaint. I enjoy the Big Convoy repaint, but I don't consider it Nemesis Prime, and I also enjoy the Go! repaint, but I consider that a CHUG Nova because of the wing pack (or I would if I had one ). SDCC Nemesis Prime just seems to make good use of the Classics Prime mold and I think the black slims the kibble down a bit. Not too much granted because of the mess on the arms, but it still looks pretty nice

For me since I can just ignore the alt mode's not exactly linking up as well as the battle damage decos being inconsistent with my cleaner figures I really like having my Siege Prime and Magnus go up against POTP Nemesis Prime who is pretty much my Siege Nemesis at least until my actual Siege NP comes.

The height differences between Siege Optimus Prime and Nemesis Prime give for an imposing image, like this isn't just a guy who copies Optimus look but he does it in way where he's bigger and badder then him, for me he's going to be Nemesis Prime on steroids.

Sabrblade wrote:As in, like, this is Nemesis Prime in his early days before he makes a name for himself or gets any upgrades, his sword merely being the first step on his journey to being more than just "evil Optimus in black and teal". In this form, he is still so ordinary because he is just beginning his life of villainy.

Reading this is funny for me comparing it to my head canon universe version of Nemesis.

Nemesis Prime, before the war he had a long career upon the Prime Council although back then he was Nominus Prime who was a pioneer for many advancements made to Cybertronian society, his achievements gave way for being labeled with the designation "The Grand Scourge" which was a title only given to the highest among the Scourge Barons which was already a title hard to come by and only given to those of royalty with remarkable accomplishments, his achievements were so great that when Optimus was knighted among the Primes his upgrades were designed based upon the base frame of Nominus.

Despite all the good he did Nominus was only in it for his own pride which pushed him to overcome "impossible tasks" and once he built up Cybertron to the highest high's he thought possible...he made it his next goal to bring it all down, after a mutiny which brought upon his renaming he alone covertly set up the start of a chain of events that would partially lead to Cybertron's downfall although his plan was complete annihilation of his species his plans were thwarted when the Decepticon movement gained traction, Nemesis did not join the Decepticons initially but instead operated as a rogue berserker who slew anyone he came upon becoming infamous as a powerful warrior who could not be taken down, after a fated encounter with Optimus which left him near death he formulated an obsession to the bright beacon of the Autobots, his new goal was to break Optimus by becoming everything he was but twisting it to his own vision before tearing down everything that Optimus valued, he sought out Megatron forcefully by literally slaughtering his way into Decepticon Command and threatening the leader for a place among his ranks, so Nemesis Prime was allowed to join the Decepticons but was placed in the low ranks, this was something Nemesis relished as he was allowed to work his way up the ranks once again in the new Cybertronian society.


TLDR: Nemesis was once named Nominus and was the basis for Optimus Prime's design and not the other way around, he goes crazy and wants to become the antithesis of Optimus Prime and his ideals.

I quite like the way IDW did it with Nova Prime becoming that universes Nemesis Prime when he fell into the Dead Universe... Till they dropped the moniker faster then a piece of rubbish. In fact Nova lost a lot of standing as a villain after that, playing second fiddle to more important characters like Galvaltron. I'd personally though, stick Nemesis Prime in with the forces of Unicron, like Universe Nemesis Prime. The thought of Unicron having a dark mirror image of one of Primus's iconic defenders,os quite appealing.

ZeroWolf wrote:I quite like the way IDW did it with Nova Prime becoming that universes Nemesis Prime when he fell into the Dead Universe... Till they dropped the moniker faster then a piece of rubbish. In fact Nova lost a lot of standing as a villain after that, playing second fiddle to more important characters like Galvaltron. I'd personally though, stick Nemesis Prime in with the forces of Unicron, like Universe Nemesis Prime. The thought of Unicron having a dark mirror image of one of Primus's iconic defenders,os quite appealing.

Yeah I liked Nova Prime as a concept rather then the execution (I liked his cameo/lore in that semi-recent game) where he's portrayed as more heroic before becoming corrupted by Unicron, not to mention his design is wicked, tis a shame the best I can do for him in my collection is being the Combiner Wars Battle Core Optimus which is a great figure on his own as a base for my more heroic Nova Prime just don't have the epic wings or black colors.

Nemesis Prime with my sort of backstory could still work as a Unicron aligned character reminds me of all the Unicron lore I've made up as well, I just prefer Nemesis Prime being a character with at least some origin and personality before ending up in a position like that, don't care much for the drone like Nemesis Primes with nothing to them, what I have in mind is just a pure intelligent psychopath sort of barbarian-like.

See the character in your head cannon reminds me more of Scourge, which is why I'm open to the title of Nemesis Prime being open to a non-Optimus mold (again similar to Universe Nemmy being a redeco Big Convoy... Okay I know in fiction he was supposed to be an Optimus but you know what I mean)

Good to see that you're building your own cannon up to suit your collection. It's a great writing exercise, hope you're writing it all down. It could inspire a great many fanfiction, that could open further doors. I know a lad that started out that way and then moved on to publishing his own work.

No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

Time for some more detailed thoughts on Apeface.

Robot Mode:
He looks burly and muscular without being quite the squat block that the G1 toy was, and I like how the limbs are have been consolidated compared to the original. The colors work well together, and the articulation is good. The long peg on the Electro Shield allows it to be mounted in the 5mm ports on his elbows, giving it a G1 positioning. The Sonic Boom Rifle isn't a perfect replica of the G1 accessory, but it's obviously modeled off it.

Gorilla Mode:
Getting him into this mode is a bit fiddly, but the result looks quite good and has lovely articulation. The limb consolidation pays off here, too. The head can position better than on the original Apeface, so that's a plus. Speaking of the head, the way they adapted the Horrorcons' triple-changing head gimmick here is brilliant, very well done. I also like that unlike the G1 Apeface toy, there's a dedicated place to mount the gun.

Jet/Starfighter Mode:
Not as sleek forward of the wings as the original toy, sadly, but the back is tidier and as a whole it still looks good. It's a bit fiddly to get him into it, as with gorilla mode, but the result is nice. There is again a dedicated mounting hole for the gun, although it is rather loose out-of-the-box; had to use the old superglue trick. It was almost as bad as Legends Super Ginrai's fists. Perhaps the biggest difficulty is with how the shield covers the rear cockpit (where Spasma is intended to sit). Extracting the long peg from the hole without stressing it has given people trouble, from what I hear. I covered this before, but I've had good luck with grabbing the shield by the fins and gently wiggling it upwards... as well as with lifting the shield from below by jacking the wings up. Regarding the cockpit, it's tight. Mine had some mold flash I had to shave off before Spasma would fit properly.

Sarahthecutevixen wrote:No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

The original listings all said April 1st for the release date and delivery by April 3rd if you ordered enough for the free 2 day shipping. So I wouldn't start to worry before then.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Jet/Starfighter Mode:
Not as sleek forward of the wings as the original toy, sadly, but the back is tidier and as a whole it still looks good. It's a bit fiddly to get him into it, as with gorilla mode, but the result is nice. There is again a dedicated mounting hole for the gun. Perhaps the biggest difficulty is with how the shield covers the rear cockpit (where Spasma is intended to sit). Extracting the long peg from the hole without stressing it has given people trouble, from what I hear. I covered this before, but I've had good luck with grabbing the shield by the fins and gently wiggling it upwards... as well as with lifting the shield from below by jacking the wings up.

I tend to use a spudger to lift the shield out. Works really well. How's the gun's fit when you peg it into the jet nosecone? Mine's such a loose connection that it just falls out immediately

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Time for some more detailed thoughts on Apeface.

Me too, but I'll be more TlDr;

Bot: Perfection

Ape: Awesome

Jet: Garbage

Transformation: Fiddly

Overall rating: Not great, but good enough.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Jet/Starfighter Mode:
Not as sleek forward of the wings as the original toy, sadly, but the back is tidier and as a whole it still looks good. It's a bit fiddly to get him into it, as with gorilla mode, but the result is nice. There is again a dedicated mounting hole for the gun. Perhaps the biggest difficulty is with how the shield covers the rear cockpit (where Spasma is intended to sit). Extracting the long peg from the hole without stressing it has given people trouble, from what I hear. I covered this before, but I've had good luck with grabbing the shield by the fins and gently wiggling it upwards... as well as with lifting the shield from below by jacking the wings up.

I tend to use a spudger to lift the shield out. Works really well. How's the gun's fit when you peg it into the jet nosecone? Mine's such a loose connection that it just falls out immediately

Oops, forgot to cover that. To the editmobile!

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Sarahthecutevixen wrote:No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

The original listings all said April 1st for the release date and delivery by April 3rd if you ordered enough for the free 2 day shipping. So I wouldn't start to worry before then.

I am aware. I am just posting updates

ZeroWolf wrote:See the character in your head cannon reminds me more of Scourge, which is why I'm open to the title of Nemesis Prime being open to a non-Optimus mold (again similar to Universe Nemmy being a redeco Big Convoy... Okay I know in fiction he was supposed to be an Optimus but you know what I mean)

Good to see that you're building your own cannon up to suit your collection. It's a great writing exercise, hope you're writing it all down. It could inspire a great many fanfiction, that could open further doors. I know a lad that started out that way and then moved on to publishing his own work.

Oh for sure the Nemesis title can work for a character that doesn't look like a carbon copy Optimus Prime, I just try to mix up the known names that evil, black Optimus characters tend to have since I try to treat most different takes of characters to be one character such as Energon Ironhide being G1 Ironhide when he was younger, Universe Nemesis was pretty rad and he rocks the mammoth look, actually looks like it would fit my backstory for him.

Yeah I just make up my own universe mostly because I know my collection will never perfectly replicate any existing universe and such since toys tend to come off as different looking then on screen/page portrayals, so if I don't care about stuff like that then my enjoyment of the figures is unaffected by nitpicks like that.

I think the pick up day scheduled with FedEx for walmart is the 29th. So it doesnt ship the 29th for me but its shipped to them the 29th then they ship magnus to me

I was originally feeling Seige Nemesis Prime but now with earthrise its kinda passed since I want to see what they'll do with this mold.

Netflix Ultra Magnus deco revealed.

And the big spoiler is: He's just very VERY muddy, even more than his retail toy was.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Sarahthecutevixen wrote:No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

The original listings all said April 1st for the release date and delivery by April 3rd if you ordered enough for the free 2 day shipping. So I wouldn't start to worry before then.

You two must be closer to the warehouses than I am. Mine still say April 6 and I ordered them early on.



Emerje

There was a leader class box for the Netflix Transformers series toyline that we did not see the contents yet. It was said to contain spoilers. Well, thanks to images from Robot Kingdom, we now can see what's inside. We knew it would be Ultra Magnus, butwe didn't know the deco. Would he have a cape like in the trailer? Would he be a Decepticon? Would be have Delta Magnus colours?

Well...




None of the above. It's just Magnus looking burnt in certain areas. The real spoiler, if there was one, is Rung who is in clear fuchsia coloured plastic. Well at least now you all know what you are getting here. let us know if you will be getting it or not when it comes to Walmart soon.

Man, I want that Rung so bad but I don't need two Ultra Mags especially since they did so little to differentiate him. Decepticon Mirage is at least a whole different color.

Compared to the stellar deco on Megs and that Seeker, this Magnus look just dirty.

looks like i can pass on this one