In Hand Pictures of Transformers Titans Return: Powermaster Prime with G1, Fort Max with Open Legs and More

Can't wait to get Optimus, love combiner wars Magnus but OP is just even more epic!

Anyone else feel that the giant stripes and Autobot symbols wrapped around the back side of Prime's legs look really tacky?

I'm really digging Hardhead. He reminds me of a Scorpion tank from Halo for some reason.

Delta Magnus wrote:I'm really digging Hardhead. He reminds me of a Scorpion tank from Halo for some reason.

I can see it. Hardhead is more artillery than MBT, but I can see it.

I'm really starting to warm up to PMOP. At first I'm like "eh, cool", but the intrigue is definitely building. I enjoyed Ultra Magnus despite his useless hands, so I'm certain I'll pick PMOP up.

Mindmaster wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:I'm really digging Hardhead. He reminds me of a Scorpion tank from Halo for some reason.

I can see it. Hardhead is more artillery than MBT, but I can see it.

I'm really starting to warm up to PMOP. At first I'm like "eh, cool", but the intrigue is definitely building. I enjoyed Ultra Magnus despite his useless hands, so I'm certain I'll pick PMOP up.

I am glad they fixed that part by adding incisions where you can plug in the weapons so they dont fall. Thats learning from one's mistakes and it deserves some credit

Also, I just realized how PMOP as a headmaster makes perfect sense. His G1 toy just had a headpiece go over his smaller head so I dont see this helmet being all that different from that. And now the powermaster becomes the headmaster so thats a fun and smart homage while making the transformation more streamlines and with less kibble.

william-james88 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:I'm really starting to warm up to PMOP. At first I'm like "eh, cool", but the intrigue is definitely building. I enjoyed Ultra Magnus despite his useless hands, so I'm certain I'll pick PMOP up.

I am glad they fixed that part by adding incisions where you can plug in the weapons so they dont fall. Thats learning from one's mistakes and it deserves some credit

Also, I just realized how PMOP as a headmaster makes perfect sense. His G1 toy just had a headpiece go over his smaller head so I dont see this helmet being all that different from that. And now the powermaster becomes the headmaster so thats a fun and smart homage while making the transformation more streamlines and with less kibble.

Reaaaaaaaaaaaally can't wait for this stuff to start hitting stores! Powermaster Optimus Prime was my first Optimus as a kid, so he was an instabuy for me. I do like the fact that he is so similar to his original, and I feel like mine is less chromey than the one they have shown in the pictures. I know his legs aren't chrome, and I feel like I don't have the chrome Hi-Q either (just checked my picture thread and yeah, not chrome). So I'm guessing that is the SGMF God Ginrai or the TRU Commemorative re-release.

TL:DR, can't wait for this line to roll-out!!

For me personally I like him as a headmaster more anyway. With the Powermaster, unless you cover it up with the Apex Armour that is like the worst weak spot ever. Punches and lasers tend to hit you in the chest more often than not so just putting your power source who is a living being in plain shot there is... just kind of stupid. Optimus at that point might as well open up his chest and say "HERE, LOOK, IT'S MY SPARK! SHOOT AWAY GUYS!". At least with a Headmaster you generally don't want your head being shot anyway, and this PM OP has the helmet.

Hmm...even though I already have Magnus, and I'll be getting the other Prime if that leak is true, I might still end up getting PM Prime after all. Might be a nice companion piece for CW Magnus.

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone else feel that the giant stripes and Autobot symbols wrapped around the back side of Prime's legs look really tacky?

Nope! Quite the opposite, actually.

Kurona wrote:For me personally I like him as a headmaster more anyway. With the Powermaster, unless you cover it up with the Apex Armour that is like the worst weak spot ever. Punches and lasers tend to hit you in the chest more often than not so just putting your power source who is a living being in plain shot there is... just kind of stupid. Optimus at that point might as well open up his chest and say "HERE, LOOK, IT'S MY SPARK! SHOOT AWAY GUYS!". At least with a Headmaster you generally don't want your head being shot anyway, and this PM OP has the helmet.

EXACTLY! Good thoughts

Sigma Magnus wrote:Hmm...even though I already have Magnus, and I'll be getting the other Prime if that leak is true, I might still end up getting PM Prime after all. Might be a nice companion piece for CW Magnus.

In the same boat. I'll end up with both. It'll be fun to have both CW UM and TR PMOP to see the changes made to the mold in-hand.

...and now that I think about it, PM Prime is one of the few figures I've seen in the last year or so that actually looks cool from behind.

JazZeke wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Anyone else feel that the giant stripes and Autobot symbols wrapped around the back side of Prime's legs look really tacky?

Nope! Quite the opposite, actually.

Same here. I like them, and they break up the gray plastic better than not having them I think. I think my only complaint is the black rifles as I didn't like them on Magnus, although now I can give PMOP matching ones!

In response to the whole thing about PM OP vs other OPs... for me at least, I see PM OP as the reborn super-powered evolution of Optimus from later years. I'd have him leading a different groups of guys; like 87-89 'bots while the classics/CW/TR Voyager Optimus or whatever leads the earlier years.
I see him as much an evolution of Optimus as Galvatron is of Megatron, and would have both him and a 'normal' Optimus for the same reasons I'd have both Megatron and Galvatron. Plus, while this is likely unintentional, I really like the parallels between Prime and Megsy's evolutions - Galvatron takes on a completely new identity born from a Dark God and in most cases loses his marbles, while Optimus keeps his identity and sanity. It's a cool thematic thing imo, even if Rodimus or Magnus are meant to be Galvy's opposite number.

As for the toy itself... I've adored it ever since I saw it and Powermaster Prime is just such a cool design in general. Maybe it's because I grew up with Cybertron but I always loved Optimus having a larger super mode and this is just perfect even if it's a retool (I'd have him displayed quite a bit aways from Magnus anyway). Heck, seeing this comparison completely sealed it - he looks so much like a modernization of the original toy and I have to get him at one point.
Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

Kurona wrote:As for the toy itself... I've adored it ever since I saw it and Powermaster Prime is just such a cool design in general. Maybe it's because I grew up with Cybertron but I always loved Optimus having a larger super mode and this is just perfect even if it's a retool (I'd have him displayed quite a bit aways from Magnus anyway). Heck, seeing this comparison completely sealed it - he looks so much like a modernization of the original toy and I have to get him at one point.
Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

Good points, Kurona. As a kid that grew up in a cab over, I'm terribly amused by it. My only real point of irritation is that the black guns don't match. If the main cannon had just been reflected, I would have been much happier.

Right now, my only disappointment with the line is that Brainstorm in robot mode looks too much like Blurr. Sure, I'm going to get it, but he won't be displayed on the shelf as Blurr because I'll be displaying the voyager with all the masters. Right now, I'm trying to pick up focus on unique versions of characters. The voyager just fit BS to a T and this Blurr mold has to be my Blurr to separate him from Drift. CW is a different story since I'm factoring in the look of the combined mode.

Kurona wrote:Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

What sucks is that the grill is not even a carry over from the magnus mold. That area was completely remolded so they could have made it any length they wanted.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

What sucks is that the grill is not even a carry over from the magnus mold. That area was completely remolded so they could have made it any length they wanted.

That's pretty much my only complaint about this mold apart from the feet. The grill is oversized and looks kinda dumb

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

What sucks is that the grill is not even a carry over from the magnus mold. That area was completely remolded so they could have made it any length they wanted.

That's pretty much my only complaint about this mold apart from the feet. The grill is oversized and looks kinda dumb

Mine would be if it's using the same sh|t, buttery-soft plastic as magnus, I want this figure, but not if it's gonna be a piece of qc sh|t like the magnus' I bought

Do we have an approximative release date for Titan Return products to hits the shelves of retail stores? Seeing all those pictures is starting to convince me to pick up maybe more then just the autobots Headmasters for my classic collection. Fort Max and Powermaster Optimus are looking especially good and although they were not on my initial pick up list, I just might go for them both.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

What sucks is that the grill is not even a carry over from the magnus mold. That area was completely remolded so they could have made it any length they wanted.

That's pretty much my only complaint about this mold apart from the feet. The grill is oversized and looks kinda dumb

Mine would be if it's using the same sh|t, buttery-soft plastic as magnus, I want this figure, but not if it's gonna be a piece of qc sh|t like the magnus' I bought

...? What was wrong with it? Mine's fine.

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

What sucks is that the grill is not even a carry over from the magnus mold. That area was completely remolded so they could have made it any length they wanted.

That's pretty much my only complaint about this mold apart from the feet. The grill is oversized and looks kinda dumb

Mine would be if it's using the same sh|t, buttery-soft plastic as magnus, I want this figure, but not if it's gonna be a piece of qc sh|t like the magnus' I bought

...? What was wrong with it? Mine's fine.

The plastic was too soft to handle the internal mechanism in the legs, and they snapped, leaving his legs jammed in-between bot and vehicle mode. This happened on both legs on both magnus' I bought; several others have had this problem, and now others are hearing the the horrid snapping click in there that precedes breakage. I'm not saying pmop is gonna be crap based on this, but I can see it happening if the plastic quality doesn't change

Ultra Mad wrote:Do we have an approximative release date for Titan Return products to hits the shelves of retail stores? Seeing all those pictures is starting to convince me to pick up maybe more then just the autobots Headmasters for my classic collection. Fort Max and Powermaster Optimus are looking especially good and although they were not on my initial pick up list, I just might go for them both.

According to the placards at BotCon, the first wave should hit in the fall, but they may as come as early as July (which I'm hoping will happen).

Mindmaster wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:Do we have an approximative release date for Titan Return products to hits the shelves of retail stores? Seeing all those pictures is starting to convince me to pick up maybe more then just the autobots Headmasters for my classic collection. Fort Max and Powermaster Optimus are looking especially good and although they were not on my initial pick up list, I just might go for them both.

According to the placards at BotCon, the first wave should hit in the fall, but they may as come as early as July (which I'm hoping will happen).

They should be out about july/august online (unless a wave 4 august release happens again, like at target last year)

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Only thing I don't particularly care for so far is that he keeps Magnus' ridiculously oversized cab grill. That... that really needed to be shortened. At least it isn't in view in Robot Mode.

What sucks is that the grill is not even a carry over from the magnus mold. That area was completely remolded so they could have made it any length they wanted.

That's pretty much my only complaint about this mold apart from the feet. The grill is oversized and looks kinda dumb

Mine would be if it's using the same sh|t, buttery-soft plastic as magnus, I want this figure, but not if it's gonna be a piece of qc sh|t like the magnus' I bought

...? What was wrong with it? Mine's fine.

The plastic was too soft to handle the internal mechanism in the legs, and they snapped, leaving his legs jammed in-between bot and vehicle mode. This happened on both legs on both magnus' I bought; several others have had this problem, and now others are hearing the the horrid snapping click in there that precedes breakage. I'm not saying pmop is gonna be crap based on this, but I can see it happening if the plastic quality doesn't change

Mine's got a stress mark on one leg, but apart from that, I've had no issues with my Magnus. Well, the hands, but that's not his fault.

I never had any trouble with my CW Magnus (that being said, I really transform him and when doing so, I'm very careful) but with all that talk of wide breakage, I might just buy a second one next time the Leader class figures are on sale at Toys R us. There are plenty of him on the shelves right now.

I really like the look of this prime, though if I do get him I'll be giving him a name change, as that mould just screams Super Ginrai to me. It'll be interesting to see if takara do a translucent orange version for Fire Gutz glory

Now bring on the god bomber!

I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

Ultra Mad wrote:I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

That would be more TakaraTomy's department, not Hasbro. Though I could see Hasbro redeocing him as "Spark Attack" after the Heroes of Cybertron PVC figurine.

Speaking of TakaraTomy, they are releasing Loudmouth aka Siren as Goshooter, in a set with Wheelie. No further Headmaster Jr. have been announced, in fact Nightbeat will be released in Japan as... Nightbeat.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

That would be more TakaraTomy's department, not Hasbro. Though I could see Hasbro redeocing him as "Spark Attack" after the Heroes of Cybertron PVC figurine.

Speaking of TakaraTomy, they are releasing Loudmouth aka Siren as Goshooter, in a set with Wheelie. No further Headmaster Jr. have been announced, in fact Nightbeat will be released in Japan as... Nightbeat.

Well, I ama Super-God Masterforce fan, so I would love having a Godbomber and a super sweet Fire Guts God Ginrai repaint. Actuallly, Sentinal Prime is already Fire Guts!

I'm sad that neither Takara nor Hasbro seems to be planning to make figures of the Headmaster Jrs. with bodies. Though the fact that Takara is doing Nightbeat instead of Minerva kinda gives me hope that Takara might make a proper Minerva.

Anybody else think Titans Return Blurr looks decent in vehicle mode, but looks terrible in robot mode?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

That would be more TakaraTomy's department, not Hasbro. Though I could see Hasbro redeocing him as "Spark Attack" after the Heroes of Cybertron PVC figurine.

I know we keep saying that but I dont know if its a given anymore. Think about it, Hasbro gave us Crosscut who was a takara only toy before then and its Hasbro who is giving us CW Liokaiser, not Takara. So a japan only toy can be homaged by Hasbro just the same.

I'll be happy with a Minerva figure, regardless if it comes from Hasbro or Takara. As for Blurr, I don't know why his new figure is a headmaster. Was he ever a headmaster in the Japanese show that aired after the fourth season of the original show (the version we got in America)?

Ultra Mad wrote:I'll be happy with a Minerva figure, regardless if it comes from Hasbro or Takara. As for Blurr, I don't know why his new figure is a headmaster. Was he ever a headmaster in the Japanese show that aired after the fourth season of the original show (the version we got in America)?

No he wasn't, nor we're about 75% of the figures coming out in this line. It's just the gimmick they decided to go with much like how characters like iron hide, Wheeljack and hound were made into combiners when they traditionally aren't.

I wanted a PMOP remake for years, but don't like this one at all. Remold of a poorly made figure, strike one. Permanently Apex Armored up? I have no nostalgia for Apex Armor, that wasn't part of the toy when I was a kid. Strike two. Headmaster instead of powermaster? Strike three, yer out!

Optimum Supreme wrote:I wanted a PMOP remake for years, but don't like this one at all. Remold of a poorly made figure, strike one. Permanently Apex Armored up? I have no nostalgia for Apex Armor, that wasn't part of the toy when I was a kid. Strike two. Headmaster instead of powermaster? Strike three, yer out!

But he's not permanently apexed, nor is this a poorly made mold. It has some flaws but it's by no means a bad mold.

steals_your_goats wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:I'll be happy with a Minerva figure, regardless if it comes from Hasbro or Takara. As for Blurr, I don't know why his new figure is a headmaster. Was he ever a headmaster in the Japanese show that aired after the fourth season of the original show (the version we got in America)?

No he wasn't, nor we're about 75% of the figures coming out in this line. It's just the gimmick they decided to go with much like how characters like iron hide, Wheeljack and hound were made into combiners when they traditionally aren't.

They basically took every "-master" with a smaller partner and made them into Headmasters, plain and simple. As you may remember, Blurr, Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus and Scourge became Targetmasters in Season 4, so they're fair game.

Yep, I remembered that those characters became target master. Regadless, I will only pick up those that were actually headmasters. I'm quite satisfied with the other versions of those characters that I own and I don't see any reasons to pick up a headmaster Blurr or Rodimus. That being said, Blurr's altmode look quite good and I'm happy there are new molds for those characters. Can't wait to see Hardhead and the others arriving at local retail stores

steals_your_goats wrote:

Optimum Supreme wrote:I wanted a PMOP remake for years, but don't like this one at all. Remold of a poorly made figure, strike one. Permanently Apex Armored up? I have no nostalgia for Apex Armor, that wasn't part of the toy when I was a kid. Strike two. Headmaster instead of powermaster? Strike three, yer out!

But he's not permanently apexed, nor is this a poorly made mold. It has some flaws but it's by no means a bad mold.

Yeah I didnt get the poorly made comment either. That Magnus achieves what the MP achieved at 1/3 of the cost. It of course had to make due with the hallowness but I find it quite an achievement nonetheless.

Also, the helmet is a nice upgrade from the kibble head we had to deal with in G1 (as with all combiners)

DigitalBrave3 wrote:Anybody else think Titans Return Blurr looks decent in vehicle mode, but looks terrible in robot mode?

Yup, hence why I went for the takara version.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: As you may remember, Blurr, Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus and Scourge became Targetmasters in Season 4, so they're fair game.

I didnt know that. So that being the case, why is everyone crying foul on hasbro choosing to make them headmasters here again?

Optimum Supreme wrote:I wanted a PMOP remake for years, but don't like this one at all. Remold of a poorly made figure, strike one. (

Poorly Made Figure? Ultra Magnus is fantastic. He has a couple issues no doubt, but he is by no means poorly made. Sturdy, good transformation, and awesome robot mode.

Optimum Supreme wrote:Permanently Apex Armored up? I have no nostalgia for Apex Armor, that wasn't part of the toy when I was a kid. (

What apex Armor? Just a slightly more detailed chest to match the powermaster chest detail a bit better.

Optimum Supreme wrote:Headmaster instead of powermaster? Strike three, yer out!

2 things, expecting a powermaster gimmick in a line devoted exclusively to headmasters is just silly.

What's so attractive about a tiny guy that turns into an engine anyway? How does that add to the playability or actual goodness of the figure in any way?

Beyond that, the mold is quite good in many regards. And the extensive retooling is better. It has very little of Magnus left.

If there's anything that's missing or that I would like to have, is the Truck Cab transform into a smaller Prime.

Hoping for a 3rd party add-on kit.

Beyond that, I think it's a great update.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

That would be more TakaraTomy's department, not Hasbro. Though I could see Hasbro redeocing him as "Spark Attack" after the Heroes of Cybertron PVC figurine.

Speaking of TakaraTomy, they are releasing Loudmouth aka Siren as Goshooter, in a set with Wheelie. No further Headmaster Jr. have been announced, in fact Nightbeat will be released in Japan as... Nightbeat.

I think there's a couple reasons for that. First of all, IDW is iirc pretty popular in Japan - and Nightbeat's risen to prominence as a character despite his fellow 1988 Autobot Headmasters - Siren and Loudmouth - mostly being relegated to the background.
A second reason could be that they might want to do an actual Minerva head as the Nightbeat one looks nothing like her. Compare http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/9/9 ... htbeat.jpg to http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/a/a ... ekotom.jpg . Even if Titan Master Nightbeat did have closer adherence to the G1 figure Minerva is repainted from, Minerva's face was still significantly altered in the anime as you can see there - a more feminine face and more elongated horns.

William James wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: As you may remember, Blurr, Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus and Scourge became Targetmasters in Season 4, so they're fair game.

I didnt know that. So that being the case, why is everyone crying foul on hasbro choosing to make them headmasters here again?

And yet, we have Galvatron. I guess he's a... City Commandermaster now.
Commandermaster. I like that.
But yeah while they seem to be making all the 1987 Targetmasters into Headmasters as well, it's not a hard and fast rule as to the entire line. I mean... already, Astrotrain and Sentinel Prime weren't -masters. Or Alpha Trion. Or - going into leaks - Megatron, non-Powermaster Optimus, Doublecross...

For me, the only problem I have with Blurr, Triggerhappy etc. being headmasters - and I've said this a lot and I'm worrying about being a bit of a dick with saying it so much - is that they don't have their targetmaster partners as guns anymore. I'm fine with headmasters being added on as it's easily ignorable and just adds something to the toy; hence why I'm easily cool with Galvatron and Astrotrain. But Hot Rod for instance actively has his gun-former partner taken away from him. It's not just a new addition, it's taking away from something the original toy had - and it's not just a fun little feature that wasn't the focus of the toy like say, CW Onslaught no longer having a base mode; it was the entire gimmick and selling point of the toy.
Thankfully third parties can easily fix it up, but I would have preferred to see Hasbro tackle the targetmasters themselves because the originals admittedly looked a little bland. Pretty much all of them were black and grey and a lot of them had very similar gun designs, so I'd prefer to see a modernized take with more vibrant colours maybe matching that of their larger partners. A hot rod-themed Firebolt, now there's something I'm totally up for...

Kurona wrote:Thankfully third parties can easily fix it up, but I would have preferred to see Hasbro tackle the targetmasters themselves because the originals admittedly looked a little bland. Pretty much all of them were black and grey and a lot of them had very similar gun designs, so I'd prefer to see a modernized take with more vibrant colours maybe matching that of their larger partners. A hot rod-themed Firebolt, now there's something I'm totally up for...

'Course, then people would be complaining about them not being accurate to the originals...

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Kurona wrote:Thankfully third parties can easily fix it up, but I would have preferred to see Hasbro tackle the targetmasters themselves because the originals admittedly looked a little bland. Pretty much all of them were black and grey and a lot of them had very similar gun designs, so I'd prefer to see a modernized take with more vibrant colours maybe matching that of their larger partners. A hot rod-themed Firebolt, now there's something I'm totally up for...

'Course, then people would be complaining about them not being accurate to the originals...

Just another reason I'd want them.

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

That would be more TakaraTomy's department, not Hasbro. Though I could see Hasbro redeocing him as "Spark Attack" after the Heroes of Cybertron PVC figurine.

Speaking of TakaraTomy, they are releasing Loudmouth aka Siren as Goshooter, in a set with Wheelie. No further Headmaster Jr. have been announced, in fact Nightbeat will be released in Japan as... Nightbeat.

I think there's a couple reasons for that. First of all, IDW is iirc pretty popular in Japan - and Nightbeat's risen to prominence as a character despite his fellow 1988 Autobot Headmasters - Siren and Loudmouth - mostly being relegated to the background.
A second reason could be that they might want to do an actual Minerva head as the Nightbeat one looks nothing like her. Compare http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/9/9 ... htbeat.jpg to http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/a/a ... ekotom.jpg . Even if Titan Master Nightbeat did have closer adherence to the G1 figure Minerva is repainted from, Minerva's face was still significantly altered in the anime as you can see there - a more feminine face and more elongated horns.

William James wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: As you may remember, Blurr, Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus and Scourge became Targetmasters in Season 4, so they're fair game.

I didnt know that. So that being the case, why is everyone crying foul on hasbro choosing to make them headmasters here again?

And yet, we have Galvatron. I guess he's a... City Commandermaster now.
Commandermaster. I like that.
But yeah while they seem to be making all the 1987 Targetmasters into Headmasters as well, it's not a hard and fast rule as to the entire line. I mean... already, Astrotrain and Sentinel Prime weren't -masters. Or Alpha Trion. Or - going into leaks - Megatron, non-Powermaster Optimus, Doublecross...

For me, the only problem I have with Blurr, Triggerhappy etc. being headmasters - and I've said this a lot and I'm worrying about being a bit of a dick with saying it so much - is that they don't have their targetmaster partners as guns anymore. I'm fine with headmasters being added on as it's easily ignorable and just adds something to the toy; hence why I'm easily cool with Galvatron and Astrotrain. But Hot Rod for instance actively has his gun-former partner taken away from him. It's not just a new addition, it's taking away from something the original toy had - and it's not just a fun little feature that wasn't the focus of the toy like say, CW Onslaught no longer having a base mode; it was the entire gimmick and selling point of the toy.
Thankfully third parties can easily fix it up, but I would have preferred to see Hasbro tackle the targetmasters themselves because the originals admittedly looked a little bland. Pretty much all of them were black and grey and a lot of them had very similar gun designs, so I'd prefer to see a modernized take with more vibrant colours maybe matching that of their larger partners. A hot rod-themed Firebolt, now there's something I'm totally up for...

But their Titanmasters either have the same name as their G1 Targetmasters or the closest equivalent to their G1 Targetmasters name due to trademark/copyright issues.

By the by, which subgroups did get turned into Titan Masters?

Headmasters
Targetmasters
Powermasters
Monsterbots
Duocons
Throttlebots (rumored)

Basically any group or bot active from 1986-1987 on

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:By the by, which subgroups did get turned into Titan Masters?

Headmasters
Targetmasters
Powermasters
Monsterbots
Duocons
Throttlebots (rumored)

Basically any group or bot active from 1986-1987 on

And I'm 100% OK with every single one of those.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:By the by, which subgroups did get turned into Titan Masters?

Headmasters
Targetmasters
Powermasters
Monsterbots
Duocons
Throttlebots (rumored)

Basically any group or bot active from 1986-1987 on

Chase was a Legends class, not a Titan Master. Also, Krok, an Action Master, was also rumored.

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ultra Mad wrote:I would really like a orange God Ginrai. With all the headmasters coming our way, we might FINALY get a Minerva figure? Along with Go Shooter and Cab, that would be amazing!

That would be more TakaraTomy's department, not Hasbro. Though I could see Hasbro redeocing him as "Spark Attack" after the Heroes of Cybertron PVC figurine.

Speaking of TakaraTomy, they are releasing Loudmouth aka Siren as Goshooter, in a set with Wheelie. No further Headmaster Jr. have been announced, in fact Nightbeat will be released in Japan as... Nightbeat.

I think there's a couple reasons for that. First of all, IDW is iirc pretty popular in Japan - and Nightbeat's risen to prominence as a character despite his fellow 1988 Autobot Headmasters - Siren and Loudmouth - mostly being relegated to the background.
A second reason could be that they might want to do an actual Minerva head as the Nightbeat one looks nothing like her. Compare http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/9/9 ... htbeat.jpg to http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/a/a ... ekotom.jpg . Even if Titan Master Nightbeat did have closer adherence to the G1 figure Minerva is repainted from, Minerva's face was still significantly altered in the anime as you can see there - a more feminine face and more elongated horns.

William James wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: As you may remember, Blurr, Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus and Scourge became Targetmasters in Season 4, so they're fair game.

I didnt know that. So that being the case, why is everyone crying foul on hasbro choosing to make them headmasters here again?

And yet, we have Galvatron. I guess he's a... City Commandermaster now.
Commandermaster. I like that.
But yeah while they seem to be making all the 1987 Targetmasters into Headmasters as well, it's not a hard and fast rule as to the entire line. I mean... already, Astrotrain and Sentinel Prime weren't -masters. Or Alpha Trion. Or - going into leaks - Megatron, non-Powermaster Optimus, Doublecross...

For me, the only problem I have with Blurr, Triggerhappy etc. being headmasters - and I've said this a lot and I'm worrying about being a bit of a dick with saying it so much - is that they don't have their targetmaster partners as guns anymore. I'm fine with headmasters being added on as it's easily ignorable and just adds something to the toy; hence why I'm easily cool with Galvatron and Astrotrain. But Hot Rod for instance actively has his gun-former partner taken away from him. It's not just a new addition, it's taking away from something the original toy had - and it's not just a fun little feature that wasn't the focus of the toy like say, CW Onslaught no longer having a base mode; it was the entire gimmick and selling point of the toy.
Thankfully third parties can easily fix it up, but I would have preferred to see Hasbro tackle the targetmasters themselves because the originals admittedly looked a little bland. Pretty much all of them were black and grey and a lot of them had very similar gun designs, so I'd prefer to see a modernized take with more vibrant colours maybe matching that of their larger partners. A hot rod-themed Firebolt, now there's something I'm totally up for...

But their Titanmasters either have the same name as their G1 Targetmasters or the closest equivalent to their G1 Targetmasters name due to trademark/copyright issues.

I know they're the same characters, but it's not the same function. That's what's getting at me.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about Blurr's partner Hyperfire. I could give a rat's ass about Blurr having a guy that turns into a gun who happens to be called Hyperfire.

It's especially irking for guys like Triggerhappy, because, like... come on, man, it's literally in the name.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:By the by, which subgroups did get turned into Titan Masters?

Headmasters
Targetmasters
Powermasters
Monsterbots
Duocons
Throttlebots (rumored)

Basically any group or bot active from 1986-1987 on

Chase (throttlebot) is a legends class so he's not really a titan master.

Wow.. Look how cheap prime looks without being able to position his feet flush against the ground.. For a $45-$50 figure.. That's just bad. A figure of a character clearly aimed at collectors, but built for a 3 year old. That's a shame.

TimothyR wrote:Wow.. Look how cheap prime looks without being able to position his feet flush against the ground.. For a $45-$50 figure.. That's just bad. A figure of a character clearly aimed at collectors, but built for a 3 year old. That's a shame.

Primes feet can sit flush against the ground just like Magnus' can.

Why can't everybody just be more accepting and optimistic? Oh, that's right, because this is a fandom I'm talking about here. I've completely accepted Titans Return because I think every single figure (except for Blurr) looks amazing. Yeah, there are problems (Blurr), but what Transformers line doesn't have problems or a few dud figures? Not a single Transformers toyline, cartoon, or movie isn't without flaws. I've learned to expect flaws so I'm not constantly complaining when flaws show up. I think you all should try that too. Just remember that not a single thing is perfect. Perfection is something that is 100% impossible to achieve. I'm completely okay with all these characters now being Headmasters. There are many examples of characters being shoved into gimmicks they weren't originally part of even in G1! I just imagine tyem as being like the Japanese fiction where the Titanmaster is the actual character and the body is just a lifeless mech suit. I spent pretty close to about a half-hour typing this. I hope that time I took to type what is basically a speech wasn't wasted.