In Hand Images of Transformers Siege Wave 2 Micromasters with Ravage and Laserbeak

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carytheone wrote:

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Argh, already in stores? *prepares for a lunchtime hunt*

william-james88 wrote:

carytheone wrote:

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Argh, already in stores? *un-prepares for a lunchtime hunt*

Where did I write that?

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman wrote:...Leader Shockwave next.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Wolfman wrote:...Leader Shockwave next.

Yes, plz! And could you take a couple of shots of Megatron and Shockwave without his extra stuff side by side? They should be the same size, right?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's been discussed before but, as I've always felt Transformers work better released as pairs/rivals, perhaps they might actually give one to Omega Supreme. He has had an animosity to Devastator in the past, but I don't see any Gestalts as part of the SIEGE line just yet. Since he is a Land "base" for the Autobots on Cybertron, how about a Water "base" for the Decepticons?

How about a new Tidal Wave?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's been discussed before but, as I've always felt Transformers work better released as pairs/rivals, perhaps they might actually give one to Omega Supreme. He has had an animosity to Devastator in the past, but I don't see any Gestalts as part of the SIEGE line just yet. Since he is a Land "base" for the Autobots on Cybertron, how about a Water "base" for the Decepticons?

How about a new Tidal Wave?

o.supreme wrote:The line is only 12 months long, and has mostly been revealed, and the toys , especially Titans take at least 2 years to develop, if not more, I seriously doubt we will ever see 2 titans in the same line (12 months span), let alone Siege.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not make a Titan Class Tidal Wave in this line to compliment Omega Supreme, Instead of presuming people have a combiner team from a previous line? I'd assume CW Devastator would be less profitable for them as opposed to a new release, especially a figure that hasn't really had any attention since The Unicron Trilogy.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:The line is only 12 months long, and has mostly been revealed, and the toys , especially Titans take at least 2 years to develop, if not more, I seriously doubt we will ever see 2 titans in the same line (12 months span), let alone Siege.

War for Cybertron is a Trilogy though, so I am hopeful Part Two or Three might have some surprises.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not make a Titan Class Tidal Wave in this line to compliment Omega Supreme, Instead of presuming people have a combiner team from a previous line? I'd assume CW Devastator would be less profitable for them as opposed to a new release, especially a figure that hasn't really had any attention since The Unicron Trilogy.

Because the audiences that they're aiming these Titan class figures at in the first place are those who have the disposal income to purchase these Titan class figures on a yearly basis, expecting that said consumers would have already gotten Devastator back when he was available, in anticipation of the forthcoming Titan class Omega Supreme to complement Devastator years later.

Just like how they presumed that the people they were aiming their Titan class Trypticon at had already gotten Titan class Metroplex back when that figure was available.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not make a Titan Class Tidal Wave in this line to compliment Omega Supreme, Instead of presuming people have a combiner team from a previous line? I'd assume CW Devastator would be less profitable for them as opposed to a new release, especially a figure that hasn't really had any attention since The Unicron Trilogy.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

o.supreme wrote:The line is only 12 months long, and has mostly been revealed, and the toys , especially Titans take at least 2 years to develop, if not more, I seriously doubt we will ever see 2 titans in the same line (12 months span), let alone Siege.

War for Cybertron is a Trilogy though, so I am hopeful Part Two or Three might have some surprises.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Why not make a Titan Class Tidal Wave in this line to compliment Omega Supreme, Instead of presuming people have a combiner team from a previous line? I'd assume CW Devastator would be less profitable for them as opposed to a new release, especially a figure that hasn't really had any attention since The Unicron Trilogy.

Because the audiences that they're aiming these Titan class figures at in the first place are those who have the disposal income to purchase these Titan class figures on a yearly basis, expecting that said consumers would have already gotten Devastator back when he was available, in anticipation of the forthcoming Titan class Omega Supreme to complement Devastator years later.

Just like how they presumed that the people they were aiming their Titan class Trypticon at had already gotten Titan class Metroplex back when that figure was available.

Much like those that bought Titan Class Fort Max have been left twiddling their thumbs for Primus knows how long

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Much like those that bought Titan Class Fort Max have been left twiddling their thumbs for Primus knows how long

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Tidal Wave is not G1

I kid, I kid

Sabrblade wrote:All because Trypticon won the fan vote that set back both Scorponok and Omega Supreme.

o.supreme wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Much like those that bought Titan Class Fort Max have been left twiddling their thumbs for Primus knows how long

I't's been 2 1/2 years

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:All because Trypticon won the fan vote that set back both Scorponok and Omega Supreme.

Don't get me started on that again Trypticon and Scorponok shouldn't have been part of that poll. As soon as Metroplex dropped, Trypticon should have at least been at the concept art stage. Same for Scorponok when Fort Max was released.
There just doesn't seem to be any reason or logic to the releases for these lines. It seems something akin to playing darts with a blindfold and a list on names on the wall...

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:All because Trypticon won the fan vote that set back both Scorponok and Omega Supreme.

Don't get me started on that again Trypticon and Scorponok shouldn't have been part of that poll. As soon as Metroplex dropped, Trypticon should have at least been at the concept art stage. Same for Scorponok when Fort Max was released.
There just doesn't seem to be any reason or logic to the releases for these lines. It seems something akin to playing darts with a blindfold and a list on names on the wall...

Metroplex was A) done by a completely different brand team, and B) an experiment to see how, if at all, successful a TF toy that big and expensive could be. Metroplex had to sell well enough for there to even be any more Titan class figures in the first place, hence why there was no Titan class figure in 2014, with Devastator not coming until 2015. Only with Devastator did the "one Titan per year" trend officially begin.

Sabrblade wrote:Metroplex was A) done by a completely different brand team, and B) an experiment to see how, if at all, successful a TF toy that big and expensive could be. Metroplex had to sell well enough for there to even be any more Titan class figures in the first place, hence why there was no Titan class figure in 2014, with Devastator not coming until 2015. Only with Devastator did the "one Titan per year" trend officially begin.

o.supreme wrote:Admittedly, when Generations Metroplex was released for T30 in summer 2013, I thought it would be a *one and done* sort of thing, a special release. I was not collecting at the time, and thought Metroplex *would* have been a great acquisition *if* they would have released Trypticon, and others, but at the time I never thought it would happen. In Summer 2014 when Combiner Wars was revealed as the line for 2015, again I thought they would do only a few of the more popular teams, and that's it. Thoughts of a Computron, Abominus, or Liokaiser, were only a distant dream. I came in on at the tail end of CW, had a ton of catching up to do, but glad I did , when I did. The only real *miss* for me was Metroplex. I'm not sure if/ever/when ever formally announced they would do one Titan Size figure per year for the foreseeable future, but clearly I missed it.

I never saw Metroplex in stores (even supposedly at Costco's marked down for holiday 2013) but oh well, I'm always on the search for a gently used Generaitons Metroplex.

If your logic is that each years figure should follow with it's rival, I kind of understand that. however, given each segment of each Trilogy does have an overall theme, they try to go with what works, or *make* it work.

The point is, we will eventually have all the Giant Transformers again, we have almost all of them now, even if it *maybe* wasn't in the ideal order we wished it would have been.

Cobotron wrote:
"This ends HERE, Megatron!"

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Metroplex was A) done by a completely different brand team, and B) an experiment to see how, if at all, successful a TF toy that big and expensive could be. Metroplex had to sell well enough for there to even be any more Titan class figures in the first place, hence why there was no Titan class figure in 2014, with Devastator not coming until 2015. Only with Devastator did the "one Titan per year" trend officially begin.

Ok, so when Metroplex was a success and sold well enough, the plans should have been there for Trypticon. The City Bot line is only Four Figures (excluding the redecos)The success of one should logically have led to the next. Even every two years, they would have offset the expense in that timescale and the line would have been completed by now.

In terms of size brackets, the City Bots are above the Gestalts. It shouldn't be a case of either/or, as simply put, the combiner teams are just a group of regular sized bots with a gimmick.

• Thrilling 30 - milestone year - Metroplex breaks the record of being the tallest TF toy to date
• Combiner Wars - combiners - Devastator, the first combiner
• Titans Return - Titan Master compatibility - Fort Max (naturally), Trypticon (via fanvote)
• Power of the Primes - Prime Master-compatible combiners - Predaking w/ Prime Master Onyx Prime
• Siege - pre-Earth Cybertronian war - Omega Supreme, the most important of the Guardian Robots, Cybertron's original peacekeeping enforcers

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't buy long term lines. I buy completed sets IE the four Wolf molds from Beast Wars. I don't have the time nor space to invest in every line. So to have Three of Four City Bots, with no concrete details of the Fourth, irks me.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Metroplex was A) done by a completely different brand team, and B) an experiment to see how, if at all, successful a TF toy that big and expensive could be. Metroplex had to sell well enough for there to even be any more Titan class figures in the first place, hence why there was no Titan class figure in 2014, with Devastator not coming until 2015. Only with Devastator did the "one Titan per year" trend officially begin.

Ok, so when Metroplex was a success and sold well enough, the plans should have been there for Trypticon. The City Bot line is only Four Figures (excluding the redecos)The success of one should logically have led to the next. Even every two years, they would have offset the expense in that timescale and the line would have been completed by now.

In terms of size brackets, the City Bots are above the Gestalts. It shouldn't be a case of either/or, as simply put, the combiner teams are just a group of regular sized bots with a gimmick.

The Titan class also complies with the theme of each line that each Titan is released in, though:

• Thrilling 30 - milestone year - Metroplex breaks the record of being the tallest TF toy to date
• Combiner Wars - combiners - Devastator, the first combiner
• Titans Return - Titan Master compatibility - Fort Max (naturally), Trypticon (via fanvote)
• Power of the Primes - Prime Master-compatible combiners - Predaking w/ Prime Master Onyx Prime
• Siege - pre-Earth Cybertronian war - Omega Supreme, the most important of the Guardian Robots, Cybertron's original peacekeeping enforcers

Trypticon couldn't have come any sooner than he did, until such a line had a theme that allowed him to be made. And even then, it took a fan vote for him to come as soon as he did.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:AllNewSuperRobot, here's the thing: Due to their size, Titan-class figures are big investments, especially since the remaining possibilities after Fort Max would all require entirely new molds due to their design. It makes sense for Hasbro to have put them on a poll to gauge fans' interest priorities before setting the development order - they want to maximize sales on such a costly investment.

Even a redeco is a big investment - that's why LGEX Grand Maximus required a certain number of pre-orders to be produced.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I get that and clearly Trypticon and Scorponok are very different molds to their counterparts. But they should have been able to gauge interest in them from the success of Metroplex, let alone Fort Max too. The fact that those two were (clearly) a financial success should have made it apparent to Hasbro that the fans wanted all four of them IE A completed set.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I get that and clearly Trypticon and Scorponok are very different molds to their counterparts. But they should have been able to gauge interest in them from the success of Metroplex, let alone Fort Max too. The fact that those too were (clearly) a financial success should have made it apparent to Hasbro that the fans wanted all four of them IE A completed set.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I get that and clearly Trypticon and Scorponok are very different molds to their counterparts. But they should have been able to gauge interest in them from the success of Metroplex, let alone Fort Max too. The fact that those too were (clearly) a financial success should have made it apparent to Hasbro that the fans wanted all four of them IE A completed set.

No, you don't get it. The success of Metroplex, Devastator, and Fort Max (who is a Metroplex retool, hence why we got him 2nd out of the citybots) made it apparent that Titan-class figures were viable, yes. But it doesn't make it clear how much the fans wanted who next. General sales data can't really make that kind of prediction.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I get that and clearly Trypticon and Scorponok are very different molds to their counterparts. But they should have been able to gauge interest in them from the success of Metroplex, let alone Fort Max too. The fact that those too were (clearly) a financial success should have made it apparent to Hasbro that the fans wanted all four of them IE A completed set.

No, you don't get it. The success of Metroplex, Devastator, and Fort Max (who is a Metroplex retool, hence why we got him 2nd out of the citybots) made it apparent that Titan-class figures were viable, yes. But it doesn't make it clear how much the fans wanted who next. General sales data can't really make that kind of prediction.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I get that and clearly Trypticon and Scorponok are very different molds to their counterparts. But they should have been able to gauge interest in them from the success of Metroplex, let alone Fort Max too. The fact that those too were (clearly) a financial success should have made it apparent to Hasbro that the fans wanted all four of them IE A completed set.

No, you don't get it. The success of Metroplex, Devastator, and Fort Max (who is a Metroplex retool, hence why we got him 2nd out of the citybots) made it apparent that Titan-class figures were viable, yes. But it doesn't make it clear how much the fans wanted who next. General sales data can't really make that kind of prediction.

No, I understood, you just missed the point from earlier. They are sets. The City Bots are a set of Four.

Sabrblade wrote:How can they be a set when the originals hardly even went together? Metroplex and Trypticon were built like they were from two completely different toylines, while Fort Max was almost twice as large as Scorponok and even larger than the first two.

ZeroWolf wrote:But what if the theme is combiners and you have one team that doesn't adhere to the gimmick your utlising to achieve maximum efficiency in the line (in terms of redecos, retools and shared engineering)? Why you shove the 6 member team to the titan class

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Or maybe, crazy as it sounds, Hasbro could revive one of the Forgotten Combiner Teams and not just keep redoing the same half a dozen? Like Raiden, Monstructor, Piranacon and/or Dinoking perhaps? Alternatively they could just keep making mish-mashes like Galvatronus...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:How can they be a set when the originals hardly even went together? Metroplex and Trypticon were built like they were from two completely different toylines, while Fort Max was almost twice as large as Scorponok and even larger than the first two.

Yes, but they all came under the umbrella title of City Bot.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I really don't understand the mystery of Raiden's omission? It was there at the beginning with Devastator as the first wave of the Gestalts, yet only Devastator progressed beyond the 80's

o.supreme wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I really don't understand the mystery of Raiden's omission? It was there at the beginning with Devastator as the first wave of the Gestalts, yet only Devastator progressed beyond the 80's

Personally I think Raiden is amazing. However Hasbro chose not to import the original Diaclone train robo toys as Transformers mostly because they figured US kids would not be as familiar with, or interested in a team of Bullet Trains, when no such transportation system exists in North America even now, let alone 35 years ago. Although it's Japanese roots is fully embraced now, I think initially Hasbro wanted to avoid any connection to it, as if the cleverness and ingenuity of the product was all their own. Unless like myself, you lived in areas (Like San Francisco) where you had access to toys from Asia, and the connection was obvious from the beginning

ZeroWolf wrote:Raiden never went further then Japan really, only reason fans know of him is the Internet