In Hand Images of Transformers Legacy Kickback

AcademyofDrX wrote:

o.supreme wrote:It's kind of neat that since Kickback was the last Insecticon to get a Legends scale figure during Prime Wars, he was the First to get a deluxe size in the new series. I just hope that somehow, despite the controversy with Takatoku (now Bandai) designs, they can make new Deluxe Insecticons true enough to the original, but unique enough not to have any legal issues.

I don't think there are any legal issues per se, toy designs aren't copyrighted the way that media is, and any patents for the original toys would have expired long ago. If anything, Hasbro probably doesn't make toys for those characters because they rarely appeared in any media, with RiD's Chop Shop perhaps the biggest exception.

Nah, pretty sure the mold ownership is still an issue, otherwise there wouldn't be such a hubbub every time a Jetfire or Gobot-based character is released. I think Chop Shop might be the outlier in the whole Deluxe Insecticon group.

Then again, the main problem is with reissuing the old molds, so new toys aren't out of the question if they're different enough, I guess.

MaximalNui wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

o.supreme wrote:It's kind of neat that since Kickback was the last Insecticon to get a Legends scale figure during Prime Wars, he was the First to get a deluxe size in the new series. I just hope that somehow, despite the controversy with Takatoku (now Bandai) designs, they can make new Deluxe Insecticons true enough to the original, but unique enough not to have any legal issues.

I don't think there are any legal issues per se, toy designs aren't copyrighted the way that media is, and any patents for the original toys would have expired long ago. If anything, Hasbro probably doesn't make toys for those characters because they rarely appeared in any media, with RiD's Chop Shop perhaps the biggest exception.

Nah, pretty sure the mold ownership is still an issue, otherwise there wouldn't be such a hubbub every time a Jetfire or Gobot-based character is released. I think Chop Shop might be the outlier in the whole Deluxe Insecticon group.

Then again, the main problem is with reissuing the old molds, so new toys aren't out of the question if they're different enough, I guess.

Yeah, the legal issues begin and end at releasing the original toys. That's already been decided in court, Hasbro can do whatever they want aside from reissuing the OG toys.

I’m having a hard time deciding wether I should cancel Dragstrip or not after the recent pictures. Not entirely sure I like the concept of a Menasor endo-skeleton where you just attach Stunticons to existing limbs.

I did however bite the bullet and pre-ordered Kickback though.

Not really excited about having a combiner that isn't really a proper combination of 5 bots.
At the same time...I usually prefer it when the individual robots are prioritised and rarely display my bots combined, but it still feels a bit lame knowing that Motormaster will probably have a ton of junk to lug around that is only useful for combined mode and will probably have a half-assed base mode to make the kibble justified. Unless, of course, I'm completely wrong and Motormaster will have it entirely self-contained. That'd make it less lame.
I'll still probably get them anyway since the robot modes look better than what we got in Combiner Wars (probably due to not really needing to do much to combine, lol.)

Overcracker wrote:I’m having a hard time deciding wether I should cancel Dragstrip or not after the recent pictures. Not entirely sure I like the concept of a Menasor endo-skeleton where you just attach Stunticons to existing limbs.

I did however bite the bullet and pre-ordered Kickback though.

I'm the opposite. I was set on passing on Dragstrip, but I'm leaning towards ordering, depending on what the rest of the Stunticons look like, especially Motormaster.

I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I really like the Prime Wars Insecticons. I thought the small size suited them, but then until Cliffjumper I always preferred smaller minibots, too. I've decided to justify the new Legacy version(s?) by holding on to the Prime Wars guys as clones or TF:TM scrap, though only time will tell if I'll use them the way or just keep them in overstock bins.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I really like the Prime Wars Insecticons. I thought the small size suited them, but then until Cliffjumper I always preferred smaller minibots, too. I've decided to justify the new Legacy version(s?) by holding on to the Prime Wars guys as clones or TF:TM scrap, though only time will tell if I'll use them the way or just keep them in overstock bins.

Yeah that's the way I'm leaning as well. If I do get the new deluxes, one set will go on my TF:TM shelf and the other on my comics shelf. But which to where?

You know, Hasbro really kind of blew it with how they made Dragstrip split in half. Instead of whatever split they used with the current tabs, they should have gone with a clean split and a 5mm post/port. It would have the same functionality for the combiner as it does now, plus shirt/pants cross compatibility with Dead End and a few weaponizers, modulators and fossilizers. That would have been epic...

Personally, I'm still hoping we get G2 versions of the Stunticons, regardless of combination method. I love both versions of them

SpaceEagle wrote:Not really excited about having a combiner that isn't really a proper combination of 5 bots.

Unfortunately, that is cartoon "accurate". Though this is one of the many reasons I'm not a big fan of cartoon accurate except for the heads and general body shape. However, with the combiners, I'd rather have proper combiners that have robots forming arms and legs than attaching to someone else's limbs. Menasor and Superion's cartoon designs pertaining to the limbs was always kind of goofy. Just because it was simplified for animators to draw doesn't mean the toys should be made that way. I've been arguing this point for years since the first Masterpiece figures started favoring cartoon styling and it seems that someone in charge really really really likes the cartoon designs. It's too much of a good thing. I want a more "real" world version of what I saw on the screen. The initial MP-10 and on figures had it right, especially Wheeljack and Prowl both of whom I think nailed the whole interpretation of cartoon models translated to toys.

I'm a bit on the fence with the combiners.

On one hand, Combiner Wars did a great job of giving us modern combiners, though the Stunticons were probably the weakest of the bunch.

On the other hand, cartoon accuracy isn't always the best thing to strive for (as Ryan shared above), BUT ... it seems to be a completely new take on how combiners work so I am curious.

Curious enough to go out and get them when I already have an original G1 AND a Unite Warriors version? Maybe ...

Differing views on style of combination notwithstanding, I can come up with 1 positive about the new Stunticons that I can guess most of us approve of: we finally get a proper, proportionate update of Motormaster, cab-and-trailer combination included. Not an added upgrade kit, a true new version of Motormaster, with updated engineering. Like we should have got in Combiner Wars. But that figure was made with Optimus in mind. This one will be Motormaster 1st and foremost, even if he does get some type of repaint/retool. A new Magnus or Powermaster Prime perhaps, where the cab and trailer are integrated? At commander class, it can certainly be done, and for those 2 particular characters it would be proper scale. Though I don't see another Magnus coming down the line so soon, it would be oversaturation.

Even though he never combined with his trailer, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Motormaster mold used as Thunderclash.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Differing views on style of combination notwithstanding, I can come up with 1 positive about the new Stunticons that I can guess most of us approve of: we finally get a proper, proportionate update of Motormaster, cab-and-trailer combination included. Not an added upgrade kit, a true new version of Motormaster, with updated engineering. Like we should have got in Combiner Wars. But that figure was made with Optimus in mind. This one will be Motormaster 1st and foremost, even if he does get some type of repaint/retool. A new Magnus or Powermaster Prime perhaps, where the cab and trailer are integrated? At commander class, it can certainly be done, and for those 2 particular characters it would be proper scale. Though I don't see another Magnus coming down the line so soon, it would be oversaturation.

He's still not perfectly proper since the Motormaster component is just the cab, which only became his feet in G1. But I see why they went that route if they wanted to limit extra pieces for the limb skeleton.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Differing views on style of combination notwithstanding, I can come up with 1 positive about the new Stunticons that I can guess most of us approve of: we finally get a proper, proportionate update of Motormaster, cab-and-trailer combination included. Not an added upgrade kit, a true new version of Motormaster, with updated engineering. Like we should have got in Combiner Wars. But that figure was made with Optimus in mind. This one will be Motormaster 1st and foremost, even if he does get some type of repaint/retool. A new Magnus or Powermaster Prime perhaps, where the cab and trailer are integrated? At commander class, it can certainly be done, and for those 2 particular characters it would be proper scale. Though I don't see another Magnus coming down the line so soon, it would be oversaturation.

He's still not perfectly proper since the Motormaster component is just the cab, which only became his feet in G1. But I see why they went that route if they wanted to limit extra pieces for the limb skeleton.

How do we know this about Legacy Commander? I feel like I missed something.

I would understand the complaints about the combination method if Combiner Wars Menasor didn't exist, but he does. There already is a Scramble City style Menasor. Let this one combine in a new way, it's more interesting than just getting an aesthetic refresh of the Combiner Wars one.

Rtron wrote:I would understand the complaints about the combination method if Combiner Wars Menasor didn't exist, but he does. There already is a Scramble City style Menasor. Let this one combine in a new way, it's more interesting than just getting an aesthetic refresh of the Combiner Wars one.

I think some feel that really isn't a combiner, but rather a really big bot wearing cars as armor. I mostly feel this way myself, but am coming around to probably getting them. If nothing else, the individual bot and car/truck modes should be better than CW and worth having even if the combined mode isn't really my thing.

However, one big area of improvement I'm expecting across all 5 bots is better weapons. I prefer guns to melee weapons in general, so that portion should definitely be an improvement, especially if Menasor gets both a gun and sword.

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Differing views on style of combination notwithstanding, I can come up with 1 positive about the new Stunticons that I can guess most of us approve of: we finally get a proper, proportionate update of Motormaster, cab-and-trailer combination included. Not an added upgrade kit, a true new version of Motormaster, with updated engineering. Like we should have got in Combiner Wars. But that figure was made with Optimus in mind. This one will be Motormaster 1st and foremost, even if he does get some type of repaint/retool. A new Magnus or Powermaster Prime perhaps, where the cab and trailer are integrated? At commander class, it can certainly be done, and for those 2 particular characters it would be proper scale. Though I don't see another Magnus coming down the line so soon, it would be oversaturation.

He's still not perfectly proper since the Motormaster component is just the cab, which only became his feet in G1. But I see why they went that route if they wanted to limit extra pieces for the limb skeleton.

How do we know this about Legacy Commander? I feel like I missed something.

That was said in a quick leak, so not sure if it's totally legit. However, the "slap-the-cars-on-the-trailer-exo-skeleton" has been done already by a different company, and thus serves as a potential example of what's to come.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Rtron wrote:I would understand the complaints about the combination method if Combiner Wars Menasor didn't exist, but he does. There already is a Scramble City style Menasor. Let this one combine in a new way, it's more interesting than just getting an aesthetic refresh of the Combiner Wars one.

I think some feel that really isn't a combiner, but rather a really big bot wearing cars as armor. I mostly feel this way myself, but am coming around to probably getting them. If nothing else, the individual bot and car/truck modes should be better than CW and worth having even if the combined mode isn't really my thing.

However, one big area of improvement I'm expecting across all 5 bots is better weapons. I prefer guns to melee weapons in general, so that portion should definitely be an improvement, especially if Menasor gets both a gun and sword.

Not trying to change anyone's minds by any strech, we all like what we like and that's fine. It's the constant clamor I find a bit weird. Maybe I like it because I'm looking at it as more of a "supermode" type of combination?

And, in my opinion, we can be sure the individual modes will be better, except for Motormaster, since apparently Hasbro will keep refusing to give him his proper transformation scheme. But I've never given two scraps about the Stunticons, yet I'm really, really liking this Dragstrip.

Rtron wrote:And, in my opinion, we can be sure the individual modes will be better, except for Motormaster, since apparently Hasbro will keep refusing to give him his proper transformation scheme. But I've never given two scraps about the Stunticons, yet I'm really, really liking this Dragstrip.

Given the current penchant for scale, if they did that, either the vehicle mode is too small, or the robot mode's too big. Take your pick

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Overcracker wrote:I’m having a hard time deciding wether I should cancel Dragstrip or not after the recent pictures. Not entirely sure I like the concept of a Menasor endo-skeleton where you just attach Stunticons to existing limbs.

I did however bite the bullet and pre-ordered Kickback though.

I'm the opposite. I was set on passing on Dragstrip, but I'm leaning towards ordering, depending on what the rest of the Stunticons look like, especially Motormaster.

I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I like Dragstrip. He looks really nice and means the other ones should look just as nice. The fact he's unencumbered by the combination gimmick means he's a really good robot and vehicle. So it bodes well for the other cars. I'm just not entirely sold on the endo skeleton with cars just strapped to the limbs concept. So not sure I can justify spending all that money and then not combing them because I don't like the actual combination. C ool looking cars and a truck is good and all.

I've seen the 3rd party attempts and I just don't like them. I feel combiners should actually combine. And the combined mode should not be able to exist without even one of them. This concept means I can buy a Motormaster only, and still have a fully functional large robot without needing the other guys.

I guess if I really like the other Sunticons and Motormaster is really cool, I might consider them. For now, I guess drag strip stays pre-ordered and we'll see what happens with the others guys.


As to the Insecticons, I never picked up the CW versions. So I can say these will be my definitive Insecticons.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

We can't say Hasbro makes Insecticons without the Deluxe ones in mind: first Chop shop out of T30 Shrapnel, then of all bugs Venom out of CW Bombshell which ended up unused. I can see history repeating here.

I'm perfectly happy with my Legends Insecticons, even better if Ransack does get made out of Legacy Kickback he'll scale to them like the G1 originals did.

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

We can't say Hasbro makes Insecticons without the Deluxe ones in mind: first Chop shop out of T30 Shrapnel, then of all bugs Venom out of CW Bombshell which ended up unused. I can see history repeating here.

I'm perfectly happy with my Legends Insecticons, even better if Ransack does get made out of Legacy Kickback he'll scale to them like the G1 originals did.

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

Stunticons are arthropods confirmed

Kickback doesn't look half bad. The twin swords are a nice addition.

Legacy Prime Arcee:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

...

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

I guess you're right. Exo-Skeleton, with some cars as shoulder pads and shin guards. In other words Menasor as a Lacrosse player.

Overcracker wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

...

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

I guess you're right. Exo-Skeleton, with some cars as shoulder pads and shin guards. In other words Menasor as a Lacrosse player.

Damnit, now I'm going to need a 3P lacrosse stick and net...

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm probably in the minority of fans who are satisfied with the Prime Wars insecticons, though an actual deluxe version does sound enticing. I wonder if all 3 will be in the Legacy line, or if we might get 1 in the SS86 line.

I believe most (if not all) Legacy reveals have been leaked, and there are no other Insecticons for 2022. Probably 1 per year over the next 3 years unfortunately. I really hope though that they do some extensive retools to make Deluxe Insecticons, even if they are Selects releases.

Previously Legends Class

Shrapnel was released in T30 (2014)
Bombshell in CW (2015) * This is the only one I have because of his "fan mode" Gun he can be for a Combiner
Chop Shop in CW (2016)
Kickback in TR (2017)
T30 Shrapnel was re-released in PotP (2018)

WFC Trilogy had NO Insecticons, which is fine, all the more time to get the updates as nice as possible.

I think there's a rumour saying there's a repaint of Kickback as Ransack coming out in a Worlds Collide style four-pack. It seemed lazy at first, but then I checked out the G1 Ransack toy on youtube, and honestly he transforms mostly the same as Kickback

...

btw Doesn't G1 Cartoon Menasor use an exo-skeleton, like on the outside, instead of an endo-skeleton like us humans?

I guess you're right. Exo-Skeleton, with some cars as shoulder pads and shin guards. In other words Menasor as a Lacrosse player.

Damnit, now I'm going to need a 3P lacrosse stick and net...

LOL!

The problem with the "cartoon accuracy" argument with Menasor is that he does also appear as a proper combiner in the cartoon.



The "cars on top of Morormaster's limbs" depiction is just an animation error. You might as well make a toy out of this:

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Differing views on style of combination notwithstanding, I can come up with 1 positive about the new Stunticons that I can guess most of us approve of: we finally get a proper, proportionate update of Motormaster, cab-and-trailer combination included. Not an added upgrade kit, a true new version of Motormaster, with updated engineering. Like we should have got in Combiner Wars. But that figure was made with Optimus in mind. This one will be Motormaster 1st and foremost, even if he does get some type of repaint/retool. A new Magnus or Powermaster Prime perhaps, where the cab and trailer are integrated? At commander class, it can certainly be done, and for those 2 particular characters it would be proper scale. Though I don't see another Magnus coming down the line so soon, it would be oversaturation.

He's still not perfectly proper since the Motormaster component is just the cab, which only became his feet in G1. But I see why they went that route if they wanted to limit extra pieces for the limb skeleton.

How do we know this about Legacy Commander? I feel like I missed something.

Reliable leakers on TFW

Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

Omegatron. wrote:The "cars on top of Morormaster's limbs" depiction is just an animation error. You might as well make a toy out of this:

DivideandConquer_slopedPrime.jpg

Pipes retool as Optimus Prime confirmed!

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Omegatron. wrote:The "cars on top of Morormaster's limbs" depiction is just an animation error. You might as well make a toy out of this:

DivideandConquer_slopedPrime.jpg

Pipes retool as Optimus Prime confirmed!

Retool? Just paint the cab red.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

I don't know, that's why I thought Motormaster would be the entire truck, and the others would be attached to him just like in G1, where the arm limbs attached to his arms and the leg limbs attached to the lower parts of his legs, making him taller. His upper body can be reconfigured to make Menasor bulkier once the limbs are combined.

Or will he be like Ultra Magnus or Powermaster Prime where the trailer only comes into play when he's upgrading to Menasor, but the cab will be the base bot? I mean, if he was the entire truck, that would make Motormaster by himself larger than a leader, so I doubt that will happen. This is why I dont get why he's commander class. The only thing justifies that is a voyager plus accessories. But then he's not a real update, just another version of the CW figure.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

I don't know, that's why I thought Motormaster would be the entire truck, and the others would be attached to him just like in G1, where the arm limbs attached to his arms and the leg limbs attached to the lower parts of his legs, making him taller. His upper body can be reconfigured to make Menasor bulkier once the limbs are combined.

Or will he be like Ultra Magnus or Powermaster Prime where the trailer only comes into play when he's upgrading to Menasor, but the cab will be the base bot? I mean, if he was the entire truck, that would make Motormaster by himself larger than a leader, so I doubt that will happen. This is why I dont get why he's commander class. The only thing justifies that is a voyager plus accessories. But then he's not a real update, just another version of the CW figure.

Motormaster is the cab, with the trailer only coming in during combination

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Ok I also missed that somehow. I thought the entire truck was going to be Motormaster this time around. It should be.

But then where does the whole exoskeleton to stick cars onto come from?

I don't know, that's why I thought Motormaster would be the entire truck, and the others would be attached to him just like in G1, where the arm limbs attached to his arms and the leg limbs attached to the lower parts of his legs, making him taller. His upper body can be reconfigured to make Menasor bulkier once the limbs are combined.

Or will he be like Ultra Magnus or Powermaster Prime where the trailer only comes into play when he's upgrading to Menasor, but the cab will be the base bot? I mean, if he was the entire truck, that would make Motormaster by himself larger than a leader, so I doubt that will happen. This is why I dont get why he's commander class. The only thing justifies that is a voyager plus accessories. But then he's not a real update, just another version of the CW figure.

Motormaster is the cab, with the trailer only coming in during combination

Trailer also has a base mode (homaging the G1 base mode), so it comes into play in all 3 modes.

And Rodimus Prime, now I see where you are getting at, with the Menasor mode using Motormaster's limbs as the base for the combiner limbs. That technique has good potential, we'll see what it ultimately is.

ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Menasor the only one with a radically different cartoon model for the combiner mode?

Sorta, the other combiners got really square and hid the leg kibble behind the legs, unlike the toys who had the kibble on the front.

FYI, I think Dragstrip's guns, or one of them, are painted clear plastic or just a really dark clear plastic.

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about the "limbs attaching to a skeleton" design of Menasor. From a thematic standpoint it's stupid, like what's the point of being a combiner if just Motormaster can form the entire main body?

On the other hand, it's a much better idea for a modern toy, since I imagine that Legacy Menasor is probably going to be much more stable and posable than the CW Combiners, since it's just the limbs attaching onto a specially designed frame.

I won't get him because I hate Menasor specifically, but I'd be excited to see a Legacy version of a different combiner like Defensor.

Autobot N wrote:I won't get him because I hate Menasor specifically, but I'd be excited to see a Legacy version of a different combiner like Defensor.

Man, I'm the opposite. Siege Prowl: look at this dopey little fascist, the big jerk, I will take one. Earthrise Prowl: oh you're pretending to be a human cop now, did you get tired of being a space war criminal, I will also buy one of these. SS86 Sweep: ugh these dummies, you're all the same, you're like Insecticons with less personality, I love it when you guys die, I hate you so much, here's a hundred bucks, I'll take three!

If we want a really good look at Menasor's cartoon model besides random screencaps, here it is:



And here's both Motormaster and his very cheat-y transformation:

Something something transformation purity something something too much cartoon accuracy. Gimme a break. If the figure looks great in the end, what does it matter?

Personally I don't really see any difference between attaching a car to a frame and having to plug hands and feet into cars. They're all faking it, it's still a combiner in my book. And it's just the arms that this is going to be noticeable on, I doubt Hasbro cares about cartoon accuracy quite as much as that KO does and puts fake shins on him. As for the arms, the car-facing side of the arm is going to be the hollow side for sure, it will not look good or complete without the car attached.

Emerje

sol magnus wrote:Something something transformation purity something something too much cartoon accuracy. Gimme a break. If the figure looks great in the end, what does it matter?

Earthrise Arcee looks good in bot mode and car mode, but is also hailed a one of the worst transformers in recent memory. So I guess things do matter to some people regardless of how it looks.

My personal opinion is that Motormaster is the one exception to vehicle mode scale being somewhat important. My preference is that he and Prime should be able to pull each other's trailers just from a play value perspective.

That said, I still think it would have been cool if they had included two combined mode options: One using the trailer for a more animation accurate skeleton where the Stunticons peg on, and one without, where Motormaster became a more toy inspired torso and the Stunticons form actual limbs instead of pegging onto a structure. Definitely would have been more of a challenge to do from a design perspective, but hopefully the way it currently is allows them to do a nice looking Motormaster and Menasor.

Also, in case people are worried that Menasor won't actually need Motormaster anymore due to the trailer becoming the skeleton, leakers have said that Motormaster (and the leg bots) actually plug into the frame to fill in their rrspective sections, so the leg bots basically make up the shins while a frame keeps it stable, and Motormaster becomes the torso and head

So if that's true, the trailer becomes basically a 6th member to make up the torso with Motormaster, like Hook and Long Haul do for Devastator.

Rodimus Prime wrote:So if that's true, the trailer becomes basically a 6th member to make up the torso with Motormaster, like Hook and Long Haul do for Devastator.

From what we know, the trailer apparently becomes the entire body of Menasor. Feet, legs, torso, head, arms and hands. What if anything Motormaster contributes to the combination is unknown. Maybe just the chest.

Think Power of the Primes Optimus Prime's trailer for how it should essentially work based on what we know.

Overcracker wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:So if that's true, the trailer becomes basically a 6th member to make up the torso with Motormaster, like Hook and Long Haul do for Devastator.

Think Power of the Primes Optimus Prime's trailer for how it should essentially work based on what we know.

That's not a bad way to do it I guess. I still wish Motormaster was the whole truck.