In Hand Images of MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw
Monday, January 7th, 2013 4:04AM CST
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Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:14am CST
I'd prefer Frenzy's ball-joints to be less visible while wearing the piledrivers, but hopefully it is possible to turn the arms around. Also, the paint looks sloppy (especially on Frenzy's chest).
Posted by DPrime on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:17am CST
Posted by CBratetron on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:20am CST
I marvel at the lack of add-on bits for Laserbeak and Ravage.
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:21am CST
DPrime wrote:Hmmmmm...... $60, I don't know about this one. Looks cheap.
These look pretty good to me price-quality wise, but then again, I have MP-16 (Frenzy and Buzzsaw) and MP-15 (Ravage and Rumble) pre-ordered at $34.81 each
Posted by Mykltron on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:27am CST
Posted by CBratetron on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:32am CST
Posted by alldarker on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:13am CST
CBratetron wrote:For hiding those ball joints you'd turn the arms so the shoulders face forward and then hope the elbows can bend backwards as well as forwards. If that's not possible, you can always pop the arms of those ball joints and swap them.
Judging from the photo of Frenzy in tape-mode, the elbows cannot bend backward. And it looks like they have to be positioned in an upward position to slide on the pile-drivers, meaning the ball-joints will always point forward (which is also shown by the packaging photo). So, yeah, popping off the arms is the only way to possibly avond the ball-joints showing on the front: however, it will impede transformation, and he's going to look dumb with his arms back to front without the pile-drivers on them . Oh, well... We're just going to have to manage. Anyone know if the pile-drivers are springloaded?
Posted by daimchoc on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:17am CST
Posted by Trikeboy on January 7th, 2013 @ 5:27am CST
Posted by Mindmaster on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:15am CST
Posted by Mindmaster on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:20am CST
CBratetron wrote:Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?
It's been known for a pretty long while. I remember when the news crew here at Seibertron posting test shots of Laserbeak with the deployed camera. More evidence is that there is a pin on the side of his head, but that could be for transforming him.
Posted by wewyllenium on January 7th, 2013 @ 6:21am CST
Posted by Cyber Bishop on January 7th, 2013 @ 7:41am CST
Posted by AutoBorst on January 7th, 2013 @ 8:08am CST
Even crazier is that price though. Definitely waiting for the Hasbro release, prices on these and Soundwave are just ridiculous.
Posted by kirbenvost on January 7th, 2013 @ 8:48am CST
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 8:58am CST
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:19am CST
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 9:41am CST
I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:14am CST
mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:22am CST
Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
Tampographs and paint masks aren't in your dictionary then? Even then, machines can mess up at times
And in Japan, Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red. Always has been, even in their dub. Period
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:24am CST
Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....
Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?
Posted by SJ21 on January 7th, 2013 @ 10:37am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on January 7th, 2013 @ 12:36pm CST
They did. Dude, this is Takara, remember? In Japan. Frenzy was always the purple/blue one in the Japanese version, so they're just following how it's always been.Rated X wrote:It's Rumble dammit get it right !!!
The English-language version of the G1 cartoon is not the end-all, be-all, definitive version of Generation 1. No such thing exists.
If Hasbro releases this over here, they're probably label this figure "Rumble" since they seem to be in a "FIRRIB" mindset these days. But it was always "RIRFIB" from the very beginning before the cartoon came along and swapped their names/colors for some unspecified reason.
Posted by daimchoc on January 7th, 2013 @ 12:52pm CST
Posted by Rated X on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:03pm CST
mooncake623 wrote:Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:I think fatigue has finally set in to those poor Chinese factory workers that work 16 hours a day painting these things.
so you're saying these guys are hand painted?
Im pretty sure all paint apps are hand painted. I dont think they have an assembly belt with robot arms that can be programmed to paint different apps on different figures.
I'm not sure either but you're just assuming. I don't see why they won't have an assembly belt painting figures that are being mass produced. doesn't matter how little you pay factory workers but if paint apps are being painted by hand... it's not cost effective and it'll take forever....
Also look at your figures... you think the paint apps are hand painted?
Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Posted by Evil Eye on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:22pm CST
Posted by KNM2012 on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:23pm CST
Rated X wrote:It's Rumble dammit get it right !!!
According to Marvel Comics, which was the publication that both created and started this franchise for Hasbro, Rumble is the red one. Hasbro has even made the original Generation 1 Rumble be the red one. And it was only Sunbow who disregarded this fact - As Frenzy did a lot of rumbling, and they felt that it would confuse the children who watched it.
However, even though Takara chose to go by the names used in both the comic and toyline, it does reflect why they chose to change Optimus Prime's name to "Convoy."
Rated X wrote:If they wanted to go the "toy accurate" route, then Buzzsaw should have come with Soundwave and Lazerbeak should have come with this guy.
Actually, the Japanese version of Buzzsaw was never packaged with Soundwave. It was packaged in the VSZ set, which included Sunstreaker and Skids. Rumble was the one that came packaged with Soundwave (when it comes to the Japanese packaging).
Posted by mooncake623 on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:36pm CST
Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Thanks completely untrue. And way to generalize Asian people. Also Has/Tak's factories are in Vietnam... its not the same...
Posted by Blurrz on January 7th, 2013 @ 4:38pm CST
Rated X wrote:Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
1) All applications are not hand painted. The majority of applications, like faction symbols or decals are applied via tampographs - applied through heat and pressure. If they were paint you would be able to chip it off. Of course there are some times where paint is applied, like in holes or in spots where chipping would likely not occur.
2) Doing things by hand is something that people are good at. Stop being ethnocentric.
3) It's not because Chinese labor is cheap, it's because countries like Japan and South Korea have unions, ethics committee - none of that exists in rural China. Corporations like Hasbro don't want to deal with all of that red tape, so they move to countries (Vietnam and China) where ethics is nonexistent.
4) Whether or not it's by hand or by machine, machines make mistakes too.
Posted by Stormrider on January 7th, 2013 @ 8:56pm CST
CBratetron wrote:Buzzsaw/Laserbeak's head still looks like a camera flips out of the forehead. Has anyone confirmed this?
I marvel at the lack of add-on bits for Laserbeak and Ravage.
yes, a camera does flip out. I can't recall where the picture is but I have seen it.
I am really digging these guys. Strange that they are not showing more of what the pile drivers turn into when not actually pile driving. from the accessory that clips on, I am guessing they are turn into batteries? Can anyone else confirm?
Love the face on Frenzy. Does Rumble have a different face mold? The silver paint on Frenzy's chest is bothering me. Is there a way to fix it, paint it? What is the L2412 reference on Frenzy? Scale wise, I believe both are just slightly smaller than then the originals.
Strange to see that there is only one bio card for the two figures. That's a masterpiece first.
Posted by El Duque on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:46pm CST
Additionally we also have a couple of shots of their instruction sheet from the poster who shared the earlier set of images. It appears the upcoming MP-13 Soundwave will be able to store Frenzy's weapons in alt mode and mount his pile drivers on his arm as a double barreled cannon of sorts.
Lastly we have yet another image from ACToys detailing MP-13 Soundwave's chest compartment where he can store up to three cassettes.
Images mirrored below.
Posted by Trikeboy on January 7th, 2013 @ 11:58pm CST
Posted by xyl360 on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:11am CST
Now PLEASE do the same thing with Ratbat !
Posted by CBratetron on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:20am CST
All I need is Soundwave, Ravage and Laserbeak.
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:22am CST
Posted by AutoBorst on January 8th, 2013 @ 6:46am CST
Kinda' surprised there hasn't been a MP Soundblaster announcement yet.
Posted by Cyberpath on January 8th, 2013 @ 7:12am CST
Posted by Doubledealer93 on January 8th, 2013 @ 8:00am CST
Posted by RiddlerJ on January 8th, 2013 @ 8:03am CST
Posted by Erailea on January 8th, 2013 @ 8:53am CST
CBratetron wrote:Not getting this MP-16 twin pack, just the other one.
All I need is Soundwave, Ravage and Laserbeak.
Ditto. Lol.
If, by the off chance, this set goes on sale, I might snag it. I don't feel compelled to spend $60 on these guys.
Posted by Rated X on January 8th, 2013 @ 10:26am CST
mooncake623 wrote:Honestly I believe all apps are hand painted. Doing things by hand has always been something asian people are very talented at. They are masters at detail. And Chinese labor is dirt cheap. Thats why the Has/Tak factories are in China instead of Japan. But looking at the latest pics above this post, the paint apps are all screwed up on these. Just look at the silver on the left side of Rumble/Frenzy's chest ans the crotch as well...
Thanks completely untrue. And way to generalize Asian people. Also Has/Tak's factories are in Vietnam... its not the same...
First time a compliment has ever been attacked as being "generalizing". I wouldnt be the first person to say Asian people have steady hands when it comes to painting. Im not saying others cant do it, Im just saying people in the asian hemisphere have mastered the craft.
Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are. But once again, I dont believe there is a machine with robot hands that can be programed to press paint apps on different shapes of plastic. Theyre not that high tech. Im sure these "Tampographs" must be laid on the plastic and centered by hand. Are they like stencils ? And Vient Nam, China, Taiwan, etc, the point is Hasbro wants to pay less. Blurrz had mentioned that they dont want to deal with ethics and it's cost. It makes sense for Hasbro since the figures will be shipped to the western hemisphere. But dont you find it kind of dishonorable that Takara chooses to outsource to a country only a few hundred miles away ? Rich Asians exploiting poor asians ? I know Im touching a very sensitive issue that will trigger some people on this site to go ape s**t. But looking at Frenzys messed up paint apps boggles the mind as to how the process is done and the human aspect behind it.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 8th, 2013 @ 10:36am CST
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
Posted by F Prime on January 8th, 2013 @ 10:46am CST
Rated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are. But once again, I dont believe there is a machine with robot hands that can be programed to press paint apps on different shapes of plastic. Theyre not that high tech. Im sure these "Tampographs" must be laid on the plastic and centered by hand. Are they like stencils ?
I know nothing about how Transformer paint apps are applied, but I do know that robots can do this. I don't think it would be that difficult....if the majority of the process is assembly line robots the precision would be pretty incredible. The tampograph machine would simply need to know the coordinates for the tampograph(s). There are some pretty incredible videos out there for precision robotic assembly.
Posted by Deruji on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:03pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:51pm CST
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 12:54pm CST
Posted by Rated X on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:33pm CST
Deruji wrote:Sabrblade wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Very interesting. But if it's this easy, then that just opens the door for arguments on why Hasbro versions have SOME of the paint apps, but not ALL of the paint apps Takara versions have. I hate that American market vs. Japanese Market argument Hasbro always throws up in convention pannels. Theyre basically saying American kids are savages who destroy their toys and dont deserve the extra 50 cents worth of Tampo ink. Or are they saying Japanese kids dont buy toy robots, only Japanese adult collectors ? Either way, something seems lazy and cheap on Hasbro's part.
Posted by Mindmaster on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:46pm CST
I wish Frenzy (Rumble!) came with Ravage instead, I'd much rather have those two over Rumble (Frenzy!) and Buzzsaw.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 8th, 2013 @ 1:49pm CST
Rated X wrote:Deruji wrote:Sabrblade wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/TampographRated X wrote:Ive never heard of Tampographs and dont know what they are.
You can see the process explained, at 3:50 you can also see the mass production version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq24QaLArso
Very interesting. But if it's this easy, then that just opens the door for arguments on why Hasbro versions have SOME of the paint apps, but not ALL of the paint apps Takara versions have. I hate that American market vs. Japanese Market argument Hasbro always throws up in convention pannels. Theyre basically saying American kids are savages who destroy their toys and dont deserve the extra 50 cents worth of Tampo ink. Or are they saying Japanese kids dont buy toy robots, only Japanese adult collectors ? Either way, something seems lazy and cheap on Hasbro's part.
It's indeed Japanese vs. American market. Unlike Hasbro, TakaraTomy has to compete rather aggressively with big companies like Bandai. And I mean BIG: Bandai has I think the lion's share in the robot toy figure department and then some, in both the kids' and adult collector's market.
Posted by gothsaurus on January 8th, 2013 @ 2:08pm CST