In Hand Images of Legacy Shockwave and Buzzworthy Ransack

So there is a peg on the bottom! Also it looks like a nicely shrunk down version of Siege Shockwave's alt mode

Emerje wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

cloudballoon wrote:If Hasbro can add like half an inch to lower legs and add a ratcheted swivel below the knee, then fans can choose either toy or toon accurate leg modes (car in front/back),

Both toy and toon had cars in the back. It was only Combiner Wars that reversed it.

or as I like to call it, Toy Commercial Animation vs Animated Series design.

I've always wondered how the animators for the cartoon and commercial (and some of the artists of the day) screwed up so colossally as to get the legs upside down (and Drag Strip in the commercial). I know the animations were full of errors, but that's such a weird mistake to make. I wonder if nobody actually looked at the toy and drew Menasor based on description only.

Emerje

It is one of the reasons I've always said Menasor is so Fugly. The worst looking combiner in G1. In every other Gestalt, a team member represents it's own limb. Not just a casing over a hollow skeleton.

So I guess they moved away from the Energon weapon gimmick? So far the only new reveal with one was the Commander Blitzwing; not even Cybertron Metroplex has one. Which is a pity, because I actually really liked the gimmick: it was a unifying factor among different characters and styles (or potential styles, looking at you "Prime Universe" Bulkhead and Knock Out) and since it was just an accessory it was perfectly non-intrusive and optional for those who preferred a more accurate figure display.

MaximalNui wrote:So I guess they moved away from the Energon weapon gimmick? So far the only new reveal with one was the Commander Blitzwing; not even Cybertron Metroplex has one. Which is a pity, because I actually really liked the gimmick: it was a unifying factor among different characters and styles (or potential styles, looking at you "Prime Universe" Bulkhead and Knock Out) and since it was just an accessory it was perfectly non-intrusive and optional for those who preferred a more accurate figure display.

Not every Energon weapon is clear plastic. The product descriptions call out the following Wave 2 figures as having Energon weapons:
-Leader Blitzwing (the rocket hands)
-Elita-1 (clear rifles)
-Knock-Out (clear "shield" that combines with his rifle to become the spear)
-Tarantulas (painted buzzsaw)
-Jhiaxus (painted red gun)
And on top of that, the designers have referred to all Deluxe Stunticons so far as having Dark Energon blasters, even though the product descriptions have forgone mentioning them in favor of talking about Menasor.

MaximalNui wrote:So I guess they moved away from the Energon weapon gimmick? So far the only new reveal with one was the Commander Blitzwing; not even Cybertron Metroplex has one. Which is a pity, because I actually really liked the gimmick: it was a unifying factor among different characters and styles (or potential styles, looking at you "Prime Universe" Bulkhead and Knock Out) and since it was just an accessory it was perfectly non-intrusive and optional for those who preferred a more accurate figure display.

Elita-1 has Twin Energon Blasters, Knock Out has an Energon Shield, Tarantulas has an Energon buzzsaw, and Wildrider has Energon Blasters that shoot Dark Energon (same case as Drag Strip's guns).

Not all are translucent plastic, but that's what Hasbro called them upon their official reveal.

The more I’ve seen of Menasor, the more I’m excited to have him in my collection.
I can’t say I’m more excited about any 1 (or even 4) of the Stunticons than I am for Sludge, but in the grand scheme, Hastak has done a really solid job with what we’ve seen so far.

Jtprime found some new listings for a Crossover and what is likely Earthspark, so it's not out of the question that we get some Legacy year 2 listings soon

As much as I dissed Kickback, Legacy Ransack somehow looks better. Maybe it's the new head sculpt, or the blaring yellow... But am I going to buy a 4-pack just to get that one figure? Fat chance. Especially if it's more repaints that I don't like.

Emerje wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
cloudballoon wrote:
If Hasbro can add like half an inch to lower legs and add a ratcheted swivel below the knee, then fans can choose either toy or toon accurate leg modes (car in front/back),
Both toy and toon had cars in the back. It was only Combiner Wars that reversed it.


or as I like to call it, Toy Commercial Animation vs Animated Series design.

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I've always wondered how the animators for the cartoon and commercial (and some of the artists of the day) screwed up so colossally as to get the legs upside down (and Drag Strip in the commercial). I know the animations were full of errors, but that's such a weird mistake to make. I wonder if nobody actually looked at the toy and drew Menasor based on description only.

Emerje


It is one of the reasons I've always said Menasor is so Fugly. The worst looking combiner in G1. In every other Gestalt, a team member represents it's own limb. Not just a casing over a hollow skeleton.

Well if you look closely, in the cartoon, you can kind of see the bottom of the car mode (in the legs) in combined mode. That's how I thought it worked, but apparently not.

DeathReviews wrote:As much as I dissed Kickback, Legacy Ransack somehow looks better. Maybe it's the new head sculpt, or the blaring yellow... But am I going to buy a 4-pack just to get that one figure? Fat chance. Especially if it's more repaints that I don't like.

Yeah I'm not sure where Hasbros logic is. I know they want to play into the whole "multiverse" angle but having one obvious stand out character in these sets ( Previously Fangry) and now, Ransack, seems odd.

Kids won't care, and parents wanting to get a " battle in a box" won't care either, but most fans who obviously want the one one toy made with them in mind will pass,

These should have been sold as Selects. Packs of multiple characters do much better when there is a more united theme than " 4 randos from across dimensions* . When Target asked for a multipacks set they probably were thinking of some sort of unified team, or theme at least.

o.supreme wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:As much as I dissed Kickback, Legacy Ransack somehow looks better. Maybe it's the new head sculpt, or the blaring yellow... But am I going to buy a 4-pack just to get that one figure? Fat chance. Especially if it's more repaints that I don't like.

Yeah I'm not sure where Hasbros logic is. I know they want to play into the whole "multiverse" angle but having one obvious stand out character in these sets ( Previously Fangry) and now, Ransack, seems odd.

Kids won't care, and parents wanting to get a " battle in a box" won't care either, but most fans who obviously want the one one toy made with them in mind will pass,

These should have been sold as Selects. Packs of multiple characters do much better when there is a more united theme than " 4 randos from across dimensions* . When Target asked for a multipacks set they probably were thinking of some sort of unified team, or theme at least.

I have a feeling that target only cares as long as it sells, mo matter the buyer.

o.supreme wrote:When Target asked for a multipacks set they probably were thinking of some sort of unified team, or theme at least.

Well they must have been satisfied with the performance of the last pack if they asked for another one

ZeroWolf wrote:I have a feeling that target only cares as long as it sells, no matter the buyer.

I suppose. How well did it sell though? I know many people weren't able to find it because of poor distribution, whereas, at least one of my Targets had them in stock when a 25% off sale was occurring so who knows.

I'd say it sold well enough that they didn't turn the offer down for another set.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Not every Energon weapon is clear plastic. The product descriptions call out the following Wave 2 figures as having Energon weapons:
-Leader Blitzwing (the rocket hands)
-Elita-1 (clear rifles)
-Knock-Out (clear "shield" that combines with his rifle to become the spear)
-Tarantulas (painted buzzsaw)
-Jhiaxus (painted red gun)
And on top of that, the designers have referred to all Deluxe Stunticons so far as having Dark Energon blasters, even though the product descriptions have forgone mentioning them in favor of talking about Menasor.

Sabrblade wrote:Elita-1 has Twin Energon Blasters, Knock Out has an Energon Shield, Tarantulas has an Energon buzzsaw, and Wildrider has Energon Blasters that shoot Dark Energon (same case as Drag Strip's guns).

Not all are translucent plastic, but that's what Hasbro called them upon their official reveal.

Oh, so it wasn't abandoned; it's just really inconsistent.

o.supreme wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I have a feeling that target only cares as long as it sells, no matter the buyer.

I suppose. How well did it sell though? I know many people weren't able to find it because of poor distribution, whereas, at least one of my Targets had them in stock when a 25% off sale was occurring so who knows.

For Target they were very hard to find. Many stores never got them and they sold out literally instantly when they appeared online. Having them make it to clearance was certainly an anomaly. As a TRU Canada exclusive it definitely was better stocked and lingered. I watch a few Canadians on YouTube (Laura Legends and Mathew Mercy) who have done TRU walking tours where the four pack was very visible on center aisle displays. Not to mention our own Canadians taking pictures of them on display so they definitely weren't rare up there.

To me it's obvious that Hasbro is looking for one good figure for a set that will hook buyers and Ransack appears to be the figure for this set (though I'm sure Hasbro is thinking Goldbug who we haven't seen yet). I doubt Target is picking the figures for these sets and with Buzzworthy Bumblebee being an undeniable success for them they probably leave the choices up to Hasbro, I doubt they're making any sort of requests beyond "a four pack". I'm curious how the price will compare to the previous set since there isn't a Voyager in it, I don't think we've seen a computer listing yet.

Emerje

Wonder when we'll see anything about that "Energon Monster" the leaked listings talked about.

Why do I actually like Ransack? He's surprisingly attractive

Emerje wrote:For Target they were very hard to find. Many stores never got them and they sold out literally instantly when they appeared online. Having them make it to clearance was certainly an anomaly.

Agreed. I stated in my original post, that some Target stores didn't get them at all because of poor distribution, I understand that. Also I said it was on SALE at 25% off, not on Clearance. I've made the same mistake before, but I'm learning there is a difference:



Lastly, I was a bit surprised when I reached out to Scott himself, and he is going to create a discussion video around this exact topic: Why a single toy, that is highly desired by adult collectors would be in a multi-pack of less desirable toys. Of course as stated, the real world answer is most likely- "Target doesn't care as long as it sells", but it should be fun to watch when it comes out, probably within the next week or so.

I mean I'm not perfect. I purchased BOTH Titans Return Giftsets with Random characters, but I found ways to justify in my mind how to integrate certain characters into my collection that didn't really fit. However I couldn't do the same with the Buzzworthy pack from last year, nor can I do it with the upcoming one this year.

o.supreme wrote: Why a single toy, that is highly desired by adult collectors would be in a multi-pack of less desirable toys.

I thought we knew that, no? It's a selling point for the 4 pack. Also, in the cases where this more sought after toy has new parts, the selling of it along with toys that don't makes the overall budget work better.

Also, Scott needs to work on proofreading his thumbnails

It's surprising we don't have a review for Legacy core class Shockwave yet, since this toy is out in the east. But we do have more in hand pics instead. This are clearer than the previous ones and give a good look at the toy from various angles along with a comparison to this year's other core class Shockwave.

He and his wavemates should appear shortly in the west.

Colour breakup could be better but he looks fun! But then I love me some Shockwaves so I'm biased

No comparison to TR version, which he got a closer transformation scheme and G1 homage design?

Haha - Shockwave's back and he brought PIZZA

I do actually quite the look of that Shockwave

william-james88 wrote:Also, Scott needs to work on proofreading his thumbnails

For sure, especially if he is charging $150.00 an hour as a consultant.

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Also, Scott needs to work on proofreading his thumbnails

For sure, especially if he is charging $150.00 an hour as a consultant.

Hahahahaha

So...I just watched a legit review of Legacy Blitzwing from emgo. Those Hulk hands just make no sense. I mean, it's not something the character ever had. If they wanted to stick with the Energon weapon theme, they could have made the guns out of translucent plastic. I know the figure itself it pretty solid with few gaps, but if they had extra budget for tooling, it could have been better spent elsewhere.

o.supreme wrote:So...I just watched a legit review of Legacy Blitzwing from emgo. Those Hulk hands just make no sense. I mean, it's not something the character ever had. If they wanted to stick with the Energon weapon theme, they could have made the guns out of translucent plastic. I know the figure itself it pretty solid with few gaps, but if they had extra budget for tooling, it could have been better spent elsewhere.

I completely agree.

Tank mode was pretty gappy from top down and the weird white decepticon symbols that are broken up by too much panelling are a bit off putting on his legs. Happily sticking to Takara Legends Blitwing. Seems like something that the RED version or Ultimates version is going to outclass.

also beyond me why they tried to keep the semi car6toon accurate ram bar/cockpit when they went and coverered up the tank treads for zero accuracy.

o.supreme wrote:So...I just watched a legit review of Legacy Blitzwing from emgo. Those Hulk hands just make no sense. I mean, it's not something the character ever had. If they wanted to stick with the Energon weapon theme, they could have made the guns out of translucent plastic. I know the figure itself it pretty solid with few gaps, but if they had extra budget for tooling, it could have been better spent elsewhere.

I guess somebody at Hasbro was operating under "Rule of Cool" when they thought of it.

Sometimes "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if...?" is all it takes for companies to run with the weirdest ideas that make no sense to us consumers while said companies think they're neat and innovative.

It's probably the same line of thinking that gave us Wheeljack, of all Autobots, as a sword-swinging, rule-breaking, lone-wolf Wrecker in TF: Prime.

Oh! The radar dish is a gun! It always looked to me like he was just holding the disk in some weird clawed hand...

Blitzing has issues... and questionable decisions all around.

Those "Energon" hands are totally out of left field. Unless they are entirely mean for someone else.

Otherwise, its like let's take budget away from the main figure for these useless hands....

He does have some clever bits though, and the tank mode looks pretty good, so there's that.

I’m still excited for Blitzwing.
He’s right up there towards the top of my most wanted list.
The bot mode is really well done, & is enough for me. The jet mode is obvsly a letdown, but I’m good with the tank.

The energon hands are seriously a bad joke.
I don’t love blast effects, but a couple of those even would’ve been better.
It probably wouldn’t work for deluxe releases because of budget limitations, but for a leader, why not build on the included weapons (or at least 1-2)…
The energon-infused weapon could’ve been a similarly shaped sword, but much larger, with a transparent blade.
A similarly shaped blaster, again much larger, with a semi-transparent barrel.
And any leftover budget, again, throw in a couple blast effects;
While intended to show the upped power of the energon weapons, of course they could be used with the regular weapons, the alt modes, & almost any other figure.

These hands are supposed to be an extra play feature/gimmick, yet they just suck.
I won’t use them at all; not for any of Blitzy’s modes, & not with any other figure…
They really are a complete waste.

Ironically the hands are my favourite part of this though their inclusion is a head scratcher.

Incidentally, do we know of all the leader class figures for Legacy now?

Power fists are always cool and when I heard we were having them I was kinda stoked. The problem is that, even disregarding the rest of the figure's issues, they aren't very good. Vehicle storage kinda sucks, they're completely inarticulate aside from the wrists (a crime as big poseable hands are like peak fun as far as toys go) and they're not even fists! If Blitzwing punched an Autobot with those, he'd end up with broken fingers!

Evil Eye wrote:Power fists are always cool and when I heard we were having them I was kinda stoked. The problem is that, even disregarding the rest of the figure's issues, they aren't very good. Vehicle storage kinda sucks, they're completely inarticulate aside from the wrists (a crime as big poseable hands are like peak fun as far as toys go) and they're not even fists! If Blitzwing punched an Autobot with those, he'd end up with broken fingers!

Good points…
Power fists probably could be cool if done right.
But what are these, “chop hands”??

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Evil Eye wrote:Power fists are always cool and when I heard we were having them I was kinda stoked. The problem is that, even disregarding the rest of the figure's issues, they aren't very good. Vehicle storage kinda sucks, they're completely inarticulate aside from the wrists (a crime as big poseable hands are like peak fun as far as toys go) and they're not even fists! If Blitzwing punched an Autobot with those, he'd end up with broken fingers!

Good points…
Power fists probably could be cool if done right.
But what are these, “chop hands”??

Finger cannons, I guess.

Which, admittedly, does sound cool on paper. But still odd for Blitzwing.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I’m still excited for Blitzwing.
He’s right up there towards the top of my most wanted list.
The bot mode is really well done, & is enough for me.

Same here, as someone who primarily buys them for the "bot" look anyway this version suits my needs.

That said maybe I could have saved a few Dollars on a R.E.D. version but IMO those do look cheap and I still want a "Transformer" not an "action figure" of said characters because I do occasionally enjoy transforming them.

It is unfortunate about the alt modes looking the way they do but I've come to accept this from the modern iterations, after all even the classic toys looked this way after a couple years of use/play.

ZeroWolf wrote:Ironically the hands are my favourite part of this though their inclusion is a head scratcher.

Incidentally, do we know of all the leader class figures for Legacy now?

Yes, but not all have been revealed. Still missing TM2 Megatron.

Wow I am behind on this chat! My computer has been acting up lately. Anyways, I'm loving legacy so far, just picked up a Blaster (too lazy to put it in the toy hauls thread) Great figure, and Menosaur looks awesome. Motormaster seems like he has some nice engineering, it's perfect. Just wish that Menosaur had a blackjack, no matter how "inaccurate" it is. Maybe there will be a upgrade kit for that. Doesn't matter though, I will never have Menasor, I don't have the space or money, and other figures were chosen over him

Wow I am behind on this chat! My computer has been acting up lately. Anyways, I'm loving legacy so far, just picked up a Blaster (too lazy to put it in the toy hauls thread) Great figure, and Menosaur looks awesome. Motormaster seems like he has some nice engineering, it's perfect. Just wish that Menosaur had a blackjack, no matter how "inaccurate" it is. Maybe there will be a upgrade kit for that. Doesn't matter though, I will never have Menasor, I don't have the space or money, and other figures were chosen over him

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Ironically the hands are my favourite part of this though their inclusion is a head scratcher.

Incidentally, do we know of all the leader class figures for Legacy now?

Yes, but not all have been revealed. Still missing TM2 Megatron.

Ah yes, completely forgot about him

Shockwave looks neat. Since my CW one will remain Bruticus' gun, this one will do to go with the other tiny trouble makers

I'm really surprised at how blue Shockwave is... And not a fan.
The SS figure has the color I would've preferred seeing for this Legacy version.
And so much greebling...
I'm now on the fence about this figure, and leaning towards passing.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'm really surprised at how blue Shockwave is... And not a fan.
The SS figure has the color I would've preferred seeing for this Legacy version.
And so much greebling...
I'm now on the fence about this figure, and leaning towards passing.

Purple never photographs well, I'd wait to see it in hand before jumping to any conclusions.

o.supreme wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:As much as I dissed Kickback, Legacy Ransack somehow looks better. Maybe it's the new head sculpt, or the blaring yellow... But am I going to buy a 4-pack just to get that one figure? Fat chance. Especially if it's more repaints that I don't like.

Yeah I'm not sure where Hasbros logic is. I know they want to play into the whole "multiverse" angle but having one obvious stand out character in these sets ( Previously Fangry) and now, Ransack, seems odd.

Kids won't care, and parents wanting to get a " battle in a box" won't care either, but most fans who obviously want the one one toy made with them in mind will pass,

These should have been sold as Selects. Packs of multiple characters do much better when there is a more united theme than " 4 randos from across dimensions* . When Target asked for a multipacks set they probably were thinking of some sort of unified team, or theme at least.

Scott "answered" your question on this, but I don't feel he went into depth enough. It was a very bland blanket, "they don't care about you, let's just move product" answer. I would at least expect part of the reason to be that Hasbro knowingly puts a character that will make the boxset more attractive to get that 30% extra in sales from collectors, as opposed to just ignoring a set if the one that was most coveted could be bought online as an exclusve. Or that the rest of boxset helps offset the cost of the new tooling.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:As much as I dissed Kickback, Legacy Ransack somehow looks better. Maybe it's the new head sculpt, or the blaring yellow... But am I going to buy a 4-pack just to get that one figure? Fat chance. Especially if it's more repaints that I don't like.

Yeah I'm not sure where Hasbros logic is. I know they want to play into the whole "multiverse" angle but having one obvious stand out character in these sets ( Previously Fangry) and now, Ransack, seems odd.

Kids won't care, and parents wanting to get a " battle in a box" won't care either, but most fans who obviously want the one one toy made with them in mind will pass,

These should have been sold as Selects. Packs of multiple characters do much better when there is a more united theme than " 4 randos from across dimensions* . When Target asked for a multipacks set they probably were thinking of some sort of unified team, or theme at least.

Scott "answered" your question on this, but I don't feel he went into depth enough. It was a very bland blanket, "they don't care about you, let's just move product" answer. I would at least expect part of the reason to be that Hasbro knowingly puts a character that will make the boxset more attractive to get that 30% extra in sales from collectors, as opposed to just ignoring a set if the one that was most coveted could be bought online as an exclusve. Or that the rest of boxset helps offset the cost of the new tooling.

Perhaps there's an article to be made here, assuming you never made one when the last set came out

william-james88 wrote:Scott "answered" your question on this, but I don't feel he went into depth enough. It was a very bland blanket, "they don't care about you, let's just move product" answer. I would at least expect part of the reason to be that Hasbro knowingly puts a character that will make the boxset more attractive to get that 30% extra in sales from collectors, as opposed to just ignoring a set if the one that was most coveted could be bought online as an exclusve. Or that the rest of boxset helps offset the cost of the new tooling.

Yeah, I agree. I addressed that in the Youtube comments. Scott knows his stuff about some parts of the toy industry, but I underestimated his lack of knowledge about the Transformers brand in general. I wanted to chat with him a bit about it before he published the video, but wasn't going to pay $150 an hour for his time..yeesh... I've reached out other Youtubers that treat you as friends and enjoy video chatting on occasion, rather than clients. Still, there were a couple humorous bits. Who knew fan art of Fangry flipping the bird existed? I wonder if that was in response to the Buzzworthy pack from last year? .

Sowndwave76 wrote:I’m still excited for Blitzwing.
He’s right up there towards the top of my most wanted list.
The bot mode is really well done, & is enough for me. The jet mode is obvsly a letdown, but I’m good with the tank.

So am I. No amount of 'he has issues' matter to me until I have in hand, at which point the rubber either hits the road or it doesn't. If it doesn't the robot mode is solid, which is how I display my figures.