Images of Upcoming Masterpiece Toys at Tokyo Toy Show Give us an Idea of their Size

Wow, Shouki is rather beefy compared to the other trains.

Emerje

Motormaster went from a no to a run away!!!!! He just looks so bad. Like they took a step backwards from the last one.

i was out on galvatron. now i am warming up to it. what is happening?

from these images, looking at mp jetfire compared to the nearby menasor, it looks like jetfire is only slightly bigger then the siege jetfire.

Immortal Starscream wrote:from these images, looking at mp jetfire compared to the nearby menasor, it looks like jetfire is only slightly bigger then the siege jetfire.

It's a bigger difference that you'd think just looking at them. Here's a comparison shot between Siege Jetfire and FT-10 Phoenix which TFSource tells me is 13.8", only .4" taller than MP Skyfire assuming TT is measuring to the top of his head.



Another comparison, here's MP Skyfire next to some MPs from Takara Tomy Mall, notice Optimus just barely clears his waist.



And then another shot of Siege Jetfire with some of the same MP molds, Optimus is about half way up his chest (I'm pretty sure both MP Primes are the same height).



Skyfire should tower over Siege Jetfire and any non-Titan combiner.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Wow, Shouki is rather beefy compared to the other trains.

Emerje

Fittingly so, as he forms the upper torso.

Emerje wrote:The email I just got from Amazon suggesting preschool toys gave me a good laugh.
Emerje

Well that's not as bad as the time I was on Walmart's site looking through the toy section and a few "adult" items slipped through their filter.

It's insane at how expensive Masterpiece has gotten just in the last few years, I was almost ready to get into that line but then they started coming out with a 35% price increase and that was just to rich for my blood.

Personally, I don't see anything that merits me veering away from MP Beast Wars (whenever that starts up again). At this point, I don't even really think an MP Galvatron would be worth the extra pricing I'm sure he would receive at this point.
That said, I've preordered Skyfire and Raiden for the OH. Favourite characters and all that.

Beyond that, value for money is becoming a talking point for the MP line. As I'm starting to think it isn't there anymore.

Well, if the only goal is to have relatively screen accurate transformers that transform, the Studio Series and current Generations lines do the job aplenty for the prices.

My understanding of Masterpiece is that these are the best interpretation of these characters there will ever be. Aesthetically, physically etc

Looking across at my shelf, I don't expect to ever see a better looking version of Beast Megs or Primal/Burning Convoy. But then I see BB 2.0 or Blackarachnia and I'm starting to think maybe Takara doesn't feel the same way about what is expected of an MP figure as I do.

Emerje wrote:

Immortal Starscream wrote:from these images, looking at mp jetfire compared to the nearby menasor, it looks like jetfire is only slightly bigger then the siege jetfire.

It's a bigger difference that you'd think just looking at them. Here's a comparison shot between Siege Jetfire and FT-10 Phoenix which TFSource tells me is 13.8", only .4" taller than MP Skyfire assuming TT is measuring to the top of his head.

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Another comparison, here's MP Skyfire next to some MPs from Takara Tomy Mall, notice Optimus just barely clears his waist.

Skyfire with MPs.JPG

And then another shot of Siege Jetfire with some of the same MP molds, Optimus is about half way up his chest (I'm pretty sure both MP Primes are the same height).

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Skyfire should tower over Siege Jetfire and any non-Titan combiner.

Emerje

I doubt the difference is quite that extreme. MP Skyfire's jet cockpit lines up with MP Prime's head, while Siege Jetfire's cockpit lines up with MP Prime's chest. Coupled with MP Skyfire's proportionally squatter torso, the MP is probably only a head, maybe a head and a half taller than Siege. Hardly towering, and definitely shorter than FT-10 Phoenix.

Tuned Agent wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Immortal Starscream wrote:from these images, looking at mp jetfire compared to the nearby menasor, it looks like jetfire is only slightly bigger then the siege jetfire.

It's a bigger difference that you'd think just looking at them. Here's a comparison shot between Siege Jetfire and FT-10 Phoenix which TFSource tells me is 13.8", only .4" taller than MP Skyfire assuming TT is measuring to the top of his head.

m1j8mav62b831.jpg

Another comparison, here's MP Skyfire next to some MPs from Takara Tomy Mall, notice Optimus just barely clears his waist.

Skyfire with MPs.JPG

And then another shot of Siege Jetfire with some of the same MP molds, Optimus is about half way up his chest (I'm pretty sure both MP Primes are the same height).

2tgDIOO.jpeg

Skyfire should tower over Siege Jetfire and any non-Titan combiner.

Emerje

I doubt the difference is quite that extreme. MP Skyfire's jet cockpit lines up with MP Prime's head, while Siege Jetfire's cockpit lines up with MP Prime's chest. Coupled with MP Skyfire's proportionally squatter torso, the MP is probably only a head, maybe a head and a half taller than Siege. Hardly towering, and definitely shorter than FT-10 Phoenix.

I'm sure Takara wont be able to resist doing a comparison of the two eventually. Just going off measurements Siege Jetfire is 11", MP Skyfire is 13.4" and Phoenix is 13.8".

Emerje

Japanese toy reviewer Wotafa has a review up for mp Jetfire already. It sounds like he said it was a review sample, but it is in Japanese so don't know for sure.

Skyfire looks incredible. Transformation appears to be intuitive with some really unique and interesting bits.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Clicking on the thread for a potential Beast Wars announcement..

There is one, Black Lio Convoy. Which is based on the original toy rather than being toon accurate.

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Clicking on the thread for a potential Beast Wars announcement..

There is one, Black Lio Convoy. Which is based on the original toy rather than being toon accurate.

Ah, I see. Not surprised. MP Primal got two redecos. So it stands to reason the other "Prime" would too.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Clicking on the thread for a potential Beast Wars announcement..

There is one, Black Lio Convoy. Which is based on the original toy rather than being toon accurate.

Ah, I see. Not surprised. MP Primal got two redecos. So it stands to reason the other "Prime" would too.

There ya go, you were just an hour early. Should ask you for lotto numbers

I should have specified Mainframe Beast Wars. As I care less for the Takara series than Beast Machines. But at least it isn't another MP Autobot/Decepticon redux.

I find it impressive that Takara was able to integrate space fillers into Skyfire, something Bandai hasn't been able to do on the DX VF-1 line.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I find it impressive that Takara was able to integrate space fillers into Skyfire, something Bandai hasn't been able to do on the DX VF-1 line.

For the price point. There should be no visible hollow spaces in any MP figure. Personally I think it a failing in design if there are.

Masterpiece Rhinox coming soon!?

TFW2005 wrote:We are now getting various reports on Twitter that a Masterpiece Rhinox has been announced by Takara at Tokyo Toy Show 2023!

Although no photos were allowed, his signature Chainguns of Doom were apparently shown as a teaser.

Stay tuned for updates!

And I know the perfect accessory for him that nobody in their right mind would include:

Wild Bean Vines

I've started a new Rhinox topic.

Emerje

Completely out of nowhere Takara Tomy has revealed two new figures for the Transformers Masterpiece line. MP-44S Optimus Prime is, in fact, being sold as Optimus Prime rather than Convoy for the first time in Japan. According to Takara Tomy the name change comes in honor of the live action movie series, basically catching up with the name changes that have taken place elsewhere in the franchise for over a decade now. The new release is based on the "Ver. 3" figure minus the electronics, trailer and a lot of the accessories. The figure has how been given a '84 toy deco and even a sticker sheet to finish the look. The accessories that did get carried over from the original release are his Ion Blaster, Energon Axe, blast effect, Matrix of Leadership and the "round" head. Priced at 33,000 JPY in Japan and showing up as a pre-order for February at most Japanese online stores for a February 2024 release.

Then we've got MP-56+ Riggorus, a new Decepticon character based on a Diaclone design we haven't seen used in Transformers before. Thanks to Seibertronian Sabrblade for pointing out that this figure combines the body of Hoist with the truck cap of Trailbreaker and a new head in a mustard yellow deco. For accessories he includes two shoulder mounted guns, double barreled hand replacement guns (these guns may be interchangeable though not shown in pictures), force shield effect part and a sticker that isn't described but is likely a Decepticon symbol since one isn't seen in the pictures. He has a Japanese retail price of 24,200 JPY and expected to be out in March 2024.

As always prices will vary greatly depending on where you order, though Amazon Japan (and Deep Discount when Hasbro pre-orders open) will likely be your best bet.

Emerje wrote:Then we've got MP-56+ Rigorous,

"Riggorus". And is a Decepticon.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Then we've got MP-56+ Rigorous,

"Riggorus". And is a Decepticon.

Weird. In my defence Takara Tomy Mall doesn't use that image or mention a faction on the site. AmiAmi is going with Rigorous while HLJ was calling it Rigoras but that seemed to be a direct translation from Japanese (they've since changed it to Riggorus on the product page, not the front page). Hobby Search calls it both Rigoras and Rigolas. Needless to say I went with the most obvious one. Guess I'll fix it.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Then we've got MP-56+ Rigorous,

"Riggorus". And is a Decepticon.

Weird. In my defence Takara Tomy Mall doesn't use that image or mention a faction on the site. AmiAmi is going with Rigorous while HLJ was calling it Rigoras but that seemed to be a direct translation from Japanese (they've since changed it to Riggorus on the product page, not the front page). Hobby Search calls it both Rigoras and Rigolas. Needless to say I went with the most obvious one. Guess I'll fix it.

Emerje

I did too, at first. But then TakaraTomy posted that pic on their website, so I rolled with it.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Then we've got MP-56+ Rigorous,

"Riggorus". And is a Decepticon.

Weird. In my defence Takara Tomy Mall doesn't use that image or mention a faction on the site. AmiAmi is going with Rigorous while HLJ was calling it Rigoras but that seemed to be a direct translation from Japanese (they've since changed it to Riggorus on the product page, not the front page). Hobby Search calls it both Rigoras and Rigolas. Needless to say I went with the most obvious one. Guess I'll fix it.

Emerje

I did too, at first. But then TakaraTomy posted that pic on their website, so I rolled with it.

I saw that post (even referenced it in the news), yet somehow managed to gloss over the text above the image and clearly wasn't paying close attention to the image itself.

Is it weird to anyone else that Optimus has Action Master orange eyes while the alternative head has the proper yellow ones?

Emerje

On a different note, one could think of this MP Optimus as a Masterpiece toy of the Marvel version of the character.

Sabrblade wrote:On a different note, one could think of this MP Optimus as a Masterpiece toy of the Marvel version of the character.

Aside from the eye color I think the original is much closer to the comic than this one.




MP-44 with red sides on the bot and yellow eyes would be ideal.

Emerje

I'm probably just letting my bias show but I really dig how OP looks in his toy colours. Just feels more visually impactful to me.

Besides Loudpedal and now Riggorus ( ), have there been any other Diaclone based Decepticons? It seems they've almost exclusively been Autobots until now.

Bounti76 wrote:Besides Loudpedal and now Riggorus ( ), have there been any other Diaclone based Decepticons? It seems they've almost exclusively been Autobots until now.

There's Exhaust as well, I believe!

So basically, MP44S Optimus Prime is a repaint of MP49 Black Convoy.
That's what I can call going full circle!

Still expensive as balls though.

I have MP49 so I'm good. But for those who want just the Optimus without paying double the price because of the fluff, and want the OFFICIAL one, MP44S is a great opportunity.

I was so excited until I saw the yellow/orange eyes. Now I'm like, I'll wait till they release one with blue eyes.

Maybe I'm just looking for any excuse to not buy it. I really like MP44, I just don't need (or want to pay for) all those accessories.

The other one (whatever we shall name him) looks pretty great actually, but I tend to only spend MP money on well known characters from my childhood, so I probably will not buy.

Apparently MP44S Optimus Prime will have no trailer and the sound effects no longer function. So basically, just like MP-49, are they finally going to release this mould for an Honest price?

SpaceEagle wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:Besides Loudpedal and now Riggorus ( ), have there been any other Diaclone based Decepticons? It seems they've almost exclusively been Autobots until now.

There's Exhaust as well, I believe!

With Car Robot we only have Loudpedal, Exhaust and now Riggorus (trademark-friendly version of "rigorous" I suppose). Let's see the complete list, the ones with "TF" are decos created for Transformers, and not counting later decos:

1. Countach LP500S
Red: Spin-Out
TF Yellow: Sunstreaker
2. Onebox Cherry Vanette
Black: DK-2 Guard
TF Red: Ironhide
3. Countach LP500S Patrol Car Type
White: Cordon
4. Onebox Ambulance Type
White: Ratchet
5. 4WD Hi-Lux
Black: Trailbreaker
Blue: DK-3 Breaker
Yellow: Riggorus
6. Honda City R
Silver: Crosscut
Red: Reboost
7. Fairlady Z
Silver: Bluestreak
Blue: Silverstreak (since Buzzworthy Bumblebee)
TF all Silver: Bluestreak
8. 4WD Wrecker Type
Red: Lift-Ticket
Blue: N/A
TF Green: Hoist
9. Honda City Turbo
Blue: Skids
Black: Burn Out
Red: N/A
10. Fire Engine
Red: Inferno
11. Fairlady Z Racing Type
Red: Smokescreen
12. J59 Jeep
Green: Hound
13. Police Car Fairlady Z
White: Prowl
14. Porsche 935 Turbo
White: Jazz
15. New Countach LP500S
Red: Sideswipe
Yellow: Tigertrack
Black: Deep Cover
16. F-1 Ligier JS-11
Blue: Mirage
Red: N/A
17. Battle Convoy
Red: Optimus Prime
18. Lancia Stratos Turbo
Green: Wheeljack
Red: Exhaust
19. New Countach Police Car
White: Clampdown
TF White: Red Alert
20. Truck Crane
Yellow: Grapple
21. Corvette Stringray
Red: Road Rage
TF Blue: Tracks

So we're still missing a blue Hoist, a red Skids that isn't Reboost, and a red Mirage AFAIK. 3 more chances for Decepticons Regarding Loudpedal, that one isn't a Diaclone deco per se, but rather is based on one released only in Finland.

Def prefer Terraegis rally looks wise over Riggorus but at least Takaras shouldnt have flaws. I'm still wanting MP trailbreaker and hoist so going third party on one out of the three aint bad (if they do the purple version then it might be a buy).

I use a KO MP tigertracks with some saw hand weapons from Igear PP05 Ironhide as Buzzsaw just to have another decepticon car bot.

Really liking optimus, it might be different enough from MP10 for me to consider getting it

Syclone wrote:I was so excited until I saw the yellow/orange eyes. Now I'm like, I'll wait till they release one with blue eyes.

To be fair it is striving for toy accuracy, hence the lack of blue eyes. Probably wouldn't be too hard to paint them if so desired...

Maybe that helps with accepting the package but I'm also not a Hasbro/Takara salesperson so I don't want you to spend your money willy-nilly, heh.

The yellow eyes are the whole point of this release.

I've always preferred the yellow eyed look for OP (Same goes for Soundwave), but again that's probably just my toy-accurate bias speaking.

SpaceEagle wrote:I've always preferred the yellow eyed look for OP (Same goes for Soundwave), but again that's probably just my toy-accurate bias speaking.

It's also Marvel-accurate.

I guess for those of us who couldn't afford the original MP44 release, this is a much more affordable opportunity, especially if you don't care about the trailer (that's what the previous MP Prime/Convoys were for!)

SpaceEagle wrote:

Syclone wrote:I was so excited until I saw the yellow/orange eyes. Now I'm like, I'll wait till they release one with blue eyes.

To be fair it is striving for toy accuracy, hence the lack of blue eyes. Probably wouldn't be too hard to paint them if so desired...

Maybe that helps with accepting the package but I'm also not a Hasbro/Takara salesperson so I don't want you to spend your money willy-nilly, heh.

Oh absolutely. And it pulls it off great. It's just not the very specific thing I want haha. (Which is just regular MP44 without the trailer.)

Syclone wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

Syclone wrote:I was so excited until I saw the yellow/orange eyes. Now I'm like, I'll wait till they release one with blue eyes.

To be fair it is striving for toy accuracy, hence the lack of blue eyes. Probably wouldn't be too hard to paint them if so desired...

Maybe that helps with accepting the package but I'm also not a Hasbro/Takara salesperson so I don't want you to spend your money willy-nilly, heh.

Oh absolutely. And it pulls it off great. It's just not the very specific thing I want haha. (Which is just regular MP44 without the trailer.)

Heh, they're probably going to wait a while just so people still have to buy the full package if they want this figure.
Sneaky business...

The toy accurate colors look pretty good on Optimus!


Day 1286 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

I am very excited for both of these releases.

Prime REALLY needed a new toy accurate head, but he still looks good. I love the yellow eye look, and outside of Selects Star Convoy I haven't had that change yet. I appreciate the toy style stickers, but I really wish those were tampos. Otherwise, I love him.

Riggorus also looks super cool. Unique mix of parts, and it's a figure that, like Reboost, doesn't have a generations toy yet, so he will be good for me. Plus, I like the mold a lot, so I can enjoy it. Plus, that forcefield piece will be nice to give to Trailbreaker.

Toy-color Prime looks better than the regular release, hot take.

Quantum Surge wrote:Toy-color Prime looks better than the regular release, hot take.

Not a hot take if you are objectively correct