Images of Transformers Combiner Wars Wheeljack, Smockescreen, Trailbreaker and Hound at SDCC

They look nice, will probably only get hound if I like the swindle mold. I anticipate that I will, and hound does pull the mold off well; I'd go so far as to say that this is what a 'classics' re-imagining of hound should look like - i.e. one that isn't slavishly g1 accurate - I actually like the look of him better than any g1 styled version of him.

Hellscream9999 wrote:They look nice, will probably only get hound if I like the swindle mold. I anticipate that I will, and hound does pull the mold off well; I'd go so far as to say that this is what a 'classics' re-imagining of hound should look like - i.e. one that isn't slavishly g1 accurate - I actually like the look of him better than any g1 styled version of him.

Better than this?

Smokescreen is sick!

I'm kinda bummed with that 'Jack. I'll take my MP-20, thanks. (Yeah, I know that's kind of a mean comparison ) Though, that smokescreen tempts me...
(This is my first post here, even though I've been silently watching from afar for a long time now )
~~BW

mooncake623 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:They look nice, will probably only get hound if I like the swindle mold. I anticipate that I will, and hound does pull the mold off well; I'd go so far as to say that this is what a 'classics' re-imagining of hound should look like - i.e. one that isn't slavishly g1 accurate - I actually like the look of him better than any g1 styled version of him.

Better than this?

I mean it's nice and all, what with the bland face and what not, I was 1000% more interested with the ravage figure he came with

I dunno, I don't like most of the G1 autobots, they were bland, or recolors, or bland recolors of bland characters with bland figures. Just the same design (hood chest, trunk for feet, etc.) pounded out over and over again. Say what you will, but at least beast wars had interesting designs that really stood out once it hit it's stride.

Hellscream9999 wrote:I mean it's nice and all, what with the bland face and what not, I was 1000% more interested with the ravage figure he came with

I dunno, I don't like most of the G1 autobots, they were bland, or recolors, or bland recolors of bland characters with bland figures. Just the same design (hood chest, trunk for feet, etc.) pounded out over and over again. Say what you will, but at least beast wars had interesting designs that really stood out once it hit it's stride.

Lol
so buy beast war figures!! I hope they unveil some new ones... cause you know beast wars 20th anniversary is around the corner.. so you know Beast Wars Dinobot please!!!

Bronzewolf wrote:I'm kinda bummed with that 'Jack. I'll take my MP-20, thanks. (Yeah, I know that's kind of a mean comparison ) Though, that smokescreen tempts me...
(This is my first post here, even though I've been silently watching from afar for a long time now )
~~BW

Welcome Bronzewolf! Glad you're finally joining us!

mooncake623 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I mean it's nice and all, what with the bland face and what not, I was 1000% more interested with the ravage figure he came with

I dunno, I don't like most of the G1 autobots, they were bland, or recolors, or bland recolors of bland characters with bland figures. Just the same design (hood chest, trunk for feet, etc.) pounded out over and over again. Say what you will, but at least beast wars had interesting designs that really stood out once it hit it's stride.

Lol
so buy beast war figures!! I hope they unveil some new ones... cause you know beast wars 20th anniversary is around the corner.. so you know Beast Wars Dinobot please!!!

Well that's why I never bought most of the classics/universe stuff

Dinobot would be pretty hard to get super screen accurate, he was pretty massive in bot mode and the beast mode was really lithe. It could be possible if they re-engineered the bw figure.

I truly hope there are people out there that like these new Autobot figures more than the Classics, Universe, Generations, & RtS versions. Especially if they missed out before.

I'm not going to say these CW updates suck.
If you like them, cool.

But my personal opinion is that these are not as good as what's been offered before.
I'm not interested in talking about how short these fall from previous releases.
The headsculpts are spot-on... Imo really impressive.
But because they've been made with the ability to combine, other things were sacrificed.

Please believe this isn't me mindlessly defending my collection...
I just know it's a far stretch to say that this new Smokescreen is better than the Henkei "Classics" version.
Or even the Hound figures that have been compared already.

People can call the older versions bland...
I call them legitimately sound, updated G1 representations.

mooncake623 wrote:

Bronzewolf wrote:I'm kinda bummed with that 'Jack. I'll take my MP-20, thanks. (Yeah, I know that's kind of a mean comparison ) Though, that smokescreen tempts me...
(This is my first post here, even though I've been silently watching from afar for a long time now )
~~BW

Welcome Bronzewolf! Glad you're finally joining us!

Thanks, mooncake! Glad to finally be here.

Yeah, honestly? I agree about Hound. A non-g1 Hound spikes my interest. I'll skip Wheeljack and Trailbreaker. Unnecessary remolds/combiner limbs. And Primus knows I won't have enough of those by the time Bruticus and Victorion come out.

I'm not sure if it's just the lighting, but I really don't like that Smokescreen.
Wheeljack is probably the best of the bunch with his retooling, just needs a little black paint on those fake chest windows. Hound is a close second, but I'm not sure he'll replace my Generations version.

I think it's awesome that 10 year olds who don't even know "Classics" exists, get to have really cool looking and fun versions of these classic characters.
I'm happy to have multiple versions of these classic characters. Especially if they combine.

Combiner Wars Wheeljack and Hound look amazing. They're not superior to their previous Classics releases, but they look damn good for retools/repaints. It's nice that Trailbreaker gets his gun hand, but it should have been on his left hand, not his right. Smokescreen looks a little off to me. I think Prowl with his color layout pulls off that mold a lot better. Still, I agree with Cobotron, these are great entry level G1 offerings for young kids graduating from the likes of Rescue Bots and Robots in Disguise 2015. I'm thinking X-mas presents for my nephew with some of these.

I like em all. Not fired up about Sky Lynx though.

So thinking about these four ark bots, got me to thinking about who's left.
Now I'm just shootin' the moon here, but I would love to see...

Voyager Blaster as torso, with his street smart, break dancing, city bot team of - Bluestreak, Hoist, Sideswipe, and Jazz.

I think the old Prowl mould could stand replacing (so that's Prowl, Bluestreak, and Smokescreen). On it's own it wasn't bad, but the paint on all the figures was terrible and just ruined it. I'm pretty happy with what I already have, though.

Well, especially since I don't have the Classics fig, I think I'll be getting Smokey. I'll pobably get Prowl then too, since mine's losing his paint. I want to like Hound, but I will probably forever have Hound running around with Cloud Crosshairs (Sorry, Roadbuster) IDW Drift, AOE Rollbvar (getting the pattern now>?) and I just don't feel the CW asthetic works with those figs. Swindle's a definite. I also want to like Trailbreaker and Gun hand (have we cinfirmed it's CWFist compatible liek Rook?) but I don't like the hood on the Offroad Mold and I;m already putting up with it for Ironhide, so... Wheeljack's vehicle mode is Awesome, and I'd love to phase out his Genration mold, only because I have EVCERY OTHER character produced from it, but I don't think I will end up doing so, so Smokey will be alone... and not combined anyway.

Cobotron wrote:So thinking about these four ark bots, got me to thinking about who's left.
Now I'm just shootin' the moon here, but I would love to see...

Voyager Blaster as torso, with his street smart, break dancing, city bot team of - Bluestreak, Hoist, Sideswipe, and Jazz.

Rumor mill has Blaster being a headmaster.

Hellscream9999 wrote:I mean it's nice and all, what with the bland face and what not, I was 1000% more interested with the ravage figure he came with

I dunno, I don't like most of the G1 autobots, they were bland, or recolors, or bland recolors of bland characters with bland figures. Just the same design (hood chest, trunk for feet, etc.) pounded out over and over again. Say what you will, but at least beast wars had interesting designs that really stood out once it hit it's stride.

While I agree to an extent, I will say that the Marvel Comics (especially the UK ones) were vastly superior to the Sunbow cartoon. Those comics made great characters out of these guys, especially (of all bots) Ratchet!

Hellscream9999 wrote:Dinobot would be pretty hard to get super screen accurate, he was pretty massive in bot mode and the beast mode was really lithe. It could be possible if they re-engineered the bw figure.

Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot is a thing of show-accurate beauty!

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I mean it's nice and all, what with the bland face and what not, I was 1000% more interested with the ravage figure he came with

I dunno, I don't like most of the G1 autobots, they were bland, or recolors, or bland recolors of bland characters with bland figures. Just the same design (hood chest, trunk for feet, etc.) pounded out over and over again. Say what you will, but at least beast wars had interesting designs that really stood out once it hit it's stride.

While I agree to an extent, I will say that the Marvel Comics (especially the UK ones) were vastly superior to the Sunbow cartoon. Those comics made great characters out of these guys, especially (of all bots) Ratchet!

Blasphemy!

Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess. The cartoon has its faults but I think I'm not the only one to say that the Movie was the pinnacle of G1 storytelling

oh and yeah, that Smokescreen is as good as bought. I dont have him yet

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I mean it's nice and all, what with the bland face and what not, I was 1000% more interested with the ravage figure he came with

I dunno, I don't like most of the G1 autobots, they were bland, or recolors, or bland recolors of bland characters with bland figures. Just the same design (hood chest, trunk for feet, etc.) pounded out over and over again. Say what you will, but at least beast wars had interesting designs that really stood out once it hit it's stride.

While I agree to an extent, I will say that the Marvel Comics (especially the UK ones) were vastly superior to the Sunbow cartoon. Those comics made great characters out of these guys, especially (of all bots) Ratchet!

Hellscream9999 wrote:Dinobot would be pretty hard to get super screen accurate, he was pretty massive in bot mode and the beast mode was really lithe. It could be possible if they re-engineered the bw figure.

Henkei! Henkei! Dinobot is a thing of show-accurate beauty!

Alright, that's fair. I've never read them, just a synopsis of each comic awhile ago. But for being repaint city, the molds weren't terribly interesting.

While that does look nice, I still think the bw version would work better if it were re-engineered, that classics one has some scrawny limbs, the exact opposite of what characterized dinobots silhouette (he was massive)

Edited my post with much cooler pics.

Optimizzy wrote:Blasphemy!

Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess.

#becauseSimonFurman

Sabrblade wrote:Edited my post with much cooler pics.

It looks kinda nice, but it still has scrawny thighs, the arms look nice, but that waist looks terrible. If it were a voyager it could probably improve on the classics mold and make it really nice.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Blasphemy!

Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess.

#becauseSimonFurman

So, was it more confusing or less confusing than various scale errors in the G1 cartoon? (should be the new standard of measure)

Sabrblade wrote:

I covet the Henkei Henkei version so much. The after market prices are ridiculous, though. *sighs* The Universe 2008 version will have to keep doing for now.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually hasn't mototmaster been reformed since swindle used the enigma on him to better look like his toy?

Yeah he has, but it would be cool just to at least have him look less like a racing truck and more like a his G1 self. i think a trailer or a deliver truck canopy could fill out Menasor's back in combined mode.

Menasor has too much weight, heavy limb-bots, and poorly designed legs, and you want to put more weight onto him

He is heavy but what do you expect he's not going to be a feather when you chuck 4 deluxes and legends class on Motormaster. If you transform his legs to one of the many fan modes that others have done you can get a pretty sturdy Menasor. Either that or make some custom feet or something like that.

Thadicon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually hasn't mototmaster been reformed since swindle used the enigma on him to better look like his toy?

Yeah he has, but it would be cool just to at least have him look less like a racing truck and more like a his G1 self. i think a trailer or a deliver truck canopy could fill out Menasor's back in combined mode.

Menasor has too much weight, heavy limb-bots, and poorly designed legs, and you want to put more weight onto him

He is heavy but what do you expect he's not going to be a feather when you chuck 4 deluxes and legends class on Motormaster. If you transform his legs to one of the many fan modes that others have done you can get a pretty sturdy Menasor. Either that or make some custom feet or something like that.

Never gotten mine to stand in any of the fan modes

But how do you think hotspot did it? because they hollowed him out, completely. everybody's bi#ching about hotspots hollowness, but thats how he supports the combined mode, I feel like I'm the only one who realizes that sometimes

Optimizzy wrote:Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess.

Not sure how since, if one follows it from beginning to end, it's a straight story from start to finish, unlike the cartoon's many self-contained one-off stories that had little-to-no bearing on the greater narrative and could be viewed in almost any random order.

Optimizzy wrote:The cartoon has its faults but I think I'm not the only one to say that the Movie was the pinnacle of G1 storytelling

That's a subject for another topic, but to which I'll only respond with this:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Blasphemy!

Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess.

#becauseSimonFurman

Simon's the one who made the original comics cool (to say nothing of his much more questionable post-G1 fiction, that is).

Hellscream9999 wrote:So, was it more confusing or less confusing than various scale errors in the G1 cartoon? (should be the new standard of measure)

I legitimately do not get these claims about the comics being confusing, much less the claims of their being more confusing that the cartoon. Unlike the show, virtually every issue continued the ongoing storyline of the series, adding something to it to keep it going even in the least important of issues. Stuff happened in those comics that mattered, and had lasting consequences as a result. It wasn't just trying to sell toys or tell silly little adventure-of-the-day stories, it instead was building a world full of intrigue and wonder, full of interesting characters (especially in the UK stories) and engaging events. A world where bad guys could win, where good guys could reflect on their losses, where characters could question their loyalties and purposes, where large-scale massacres of characters could come and go with lasting effects, where death itself was both commonplace and manipulable, where even the unlikeliest of persons could be the hero, or the villain, or the martyr.

For instance, by just the fifth issue do we get a point where all of the Autobots (minus two) "Are All Dead!":

Sabrblade wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess.

Not sure how since, if one follows it from beginning to end, it's a straight story from start to finish, unlike the cartoon's many self-contained one-off stories that had little-to-no bearing on the greater narrative and could be viewed in almost any random order.

Optimizzy wrote:The cartoon has its faults but I think I'm not the only one to say that the Movie was the pinnacle of G1 storytelling

That's a subject for another topic, but to which I'll only respond with this:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:Blasphemy!

Honestly, though, I found the comics to be a weird confusing mess.

#becauseSimonFurman

Simon's the one who made the original comics cool (to say nothing of his much more questionable post-G1 fiction, that is).

Hellscream9999 wrote:So, was it more confusing or less confusing than various scale errors in the G1 cartoon? (should be the new standard of measure)

I legitimately do not get these claims about the comics being confusing, much less the claims of their being more confusing that the cartoon. Unlike the show, virtually every issue continued the ongoing storyline of the series, adding something to it to keep it going even in the least important of issues. Stuff happened in those comics that mattered, and had lasting consequences as a result. It wasn't just trying to sell toys or tell silly little adventure-of-the-day stories, it instead was building a world full of intrigue and wonder, full of interesting characters (especially in the UK stories) and engaging events.

For instance, by just the fifth issue do we get a point where all of the Autobots (minus one) "Are All Dead!":

Hey man, I was just making a joke ; I've never read the comics, but the cartoon wasn't confusing - the various animations errors however... (hoist driving huffer)

Hellscream9999 wrote:Hey man, I was just making a joke ; I've never read the comics, but the cartoon wasn't confusing - the various animations errors however... (hoist driving huffer)

Just promoting how cool the comics are.

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Hey man, I was just making a joke ; I've never read the comics, but the cartoon wasn't confusing - the various animations errors however... (hoist driving huffer)

Just promoting how cool the comics are.

Yeah, bought a book a long time ago that had a synopsis and (humours/sarcastic) deconstruction of the plot of the G1, bw, bmach cartoons and all of the uk comics

I'm surprised by the non combiner bots being so good looking that I'm actually considering them! however, my priority is still the G1 teams. Also, I plan to combine Cyclonus, the inevitable Ratchet, Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker and Hound into a Lost Light themed combiner, hopefully, I'll find a wait to attach Tailgate to the torso!
and I hope some third party makes wings for that Wheeljack, he's surprisingly accurate to his original design! he jjust needs some paint on his fake hood's windows and black/dark grey arms!

MaverickPrime wrote:I'm surprised by the non combiner bots being so good looking that I'm actually considering them! however, my priority is still the G1 teams. Also, I plan to combine Cyclonus, the inevitable Ratchet, Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker and Hound into a Lost Light themed combiner, hopefully, I'll find a wait to attach Tailgate to the torso!
and I hope some third party makes wings for that Wheeljack, he's surprisingly accurate to his original design! he jjust needs some paint on his fake hood's windows and black/dark grey arms!

Hate to burst your bubble, but if victorion and computron are the last to waves next year, there will not be a ratchet figure, so unless you customize one, you won't get it. (could be cool, repaint ironhide and give him trailbreakers gun arm to put tools into) the wings on jack should be easy, as he has a 5mm hole on his back to attach them to.

Hellscream9999 wrote:Hate to burst your bubble, but if victorion and computron are the last to waves next year, there will not be a ratchet figure, so unless you customize one, you won't get it.

It's a shame since there was a Ratchet headsculpt seen in First Aid's instructions:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Hate to burst your bubble, but if victorion and computron are the last to waves next year, there will not be a ratchet figure, so unless you customize one, you won't get it.

It's a shame since there was a Ratchet headsculpt seen in First Aid's instructions:

Yeah, well, I still remember that buzzsaw that was supposed to come out for dotm, held off getting laserbeak cuz of the sweet new headsculpt we saw in the instructions

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually hasn't mototmaster been reformed since swindle used the enigma on him to better look like his toy?

Yeah he has, but it would be cool just to at least have him look less like a racing truck and more like a his G1 self. i think a trailer or a deliver truck canopy could fill out Menasor's back in combined mode.

Menasor has too much weight, heavy limb-bots, and poorly designed legs, and you want to put more weight onto him

He is heavy but what do you expect he's not going to be a feather when you chuck 4 deluxes and legends class on Motormaster. If you transform his legs to one of the many fan modes that others have done you can get a pretty sturdy Menasor. Either that or make some custom feet or something like that.

Never gotten mine to stand in any of the fan modes

But how do you think hotspot did it? because they hollowed him out, completely. everybody's bi#ching about hotspots hollowness, but thats how he supports the combined mode, I feel like I'm the only one who realizes that sometimes

Ha you obviously didn't try hard enough

I don't own a CW Hotspot so i cant really say much about it. I couldn't afford a 3rd party Menasor so I have done the best I can with what i got and I am happy with CW Menasor considering the price. There is a couple things I would change but they are things I can do myself with a little customizing.

Thadicon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually hasn't mototmaster been reformed since swindle used the enigma on him to better look like his toy?

Yeah he has, but it would be cool just to at least have him look less like a racing truck and more like a his G1 self. i think a trailer or a deliver truck canopy could fill out Menasor's back in combined mode.

Menasor has too much weight, heavy limb-bots, and poorly designed legs, and you want to put more weight onto him

He is heavy but what do you expect he's not going to be a feather when you chuck 4 deluxes and legends class on Motormaster. If you transform his legs to one of the many fan modes that others have done you can get a pretty sturdy Menasor. Either that or make some custom feet or something like that.

Never gotten mine to stand in any of the fan modes

But how do you think hotspot did it? because they hollowed him out, completely. everybody's bi#ching about hotspots hollowness, but thats how he supports the combined mode, I feel like I'm the only one who realizes that sometimes

Ha you obviously didn't try hard enough

I don't own a CW Hotspot so i cant really say much about it. I couldn't afford a 3rd party Menasor so I have done the best I can with what i got and I am happy with CW Menasor considering the price. There is a couple things I would change but they are things I can do myself with a little customizing.

Well, if that's what you want to think

Personally I much rather use them to make my galvatronus look snazzy

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Thadicon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually hasn't mototmaster been reformed since swindle used the enigma on him to better look like his toy?

Yeah he has, but it would be cool just to at least have him look less like a racing truck and more like a his G1 self. i think a trailer or a deliver truck canopy could fill out Menasor's back in combined mode.

Menasor has too much weight, heavy limb-bots, and poorly designed legs, and you want to put more weight onto him

He is heavy but what do you expect he's not going to be a feather when you chuck 4 deluxes and legends class on Motormaster. If you transform his legs to one of the many fan modes that others have done you can get a pretty sturdy Menasor. Either that or make some custom feet or something like that.

Never gotten mine to stand in any of the fan modes

But how do you think hotspot did it? because they hollowed him out, completely. everybody's bi#ching about hotspots hollowness, but thats how he supports the combined mode, I feel like I'm the only one who realizes that sometimes

Ha you obviously didn't try hard enough

I don't own a CW Hotspot so i cant really say much about it. I couldn't afford a 3rd party Menasor so I have done the best I can with what i got and I am happy with CW Menasor considering the price. There is a couple things I would change but they are things I can do myself with a little customizing.

Well, if that's what you want to think

Personally I much rather use them to make my galvatronus look snazzy

Yeah i kind of wish I picked up Galvatronus it does make that mold look really nice. But I got to put my funding into getting the Combaticons when they are released and any thing else inbetween I like.

Sabrblade wrote:For instance, by just the fifth issue do we get a point where all of the Autobots (minus two) "Are All Dead!":

Different strokes for different folks. This is actually a great reason why I don't think the G1 Marvel comics were all that great as a "story." Death was a constant, and never used well. It's almost a satire of how ridiculous of a trope death is in comic books, having no consequences or huge consequences depending on how the writer feels. Death was never used in a good way, just as shock value, or as a means to cap off a character's arc and start on some new ones when you can't thinking of any other way to wrap up a story. Death can be a fantastic storytelling device, but like most of Simon Furman's "Furmanisms," it's as clichéd a clichéd cliché as a cliché can cliché'edly be...cliché.

Those new autobots do look quite nice considering they are retools or repaints of retools.

ZeroWolf wrote:Those new autobots do look quite nice considering they are retools or repaints of retools.

I'm not that impressed, really. None but Suntreaker and Mirage seem to fit their original body types very well. I don't think I'll get any of these except Mirage (Damn good mold). Skylynx, however, is looking so extremely and totally good to me... I must! Must! Must! Have that guy on my shelves!

Hound looks wicked, Sunstreaker looks great in car mode, Smokescreen needs serious wardrobe help but I must have him, and Sky-Lynx steals the show. There, all you need to know.

Of the Autobot limbs only Mirage,Wheeljack and Hound interest me, since I don't have Deluxe versions of them

Out of these new 4 limbs, I may pick up hound to use as a G1 Bulkhead, otherwise I'm not really interested with them. To ME they serve no purpose.

ThunderThruster wrote:Out of these new 4 limbs, I may pick up hound to use as a G1 Bulkhead, otherwise I'm not really interested with them. To ME they serve no purpose.

I feel like it's a daft question but while have you bolded those words?

Plus, in terms of the combiner wars deluxes, I would of thought that a green rook would of worked as a g1 bulkhead

Blue Rook as Roller! Move or delete this comment, it's out there now and ignorance is the opposite of prepared.

That works quite well actually. Also a few tweaks to his colour scheme and a more evil looking head sculpt and you get a nice G1 Wreckage figure! In fact...A black repaint of Alpha Bravo to be Blackout, repaint brawl into his movie colour scheme and a more sinister repaint of cw prowl (again new head) into Barricade...and you have a set of live action movie Decepticons! Just need a core body though...Repaint motormaster as AoE Galvatron?

way too much blue on smokescreen. and where is the white? they really screwed up his deco. anything beast shelfwarming should tell you all you need to know about beast wars being inferior to g1. and the only tf things with good writing are the idw comics. mp hound is coming so maybe you can talk about how bad cw hound is in comparison.