Image Showing Size Comparison Between Studio Series Leader Class The Fallen and Jetfire

god he looks amazing

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:god he looks amazing

Agreed!

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:god he looks amazing

Agreed!

I am beyond excited for him!

In-hand pics of SS Hot Rod and Crosshairs from Sam Smith's Instagram! There's a few more as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay, I'm very impressed by the detail on The Fallen. I was gonna pass on him because I generally don't care for Bayverse, but that's a good looking figure.

And yes, Rumble is an insta-buy.

You know hasbro's done a figure right if it can make converts out of people

william-james88 wrote:

Wow, they really made him into a giant. I'm happier with calling him a Leader now, though I'm not sure if he needed be quite that big.



Emerje

This was probably the best stream Hasbro has done. yet. I was just expecting to see the rest of legacy wave 3 but then they showed studio series and just nailed every one of the bayverse figures. Also the hints saying that they know about the rest of TLK cast really gets me excited. Fingers crossed for the crew!

Crosshairs looks great. Love that they removed the kibble from his arms to give him a better front look.

Hotrod is perfect. I don't even know how to improve this design anymore.

The Fallen is another dream come true. I have been waiting for this since 2009. It is perfect in every way and I love that they actually made him huge like he should be! Even the altmode is awesome!

I preordered these 3 right when they went on amazon. Glad that they will be out in about 2-3 months too and not longer! Also, the designer interaction on Instagram is awesome. Love seeing the behind the scenes on the design.

LinaNui wrote:This was probably the best stream Hasbro has done. yet. I was just expecting to see the rest of legacy wave 3 but then they showed studio series and just nailed every one of the bayverse figures. Also the hints saying that they know about the rest of TLK cast really gets me excited. Fingers crossed for the crew!

Crosshairs looks great. Love that they removed the kibble from his arms to give him a better front look.

Hotrod is perfect. I don't even know how to improve this design anymore.

The Fallen is another dream come true. I have been waiting for this since 2009. It is perfect in every way and I love that they actually made him huge like he should be! Even the altmode is awesome!

I preordered these 3 right when they went on amazon. Glad that they will be out in about 2-3 months too and not longer! Also, the designer interaction on Instagram is awesome. Love seeing the behind the scenes on the design.

Streams have really gotten better in general, with better presentation and some interesting tidbits by the designers.The chat between the design team is great. They obviously have to spout some marketing crap from time to time because ultimately, these streams are adverts and they have to sell you the toys. But you can feel the passion in these guys when they talk, and the genuine enthusiasm when they talk about an aspect of the toy they feel particularly proud of.

Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

While not all fans like the Bayverse designs, it seemed pretty unanimous that the Hot Rod toy presented on tuesday's stream was a very impressive toy and one of the highlights of the reveals. It was also cool to know about Lamborghini having quite an input on the toy's looks. Sam Smith (not the singer) posted images of both that toy and the other 2022 wave 4 deluxe, Crosshairs, on his instagram. For Crosshairs, he demonstrates how dynamic the figure can be with how they handled the trench coat, and how it not connecting at the sides increases poseability. Enjoy!

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

Those are 2 stunning deluxes. I am so excited for them!

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Those are 2 stunning deluxes. I am so excited for them!

I will second that. And third, fourth, fifth, and sixth it. It's great to see how the front flaps of the "coat" work on Crosshairs...just fantastic work!

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

It's like the complete opposite of how things were handled by the Hasbro team of 2010-2013, who were just so secretive and overprotective of everything. At every one of those years' BotCons, that Hasbro team held panels for new revelations related to the Aligned continuity (TF: Prime, the WFC/FOC video games, or just the Aligned lore in general) and each time they were like "What we're about to show you requires that you turn off all your cameras and recording devices, and if we find out that you've taken any pictures or videos of this, you're history, and so is our showing you all anything like this ever again!"

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay, I'm very impressed by the detail on The Fallen. I was gonna pass on him because I generally don't care for Bayverse, but that's a good looking figure.

And yes, Rumble is an insta-buy.

You know hasbro's done a figure right if it can make converts out of people

Well I wouldn't call myself a convert, but I'm not against getting a great looking piece like that either. I don't have many SS figures, leaders mostly, but this will be a centerpiece for sure.

I was gonna wait for the MPM version, but that might be years away and this looks great anyway.

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

I also did enjoy hearing about how Inferno and Starscream do share that voyager budget and how a change in deco for inferno's ant eyes meant removing paint from Starscream's sword. It does confirm what people have been saying a long time that to understand how a figure comes out, you have to get a sense of the entire wave/class output.
As for the decision, it makes both figures more toy accurate. But at the same time, I woudn't have minded the original plan either. Still, cool to know they think a lot of stuff like that.

william-james88 wrote:

Rtron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Yeah, this stream was great and streams have gotten better. I like when they just let the designer talk. really loved the bit about interacting with the Lamborghini company and how big an input they had. You never hear about stuff like this.

Exactly, things like that, or the amount of people involved in making Megatron, or them just flat out saying that they couldn't factor Inferno's gun into the budget.

I also did enjoy hearing about how Inferno and Starscream do share that voyager budget and how a change in deco for inferno's ant eyes meant removing paint from Starscream's sword. It does confirm what people have been saying a long time that to understand how a figure comes out, you have to get a sense of the entire wave/class output.
As for the decision, it makes both figures more toy accurate. But at the same time, I woudn't have minded the original plan either. Still, cool to know they think a lot of stuff like that.

irnerno lacking the gun is sad, but not the end of the world. His original toy didn't come with it anyway (it came with weird pincers), but an upgrade kit surely will. On the upside, HE HAS MOUTH ARTICULATION! I don't remember seeing mouth articulation before, except maybe legacy metroplex.

PvP review for The Fallen is out, the size comparisons are very cool to see! Fallen is very big, seemingly about the same height as Grimlock (if not slightly shorter)

Forgot to include the link in the news submission, sorry about that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLUGe_XgdY&t=110s

Perfection

Yeah, that's a grand slam on the designers' part. Definite buy.

Wait hold up, what gun are we talking about on Inferno, the four-barreled one that doubles as its boosters, the one in all the promo pics?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Wait hold up, what gun are we talking about on Inferno, the four-barreled one that doubles as its boosters, the one in all the promo pics?

Pretty sure they mean this one.



They wanted to include a weapon but couldn't price it in so they went with the butt gun instead.

Emerje

Just scored core class Ratchet and Wheelie for $8.49 each.

Be alert - Ratchet's gun was loose in the box. If I hadn't been pulling it fresh out of the case myself it'd probably be lost to the winds of the toy aisle.

Dr. Caelus wrote:Just scored core class Ratchet and Wheelie for $8.49 each.

Be alert - Ratchet's gun was loose in the box. If I hadn't been pulling it fresh out of the case myself it'd probably be lost to the winds of the toy aisle.

Where from? And yeah, been having some issues myself with parts bouncing around in the box.

Emerje

Deeefinitely a better fallen then we got back in the day

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Wait hold up, what gun are we talking about on Inferno, the four-barreled one that doubles as its boosters, the one in all the promo pics?

The lack of the flamethrower from the show. The one with ant jaws on it that replaced the claw pincer from the toy.

Emerje wrote:

Dr. Caelus wrote:Just scored core class Ratchet and Wheelie for $8.49 each.

Be alert - Ratchet's gun was loose in the box. If I hadn't been pulling it fresh out of the case myself it'd probably be lost to the winds of the toy aisle.

Where from? And yeah, been having some issues myself with parts bouncing around in the box.

Emerje

Target. Sort of an important detail, I guess. Guess I got over excited there.

We thank EvasionModeBumblebee for sending more news regarding The Fallen our way. It seems quite a few fans got their hands on him already since we have content from China, Korea and now the UK. Below are photos from a blog post on a Korean website along with images from PrimevsPrime review. Those show The Fallen next to ROTF Megatron, the Jetfire/Prime combo and more. We also have in hand images of the alt mode, for those who find it important. Let us know what you think!

That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

I guess that's the type of "vehicle" where anything goes.

Also, for such a "big" leader, he's not that much bigger than the original voyager.
Modern Transformers sure got hit hard with the shrink ray...

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

And it looks better.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, for such a "big" leader, he's not that much bigger than the original voyager.
Modern Transformers sure got hit hard with the shrink ray...

In its defense, RotF The Fallen was pretty tall for a voyager back in the day as well. He towered over other voyagers like Starscream. So it might be throwing off things here.



But yeah, if you watch the video, the alt modes when he transforms them are almost exactly the same size. I might still pick this up, just for the more accurate...well, everything, but "big" is kind of relative compared to the massive toys of the earlier movie lines. I have deluxes from RotF that are bigger than today's voyagers.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

And it looks better.

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

First-Aid wrote:[

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

Definitely not.

The thickness of the ships are way different in the front. I guess SS Fallen will be kinda like the 2001 RiD Megatron and can transform into 12 "modes".

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:[

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

Definitely not.

The thickness of the ships are way different in the front. I guess SS Fallen will be kinda like the 2001 RiD Megatron and can transform into 12 "modes".

Kind of interesting how the Fallen transforms into a almost flying saucer shape.

Wait...kind of reminds me of the ships in Independence Day.

I actually think they just have it mistransformed. The struts that connect to the arms in bot mode end up in completely different places on the render, like something is supposed to be pulled apart in the back of the vehicle and then connected to the legs/engines that they didn't do.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:That's a different altmode configuration from the one Hasbro showed in their livestream.

I guess that's the type of "vehicle" where anything goes.

Also, for such a "big" leader, he's not that much bigger than the original voyager.
Modern Transformers sure got hit hard with the shrink ray...

Isn't he bigger than Jetfire from 2014, the first leader in the Gen line we ever had?

Spider5800 wrote:I actually think they just have it mistransformed. The struts that connect to the arms in bot mode end up in completely different places on the render, like something is supposed to be pulled apart in the back of the vehicle and then connected to the legs/engines that they didn't do.

The main thing I see is that the legs are bent more at the knee in the fan mode, bringing his heels together.

I honestly don't think it matters too much, mistransforming the alt mode that is. Not like he had one in the movie.

I pre-ordered all 3 SS Bayverse Leader & Deluxes revealed in the Fan Stream. I wasn't too keen on get another The Fallen before the reveal, but have since been a convert. The beefy bot mode is enough to warrant the purchase, but what REALLY piqued my interest is the alt mode... not the boxart/"official" version (which SUCKS) but the potential for other DIY alternate alt-modes. With the pincer-like "cockpit" nose and the many hands, legs & toe joints I imagine this figure is ripe to DIY a few bug-like modes. Play value FTW!

With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

Rodimus Prime wrote:With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

The BEST Batwing. Another mode to try with The Fallen. I remember YouTuber TonTon got a few videos with the many DIY SS Constructicons & Weaponizers alt modes he came up with (far better than his pre-release toy reviews like PvP) back in the day and those were fun to watch.

That Rumble looks awesome!! I hope they remold it into Frenzy soon; then between Studio Series and Siege we'll all have our options for the FIRRIB debate!

The Fallen, though, I'm...ambivalent. The robot mode is fantastic, and having both the staff and a removable face is so good, but I'm having a lot of trouble deciding which alt-mode between this one and the original actually looks as a more convincing vehicle.

Not gonna lie, a small part of me was hoping he'd turn into one of the sarcophagus from the tie-in comics. I know, not the most interesting alt-mode, but it'd be a nice little nod.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:[

Is it maybe the angle that makes it look that much different?

Definitely not.

The thickness of the ships are way different in the front. I guess SS Fallen will be kinda like the 2001 RiD Megatron and can transform into 12 "modes".

...great, now you've made me want a new version of RiD Megatron/Galvatron

Rodimus Prime wrote:With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

Holy Crossovers!....now I can vision the fallen redone with a Batman theme. Cape that attaches to secondary arm...all black...panelling to alter altmode

cloudballoon wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:With those pincers out front I'm kinda reminded of the Batwing from the 1989 Batman movie.

The BEST Batwing.

This comment kinda took me by surprise. Even as a devout Batman fan, I always assumed that this was the only one and any other we saw was just that same design interpreted for whatever medium and style it was presented in.

We have news that Transformers Studio Series 2022 Wave 3, or wave 17 as it is referenced by certain retailers, has been found at US retail. ApocalypseThruster found them at a Target in California. This wave has no repacks and of the 3 new toys, it is Bumblebee who ends up shortpacked. Here are the full contents:

2x Dark of the Moon Bumblebee
3x Revenge of the Fallen Sideways
3x Arcee

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

This sighting was originally posted here.

We also have reviews for Arcee and Sideways if you want to get to know more about those toys before picking them up.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Sideways is a bot of many hats. Herald of Unicron, glorified movie cameo, and Master Yogi to name a few. As far as I can tell this isn't a licensed car, which is ok as it allows for more wiggle room with the design and it shows. This is one of the few car transformers I didn't struggle with getting panels lined up and pegged into place. Robot mode is squat and lanky but once you have the legs bent properly they hold Sideways up well and it's pretty posable. If you've been looking for some of the more obscure characters from the live-action movies to get a figure, Sideways is a solid purchase.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:When Studio Series 86 Arcee was originally announced, many fans thought it would be a slight repaint of the current Earthrise mold that has been re-released in the Kingdom line. Well SS86 Arcee is a heavy retool of the older 30th-anniversary mold that results in the best G1 Arcee we've gotten to date, it's by no means perfect though. Transformation is a bit more involved than you would think, especially when you realize that having enough clearance in vehicle mode is a difference of millimeters. Car mode is the closest to the G1 animation I've seen, I'm very impressed with how the designers were able to pull it off. Unfortunately, there is still a sizable backpack to deal with in robot mode, but the joints are tight enough for now to handle it. There are plenty of better Arcee toys, but if you're looking for a pure G1 experience this is the best you can do.

I'm more interested in those prices, they were still $23 when I was at my local Target Friday.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:This comment kinda took me by surprise. Even as a devout Batman fan, I always assumed that this was the only one and any other we saw was just that same design interpreted for whatever medium and style it was presented in.

But isn't what you're saying a version of "All black car looks like the Ford Model T"? I know my twist of your statement is kinda extreme, but... I mean, to me, I can't see much similarity of the Batwing in "Dark Knight Rises" (Bale) vs. "Batman v Superman) (Affleck) vs. the 1989 Burton/Keaton version other than they're all black.

Same thing about the Batmobiles through the ages. Some changes are more evolutional (cosmetic tunings), but some are drasticall different in style, it's revolutional.

Or maybe you mean since you consider there's only one Batman (created by Kane in the 1939), all the Batmen in various medium (comics, TV, movie, video games, etc.) & eras (1939 to today) is basically the same one Batman (OK, we're talking Bruce Wayne here, not the other wannabes/stand-ins for simplicity of argument). So likewise there's just one Batwing as a vehicle just drawn differently? Hmmmm... interesting thought.

cloudballoon wrote:

william-james88 wrote:This comment kinda took me by surprise. Even as a devout Batman fan, I always assumed that this was the only one and any other we saw was just that same design interpreted for whatever medium and style it was presented in.

But isn't what you're saying a version of "All black car looks like the Ford Model T"? I know my twist of your statement is kinda extreme, but... I mean, to me, I can't see much similarity of the Batwing in "Dark Knight Rises" (Bale) vs. "Batman v Superman) (Affleck) vs. the 1989 Burton/Keaton version other than they're all black.

Same thing about the Batmobiles through the ages. Some changes are more evolutional (cosmetic tunings), but some are drasticall different in style, it's revolutional.

Or maybe you mean since you consider there's only one Batman (created by Kane in the 1939), all the Batmen in various medium (comics, TV, movie, video games, etc.) & eras (1939 to today) is basically the same one Batman (OK, we're talking Bruce Wayne here, not the other wannabes/stand-ins for simplicity of argument). So likewise there's just one Batwing as a vehicle just drawn differently? Hmmmm... interesting thought.

Oh, OK I see now, you lumped all those bat aircrafts as Batwings. I never considered them as such (which I realize may be innacurate to do so). They were just other Batplanes or Bat vehicles to me, with the Batwing being only what we saw in the Burton film and the animated series based on the same design/world.

With Bumblebee being SS 87, I think we finally have our answer, there is no actual SS86, t is the entire subline lumped under one number in the SS line.

@Sabrblade, looking at that it seems the numbers are wrong on the TFwiki page (looking at the more recent entries, Bumblebee Ironhide is SS84 for instance, ect)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Studio_Series