iGear IG-TF005 Updated Sharkticons

I'll take a dozen please!

Well, maybe just 3

Hell yeah!

These look quite good from the rendering, highly impressed with iGear as of late. I'd love to add a box of these guys to my collection, depending on the price I may add two.

So they DO transform into robots?

This shall be my first 3rd party purchase ever. I've always liked the Sharkticons for some reason, and this is a nice update from the original toy. I'm just hoping it won't be too much.

These are looking spot on, which leads to one problem. With all of these third party offerings looking more and more accurate, how long until Hasbro starts leagal action. I remember them saying at a Botcon one year that the add ons, like City Commander, Protector, and the Universe Bruticus upgrades, they don't mind so much because the consumer still has to buy their product for it to work. It's hard to say when the rest will be "crossing the line."

Axalon_Prime wrote:These are looking spot on, which leads to one problem. With all of these third party offerings looking more and more accurate, how long until Hasbro starts leagal action. I remember them saying at a Botcon one year that the add ons, like City Commander, Protector, and the Universe Bruticus upgrades, they don't mind so much because the consumer still has to buy their product for it to work. It's hard to say when the rest will be "crossing the line."

I see what you're saying, but I don't honestly know what legal action Has/Tak could take. This figure may look similar to look of something Has/Tak produced (in the past), but it is an entirely new mold designed by iGear. As long as they don't call it a Sharkicon, I don't see iGear having to worry about anything (granted this is also a company which produced KOs for some time, so I don't think they worry at all).

Axalon_Prime wrote:These are looking spot on, which leads to one problem. With all of these third party offerings looking more and more accurate, how long until Hasbro starts leagal action. I remember them saying at a Botcon one year that the add ons, like City Commander, Protector, and the Universe Bruticus upgrades, they don't mind so much because the consumer still has to buy their product for it to work. It's hard to say when the rest will be "crossing the line."

Just my two cents, I have the same sentiments as Hasbro about the accessories since the original figures need to be purchased to use them, leading to more sales for Hasbro, but when a 3rd party starts making figures, that's where it crosses said line. To me it doesn't matter if it is a direct copy of the original toy, or an updated version, quite like these are, its still an infringement of Hasbro's/ Takara's intellectual property.
I know someone is going to say that these 3rd party developers are too small and don't have the ability to produce the figures on a scale similar to Hasbro to cause a drain to said company's bottom line, but it really doesn't make a difference. Even if there is no new official version of a figure being released for the foreseeable future, and 3rd parties are only making these "for the fans", it is still considered a copyright infringement. Essentially, a knock off is a knock off is a knock off is a knock off, doesn't matter what name you give it, everyone knows what the figure is based on, and the prices they charge don't help their case either. I know its because of the small amount of figures they produce leads to higher prices to make them, but I still feel they are making quite a bit off of what they charge us, why else would there be so many newcomers starting to jump on the bandwagon?

and everybody knows the Universe 2.0 Sunstreaker/Sideswipe/Red Alert alt mode is a Lamborghini. Should Lambo go after Hasbro for violating their IP?

Didn't iGear release a Sharkticon before, a mini Gnaw?

This is a much better design - something new, not just a miniaturized knock off of an existing design.

Son of Primus wrote:I see what you're saying, but I don't honestly know what legal action Has/Tak could take. This figure may look similar to look of something Has/Tak produced (in the past), but it is an entirely new mold designed by iGear. As long as they don't call it a Sharkicon, I don't see iGear having to worry about anything (granted this is also a company which produced KOs for some time, so I don't think they worry at all).

I don't think the 3rd party market is quite has huge a threat as our enthusiasm likes to suggest. Compared to Hasbro's products, 3rd parties are still very limited in number and expensive in price. Most of them, the first run is all we get. Now what might annoy Hasbro is the sheer number of them popping up these days. Then there might be an accumulative effect that actually registers "money they aren't getting". But even still, most of that money is for things Hasbro wouldn't produce anyway out of not seeing the project worth that much time, expense, or energy.

El Duque wrote:and everybody knows the Universe 2.0 Sunstreaker/Sideswipe/Red Alert alt mode is a Lamborghini. Should Lambo go after Hasbro for violating their IP?

I'd be very surprised if HasTak didn't ask for Lamborghini's permission before going ahead w/ that trio.

If I'm not mistaken, HasTak wanted to make Classics Bumblebee's alt mode to be a VW New Beetle, but VW didn't give them permission, so HasTak went w/ some generic subcompact car design.

Joetx wrote:Didn't iGear release a Sharkticon before, a mini Gnaw?

This is a much better design - something new, not just a miniaturized knock off of an existing design.

I think they scrapped that project.

El Duque wrote:and everybody knows the Universe 2.0 Sunstreaker/Sideswipe/Red Alert alt mode is a Lamborghini. Should Lambo go after Hasbro for violating their IP?

I just knew someone was going to say this too. I guess after I make a rebuttal to what you said, you'll say something along the lines of "Kia's Forte has the same design as Honda's Civic, should Honda sue Kia?" This is just a never ending circle, so I won't bother to continue an argument that you are wanting to prove "how stupid I am and how right you are", which is the reason why these arguments exist in the first place, right? All I'll say is what I posted is how I feel on this subject, you have a differing opinion and that's cool, but if you want to actually debate and not flame, I'd recommend typing more than just a couple of arbitrary/ blanket sentences that you used to try to prove that everyone steals ideas from everyone.

I'm hoping that they will come in sets of 3's so I can buy at least 2 sets. Maaaybe 3 sets, depending on price.

Looks awesome, but I just know it'll be too expensive for me.

El Duque wrote:

Joetx wrote:Didn't iGear release a Sharkticon before, a mini Gnaw?

This is a much better design - something new, not just a miniaturized knock off of an existing design.

I think they scrapped that project.

Yeah, wasn't that going to happen in alternators too? A Volkswagon 2.0 If I recall. That was a cool mold. I wish hasbro wouldn't cancel so many good ideas. I mean, the Volkswagon thing is understandable, they didn't want their vehicle to be seen as a part of conflict, that I remember. With Alternators using REAL Vehicle's brand names for a change, the decision for bumblebee to be a VW Was the only one worth making, but due to Volkswagon's view on the situation, it never happened.
Now, as for the deluxe version, I don't see why hasbro couldn't just make a car that resembles a VW like those "Lamborghini" bots. No permission needed, they just LOOKED like lambos. Why not have a clasics bee that looks like a VW? Do they still need the permission?
*EDIT:
And to further this, Arent third parties Kinda doing the same thing here? They LOOK like hasbro Products, but they are not. Transformers LOOK like Lamborghini and VW in alt mode, but are not. Same thing. Really, it's just the fact that automotive is stronger than third party, so I guess hasbro listens to them and ignors third partys? Cars do the same thing. look at the Pontiac Solstice. For crying out loud, that body frame's been used like 5 times, probably more! Besides, If I were hasbro, Id'e be happy that Certain Figures are being made that I never had the time or money to make. Takes off what little stress Id'e have on that particular character.

Man these "can-diggin' grill-crackin' things" look bad ass!
I think 5 is a nice number for a set to be sold but 3 would be fine. Enough to surround Classics Hot Rod and Kup that is if they are near deluxe class...?

IAmThePeej wrote:

El Duque wrote:and everybody knows the Universe 2.0 Sunstreaker/Sideswipe/Red Alert alt mode is a Lamborghini. Should Lambo go after Hasbro for violating their IP?

I just knew someone was going to say this too. I guess after I make a rebuttal to what you said, you'll say something along the lines of "Kia's Forte has the same design as Honda's Civic, should Honda sue Kia?" This is just a never ending circle, so I won't bother to continue an argument that you are wanting to prove "how stupid I am and how right you are", which is the reason why these arguments exist in the first place, right? All I'll say is what I posted is how I feel on this subject, you have a differing opinion and that's cool, but if you want to actually debate and not flame, I'd recommend typing more than just a couple of arbitrary/ blanket sentences that you used to try to prove that everyone steals ideas from everyone.

Wow, you're reading quite a lot into my statement. I'm not trying to make you look stupid, I'm just pointing out that Hasbro does their fair share of IP theft. That's not an attempt to flame it's a fact. You have your opinion on these type of figures and I have mine, and I'm cool with that.

cant wait! they look great!

speaking of sharkticons, anyone have a spare RIGHT ARM of G1 gnaw they care to sell me? PM

El Duque wrote:

IAmThePeej wrote:...All I'll say is what I posted is how I feel on this subject, you have a differing opinion and that's cool, but if you want to actually debate and not flame, I'd recommend typing more than just a couple of arbitrary/ blanket sentences that you used to try to prove that everyone steals ideas from everyone.

Wow, you're reading quite a lot into my statement. I'm not trying to make you look stupid, I'm just pointing out that Hasbro does their fair share of IP theft. That's not an attempt to flame it's a fact. You have your opinion on these type of figures and I have mine, and I'm cool with that.

Really, I wasn't reading anything into it. I'm just annoyed when someone tries to flame me (I do consider your simple statement as an attempt to flame), so I just type what I feel will effectively kill the argument before it can start. Also, nice re-branding of the last part of my last post (see quoted part).

yea im gonna need like 20 of these guys. im gonna recreate the scene from the movie when the dinobots rescue hot rod and cup. haha

Captziltoid wrote:yea im gonna need like 20 of these guys. im gonna recreate the scene from the movie when the dinobots rescue hot rod and cup. haha

Seriously, since we're on the topic of knock offs, this place needs to have its own knock off of FaceBook's ability to "Like" things. Captziltoid's post is proof that its necessary. I seriously laughed just thinking about it.

i just can't get my wallet to open for knock offs,some of the work is impressive,i just dont like the fact they're unoffical.and the price range is not my cup of tea.

IAmThePeej wrote:

El Duque wrote:

IAmThePeej wrote:...All I'll say is what I posted is how I feel on this subject, you have a differing opinion and that's cool, but if you want to actually debate and not flame, I'd recommend typing more than just a couple of arbitrary/ blanket sentences that you used to try to prove that everyone steals ideas from everyone.

Wow, you're reading quite a lot into my statement. I'm not trying to make you look stupid, I'm just pointing out that Hasbro does their fair share of IP theft. That's not an attempt to flame it's a fact. You have your opinion on these type of figures and I have mine, and I'm cool with that.

Really, I wasn't reading anything into it. I'm just annoyed when someone tries to flame me (I do consider your simple statement as an attempt to flame), so I just type what I feel will effectively kill the argument before it can start. Also, nice re-branding of the last part of my last post (see quoted part).

careful, El Duque; he's going for the rare and dreaded Reverse Flame!

but seriously, not to stoke the coals, but the Lambo thing is a valid statement. You cant get pissed just because you wish a fact wasn't true. as ludicrous as you made it sound in your statement, yes everyone does steal ideas from everyone. and improves them. and re-interprets them.

This may be unrelated to you in particular Peej, but lately Hasbro purists start to sound more and more like the Catholic Church.

All Hail RoboPope!

GuyIncognito wrote:So they DO transform into robots?

The Sharkticons in this thread from igear do transform.


These Sharkticons from Dr. Wu do not


http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/drwu-w01-shark-clones/22642/

Astronopolis wrote:

IAmThePeej wrote:

El Duque wrote:

IAmThePeej wrote:...All I'll say is what I posted is how I feel on this subject, you have a differing opinion and that's cool, but if you want to actually debate and not flame, I'd recommend typing more than just a couple of arbitrary/ blanket sentences that you used to try to prove that everyone steals ideas from everyone.

Wow, you're reading quite a lot into my statement. I'm not trying to make you look stupid, I'm just pointing out that Hasbro does their fair share of IP theft. That's not an attempt to flame it's a fact. You have your opinion on these type of figures and I have mine, and I'm cool with that.

Really, I wasn't reading anything into it. I'm just annoyed when someone tries to flame me (I do consider your simple statement as an attempt to flame), so I just type what I feel will effectively kill the argument before it can start. Also, nice re-branding of the last part of my last post (see quoted part).

careful, El Duque; he's going for the rare and dreaded Reverse Flame!

but seriously, not to stoke the coals, but the Lambo thing is a valid statement. You cant get pissed just because you wish a fact wasn't true. as ludicrous as you made it sound in your statement, yes everyone does steal ideas from everyone. and improves them. and re-interprets them.

This may be unrelated to you in particular Peej, but lately Hasbro purists start to sound more and more like the Catholic Church.

All Hail RoboPope!

Wow, did I really pull off the reverse flame? What was the button combo for it? I need to write it down! Don't worry, I'm taking no offense to it in any way. I never said the Lambo thing wasn't a valid statement, it very much is. It is true Hasbro pretty much stole the Lambo design for their own profit. I'm not getting pissed or anything, I was purposely making it sound ludicrous to do exactly what I said, kill an argument. I'm also very tainted, not pure... And, I prefer RoboJesus over RoboPope.

Yeah, we're all just here to have fun. I actually prefer RoboBuddha............wait never mind that's just Leadfoot. The gut threw me off.

El Duque wrote:Yeah, we're all just here to have fun. I actually prefer RoboBuddha............wait never mind that's just Leadfoot. The gut threw me off.

Now I wish I had the ability to make a custom from Leadfoot (or out of any figure really, I have 'tarded hands..), because RoboBuddha sounds like a freaking fantastic idea. Also, if I said anything that sounds too harsh, I apologize, I really don't mean for it to sound *too* mean/rough/harsh/etc/whatever, just rough enough to where I like it.... I mean what?

OK, now back on topic after this whole tangent; If its just one figure, if its under $40 after shipping, I'd really consider getting this, if its a set of 3... $80 sounds about fair-ish, but I won't be able to get it before they're all sold out..

IAmThePeej wrote:

El Duque wrote:Yeah, we're all just here to have fun. I actually prefer RoboBuddha............wait never mind that's just Leadfoot. The gut threw me off.

Now I wish I had the ability to make a custom from Leadfoot (or out of any figure really, I have 'tarded hands..), because RoboBuddha sounds like a freaking fantastic idea. Also, if I said anything that sounds too harsh, I apologize, I really don't mean for it to sound *too* mean/rough/harsh/etc/whatever, just rough enough to where I like it.... I mean what?

No worries I don't take anything on here too seriously, like I said we're all just here to have fun.

I still felt it was necessary.

on Cybertron, Buddha is a Nascar fan. Git'r DUN!

and all their celebrities are Robokaballah or Scientologists.

anyway, yeah i want a sharkticon. its so hard to be enthusiastic about these though, because im paying out the rear for Hercules. Maybe ill get one in 2013.

Back on topic, I'll get a minimum of three of these. Love me some Sharkticons!

so much for non-transforming...
not that i'm complaining

I still wouldn't mind having a few of the little non-transforming ones to go on my MP shelf at Grimlock's feet. These will be my Classics Sharks.

I'll take three, thank you...........

im no sharkticon fan but ill buy this

If they go after the Third Party companies, the only people they would be pissing off are the fans, and why would they want to shoot themselves in the foot like that?

Blozor wrote:If they go after the Third Party companies, the only people they would be pissing off are the fans, and why would they want to shoot themselves in the foot like that?

Isn't that what Hasbro does to the fans all the time anyway?

That's what I'm talkin bout time, this adds life to the CHUG lines. Targetmasters, Sharkticons, & now we need more Headmasters! These 3rd party companies are steady picking up the slack whereas hasbro keep letting us down, its nothing for them to get this stuff made & put out which is so annoying, & for people who clown these 3rd party co. need to stop.

These are cool looking updates.

I want at least 2 of these guys. Love me some Sharkticons.

For the record, disagreeing with someone or making a point contrary to another is NOT flaming. In fact, it's pretty much the entire point of a message board...to express and share different thoughts and opinions. And if HasTak borrowing alt modes isn't good enough of an example, how about characters? Classics Jetfire, anyone? Looks like a '3rd Party' Valkyrie to me...

Anyhow, on topic. If these things are on the reasonable iGear pricing scale a la mini-bots or Kup head upgrade, hook me up, I'm in! If they lean toward their less reasonable pricing, though, I think I can live without these.

Mkall wrote:I'll take a dozen please!

Well, maybe just 3

a dozen of these babies would sound great with Generations Kup, a third party Spike and Fansproject Magnus

Those Igear Sharkticons look like gnarly metal rendering monstrosities!! I love em!! Very pointy and violent looking.

monstergrotusque wrote:Those Igear Sharkticons look like gnarly metal rendering monstrosities!! I love em!! Very pointy and violent looking.

not only that, they actually look like they should have been from the beginning, and not the podgy totting slaves that we were given. definitely a vast improvement, and the figure looks like it would walk up to you and steal your teeth just because it could!

"Sharkticons Execute them!"

Joetx wrote:

El Duque wrote:and everybody knows the Universe 2.0 Sunstreaker/Sideswipe/Red Alert alt mode is a Lamborghini. Should Lambo go after Hasbro for violating their IP?

I'd be very surprised if HasTak didn't ask for Lamborghini's permission before going ahead w/ that trio.

If I'm not mistaken, HasTak wanted to make Classics Bumblebee's alt mode to be a VW New Beetle, but VW didn't give them permission, so HasTak went w/ some generic subcompact car design.

Actually, that was Alternator BB that they tried that on. Classics BB was Hasbro going "Nyahnyah, we don't need you!" to VW.

Right...all the Alternators were actual licensed vehicles so they needed the car companies to approve to put their name and logo on the box and figures.

Someone in the know over at TFW is saying that these will be released a sets of three, each one having a different face, and each one being about scout-sized.

Dammit, now I may need 6...

Mkall wrote:Someone in the know over at TFW is saying that these will be released a sets of three, each one having a different face, and each one being about scout-sized.

I hope this is true. Scout size would pretty much seal the deal for two sets.