IDW Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #40 Retailer Incentive Cover

I really can't wait for them to pick up on the Lost Light story. Now that the DJD are after them, we need to see what happens, mainly what becomes of Brainstorm and how Megatron feels about issue 38. This needs to come out NOW. Me need more MTMTE

I hate that my comic shop doesn't get the 3rd variant cover.

Is Empire of Stone over? Please let Empire of Stone be over. We need Ratchet.

And Drift. Only Roberts can do Drift the right way.

legundir wrote:Is Empire of Stone over? Please let Empire of Stone be over. We need Ratchet.

And Drift. Only Roberts can do Drift the right way.

its over legundir

I'm a bit confused. Did Ratchet rejoin the Lost Light after Dark Cybertron or is that when he went to go look for Drift?

Jeen0808 wrote:I'm a bit confused. Did Ratchet rejoin the Lost Light after Dark Cybertron or is that when he went to go look for Drift?

He was on the Lost Light after Dark Cybertron.

From the regular cover of #40, my guess is that Ratchet leaves to find Drift in that issue, leading to Empire of Stone, which was running ahead of MTMTE.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I hate that my comic shop doesn't get the 3rd variant cover.

Could be worse, mine only gets the Sub covers lately. Somehow. I don't get how that works either.

Dear lord the comic shop market in Raleigh sucks. I can't even sub to stuff because you basically have to be into Marvel or DC to even meet their sub minimums, which excludes anything that could be remotely construed as "not an ongoing".

ScottyP wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I hate that my comic shop doesn't get the 3rd variant cover.

Could be worse, mine only gets the Sub covers lately. Somehow. I don't get how that works either.

H-how, do they do that? I thought it was something like for every 10 or so copies of a comic ordered, there are like 2 subscription covers? That's like saying " its always been me and dad; mom walked out on us before I was born".

ScottyP wrote:Dear lord the comic shop market in Raleigh sucks. I can't even sub to stuff because you basically have to be into Marvel or DC to even meet their sub minimums, which excludes anything that could be remotely construed as "not an ongoing".

That sounds like a non-legit practice, to be honest. A subscription minimum? Really?

mooncake623 wrote:Thanks to Brendan Cahill on Twitter we get a look at the art for the retailer incentive cover of Transformers More than Meets the Eye #40. The cover features art by Brendan Cahill and colors by Joana Lafuente. Check it out below!











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Great cover, the facial features look a bit too organic, but otherwise its great!

While I'm eager to learn the fate of brainstorm, I'm far more curious to learn hoe Megatron deals with the fallout.

Looking over things I don't want deathsarus (really dislike that name, Dezarus may be gibberish translation but it looks better at least) crew to die as there is another two full combiners there waiting in the wings! More fun to be had, especially if they ever introduce their autobot counterparts Landcross and Road Caeser

IDW digital assistant Mariel Romero has uploaded three new screenshots to iTunes, taken from the opening pages of Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #40. Check them out in full size mirrored below, and find out what the Lost Light has been up to since #38!

Having saved the universe—kind of—the Lost Light crew deal with the fallout in a manner befitting the gravity of the situation. Kind of.

I like the idea that the whole reason the "empire of stone" arc happened is because Ratchet can't say goodbye.

I see ya creepin', Bombshell!

Incidentally, I hope they don't mean to imply that DELPHI was Prowl's fault. It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian bastard that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Shuttershock wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Well it's not because he isn't sorry, it's because for him, the ends justify the means, no matter the cost. I said this before, even though prowl says he wants justice, he's like Odo in that his actual predisposition for order.

Wow so I'm going to go and guess that the reason Pharma is a little cray cray is because Prowl sent him to Delphi?


Because looking at all flashbacks with Pharma around before Delphi he seemed like he was a cool dude.


Not that Prowl did it on purpose or knew anything was going to happen but it really seems that a lot of things that go wrong are Prowl's fault regardless if he did it on purpose or inadvertently.






Doesn't change the fact that Whirl is still above him when it comes to screwing things up.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Well it's not because he isn't sorry, it's because for him, the ends justify the means, no matter the cost. I said this before, even though prowl says he wants justice, he's like Odo in that his actual predisposition for order.

I'll throw this in, as I feel it's relevant:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m78uk ... 1_1280.jpg

Maybe Prowl, who can be a *bit* controlling in his ways, is in fact everyone's favourite scapegoat.
I mean, we did see him in Shadowplay as an arrogant but still new to the game detective - and he does have a lot of Batman vibes going on in some of his characterisations (thinking of the Justice League: Doom/Tower of Babel story, here). But it may not be entirely, always, really his fault.

That said, he's probably a bigger evil than Starscream in Combiner Wars.

Va'al wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Well it's not because he isn't sorry, it's because for him, the ends justify the means, no matter the cost. I said this before, even though prowl says he wants justice, he's like Odo in that his actual predisposition for order.

I'll throw this in, as I feel it's relevant:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m78uk ... 1_1280.jpg

Maybe Prowl, who can be a *bit* controlling in his ways, is in fact everyone's favourite scapegoat.
I mean, we did see him in Shadowplay as an arrogant but still new to the game detective - and he does have a lot of Batman vibes going on in some of his characterisations (thinking of the Justice League: Doom/Tower of Babel story, here). But it may not be entirely, always, really his fault.

That said, he's probably a bigger evil than Starscream in Combiner Wars.

I shudder for the day when someone says, "yeah, the DJD are pretty awful, but you know who's a REAL slag-head? Prowl!"

It's probably going to be dealing with First Aid since we know he's leaving to go back to Cybertron with mirage and the other protectobots. Those two haven't made peace with what happened in 'remain in light'

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Wow so I'm going to go and guess that the reason Pharma is a little cray cray is because Prowl sent him to Delphi?


Because looking at all flashbacks with Pharma around before Delphi he seemed like he was a cool dude.


Not that Prowl did it on purpose or knew anything was going to happen but it really seems that a lot of things that go wrong are Prowl's fault regardless if he did it on purpose or inadvertently.






Doesn't change the fact that Whirl is still above him when it comes to screwing things up.

Prowl's just the guy calling the shots. delphi happened, because it was in the middle of a REALLY BAD spot and Pharma was desperate, so he took the wrong way out.

Flashwave wrote:
Prowl's just the guy calling the shots. delphi happened, because it was in the middle of a REALLY BAD spot and Pharma was desperate, so he took the wrong way out.

I know that much but if Pharma was not ordered to go to Delphi its possible he would have not gone mad.




As much as a jerk Pharma is I really do feel sympathy for him a lot more then other characters such as Rodimus or Chromedome and I don't know why but I care about Pharma as a character and I hope he gets done with justice in any future appearances regardless if its a flashback or in the present.






Maybe I'm just as crazy as Pharma and I'm just blabbering nonsense.

Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

MrBlack wrote:Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

"Looks at preview again"






All of Tailgate's watching Back to the Future films has come to this.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

MrBlack wrote:Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

"Looks at preview again"






All of Tailgate's watching Back to the Future films has come to this.

Could have been worse. Tailgate could have chosen to have a replica of the black "Pit Bull" hoverboard instead of going with the pink.

Sagitta wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

MrBlack wrote:Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

"Looks at preview again"






All of Tailgate's watching Back to the Future films has come to this.

Could have been worse. Tailgate could have chosen to have a replica of the black "Pit Bull" hoverboard instead of going with the pink.

Yet sadly, he could not avoid looking like a bojo.

Well, at least somebody got a hoverboard in 2015...

I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Is that a cerebo-shell that I spy in the leaves.... in that box where Ratchet leaves Hunter on the sidewalk?

pie-man wrote:Is that a cerebo-shell that I spy in the leaves.... in that box where Ratchet leaves Hunter on the sidewalk?

Yup. And so ended the promising character arc of Hunter O'Nion.

Actually I thought it was mcathy who ended his character

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I thought it was mcathy who ended his character

It was, but it was Bombshell who did it in that story.

If I had to guess, this scene takes place at the end of Maximum Dinobots.

Shuttershock wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I thought it was mcathy who ended his character

It was, but it was Bombshell who did it in that story.

If I had to guess, this scene takes place at the end of Maximum Dinobots.

McCarthy ended a bunch of promising storylines....but perhaps then we wouldn't have MTMTE today?

That is true, though story wise there's not much lingering from that story arc. We may of still got to thus point but we'll never know unless someone creates a window to alternate realities or the Holly hop drive

Hmm... three unsuccessful attempts...

Well, we know that Pharma's life spiraled into the dark side after this last meeting with Ratchet.

And we know that Hunter's life got seriously messed up after this last meeting with Ratchet.

So we can PROBABLY guess that Roller's life, post meeting with Ratchet, is not sunshine and roses. I mean, we already KNOW that since Roller's not running around in current stories (unless he's wearing a Decepticon mask ) but it's still an interesting theme going on here.

It makes me worried for whoever's going to be Ratchet's FOURTH unsuccessful attempt...

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

Implode?

Superginraix wrote:Hmm... three unsuccessful attempts...

..So we can PROBABLY guess that Roller's life, post meeting with Ratchet, is not sunshine and roses. I mean, we already KNOW that since Roller's not running around in current stories (unless he's wearing a Decepticon mask )...

Least with Roller Ratchet actually stated something by way of a small farewell of sorts - as much as "Thanks for coming" can be termed as one. Or at least an acknowledgement. Neither Pharma or Hunter had received that much.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

It'd be like the Total Perspective Vortex from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

It'd be like the Total Perspective Vortex from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

It'd be like the Total Perspective Vortex from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

I kinda reject the idea of Prowl being some big bad dude. When prowl does stuff it seems like he's callous and all, but he's usually trying to do what's right. When he wasn't under bombshells guidance or the constructions he seemed to have good motivations. So he's a planner. i don't think it's a good idea to "one dementionalize" his character into "Machiavellian antagonist". (And has anyone read The Prince? You have to know the context to appreciate it. )

Optimizzy wrote:I kinda reject the idea of Prowl being some big bad dude. When prowl does stuff it seems like he's callous and all, but he's usually trying to do what's right. When he wasn't under bombshells guidance or the constructions he seemed to have good motivations. So he's a planner. i don't think it's a good idea to "one dementionalize" his character into "Machiavellian antagonist". (And has anyone read The Prince? You have to know the context to appreciate it. )

Agreed, overall.
(idw-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-40-thread-t103877.php#p1676169)

And as an addition to the Prince point, context - and sequel, intended use and reception - are very much key here.

I don't know, I still like the idea of prowl being a villain to just show what happens when the chaos/order balance tips to the other extreme. After all doing what's good isn't necessarily the same as doing what's right.

So...yeah I'm actually wanting an arc or two against prowl to explore that and to allow him to see the error of going that far himself.